Naryana & Navagraha

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Dear Sir,

There are a few rules and protocols that the seers are supposed to follow.

But most of the saivite seers chant the name 'Narayana'.

And ............... I don't wish to drag this topic for ever! :nono:

BTW, I shall take a break for a few days from forum. So :wave: for now!

Instead of smiley waving bye-bye, you should say 'narayana-narayana' and 'siva-siva' LoL

 

[Raji Ram]

Instead of smiley waving bye-bye, you should say 'narayana-narayana' and 'siva-siva' LoL

Got up early to check for any reply! Good idea given by you.

But I say 'adak kadavuLE' to show surprise and type TTTT when bidding goodbye! The smiley = TTTT !

P.S: TTTT = TaTa Till Then!

 

[Raji Ram]

Someone was upset by seeing :lol: smiley that I use often!

I use it because it seems lol means Loads of Love too!! :lol:

 

[CHANDRU1849]

Dear Sir,

I had four years of hostel life during P U C and B Sc courses. I had a few good Muslim and Christian friends there. We always went to

the dining hall together. We never felt that we belonged to different religions because Maths was our strong connection! Even now,

those who have IC or IR weddings in my extended family,choose my house to have lunch / dinner. I value only the good nature!

But, so far, none of them have refused to have food with us!

First, hostel life is different. We will have to live with people following different customs and conventions.

Secondly, you have missed my point. Suppose some of your friends from other religions are very strong in their faith and do not take anything from your house, will you maintain your relationship with them, as in the case of your vaishnavite friend?

 

[Vaagmi]

RRji,

Quickly agree with our Staunch Smartha Friend (SSF) and say "Down with Vaishnavites". And to add pep post an appropriate smilie also so that you can escape from further pestering.

 

[Raji Ram]

1. First, hostel life is different. We will have to live with people following different customs and conventions.

2. Secondly, you have missed my point. Suppose some of your friends from other religions are very strong in their faith and do not take anything from your house, will you maintain your relationship with them, as in the case of your vaishnavite friend?

1. Thanks for agreeing!

2. Oh! That!! Yes I shall be their friend and respect their views!!

 

[Raji Ram]

.... Quickly agree with our Staunch Smartha Friend (SSF) and say "Down with Vaishnavites". And to add pep post an appropriate smilie also so that you can escape from further pestering.

Good idea, Vaagmi Sir!

But unless someone keeps pestering, how will this thread grow, till J J Ji is back!

P.S: Shall continue after a short break - may be ten days!! :car:

ray: Let all the bhakthAs of Lord Shiva and Lord Vishnu be friends for ever! :grouphug:

 

[CHANDRU1849]

1. Thanks for agreeing!

2. Oh! That!! Yes I shall be their friend and respect their views!!

Madam,

This is real secularism.

However, one of my ex-colleagues (Tirunelveli Iyer) was not moving freely with NBs and colleagues from other religions; whereas very friendly with colleagues from other B caste, despite knowing full well they didn't like Iyers.

 

[vgane]

Madam,

This is real secularism.

However, one of my ex-colleagues (Tirunelveli Iyer) was not moving freely with NBs and colleagues from other religions; whereas very friendly with colleagues from other B caste, despite knowing full well they didn't like Iyers.

I pity that Iyer for not getting along with NB's..May be it is decades back....As regards other B caste, isolated incidents should not be treated as widespread & given undue weightage

Now is the time for B's to be united and at the same time be friendly with other NB castes....This is not a need but a necessity for social survival, peaceful coexistence and mutual progress

 

[CHANDRU1849]

I pity that Iyer for not getting along with NB's..May be it is decades back....As regards other B caste, isolated incidents should not be treated as widespread & given undue weightage

Now is the time for B's to be united and at the same time be friendly with other NB castes....This is not a need but a necessity for social survival, peaceful coexistence and mutual progress

I cited the above case as an example, which happened two decades back.

The subject of unity among Bs is being spoken time and again. Unless a common ideology among Bs in TN, unity is only wild dream, and will remain only as an unholy alliance.

Kapaleeswarar Temple festival is going in full swing. Only Smarthas could be seen in the festival, apart from NBs. What do you mean by isolated incident? Is not vising Shaivite temples by other Bs, even during festival times, or following strict caste code an isolated incident?

 

[tbs]

hi

i visited sri rangam/triplicane parthasarathy kovil om VAUKUNTA EDADASI DAYS.....not only me,,,many smarthas visiting perumal

kovil on vaikunta ekadasi dday.......BUT NO VAISHNAVAS IN SHIVA TEMPLE DURING MAHA SHIVARATHRI DAY.....i agreed withu

so i used to say ..SMARTHAS ARE MORE INCLUSIVE....VAISHNAVAS ARE VERY EXCLUSIVE....sometimes vaishnavas behave BRAHMIN

TALIBANS.....sometimes like HINDU CATHOLICS.......

 

[CHANDRU1849]

hi

i visited sri rangam/triplicane parthasarathy kovil om VAUKUNTA EDADASI DAYS.....not only me,,,many smarthas visiting perumal

kovil on vaikunta ekadasi dday.......BUT NO VAISHNAVAS IN SHIVA TEMPLE DURING MAHA SHIVARATHRI DAY.....i agreed withu

so i used to say ..SMARTHAS ARE MORE INCLUSIVE....VAISHNAVAS ARE VERY EXCLUSIVE....sometimes vaishnavas behave BRAHMIN

TALIBANS.....sometimes like HINDU CATHOLICS.......

One member seriously talks about unity. I am sure he will reply to your post.

Unholy alliance will never succeed, waster of time and energy.

 

[renuka]

I pity that Iyer for not getting along with NB's..May be it is decades back....As regards other B caste, isolated incidents should not be treated as widespread & given undue weightage

Now is the time for B's to be united and at the same time be friendly with other NB castes....This is not a need but a necessity for social survival, peaceful coexistence and mutual progress

Does a person's caste matter when making friends?

My best friend till today is a Jaat.

One of my good online friend is a Bengali.

One of my very good friend in college was a Hebbar Iyengar.

People just make friends..caste or community does not matter.

 

[renuka]

..vaishnavas are very exclusive....sometimes vaishnavas behave brahmin

talibans.....sometimes like hindu catholics.......

lol!

 

[talwan]

hi

i visited sri rangam/triplicane parthasarathy kovil om VAUKUNTA EDADASI DAYS.....not only me,,,many smarthas visiting perumal

kovil on vaikunta ekadasi dday.......BUT NO VAISHNAVAS IN SHIVA TEMPLE DURING MAHA SHIVARATHRI DAY.....i agreed withu

so i used to say ..SMARTHAS ARE MORE INCLUSIVE....VAISHNAVAS ARE VERY EXCLUSIVE....sometimes vaishnavas behave BRAHMIN

TALIBANS.....sometimes like HINDU CATHOLICS.......

Sir,
Days have changed,
I have gone on a pilrimage to Kailsah,Pasupathinath etc,
I am a Vaishnavite (so called).
Alwan

 

[Vaagmi]

hi

i visited sri rangam/triplicane parthasarathy kovil om VAUKUNTA EDADASI DAYS.....not only me,,,many smarthas visiting perumal kovil on vaikunta ekadasi dday.......

BUT NO VAISHNAVAS IN SHIVA TEMPLE DURING MAHA SHIVARATHRI DAY.....

i agreed withu

so i used to say ..SMARTHAS ARE MORE INCLUSIVE....VAISHNAVAS ARE VERY EXCLUSIVE....sometimes vaishnavas behave BRAHMIN TALIBANS.....sometimes like HINDU CATHOLICS.......

God is just one and not many. The very idea of a God requires that condition to be fulfilled.People call Him by different names. You obviously agree with this principle.

So you visited Srirangam, Triplicane etc., temples besides your regular visits to Mylapore, Tanjore, Madurai etc., temples.

Why did you not visit Moinuddin Chishti's Dargah or the Ajmir Dargah to offer a qurbani?

Why did you not visit the Basilica in San Thome in Chennai to offer prayers there? It is very near Mylapore.

Is there a Christian God and a Moslem God who are not your God?

So you are less than half inclusive or selectively inclusive whereas the Vaishnavas choose to remain fully exclusive. So Saivites and Vaishnavas are on the same boat or similar boats. LOL.

Let them be happy with their belief just as you want to be happy with your belief. Why have gripes and keep ranting about it here again and again?

You become qualified to speak about Vaishnava's exclusiveness only when you go about kissing every christian/moslem in the town and survive to come and tell the story here. Till then your rants will be read with the contempt they deserve rightly.

Vaishnavites are not saivites and they have their own reasons and rights for worshiping their God by a certain name. Christians do that and Moslems do that and every believer does that according to his religion and belief system. Period. If you don't understand this simple logic do not come here to rant again about the great smarthas/saivites visiting vishnu temples, keeping vishnu's name etc.,

 

[CHANDRU1849]

All Religions and the various sub sects of those religions have their own exclusiveness.

Similarly, Smarthas have also exclusive customs and conventions, which are not being followed scrupulously. Shiva is the central figure and other Gods are his followers. If this concept is properly understood, Smarthas outlook will change. There is no need to follow vaishnavite custom whenever a Smartha visits a vaishnavite temple. We can offer our respect and come.

Since Smarthas worship Perumal also, there is a general belief that we will have to go with vaishnavite Bs, which, I feel, is not necessary. We can follow our customs competently without depending on others.

 

[sarang]

Sane and sensible!

. We can follow our customs competently without depending on others.

 

[tbs]

God is just one and not many. The very idea of a God requires that condition to be fulfilled.People call Him by different names. You obviously agree with this principle.

So you visited Srirangam, Triplicane etc., temples besides your regular visits to Mylapore, Tanjore, Madurai etc., temples.

Why did you not visit Moinuddin Chishti's Dargah or the Ajmir Dargah to offer a qurbani?

Why did you not visit the Basilica in San Thome in Chennai to offer prayers there? It is very near Mylapore.

Is there a Christian God and a Moslem God who are not your God?

So you are less than half inclusive or selectively inclusive whereas the Vaishnavas choose to remain fully exclusive. So Saivites and Vaishnavas are on the same boat or similar boats. LOL.

Let them be happy with their belief just as you want to be happy with your belief. Why have gripes and keep ranting about it here again and again?

You become qualified to speak about Vaishnava's exclusiveness only when you go about kissing every christian/moslem in the town and survive to come and tell the story here. Till then your rants will be read with the contempt they deserve rightly.

Vaishnavites are not saivites and they have their own reasons and rights for worshiping their God by a certain name. Christians do that and Moslems do that and every believer does that according to his religion and belief system. Period. If you don't understand this simple logic do not come here to rant again about the great smarthas/saivites visiting vishnu temples, keeping vishnu's name etc.,

hi

in fact i like santhome church mylapore regular visit....especially on christmas/new year eve....i dont have problem .....just info....

not only me...my many smartha friends used to visit....i never had problem......IT IS BETTER THAN VAISHNAVA GHOSTI.....

 

[Janaki Jambunathan]

Temples are closed even when there is death in the vicinity; opened afterwards.

I had to leave Srivilliputur without a Darshan for this reason! But this seems to be not the case with all temples. I was in Pasupathinath temple which has a cremation Ghat in its court yard! Dead bodies are burnt 24 X 7 The shutters of temple are not pulled down Shiva is known to dance to Glory in SUDU KAADU

 

[renuka]

I had to leave Srivilliputur without a Darshan for this reason! But this seems to be not the case with all temples. I was in Pasupathinath temple which has a cremation Ghat in its court yard! Dead bodies are burnt 24 X 7 The shutters of temple are not pulled down Shiva is known to dance to Glory in SUDU KAADU

Makes sense..in fact I find it strange that if a temple closes for a short while if there is death in the vicinity.
Death happens everywhere second and everywhere in this world...going by that logic no temple can be ever opened.

Sometimes I get a feeling its we humans that come up with some rules and regulations that could have had reasons that were never known.

That is we need to know when the temple closing due to death in the vicinity started?

Was it in a time and era where the village was hit by a communicable disease?
So it could have started as preventive measure to limit exposure to a communicable disease and it got passed down without anyone knowing the actual reason and it became a ritual.

 

[Janaki Jambunathan]

God is just one and not many. The very idea of a God requires that condition to be fulfilled.People call Him by different names. You obviously agree with this principle.

So you visited Srirangam, Triplicane etc., temples besides your regular visits to Mylapore, Tanjore, Madurai etc., temples.

Why did you not visit Moinuddin Chishti's Dargah or the Ajmir Dargah to offer a qurbani?

Why did you not visit the Basilica in San Thome in Chennai to offer prayers there? It is very near Mylapore.

Is there a Christian God and a Moslem God who are not your God?

So you are less than half inclusive or selectively inclusive whereas the Vaishnavas choose to remain fully exclusive. So Saivites and Vaishnavas are on the same boat or similar boats. LOL.

Let them be happy with their belief just as you want to be happy with your belief. Why have gripes and keep ranting about it here again and again?

You become qualified to speak about Vaishnava's exclusiveness only when you go about kissing every christian/moslem in the town and survive to come and tell the story here. Till then your rants will be read with the contempt they deserve rightly.

Vaishnavites are not saivites and they have their own reasons and rights for worshiping their God by a certain name. Christians do that and Moslems do that and every believer does that according to his religion and belief system. Period. If you don't understand this simple logic do not come here to rant again about the great smarthas/saivites visiting vishnu temples, keeping vishnu's name etc.,

Instead we can pray at Ramanujas Durga in Srirangam if it is his body buried there or Pray to his mummifid body like that of saimt Thomas

I did see some Vaishnavites with Y or U on their forehead during my visit to Nagore Durga and Velamganni 2years back I Would go about kissing them and never brand them as igmorant vaishnava as you do in such situations! They are not ignorant either in scriptures or in Academics I know one is a qualified paediatrician settled in Madras after about 15 years of work experiance in US! to be in the Kancheepuram Vaishnavate environment!

 

[Janaki Jambunathan]

Makes sense..in fact I find it strange that if a temple closes for a short while if there is death in the vicinity.
Death happens everywhere second and everywhere in this world...going by that logic no temple can be ever opened.

Sometimes I get a feeling its we humans that come up with some rules and regulations that could have had reasons that were never known.

That is we need to know when the temple closing due to death in the vicinity started?

Was it in a time and era where the village was hit by a communicable disease?
So it could have started as preventive measure to limit exposure to a communicable disease and it got passed down without anyone knowing the actual reason and it became a ritual.

It does make sense if you are preparing & ready to die!
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One of the most sacred Hindu temples of Nepal - Pashupatinath Temple is located on both banks of Bagmati River on the eastern outskirts of Kathmandu.
Pashupatinath is the most important temple dedicated to god Shiva. Every year this temple attracts hundreds of elderly followers of Hinduism.
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Pashupatinath during Shivaratri © Fernando Zarur​

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They arrive here to find shelter for the last several weeks of their lives, to meet death, be cremated on the banks of the river and travel their last journey with the waters of the sacred river Bagmati, which later meets the holy river Ganges. Hinduists from every corner of Nepal and India are arriving here to die.
It is believed that those who die in Pashupatinath Temple are reborn as a human, regardless of any misconduct that could worsen their karma. The exact day of their death is predicted by astrologers of the temple. If you are attracted to the places where the spirit of death can be felt, then consider Pashupatinath as your first destination. It is a temple with special atmosphere of death; death is present in almost every ritual and every corner of it.

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Pashupatinath Temple complex © Ananta[/TD]
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The main temple of Pashupatinath is a building with a bunk roof and a golden spire.

It is located on the Western bank of Bagmati and is considered a masterpiece of Hindu architecture.
It is a cubic construction with four main doors, all covered with silver sheets.
The two-storied roof is made from copper and is covered with gold. This richly decorated temple with wooden sculptures is believed to make wishes come true. One of the most astonishing decorations of the temple is the huge golden statue of Nandi - Shiva’s bull.
Only followers of Hinduism can enter the main temple, but all the other buildings are available for foreigners to visit. From the Eastern bank of the river the main temple can be seen in its whole beauty. The western bank of Bagmati also hosts the so called Panch Deval (Five temples) complex, which once was a holy shrine but now serves a shelter for destitute old people.
Numerous religious buildings are also located on the eastern bank of Bagmati, most of them are devoted to Shiva. The majority of these buildings are small single storey constructions made from stone. From the outside these buildings are reminding crypts, but in reality these are sacral buildings, created for holding the symbol of the deity Shiva - lingam (erect phallus). Lingams can be found all over the complex.
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Funeral Pyres at Pashupatinath © Richard Mortel[/TD]
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Along the right bank of Bagmati numerous platforms for funeral pyres are built. The cremations on these platforms are a common activity.
Usually tourists have the chance to see at least one open-air cremation.
The majority of religious rituals are culturally unusual and even mind-blowing for Westerners, but probably the most culturally unusual thing in Pashupatinath is the specific smell of cremated bodies. Unlike any expectation the smell has nothing in common with the smell of decaying flesh, but rather reminds the smell of clabber mixed with different spices.
Another culturally shocking thing in Pashupatinath is the image of local women washing clothes downstream the river. The waters of Bagmati contain animal fat because of the ashes of cremated Shiva followers and easily wash the dirt from linen. It is believed that this is how the soap was invented.
As far as Shiva is considered the patron of animals and all living organisms, monkeys and deers are wandering all around the temple complex on both banks of Bagmati. Monkeys are very often unfriendly, they beg for food, snatch things from careless tourists and may even be dangerous.
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It is also very common to meet sadhus in Pahsupathinath.
Sadhus are wandering ascetic yogis, who are trying to acquire liberation from the cycle of death and rebirth by meditating.
They have very unique appearance with specific yellow paintings on their bodies.

 

[CHANDRU1849]

Nepal was once the only Hindu Kingdom in the world and that status has been lost.

The country is heading for a Communist regime.

We, the Hindus, unfortunately, have no permanent space.

 

[sarang]

India is a Hindu country and will remain the karmabhumi of hindus. Vivekanananda's voice, wake up Hindus, has been heard by many now.