Meritocracy and Quotas

[renuka]

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dear renus,

every miss universe or miss world contestant has world peace at the top of her wish list. are they all sattvik genes? please clarify.

[video=youtube;B1ZOWwW2agQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1ZOWwW2agQ[/video]

LOL! You know what??

I was thinking of the same thing!

The crowd wont clap unless the Miss World says World Peace!LOL

So I guess Sattva genes wins the crown!

 

[Nara]

....Speculating, hypothesising, extrapolating, projecting and predicting are all thought processes in science. When fission released large amount of energy all these processes came into play to conclude that fusion would release larger amount of energy. That was proved subsequently by actual experiments. ஆனைக்கு அர்ரம் என்றால் குதிரைக்கு குர்ரம் is not the logic we are discussing here.

That is precisely the logic you are using here, Boyd showed genetic changes occurred in one group that developed lactose tolerance while the other group did not, and you take this ஆனைக்கு அர்ரம் and want to apply it to your pet theory that Brahmins have developed their own cultural-gene in குதிரைக்கு குர்ரம் fashion.

Nuclear fission analogy does not work here as it was not mere speculation before it was experimentally proven, there was solid mathematical proof. Citing Boyd's lactose tolerance study and concluding Brahmin culture is hard coded into their gene is unconscionable. This can only remain your pet theory. Prove it the way Boyd did. Until then, don't make grandiose claims.

thank you ....

 

[auh]

every miss universe or miss world contestant has world peace at the top of her wish list. are they all sattvik genes? please clarify.]

They could very well be satvic jeans.

 

[auh]

Have gun will travel!

I am trying to figure this sentence out:

1) Have gun; (and) will travel!
2) Have gun; (and you) will travel!
3) Have gun? (then I) will travel!
4) Have (how) gun will travel!(?)
5) None of the above, but somethng else. (then pls clarify)

 

[Vaagmi]

Dear Vaagmi Ji,

I have a question for you with regards to the Sattva Gene theory.
Ok..In the Panchikarana the Vedantic theory of how matter came into existence from the 5 Basic Primordial Subtle Elements...each matter gets formed by grossification of the 5 Basic Primordial Subtle Elements in varying proportions and each retain some part of the Sattva,Rajas and also Tamas aspect in each step in the forming of the Gross 5 elements and up to the Gross Human Body..not to mention the Karmendriyas and the Jnanenydriyas.
The Chart below from Google Images might help us understand.
OK..so now going by your Sattva Gene theory..how will you fit it into the Vedantic Theory?
The Gross Physical Human Body has a set number of elements of Sattva,Rajas and Tamas for it to actually come into being as human and to make life even possible.
So wont your Sattva Gene Theory upset this delicate cocktail of 3 Gunas in the human body and make even human life not possible?
I hope you can shed some light.
Please don't quote Boyd anymore.
I want Vedantic answers here.

dear Renukaji,

I have no sattva gene theory. Ok. That having been settled, let us for the purpose of discussion the sattvik culture's impact on genes(what I have been telling all along). Why do you want to bring in complicated panchikarana into the picture. Many of the members here may not like it or may not understand it as they may not have the time to study vedanta. I can give you my answer in a simple way which you can understand easily and to which you can relate easily.

Saibaba when he took his food (breakfast, lunch or dinner) he was rajasic predominently. When he slept in the night he was tamasic predominantly. When he gave lectures or met his devotees he was predominantly saatvik. Now what do you call saibaba? Was he a saatvik individual or a tamasic individual or a rajasic individual? The guna which is predominent determines one's personality. Dont you think so?

Think about it. There you have the answer to your questions.

 

[palindrome]

Btw calling this member is not going to help, as I think, the member believes in the subtle body, karma et al. And proving how that gets attached over births and deaths is not going to be easy, except perhaps in the realm of blind belief.

LOL, mine was just a funny comment to Renu. You don't have to get into it, unless you want yourself everywhere of course.

Maybe there is another level of geneticists who might know more than Palindrome on this subject?

Ofcourse there were. One was Yamaka. He is not posting here anymore. Anyways who needs anyone here. After all folks here are know-it-alls; with satvik genes from an evolved genepool

 

[zebra16]

Yesterday's rituals do not exist today, and today's will not exist tomorrrow.

How sure you are about this? You have given this as a matter of fact. Is it so?

I remember you invoked the authority of Frits Staal in some other earlier discussion thread on rituals. He has a 180 degree opposite view. He has spent his life time in studying rituals, especially Hindu rituals.

Without giving a shred of evidence you have asserted the opposite. Such bland averments make your scholarship suspect and agenda based, notwithstanding the obeisance your posts get from the "faithfuls" over here.

 

[renuka]

dear Renukaji,

I have no sattva gene theory. Ok. That having been settled, let us for the purpose of discussion the sattvik culture's impact on genes(what I have been telling all along). Why do you want to bring in complicated panchikarana into the picture. Many of the members here may not like it or may not understand it as they may not have the time to study vedanta. I can give you my answer in a simple way which you can understand easily and to which you can relate easily.

Saibaba when he took his food (breakfast, lunch or dinner) he was rajasic predominently. When he slept in the night he was tamasic predominantly. When he gave lectures or met his devotees he was predominantly saatvik. Now what do you call saibaba? Was he a saatvik individual or a tamasic individual or a rajasic individual? The guna which is predominent determines one's personality. Dont you think so?

Think about it. There you have the answer to your questions.

Dear Vaagmi Ji,


So my dear Vaagmi..your "Sattva Gene Theory" remains a Kha Puspha (Flowers in the Sky)!LOL

 

[palindrome]

How sure you are about this? You have given this as a matter of fact. Is it so?

I remember you invoked the authority of Frits Staal in some other earlier discussion thread on rituals. He has a 180 degree opposite view. He has spent his life time in studying rituals, especially Hindu rituals.

Without giving a shred of evidence you have asserted the opposite. Such bland averments make your scholarship suspect and agenda based, notwithstanding the obeisance your posts get from the "faithfuls" over here.

Frits Staal and other historians such as Priyatosh Banerjee have dealt with the subject of creating elaborate yagnas -- this happened during the period of composition of the brahmanas (texts). That is, these rituals were created in kuru-panchala region during a specific period of time. They did not exist before that. The way rituals are performed do change with time. Once upon a time animals were sacrificed in yagnas, now they are not. Even simple rituals like punyahavachanam are not really constant, today any fruit readily available is used to represent the navagrahas.

 

[palindrome]

So my dear Vaagmi..your "Sattva Gene Theory" remains a Kha Puspha (Flowers in the Sky)!LOL

More like BS in the sky, i'd say.

 

[Vaagmi]

aaah vaagmi , you betray your age sir.

there are no more hippies anywhere. in fact they are gone since the 80s. most of the folks anywhere under 35 would not know what it means. with exceptions ofcourse

If you really want to know ask Fritjof Capra. By his own admission he was a hippie for some time. He is a particle physicist and writer of top class books. He may be able to answer you.

 

[renuka]

I am trying to figure this sentence out:

1) Have gun; (and) will travel!
2) Have gun; (and you) will travel!
3) Have gun? (then I) will travel!
4) Have (how) gun will travel!(?)
5) None of the above, but somethng else. (then pls clarify)

I dont know yaar..I dont come with a gun!

Ask the gun how it travels!LOL

 

[Vaagmi]

Dear Vaagmi Ji,


So my dear Vaagmi..your "Sattva Gene Theory" remains a Kha Puspha (Flowers in the Sky)!LOL

Where did you get this sattva gene theory? Quote Chapter and verse please as my learned professor has taught me, now, now, right now.

 

[auh]

I dont know yaar..I dont come with a gun!

Ask the gun how it travels!LOL

My doubt was about the structure of the sentence; not about the kinetics of the gun !

 

[Vaagmi]

More like BS in the sky, i'd say.

palindrome needs a quick advice from a doctor for her obsession with BS. Renuka please try your hand of course with gloves.

 

[renuka]

dear Renukaji,

I have no sattva gene theory. Ok. That having been settled, let us for the purpose of discussion the sattvik culture's impact on genes(what I have been telling all along). Why do you want to bring in complicated panchikarana into the picture. Many of the members here may not like it or may not understand it as they may not have the time to study vedanta. I can give you my answer in a simple way which you can understand easily and to which you can relate easily.

Saibaba when he took his food (breakfast, lunch or dinner) he was rajasic predominently. When he slept in the night he was tamasic predominantly. When he gave lectures or met his devotees he was predominantly saatvik. Now what do you call saibaba? Was he a saatvik individual or a tamasic individual or a rajasic individual? The guna which is predominent determines one's personality. Dont you think so?

Think about it. There you have the answer to your questions.

Dear Vaagmi Ji,

You make me laugh!

Firstly you talk about Sattva Genes and now you openly claim you do not have a Theory.

Then you somehow actually feel and conclude that members might not be interested in Panchikarana and worse still might not understand it!

You know..if I have no answers I just say I don't know and never assume other members do not know.

 

[renuka]

Where did you get this sattva gene theory? Quote Chapter and verse please as my learned professor has taught me, now, now, right now.

Dear Vaagmi Ji,

From you off course!

Having Amnesia?

 

[palindrome]

palindrome needs a quick advice from a doctor for her obsession with BS. Renuka please try your hand of course with gloves.

the one doing all the BS needs a quicker examination, perhaps a psychiatrist's intervention too...and renu won't try the BS guy. lol.

 

[renuka]

palindrome needs a quick advice from a doctor for her obsession with BS. Renuka please try your hand of course with gloves.

Dear Vaagmi ji,

Hey Didle Diddle
The cat and the fiddle
The cow jumped over the moon
The little dog laughed to see such sport and the dish ran away with the spoon.


Ok you see..since the Cow jumped over the moon..on the way back to earth it cleared its bowels mid air!LOL

 

[renuka]

My doubt was about the structure of the sentence; not about the kinetics of the gun !

Oh..I was talking about kinetics of the gun.

You see when gun works..it travels..BTW a constant supply of bullets is always there..so there is no actual sacrifice.

 

[palindrome]

Dear Vaagmi ji,

Hey Didle Diddle
The cat and the fiddle
The cow jumped over the moon
The little dog laughed to see such sport and the dish ran away with the spoon.


Ok you see..since the Cow jumped over the moon..on the way back to earth it cleared its bowels mid air!LOL

that's perfect BS in the sky And the BS smelled of flowers (kha pushpa), still the cow believed its own theory to be true amnesia or not.

 

[Vaagmi]

Dear Vaagmi Ji,

You make me laugh!

Firstly you talk about Sattva Genes and now you openly claim you do not have a Theory.

Then you somehow actually feel and conclude that members might not be interested in Panchikarana and worse still might not understand it!

You know..if I have no answers I just say I don't know and never assume other members do not know.

Please tell me what do you have to say about saibaba. Selective amnesia is extremely dangerous.

 

[Vaagmi]

Dear Vaagmi Ji,

From you off course!

Having Amnesia?

Come on be on course. Give me the chapter and verse.

 

[Vaagmi]

Oh..I was talking about kinetics of the gun.

You see when gun works..it travels..BTW a constant supply of bullets is always there..so there is no actual sacrifice.

Is the gun a recoilless one or not. On that depends the travelling.

 

[auh]

You see when gun works..it travels..BTW a constant supply of bullets is always there..so there is no actual sacrifice.

Ok. But a constant supply does not imply that the bullets that have gone out are not sacrifices. That fact stays irrespective of the replenishment.