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[h=1]நான்கு நிலைகள்[/h]
“உறங்குவது போலும் சாக்காடு”, நாம் அறிவோம்.
உறங்கும் போது, நாம் ஆன்மாவில் ஒடுங்குவோம்.
இடம், பொருள், ஏவல், காலம் எல்லாமே,
இடமில்லாது அப்போது மறைந்து போகுமே!

கனவுலகு புகுந்ததும், நாம் கடவுள் ஆகின்றோம்!
நினைத்தைப் படைக்கும், திறன் அடைகின்றோம்!
“வானம்!”, என்றவுடன் நீல வானம் வந்திடும்!
“வனம்!” என்றவுடன் பச்சை வனம் உருவாகிடும்!

ஆதவன், சந்திரன், தாரகைகள் எல்லாம்,
பேதமில்லாமல் ஓடி வரும், அழைத்ததும்!
எந்தப் பொருளும், இடமும், காலமும்,
எந்த விலங்கும், மனிதனும், பறவையும்,

நினைத்த நொடியில் உருவாகிடுவர்;
நினைத்த போது மறைந்து செல்லுவர்!
நினைத்த படியே பேசிப் பழகுவர்;
நினைத்த செயல்களையே புரிவர்.

நம் சின்ன அறிவும், சிறிய அனுபவமும்,
நம் சின்னத் திறனும், சிறிய சக்தியும்,
சொன்னபடி உருவாகும் ஒரு பெரும்
மன்னுலகம்; ஒரு பெரும் மாய உலகம்!

கண்களை விழித்தால், காணவே காணோம்,
கற்பனையில் உருவான அந்த மாய உலகம்!
கனவைத் தாண்டினால், கனவு பொய் ஆகும்.
நனவு நிலையில், கனவுகள் பொய் ஆகும்.

நனவைத் தாண்டினால்… என்ன ஆகும்?
நனவைத் தாண்டினால், நனவும் பொய் ஆகும்!
நிறைந்த அறிவும், அளவில்லா அனுபவமும்,
குறைவில்லாத் திறனும், குவிந்த ஞானமும்,

செறிந்த அந்த உயரிய இறைவனின்,
சிறந்த கற்பனையே நம் நனவுலகம்!
கனவுலகு நம் கற்பனையின் படைப்பு,
நனவுலகு அவன் கற்பனையின் படைப்பு !

கனவைத் தாண்டினால், கனவு மறைவதுபோல்,
நனவைத் தாண்டினால், இவ்வுலகே மறையும்!
எங்கும் நிறைந்த இறைவனே இருப்பான்.
எல்லாப் பொருட்களும் அவனாக இருக்கும்!

நாம, ரூப, பேதம் இன்றி எல்லாம் அவனே.
நாம் காண்பதெல்லாம் எங்கும் பிரம்மமே.
இந்த அற்புத நிலையே துரியம் ஆகும்.
இந்த நிலை அடைந்தால் துயரம் போகும்!

உறக்கம், கனவு, நனவு, உறக்கம் என்றே,
கிறங்குகின்றோம் நாம் வாழ் நாளெல்லாம்;
உறக்கத்தையும், கனவையும் கடப்பது போல் ,
நனவையும் கடந்து, துரியத்தை அடைந்தால் ….

இல்லை பயங்கள் , இல்லை பாவங்கள் ,
இல்லை மொழிகள், இல்லை செயல்கள் ,
இல்லை பேதங்கள், இல்லை தொல்லைகள்
இன்பமே எங்குமே ! இன்பமே என்றுமே !

வாழ்க வளமுடன்,
 விசாலாக்ஷி ரமணி.
 
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THE FOUR STATES OF ATMAN.

Man spends his entire life in one of these three states of consciousness viz, Jagratha Avastha, Swapna Avastha and Sushupthi Avastha.

Sleep is similar to death in many respects. When we sleep we wind up and reside in our Atman. We lose contact with the external physical world of our existence. We stop relating with Time, Place and the Objects in the ‘real world’ where we live!

When we enter the world of dreams, we become Gods. We can create anything and everything we wish to. Think of the sky and the blue sky appears. Think of a forest and immediately a thick green forest appears.

The Sun, The Moon, The stars and everything else besides, is at our beck and call. Any location, any time or day, any object or man, any animal or bird can be created – just by thinking about it.

They appear in a fraction of a second and disappear in another fraction of the second when they are not needed anymore. They talk, walk and behave exactly as we wish them to do.

We with out limited power, limited knowledge and limited experience are able to create a world of our own – as if by Magic. The moment we come out of the dream, the entire creation vanishes! The dream which appeared to satyam when we were asleep turns out to be a mithya when we come out of it.

So when we transcendent the swapna lokam, it becomes a mithya.
What will happen if we are able to transcendent the physical world of existence? If we are able to transcendent the physical world and reach the higher state of consciousness, this world will disappear just as our dream world did.

The world we live in is the creation of God – created using His unlimited Knowledge, Power and experience.

The dream world was our creation. The physical world is his creation. When we learn to transcendent the physical world, everything will vanish and only the Absolute Reality will be seen everywhere.

There won’t be any difference due to Naama roopa bedham. This is the fourth state of consciousness of Atman, called the Thureeyam.

If we reach this state of consciousness, we will be liberated from all bond ages, all misunderstandings, all delusions and all confusion. There will be Perfect Peace, Perfect Bliss and Perfect Knowledge.
 
[h=1]ஆகாசம், ஆத்மா[/h] ஆகாசம் பரவியுள்ளது அண்டங்களிலெல்லாம்!
ஆத்மா விரவியுள்ளது உடல்களிலெல்லாம்!

உடலின் உள்ளேயும் உள்ளது ஒரு ஆகாசம்!
உடலில் உள்ளது அற்புத சிதாகாசம் ஆகும்!

ஆகாசமும், ஆத்மாவும் ஒப்பானவை;
ஆராய்ந்து பார்த்திட்டால் அற்புதமே!

எங்கும் நிறைந்தவை இவை இரண்டுமே;
என்றும் இருப்பவை இவை இரண்டுமே.

என்றும் அழியாதவை இவை இரண்டுமே;
என்றும் மாறாதவை இவை இரண்டுமே.

நிர்மலமானவை இவை இரண்டுமே;
நிறங்கள் இல்லாதவை இவை இரண்டுமே;

எதிலும் ஒட்டாதவை இவை இரண்டுமே;
எதுவும் ஒட்டாது இவை இரண்டிலுமே.

புறமும், அகமும் எல்லாவற்றிலும்,
நிறைந்திருப்பவை இவை இரண்டுமே.

நுண்ணியவை இவை இரண்டுமே;
நுகர முடியதவை இவை இரண்டுமே.

பார்க்க, கேட்க, முகர, எடுக்க,
சுவைக்க முடியாது இரண்டையுமே.

ஆகாசம் இன்றி அண்டங்களே இல்லை;
ஆத்மா இன்றி உயிரினங்களே இல்லை.

வாழ்க வளமுடன்,
 விசாலாக்ஷி ரமணி.
 
Akasham and Atman.


Akasham or vacant space exists throughout the Universe.
Atman exists throughout the creations.

Even inside a human body Akasham exists.
The one inside the head is called Chitaakaasham.

Akasaham and Atman are so similar in their properties that
we will be wonder struck when we just compare them.

Both Akasham and Atman prevail everywhere.
Both of them are immutable and imperishable.

Neither of them can be destroyed.
Neither of them can be transformed.

Both of them are in their pure subtle forms.
Both of them are completely colorless.

Both of them can not cling on to anything else.
Nothing else can cling on to them either.

Both of them pervade inside and outside every object.
Both of them are so minute that they defy perception through any sense organs.

Neither of them can be seen, heard, smelled, tasted or felt.
Neither of them can be known by any regular methods of knowledge.

Without space, there is no Universe.
Without Atman, there is no creation.
 
Mr. Nacchi post #41, 42
and Mr. Raju post #45
These posts are refreshingly honest and counter point to the contentment philosophy.

I do admit that we must be happy with what we got. Bur majority of people it is still not there, they have to get things before their apetite satiates.
So I guess it is an age issue, or may be maturity, that contentment is reached. Till that time we need to strive our best to fulfill our worldly desires.
 
Dear Zebra,

You may not be subscribing to advaita view point
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This is not relevant to the discussion in hand.

When "Atman" is viewed as an object, it is explained so from the view point of the "experiencer" - the "jeevan" which identifies itself, because of ajnaanam with the body, mind etc. though its natural identification should be with the brahman itself.
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So there is no difference between atman and brahman? Or is it that the brahman suffers from certain deficiencies and that is why the its mode the Atman sees differently?

It is just like us telling that "Chennai has come" when our train reaches Chennai station, although Chennai has not moved an inch, but it is we who are the one coming closer towards the Chennai station. Human being always talk from the self perspective.
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This is just playing with words. No one would ever mean that Chennai came walking,running or crawling to him when the train reached the station. It is just a usage and has no more significance to be quoted here.

Cheers.
 
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In US english, we would say we are approaching chennai, or we will say we have landed in chennai airport.
So like Mr. Raju said it is the usage of the language.
 
Dear Sri Suraju,

suraju06 said:
Dear Zebra,



This is not relevant to the discussion in hand.
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On the contrary very essential to the discussion on hand. The premise of the known three strands of vedanta differ on this issue.


So there is no difference between atman and brahman? Or is it that the brahman suffers from certain deficiencies and that is why the its mode the Atman sees differently?
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In advaita atman and brahman are identical. The brahman does not suffer from any deficiencies.


This is just playing with words. No one would ever mean that Chennai came walking,running or crawling to him when the train reached the station. It is just a usage and has no more significance to be quoted here.
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Not at all. On the contrary this was a play on the words:
suraju06 said:
If Atman is the object to which we can get closest who is the subject who gets closest and who is the subject who speaks about this getting closest? And who enjoys this "pure bliss" the Atman or the "we"?
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When atman cannot be an object as per advaita, asking who is subject and who is an object.
 
Christianity mentions Contentment as a Spiritual goal. Not Hinduism.

Contentment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Does Contentment help in achieving one's Spiritual Goal? Unlike the Abrahamic religions which have a narrow goal of Heaven, Hinduism aims at overcoming the effects of purva Jenma Karma and attaining Moksha/Liberation/Merging with GOD.

Here one has to strive throughout life and not be contented with what he/she has achieved.

A Bhaktha is never contented. He seeks GOD and he will attain contentment only when he reaches his goal.

Any ideas about this?
 
Nacchinarkiniyan said:
This Wikipedia Article doe not mention Contentment In Hinduism.

Contentment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In Yoga it is a Niyama.

Sir

Contentment is defined as “the state of being contented; satisfaction; ease of mind.”
Here is a Story, please read:

When Buddha returned from the forest after attaining enlightenment, a King who was a friend of Buddha's father, who was a king too, tried to entice Buddha to accepting the throne as the new king. He said, 'I have all that any man could desire. Wealth, women, wine, and power." Buddha smiled gently and softly asked, "Your majesty, do you have peace?"


The king could not find peace. His minister's solution was to find a man in peace and wear his shirt and he would find peace. They found a sadhu (hermit) under a tree - carefree and whistling. The king asked how he can remain in peace, to which the saint replied, "Because I know the One who provides for the tiniest of creatures will not neglect me. I rest in that faith with joy." I desire nothing because I have the sky as my roof, the world as a home, animals and birds as friends. Who is richer than me? The king found his man of peace and asked for the saint's shirt. "Your majesty, I have no shirt."
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Every jiva sleeps.

It enjoys pure bliss and get rejuvenated to face

the next day's tasks involved in successful existence -

whether it is an animal/ bird/ reptile or human.

If sleep were not such a satisfying experience

why would anyone waste 33% to 50% of their dear lives in sleep?

The two-in-one and three in one philosophy should be much easier

to understand for people who have personally experienced it in real life! :)
 
P.J. said:
Nacchinarkiniyan said:
This Wikipedia Article doe not mention Contentment In Hinduism.

Contentment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In Yoga it is a Niyama.

Sir

Contentment is defined as “the state of being contented; satisfaction; ease of mind.”
Here is a Story, please read:

When Buddha returned from the forest after attaining enlightenment, a King who was a friend of Buddha's father, who was a king too, tried to entice Buddha to accepting the throne as the new king. He said, 'I have all that any man could desire. Wealth, women, wine, and power." Buddha smiled gently and softly asked, "Your majesty, do you have peace?"


The king could not find peace. His minister's solution was to find a man in peace and wear his shirt and he would find peace. They found a sadhu (hermit) under a tree - carefree and whistling. The king asked how he can remain in peace, to which the saint replied, "Because I know the One who provides for the tiniest of creatures will not neglect me. I rest in that faith with joy." I desire nothing because I have the sky as my roof, the world as a home, animals and birds as friends. Who is richer than me? The king found his man of peace and asked for the saint's shirt. "Your majesty, I have no shirt."
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Thank You. P.J

Your story has only confirmed what I have been saying all along.

Contentment as a Virtue is not extolled In Hinduism.
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Visalakshi Ramani said:
back dear sir!
I am enthralled to see you back in the forum and a huge weight has been
lifted off my conscience since I had a doubt that I had done something-
unintentionally though - which lead to your disappearance from the forum.
Oh boy! I am relieved today. This is the best gift you could have given me on my 44th wedding day sir. Thank you very much!
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tbs said:
hi nachi sir,
MUDAR KAN VANAKKAM.....உங்களுக்கு முதற்கண் வணக்கம்.....மகாகவியின் முத்தான வார்த்தைகள்......british mutiny
started by brahmin soldier....MANGAL PANDEY......
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Thank You, Smt. V.R and TBS.
 
suraju06 said:
These questions came to my mind:

1)Why do we make a virtue of contentment? Is it because we are afraid of the failures and the accompanying pain? Or is it because we feel inadequate to the task/situation and it is difficult to accept? Why not have a healthy desire for everything and try to achieve them? If we fail in achieving some of the goals let us accept that it is in the very scheme of things nurse our wounds and move on.

2)People who were apparently contented might have anxieties deep inside which they did not want to allow to take over. So the contentment was a facade after all.

3)Continuous failure and pain some times have a numbing effect and others may take it for contentment.

4)Brahmins were contented because they were not in active pursuit of goals which involved conflict, struggle,combat or risk. They were after spiritual goals which involved a struggle of a different sort. Their worldly needs wee taken care of by an economy which was a barter economy. Just 4 bananas a day are enough for a human being to live in this world with adequate energy to carry on life and its demands. The barter economy took care of that need very well. But the civilization moved from that to monetised economy. There was no way of monetising the services and the knowledge that brahmins possessed and offered. So whatever monetary/physical assets they had slowly melted and evaporated in course of time due to the family needs and they woke up to the reality late in the day. They started acquiring knowledge, skill etc the earnings from which can be monetised and thus they became a participant of the rat race.

5)Brahmins could have remained whatever they were earlier but the environment completely changed and that made them nay compelled them to change and adapt.They have partly won and partly lost in that process-won an enviable place in the new scheme of things and lost the old world charm/beauty/contentment/peace or what you call it(I dont get an apt word to express it here).

People may differ with my assessment of the situation. I am only eager to know different views.

Cheers.
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Dear Shri Raju,

I would like to differ from your point of view regarding contentment. Firstly contentment cannot be forced. So the argument that we choose to be content for the fear of failure in achieving our objectives does not hold water. Regarding being inadequate for the task is also imo not a valid point because in any contentment that is enduring and in that sense true means that we do not feel the need for all those we shun. So the question of being adequate to the task is irrelevant. A subtle point is if we have the mental strength to shun our desires we definitely would possess the capability to acquire them. So even if the question of inadequacy were relevant I think we wouldn't be inadequate to the task.

So attaining enduring contentment is certainly not easy given the pressures and temptations around us and indeed anyone who accomplishes that should be given the due respect. When I talk of an enduring contentment I am talking of something that is transcendental in nature.
 
Dear Zebra,

You said "You may not be subscribing to advaita view point"

I said,"This is not relevant to the discussion in hand".

You said in reply,"On the contrary very essential to the discussion on hand".

Now I do not understand how Mr. Raju not subscribing to Advaita can be so important for the discussion in hand. Will you please explain. I am discussing this matter not as an advaitin, non-advitin or an atheist. I am just trying to explore. So I still maintain that my not subscribing to or subscribing to the advaita is not relevant at all here. I may be an advaitin, dwaitin or even a christian who believes in soul-body integration. Does it really matter?


 
suraju06 said:
Dear Zebra,

You said "You may not be subscribing to advaita view point"

I said,"This is not relevant to the discussion in hand".

You said in reply,"On the contrary very essential to the discussion on hand".

Now I do not understand how Mr. Raju not subscribing to Advaita can be so important for the discussion in hand. Will you please explain. I am discussing this matter not as an advaitin, non-advitin or an atheist. I am just trying to explore. So I still maintain that my not subscribing to or subscribing to the advaita is not relevant at all here. I may be an advaitin, dwaitin or even a christian who believes in soul-body integration. Does it really matter?
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Dear Suraju,

You appear to be stretching this post just for argument sake. If your post was from a christian, non-vedantic or atheist point of view, please explain what you were exploring by your post.

Smt. VR said in the original post, and I quote:

"Deep sleep is the closest we can get to Atman and pure bliss! "

Now please point out to the christian beliefs or atheistic beliefs or non-beliefs which connect atman, deep sleep and pure bliss.
 
In browsing the thread I thought I will share a few thoughts.

1. Truth is not subject to what one subscribes to (Advita vs Dvita etc) if one wants to truly commit to understanding reality. So if one is not exposed to any such ideas then it does not matter for the purposes of learning.
2. If one has wrong notion as evidenced by contradictions with what is known (e.g., certain theologies) then attempt to understand reality will not work
3. The Mahavakya Tat Tvam Asi is unconditional - no one has to do anything to get close to Atma or experience anything (like bliss). Removal of ignorance is what is taught. Sleep is a state of ignorance and could be blissful
4. In the modern days we have turned many optional items into necessities. About 15 to 17 years ago or so Internet based services was non existing in many parts of the world including in India. Today people cannot live without email and some are even addicted to this forum. In that sense there is less happiness since there are more items to depend on for our sense of survival.
5. The act of seeking happiness is the issue since it means 'it is out there'
 
Happiness is definitely NOT out there.

It is right inside us since we are
Sat, Chit and Anandam in our swaroopam.

But the outside world-a product of illusion-
hides our swaroopam and makes us seek happiness.

And we are always heading outside seeking happiness.

That is the main problem that contributes to our failure
to find ever lasting happiness in any worldly object.

Sleep is certainly bliss in ignorance-
which is easy to attain for any jiva.

Jivan mukthi is the bliss WITHOUT SLEEP
AND THE ASSOCIATED IGNORANCE
ie bliss when we are wide awake and alert.

This is what every human must aim to feel
but the path is far from smooth, rosy and easy.

Is there any one in the forum who can cross his/her heart
and swear that he/she has found the means of residing
in his/her Atman and enjoy the perfect and ever lasting bliss
while fully awake???

IF any one CAN say YES, then certainly he/ she won't be
wasting his/her precious time in trifles in this forum -
instead of enjoying the hard-found-bliss to the fullest extent!!!
 
Smt. VR said in the original post, and I quote: "Deep sleep is the closest we can get to Atman and pure bliss! " I still maintain my stand. While awake we run after the world and worldly things. When we sleep we get detached completely from the external world; go into ourselves and reside in our Atman - enjoying the bliss (steeped in ignorance.) That is what rejuvenates us while we sleep. We get everything from Atman and spend it again in running after the world. In other words we find bliss in Atman in deep sleep. But sine we are unaware if it, we seek it again, while awake, in the outside world.:loco:
 
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Dear Mr. Zee,

The popular philosophy of people who learn too much

without understanding what they had learned is....

"If you can't clarify at least kilarufy!!!"

it is also called as :fish2: in troubled water. :)
 
A gnaani and a fool both enjoy perfect bliss!

The ONLY difference is that

The gnaanai enjoys while he is WIDE awake and is aware of it.

(He is an Atmaa raamaa = One who revels in atman)

The fool enjoys bliss while he is asleep. He is unaware and ignorant of it.

(He is a nidra-aatma-raamaa = one who revels in Atmaa during deep sleep.
 

We find that people who live in poor conditions are also happy. They do not know anything about philosophy.

But still they laugh and smile and enjoy life to the possible extent. The definition of 'happiness' is this:

'Happiness is a mental or emotional state of well-being characterized by positive or pleasant emotions, ranging

from contentment to intense joy.' IMHO, envy - resentful desire of something possessed by another or others -

is the prime reason for unhappiness!
 
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