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palindrome,

post #21 and 22:

All that you have asked for in your post #21 are already there. You have to only read up. I know what is anthropology and what is genetics and I do not have to take lessons from you on this. You have a tendency to repeatedly ask for proof for this and that(without bothering to read the references given) like your friend asking for chapter and verse of everything said here. It is as if you are too busy to look up the references provided here. Please note I am as busy as you. You are well known here in this forum for such antics when you were in your earlier avatar HH. I thought you would have matured. However it appears that it has not happened. I am not going to continue the conversation with you any more. You can derive any conclusion from this and vent your spleen here. I won't reply. I have no time for such mediocrity.

Who wants to bother giving you lessons? Its apparent what you know about genetics and anthropology

So just list your dumb claims and let me send them to Robert Boyd. If he bothers to read it or reply, I shall paste the response here. If he does not, it is still okay. Atleast he will have a good laugh. Or maybe he will list them on his page here (and maybe even invite you to work with him -- bcoz you are so innovative enough to pass off your opinions as Boyd's work) - http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/anthro/faculty/boyd/

The point is do you have the gall to list all the points which you wish to attribute to Robert Boyd. You have not given any references so far except claiming Robert Boyd's work proves your baseless claims. Don't beat around the bush with your silly excuses.

 

[Vaagmi]

This is not with reference to post #26:

The other day I was travelling by the electric suburban train in Chennai. The train was crowded because it was the peak hour. When a midway station was reached and the train stopped people got down. I was standing all along and I occupied the seat vacated by a passenger who was getting down. I was near the seat and made it to it. A puny dwarf who was trying to come and occupy it was disappointed. He was drunk too. He started belting out epithets at me. As I was ignoring him despite his repeated attempts to provoke me, he got angry and challenged me to a fight. I quietly got down from the train as the destination was reached. I knew that it was enough for me to just push him down and he will not get up for the next one hour. But I did not do that. He went with the satisfaction that he challenged me and I did not accept the challenge. That is ok for me too. So the moral of the story is that you do not accept the challenge from any Tom Dick or Harry particularly if they happen to be dwarfs or drunk or lazybones.

If you still get an impression that I am talking here about a certain person and her post #26 I am helpless.

 

[palindrome]

As predicted when challenged they walk away, though not quietly but spewing insults. For the arrogantly mendacious those who dare to disagree are ipso facto mediocre.

Yeah, and they themselves are most brilliant, the nicest, the best of all. Afterall, they think they have satvik genes derived from a "evolved gene pool" made up of brahmins exclusively Oh! what a case really -- of cracking jokes and expecting to be taken seriously.

 

[palindrome]

This is not with reference to post #26:

The other day I was travelling by the electric suburban train in Chennai. The train was crowded because it was the peak hour. When a midway station was reached and the train stopped people got down. I was standing all along and I occupied the seat vacated by a passenger who was getting down. I was near the seat and made it to it. A puny dwarf who was trying to come and occupy it was disappointed. He was drunk too. He started belting out epithets at me. As I was ignoring him despite his repeated attempts to provoke me, he got angry and challenged me to a fight. I quietly got down from the train as the destination was reached. I knew that it was enough for me to just push him down and he will not get up for the next one hour. But I did not do that. He went with the satisfaction that he challenged me and I did not accept the challenge. That is ok for me too. So the moral of the story is that you do not accept the challenge from any Tom Dick or Harry particularly if they happen to be dwarfs or drunk or lazybones.

If you still get an impression that I am talking here about a certain person and her post #26 I am helpless.

Oh my! now the escapist wants the route out spinning another story. Really....

Anyways, let this post stand as testimony of Vaagmi's exemplary behavior of (1) passing off his dumb idiotic claims as Robert Boyd's work (2) alleging canard on pattunoolkaran women (3) making speculative claims about nayaks' varna (4) escaping when asked to prove anything at all (5) resorting to defeatist yarn as an exit route; with an attempt to insult the questioning party.

Vaagmi, you are done for. You have no gall nor respect. In you previous avatar as Suraju, i respected you a wee bit though you went on about satvik genes. This time its gone case.

 

[Vaagmi]

Warning to palindrome alias banned and driven away HH:

Dont needle me. I will have to report you to Praveen. I can call you a dumb stupid idiotic member coming here without reading the forum properly to ask a member to reproduce whatever he has already said here. But I am a brahmin with satvik genes and so I wont do that. I am from Madurai and I have many friends from the pattunoolkaran community and I know the history of naik dynasty. I do not have to prove any thing to you. Period. When I held myself back from the drunk dwarf who travelled with me in the train i knew I was not defeated. I do not bother what the dwarf thought about that. This warning applies to you as well as the friend of you who keeps egging you on.

 

[renuka]

Warning to palindrome alias banned and driven away HH:

Dear Vaagmi Ji,



Forum is always like a good masala movie with nice fun scenes and fight scenes and sometimes some item number posts too.

Forum is like Adrenaline response to the human body....that is we either Fight or Flight.

But forum comes with one added benefit..if we don't want to Fight or Flight we can just keep on clicking Like to make others Fight!LOL

You should be knowing about the nature of Forum by now....going by that fact that since you joined only in June 2013 you seem to be aware of "palindrome alias banned and driven away HH".

Cool Dude.

 

[Vaagmi]

Dear Vaagmi Ji,



Forum is always like a good masala movie with nice fun scenes and fight scenes and sometimes some item number posts too.

Forum is like Adrenaline response to the human body....that is we either Fight or Flight.

But forum comes with one added benefit..if we don't want to Fight of Flight we can just keep on clicking Like to make others Fight!LOL

You should be knowing about the nature of Forum by now....going by that fact that since you joined only in June 2013 you seem to be aware of "palindrome alias banned and driven away HH".

Cool Dude.

Renukaji,

Because you are asking I am repeating. I have said this earlier too. I joined the forum only a couple of months back no doubt. But I have been visiting this forum for long and has been following the developments here keenly like many of my friends. We keep visiting many forums and blogs including the blogs and orkut forums of the unmentionable person. So I know quite a few things that has been happening here. Yeah I am cool. LOL.

 

[renuka]

Renukaji,

Because you are asking I am repeating. I have said this earlier too. I joined the forum only a couple of months back no doubt. But I have been visiting this forum for long and has been following the developments here keenly like many of my friends. We keep visiting many forums and blogs including the blogs and orkut forums of the unmentionable person. So I know quite a few things that has been happening here. Yeah I am cool. LOL.

Dear Vaagmi ji,

I believe you now...BTW if one reads your reply to Palindrome..it actually sounds like some Film dialogue where the Mr Good Guy gives a warning that he too can react if he wants but he will not owing to the fact that he has good qualities..but nevertheless the message of "don't mess with me" gets across.

Move over Rajini..here comes Vaagmi.

All the Vaagmi fans... Thalaiva!
Dont miss the chance.. Thalaiva!
All the Vaagmi fans ...Thalaiva!
Dont miss the chance... Thalaiva!
Lungi dance, Lungi dance, Lungi dance!

 

[Vaagmi]

Dear Vaagmi ji,

I believe you now...BTW if one reads your reply to Palindrome..it actually sounds like some Film dialogue where the Mr Good Guy gives a warning that he too can react if he wants but he will not owing to the fact that he has good qualities..but nevertheless the message of "don't mess with me" gets across.

Move over Rajini..here comes Vaagmi.

All the Vaagmi fans Thalaiva!
Dont miss the chance Thalaiva
All the Vaagmi fans Thalaiva!
Dont miss the chance Thalaiva!
Lungi dance, Lungi dance, Lungi dance!

That was a nice one coming from you. Now I am compelled to give it back. But this hero is a little diffident about the heroine because too much of intelligence is in displlay. Would prefer a dumb, idiotic, stupid one. Would like to change the heroine. Any chance? LOL.

 

[renuka]

That was a nice one coming from you. Now I am compelled to give it back. But this hero is a little diffident about the heroine because too much of intelligence is in displlay. Would prefer a dumb, idiotic, stupid one. Would like to change the heroine. Any chance? LOL.

Dear Vaagmi Ji,

Ok.. so hero is looking for some dumb,idiotic,stupid heroine...in other words a Bimbo!LOL

But you know most movies start off like that..hero fights with heroine becos she is trying to be too intelilgent and he tries "tame" her and eventually they hit off well.

If the heroine is dumb to start with then there is no movie at all.

So its up to the Hero to display skills to "tame" the heroine and make her sing to his tune!

BTW if you are looking for a dumb heroine to start with may be I can attend the audition..I can be Dumb and Dumber too!LOL

 

[palindrome]

Warning to palindrome alias banned and driven away HH:

Dont needle me. I will have to report you to Praveen. I can call you a dumb stupid idiotic member coming here without reading the forum properly to ask a member to reproduce whatever he has already said here. But I am a brahmin with satvik genes and so I wont do that. I am from Madurai and I have many friends from the pattunoolkaran community and I know the history of naik dynasty. I do not have to prove any thing to you. Period. When I held myself back from the drunk dwarf who travelled with me in the train i knew I was not defeated. I do not bother what the dwarf thought about that. This warning applies to you as well as the friend of you who keeps egging you on.

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Btw, madurai is not unknown to me. My spouse is from Madurai. We also have some good friends from the pattunoolkaran community. We know their culture well enough. However, I do not rely on hearsay and gossip. Without some amount of historical evidence at the very least, you cannot allege stuff.

All your claims are your own. In other words, you are simply rumour mongering about pattunoolkarans, and attributing your silly opinions on genes-culture to Rob Boyd. You are simply fooling around and expecting to be taken seriously. Period.

 

[Vaagmi]

Dear Vaagmi Ji,

Ok.. so hero is looking for some dumb,idiotic,stupid heroine...in other words a Bimbo!LOL

But you know most movies start off like that..hero fights with heroine becos she is trying to be too intelilgent and he tries "tame" her and eventually they hit off well.

If the heroine is dumb to start with then there is no movie at all.

So its up to the Hero to display skills to "tame" the heroine and make her sing to his tune!

BTW if you are looking for a dumb heroine to start with may be I can attend the audition..I can be Dumb and Dumber too!LOL

Dear Renukaji,

The prospect is terrifying. I am scared. After reading your post I have become wiser. Now I would prefer a "innaabaa innaa venunra ippo" type heroine. There are interesting possibilities there in it.Thank you. You do not make the grade.LOL.

 

[palindrome]

<edited. removed. questioning the moderation is not allowed and has been explained very very very clearly in the past. posts of this nature will be removed and your account may be suspended.

only a portion of your post that was not relevant was removed. If i had sided with the member, the entire post should have been removed. - Praveen>

 

[ShivKC]

<edited to remove the quoted text. - praveen>


Hope you are aware, questioning moderation in public is not entertained, which more-an-uncivil thing than whats is projected towards others as being uncivil.

These kind of high handed attitudes will set a bad archetype for others.

Why dont you PM the moderators?

Thank you.

 

[renuka]

Dear Renukaji,

"innaabaa innaa venunra ippo"

Dear Vaagmi Ji,

I could not make out the meaning of this line.

My Tamil sucks at times..and I feel this has some TB accent here which I can't make out.

Could you please translate it for me?

 

[Vaagmi]

Dear Vaagmi Ji,

I could not make out the meaning of this line.

My Tamil sucks at times..and I feel this has some TB accent here which I can't make out.

Could you please translate it for me?

It is supposed to be Madras Tamil. When a girl snaps back at the boy who is fooling around she asks him "hey you, what do you want?" What is left unsaid is "dont play with me I will thrash you".innaabaa-is madras tamil form of enna appa? innaa-enna, venunra-venum enkire, ippo-ippo. Hope everything is clear now.

 

[palindrome]

<edited. removed. i have very clearly said that only a portion of the reply that was not relevant was removed. If you insist on dragging this on and on and on and on, you leave with no choice. I fail to understand what part of my message was not clear. - Praveen.>

 

[renuka]

It is supposed to be Madras Tamil. When a girl snaps back at the boy who is fooling around she asks him "hey you, what do you want?" What is left unsaid is "dont play with me I will thrash you".innaabaa-is madras tamil form of enna appa? innaa-enna, venunra-venum enkire, ippo-ippo. Hope everything is clear now.

Ok get it now.

Thanks.

Was really confused earler...I was wondering what is was?

LOL! So my Tamil is not so bad after all......since I am not well versed with Madras Tamil that is why I found it difficult to make out what you wrote earlier.

Anyway thanks.

 

[ShivKC]

A civil debate is not possible. it is reminder for the public how a section of tamil brahmins behave.

you don't need to isolate a sections of tamilbrahmins as odd behaves !! Naras prophecy is exactly for you.. at the end,you are stooping down here with all these mud slinging words of frustration, directed towards the community.

first take a look at yourself, and decide who is extra-uncivil in this forum, by your behavior of questioning and commenting on moderation. visit few other forums in the internet to see, how such kind of your un-civil nature would be dealt with not only by moderators, but also by fellow members.

matter of fact, you are making the discussions dirty & un-civil and irritates even the readers, not alone the participants of that particular thread.

 

[palindrome]

<edited. removed. i have very clearly said that only a portion of the reply that was not relevant was removed. If you insist on dragging this on and on and on and on, you leave with no choice. I fail to understand what part of my message was not clear. - Praveen.>

Ah well, this beats me. I merely lamented. Am i not entitled to do so? Yes, i think a civil debate is not possible in this forum. Since i have already sent you a PM, am now wondering why are you not replying but instead posting in open forum.

 

[praveen]

Ah well, this beats me. I merely lamented. Am i not entitled to do so? Yes, i think a civil debate is not possible in this forum. Since i have already sent you a PM, am now wondering why are you not replying but instead posting in open forum.

A reply has already been sent. please check before posting irrelevant and meaningless posts in open forum.

 

[palindrome]

A reply has already been sent. please check before posting irrelevant and meaningless posts in open forum.

Received and replied.

 

[auh]

Previously, i made an offer to Ravi. To test his y-dna, mt-dna and autosomal-dna for free (and something so comprehensive is expensive). He backed off citing excuses. My offer to him still stands. Now am challenging Vagmi. Am aware what will ensue. Yet, you know me, am not the sort of back off. Being deluded with a lot of assumptions on a evolved brahmin genepool with certain values, ideas of satvik genes and such like is laughable in educated circles. The best part is he attributes such stuff to Robert Boyd. One should normally dismiss such silly jokes. Unfortunately, such ideas are part of the society we live in amongst a certain set of people (its obviously plain ego about themselves). But unless the same gusto is used to challenge them, such ideas go on polluting the society we live in.

This is just to know where the situation stands. If brahmins have genes, say DNA composition, or some other chemical component that is also present in the "other" (short form for all other communities, demographies), can we implicitly assume that we might have a common ancestor (or intermingling)? Those are physical attributes and can (should) be common across communities. Satvik, etc., are not physical attributes and, if present in genes, we have no means of identifying them. So your test, by itself, cannot prove/disprove the existence of a "satvik" quality, I believe.

 

[zebra16]

you don't need to isolate a sections of tamilbrahmins as odd behaves !! Naras prophecy is exactly for you.. at the end,you are stooping down here with all these mud slinging words of frustration, directed towards the community.

first take a look at yourself, and decide who is extra-uncivil in this forum, by your behavior of questioning and commenting on moderation. visit few other forums in the internet to see, how such kind of your un-civil nature would be dealt with not only by moderators, but also by fellow members.

matter of fact, you are making the discussions dirty & un-civil and irritates even the readers, not alone the participants of that particular thread.

Hi ShivKC,

Suddenly active once again, two posts in one thread within an hour.

Reminds me of Thums Up Ad "Happy days are here again, Thums UP"

I would love to have a crack at your internet search engine that alerts you to the interesting posts within seconds !!! What key words or tags do you use for search?

 

[palindrome]

This is just to know where the situation stands. If brahmins have genes, say DNA composition, or some other chemical component that is also present in the "other" (short form for all other communities, demographies), can we implicitly assume that we might have a common ancestor (or intermingling)? Those are physical attributes and can (should) be common across communities. Satvik, etc., are not physical attributes and, if present in genes, we have no means of identifying them. So your test, by itself, cannot prove/disprove the existence of a "satvik" quality, I believe.

What is satvik quality, please explain, does it include threatening and trashing? After all, even in Manusmriti the shudra's tongue was cut off if he so dared to argue with a brahmin. I do not see anything different happening here, even ages later.

But if you are speaking of qualities supposedly dictated by genes of brahmins, you will have to explain from the genetics pov, how this is supposed to happen? Not by mere speculation as you have done. Behavioral genetics is a fast growing field, btw.