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Well, after having moved into the second year of its establishment, do you have any new initiatives for the forum?
I fully appreciate the tremendous patience accompanied by wisdom, a rare combination, in both Praveen and Silverfox while dealing with the members and in reacting to the various messages sent in here. I have more or less gone through all the members listed in the 'Introduction" area; hence, i am making this observation. In fact, a forum like this need such visionaries. However, many members have become 'dormant' after a few postings. Have you thought about any plans to 'retain them' or for any dynamic interaction with the members; or else, like many other great initiatives earlier to bring in some quality improvement in our community, this forum also may get into oblivion. I only wish that this forum grows leaps and bounds in the days to come and fulfill the missions with which it was established.
Once again, best wishes and hope you continue to show the same level of patience and wisdom in dealing with the messages/comments received here.
with regards,
bala.
I fully appreciate the tremendous patience accompanied by wisdom, a rare combination, in both Praveen and Silverfox while dealing with the members and in reacting to the various messages sent in here. I have more or less gone through all the members listed in the 'Introduction" area; hence, i am making this observation. In fact, a forum like this need such visionaries. However, many members have become 'dormant' after a few postings. Have you thought about any plans to 'retain them' or for any dynamic interaction with the members; or else, like many other great initiatives earlier to bring in some quality improvement in our community, this forum also may get into oblivion. I only wish that this forum grows leaps and bounds in the days to come and fulfill the missions with which it was established.
Once again, best wishes and hope you continue to show the same level of patience and wisdom in dealing with the messages/comments received here.
with regards,
bala.
Thank you, Sri Balaiyer!
Dear Sri Bala:
Thank you very much indeed for your kind words and encouragement. However, I cannot take the credit for this; to begin with, it was Praveen who single-handedly started this Forum; then we have Ramki, an energetic and compassionate young man; and words cannot describe Chintana, whose flair for writing, patience and wisdom, and her devotion to this site are known to all the members.
All the four of us have tried in the past to engage members; I have sent broadcast messages asking members for donations to help out needy but bright students; asked for volunteers, but met with only limited success.
Any fresh ideas from you on how to 'retain' and 'engage' members will be most welcome.
Thank you again for your support.
Dear Sri Bala:
Thank you very much indeed for your kind words and encouragement. However, I cannot take the credit for this; to begin with, it was Praveen who single-handedly started this Forum; then we have Ramki, an energetic and compassionate young man; and words cannot describe Chintana, whose flair for writing, patience and wisdom, and her devotion to this site are known to all the members.
All the four of us have tried in the past to engage members; I have sent broadcast messages asking members for donations to help out needy but bright students; asked for volunteers, but met with only limited success.
Any fresh ideas from you on how to 'retain' and 'engage' members will be most welcome.
Thank you again for your support.
Welcome, Ranjani!
Dear Ranjani:
I am sorry I completely missed seeing your posting. First of all, a BIG welcome to your Community!
It is gratifying to note that young people like you are proud of our heritage. I hope you will actively participate in this Forum. We need more people like you. Please spread the word among your friends.
And, good luck with your studies.
Dear Ranjani:
I am sorry I completely missed seeing your posting. First of all, a BIG welcome to your Community!
It is gratifying to note that young people like you are proud of our heritage. I hope you will actively participate in this Forum. We need more people like you. Please spread the word among your friends.
And, good luck with your studies.
vijisesh
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Dear all,
The IDEA is right !
If u really want to help a group , u need to IDENTIFY the members !
Instead of wasting time with the census , why can't we make people to get information from Agraharams / Temples about the count of the No. of people below the poverty line , to extend help to them ??
The IDEA is right !
If u really want to help a group , u need to IDENTIFY the members !
Instead of wasting time with the census , why can't we make people to get information from Agraharams / Temples about the count of the No. of people below the poverty line , to extend help to them ??
Agraharam?
Dear Bala/Vijisesh:
Thank you for all your thoughtful postings.
Vijiisesh, you have stated that we should get info from Agraharams! Are Agraharams still there?
I went to this village (Pullaboothangudi, 1 mile from Swami Malai in Thanjavur Dist, one of the 108 Divya Desams) where I was born! I went with my older brother to participate in the "samprokshanam" of the new Gopuram built by Sri Azhagiya Singar swamigal of Ahobila Matam. The agraharam where I was born is gone! Out of the 15 houses on both sides, almost everybody is gone. I wonder if this is true with other agraharams also. It appears that all the Brahmins have fled the agraharams to the cities!
Dear Bala/Vijisesh:
Thank you for all your thoughtful postings.
Vijiisesh, you have stated that we should get info from Agraharams! Are Agraharams still there?
I went to this village (Pullaboothangudi, 1 mile from Swami Malai in Thanjavur Dist, one of the 108 Divya Desams) where I was born! I went with my older brother to participate in the "samprokshanam" of the new Gopuram built by Sri Azhagiya Singar swamigal of Ahobila Matam. The agraharam where I was born is gone! Out of the 15 houses on both sides, almost everybody is gone. I wonder if this is true with other agraharams also. It appears that all the Brahmins have fled the agraharams to the cities!
'Silverfox' s concern over the 'decaying agraharams' is a timely reminder. True, many agraharams have become extinct! It is a paradox that many have been sold (i.e. the individuals have sold their houses) to people who stand for all that we supposed to oppose today! However, in different parts of Tamilnadu, still some agraharam do exist. Interestingly, in southern parts of Tamilnadu, in Tiirunelveli, Thoothukudi and Kanyakumari district, there are many agaraharams are kept intact with its rich traditions and they follow things (i.e. the pujas, the Holy-days, all that is good) which were followed by their earlier generation; on auspicious days, pujas, homams and brahmmanrthams are conducted regularly. In this context, one city which is not in Tamilnadu, but the Tamil Brahminical cultures and traditions are fully followed today is TRIVANDRUM! There, the Fort area is dominated by the Tamil Brahmins! and many traditions are meticulously followed in spite of the the modernisation process seemed to have swept accross the entire Brahminical belt in different parts of the country. Perhaps, some of our members who hail from these areas would throw more light on the existence of agraharams in Pathamadai, Cheranmahadevi, Srivaidundam, Vadiveeswaram & Ozhiginaseri (Nagerkoil), Bhimanagari, Mahadhanapuram and other such agraharams in that part of Tamilnadu. It gives a great sense of 'Pride' and satisfaction to remember one's own agraharam and the various activities that are held even today so that the children of today are taught the richness of one's culture by direct observation and participation. We may continue this dialogue later. Thanks to Silverfox to have kindled this 'nostalgia'.
with regards,
balaiyer.
with regards,
balaiyer.
haiiiiiiiiii...iam geetha
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Welcome! Geetha!
Hi Geetha! Welcome to your Community! We are delighted you have joined us. Please spread the good word among your friends and contribute actively to this forum.
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From first hand accounts,i know that there are many beautiful functional agraharams in thanjavur district.Change is inevitable,though.
thank You Mr.silverfox.
Glad to see the messages
chanakya,chintana,ranjani
What shall we do... we will ask each and individual youth to join in our forum and discuss the current issues going on at tamil nadu... i started recommending few of my friends to join in our site. What is our plan of action.
i would like to know what u people are planning to do for our society i will join hands with u people..
chanakya,chintana,ranjani
What shall we do... we will ask each and individual youth to join in our forum and discuss the current issues going on at tamil nadu... i started recommending few of my friends to join in our site. What is our plan of action.
i would like to know what u people are planning to do for our society i will join hands with u people..
Hii...
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I am Sandhya... I came across this website while i browsed..
Thought of registering into it n i did..
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Agraharams
In the United States and Canada there are many ghost towns.
http://www.ghosttowns.com/
This site gives the history of some of them. Please do visit the ones nearest to you. The reasons for a town becoming a ghost town are many. But
the most common reason is
1. Non availability of water.
2. Closing down of a factory or mine.
We do have a number of ghost Agraharams in Tamil Nadu. I remember visiting one in Ramnad district long back. Of course this cannot strictly be called a ghost Agraharam because it was still fully occupied. Except that they were all Muslims.
It was also fairly obvious why the Brahmins left the place. No water even for drinking. The temple tank had dried long long back. The temple was still there but in ruins.
There is an impression that the Brahmin Agraharams were islands of prosperity where you could hear the Vedas being recited from all households. This is Myth. An Utopian concept. Even 100 years back searching for such an agraharam would be like searching for Sangrila.
I have spent a number of years looking for an ideal Agraharam on the banks of Kaveri or Thamraparani to settle down. This is my experience.
The residents of Agraharams consisted of all people from all walks of life and different strata of society. Cooks, Judges, landlords, Priests, even thieves and people carrying on the oldest profession. They were all bound by a common culture. The rich and the poor stayed together. The only difference was in the size of the house.
With the passage of time the divide between the rich and the poor increased. The well to do Brahmins chose to construct houses away from the Agraharam for availing modern conveniences.
With the bringing in of the agrarian reforms and land ceiling, the tenancy farming that the Brahmins were doing has almost ended. The return from Agriculture is also not very good. That is also one of the reasons many Brahmins have left the Agraharams to seek a living in the cities where an educated person can get a job.
There are Agraharams which still exist. They are mostly either suburbs of cities or near the city. Since there is a source of employment nearby Brahmins continue to stay there. But even here the old houses are being pulled down and modern houses constructed. Even many Brahmins who come on a transfer to the city prefer to take a house on rent here. One of the complaint often heard from many residents of the existing Agraharams is that most of the residents are not Brahmins.
There were a lot of good things about Agraharams. But there were also bad things.
Agraharams came into being when the necessity arose. Now there is no pressing necessity. This is the main reason why many of them are disappearing.
In the United States and Canada there are many ghost towns.
http://www.ghosttowns.com/
This site gives the history of some of them. Please do visit the ones nearest to you. The reasons for a town becoming a ghost town are many. But
the most common reason is
1. Non availability of water.
2. Closing down of a factory or mine.
We do have a number of ghost Agraharams in Tamil Nadu. I remember visiting one in Ramnad district long back. Of course this cannot strictly be called a ghost Agraharam because it was still fully occupied. Except that they were all Muslims.
It was also fairly obvious why the Brahmins left the place. No water even for drinking. The temple tank had dried long long back. The temple was still there but in ruins.
There is an impression that the Brahmin Agraharams were islands of prosperity where you could hear the Vedas being recited from all households. This is Myth. An Utopian concept. Even 100 years back searching for such an agraharam would be like searching for Sangrila.
I have spent a number of years looking for an ideal Agraharam on the banks of Kaveri or Thamraparani to settle down. This is my experience.
The residents of Agraharams consisted of all people from all walks of life and different strata of society. Cooks, Judges, landlords, Priests, even thieves and people carrying on the oldest profession. They were all bound by a common culture. The rich and the poor stayed together. The only difference was in the size of the house.
With the passage of time the divide between the rich and the poor increased. The well to do Brahmins chose to construct houses away from the Agraharam for availing modern conveniences.
With the bringing in of the agrarian reforms and land ceiling, the tenancy farming that the Brahmins were doing has almost ended. The return from Agriculture is also not very good. That is also one of the reasons many Brahmins have left the Agraharams to seek a living in the cities where an educated person can get a job.
There are Agraharams which still exist. They are mostly either suburbs of cities or near the city. Since there is a source of employment nearby Brahmins continue to stay there. But even here the old houses are being pulled down and modern houses constructed. Even many Brahmins who come on a transfer to the city prefer to take a house on rent here. One of the complaint often heard from many residents of the existing Agraharams is that most of the residents are not Brahmins.
There were a lot of good things about Agraharams. But there were also bad things.
Agraharams came into being when the necessity arose. Now there is no pressing necessity. This is the main reason why many of them are disappearing.
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Refreshing view i must say.
IMHO this 'ring-fencing' did more harm than good since communication between communities became difficult if not non-existing.
Also it is not a good idea for a person to be identified on the basis of where he lives. We can see it happening with the Muslims now who have virtually turned their habitat into a ghetto.
Agraharams also meant that we, as a community, got into peer pressure when it came to disowning or distancing oneself from either hardlined (perhaps incorrect ?) interpretations of the sacred texts.
As a community i think our communication plan was miserable and our 'media managers' bungled big time.
As is Ramkis wont, my 2 paise. (BTW Ramki, Rupee has breached '40' after 9 years)
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hariharan1972
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Mr zguofan,
If you wouldnt mind, the 'footer information' in your posts isnt appropriate given the purposes of this forum.
Your liking or otherwise of an actress is strictly your personal matter but i suppose you can refrain from advertising the fact.
Good Bye
It is a month since I made my first posting in this forum. I am very happy for the friendly and cordial atmosphere of the forum.
I think the time has come to say Good Bye. I will not be posting any more.
I will continue to be a member and may be check up the discussions once in a while.
I think I am getting attached to my postings. So better to make a clean break. My usual practice.
Thank you all for the great support.
This is a great forum. Keep it up.
God Bless You.
It is a month since I made my first posting in this forum. I am very happy for the friendly and cordial atmosphere of the forum.
I think the time has come to say Good Bye. I will not be posting any more.
I will continue to be a member and may be check up the discussions once in a while.
I think I am getting attached to my postings. So better to make a clean break. My usual practice.
Thank you all for the great support.
This is a great forum. Keep it up.
God Bless You.
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vijisesh
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Dear Mr.Nacchi,
I just want to WARN YOU that you have still not completed your outstanding Karma towards this forum ! There are many people like adiyen , gaining from the knowledge that you provide and you have just begun your journey !
If you STOP posting now, u might have to take ten more jenmas and post in 100 more such forums to gain the lost karma !
I understand your valid point about hijacking of subjects by some posters , to their ' Known and Comfort Zones' , and this will wither away with time and everyone will understand eventually that one of the sole purpose of this forum is to help our community , gain a proper insight into religion , which only people like u can provide !
So Don't take this as a buttering or flattering act towards u
Think twice , take a deep breath and start afresh again !
If u choose otherwise , i am also not there if u aren't ! ( Ofcourse ! many will be happy , if I am out !)
I just want to WARN YOU that you have still not completed your outstanding Karma towards this forum ! There are many people like adiyen , gaining from the knowledge that you provide and you have just begun your journey !
If you STOP posting now, u might have to take ten more jenmas and post in 100 more such forums to gain the lost karma !
I understand your valid point about hijacking of subjects by some posters , to their ' Known and Comfort Zones' , and this will wither away with time and everyone will understand eventually that one of the sole purpose of this forum is to help our community , gain a proper insight into religion , which only people like u can provide !
So Don't take this as a buttering or flattering act towards u
Think twice , take a deep breath and start afresh again !
If u choose otherwise , i am also not there if u aren't ! ( Ofcourse ! many will be happy , if I am out !)
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hariharan1972
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Mr Nacchinarkiniyan,
Chooti mooh badi baath na hojaye phir bhi kuch aapse keh daltha hoon,
I participate in another forum.
From what you have seen of me, i hope, you see me as a moderate guy. But if you read me in the other forum, you will find me putting Dan Quixote to shame.
I am wild, wild, west there. There lathoon ka bhooth baathon se nahin mantha.
In the midst of all the chaos there, one member wrote which impressed me.
He wrote : It is very easy to write a book and get penguin to publish it. But it takes enormous effort, patience, skill to partipate in a forum and get across our view points in a sane, sober manner.
So all that i wanted to request you is that if you feel hurt by any writings of anyone in the forum, you should side-step it.
You know, i am practicing the art of avoiding land-mines in that forum. For this forum of ours, it is childs play given the general high quality of decorum we maintain and the wealth of experience you have.
My thoughts, your choice though.
Regards
Chooti mooh badi baath na hojaye phir bhi kuch aapse keh daltha hoon,
I participate in another forum.
From what you have seen of me, i hope, you see me as a moderate guy. But if you read me in the other forum, you will find me putting Dan Quixote to shame.
I am wild, wild, west there. There lathoon ka bhooth baathon se nahin mantha.
In the midst of all the chaos there, one member wrote which impressed me.
He wrote : It is very easy to write a book and get penguin to publish it. But it takes enormous effort, patience, skill to partipate in a forum and get across our view points in a sane, sober manner.
So all that i wanted to request you is that if you feel hurt by any writings of anyone in the forum, you should side-step it.
You know, i am practicing the art of avoiding land-mines in that forum. For this forum of ours, it is childs play given the general high quality of decorum we maintain and the wealth of experience you have.
My thoughts, your choice though.
Regards
Thank you, vijisesh and Hari.
It is true that forums are not only being hi jacked , but also killed. But that is not the reason for my decision.
The day the replies to your threads start bothering you, that means you are getting attached to your threads and posts. It is this realization that made me take this decision.
It is true that forums are not only being hi jacked , but also killed. But that is not the reason for my decision.
The day the replies to your threads start bothering you, that means you are getting attached to your threads and posts. It is this realization that made me take this decision.
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