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Pl don’t listen to wrong people/wrong advise !!

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PS: This post is NOT applicable for people living overseas, since they have a different set of standards in raising kids !!

First off – Pl don’t listen to any of the wrong people & their wrong advise. All the advise, saying love your kids, don’t reprimand them, if love is strong it may come back blah blah blah crp crp crp. :)

In short: when it comes to lifestyle, marriage, parenting & food – just follow our south Indian tradition – be docile, soft, don’t be over ambitious etc.. similary on the food – just follow the ancient food habits – never deviate one bit unless advised by a Doctor, & similarly for marriage & for parenting.

A distraught father came to me one day & cried that his daughter (30 yrs) is refusing all alliances & he doesn’t know what to do. I told him –“Shevuta kati rande Kuduppa, everything will be alright….” Initially he was shocked, then he went and did as I told, gave a absolute dressing down to his daughter, & she got married in 45 days !, she said yes to the next alliance & now all are happy. Years of self created suffering was over in a matter of hours. Today he always to refers our discussion to all.

So when it comes to parenting, do exactly like out grand parents/parents did. Just forget the love shove crap, kids have to come up in discipline.

Infact I once met a 45+ yr old lady who is happily married. She comes from a very rich Iyengar family & when we were discussing similar issues, she told that her father went on a fast to force her to marry at 25 yrs. She was extremely unhappy when this happened & under pressure married the next alliance that came. Now after 20 yrs, she realized what a great gift her father did, many of her class mate friends are unmarried & suffering in life. Her husband turned out to be a great friend & supporter for her, to build her career & manage 3 kids.

See, all of you need to understand, kids unfortunately do not have the wisdom at that age, it comes from experience. If as parents people don’t advise their kids, then they will go astray !! that advise many times, will come only when you do a “Shevuta kati… dressing down”..

Similarly when it comes to marriage, go with the Jadgams where possible, go with arranged marriage instead of love/shove crp. These are tried & tested for 1000s of generations.

Similarly when it comes to food, conservative lifestyle.

One of the people I happened to know is a UP friend, he settled in south decades back & he did extremely well. He was very aggressive, bought 4 houses, 5 sites & huge mortgage & successfully paid off. He had 3 kids who were similarly very aggressive. He always used to tell me – you south Indians are very docile, soft, & you are losing out on life. I always used to say, maybe, but our south culture is the safest & culture always defines our decision, a aggressive culture will lead to aggressive behavior. We used to laugh over it & agreed to disagree.

Now fastforward - his first son was killed in a road accident, his second son was beaten on the road due to a silly fight & he died of sever injuries. His daughter is unmarried, a drunkard & is a full time alcoholic !! Once in a while he will come to meet me when I am in India. He will say – JK, I will give up everything for my kids to be alive & safe. I always remember our conservation – culture defines our decision & cries over it .

I can continue to write on many many such tragedies. Pl be aware of what will happen if you listen to the new age tid bit time passer comments.
 
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PS: This post is NOT applicable for people living overseas, since they have a different set of standards in raising kids !!


What is this???

Times have changed all over the world..not only outside India.

I cant stop laughing reading this:

“Shevuta kati rande Kuduppa, everything will be alright….”

And the next story you wrote:


Infact I once met a 45+ yr old lady who is happily married. She comes from a very rich Iyengar family & when we were discussing similar issues, she told that her father went on a fast to force her to marry at 25 yrs. She was extremely unhappy when this happened & under pressure married the next alliance that came. Now after 20 yrs, she realized what a great [COLOR=#DA7911 !important]gift her[/COLOR] father did, many of her class mate friends are unmarried & suffering in life. Her husband turned out to be a great friend & supporter for her, to build her career & manage 3 kids.

You see that lady must have loved someone before and did not get a chance to marry the boy she loved...her father then forced her to get married to some other person..

You see a women's mind is like a computer...initially when she loves some guy..she will be nuts about him..then after a while if she does not get a chance to marry him..she will feel sad for a while...then when she gets married to another guy..the memory of the old love will be in recycle bin of her mind which can be retrieved if wanted...after a while she will clear the cache and also empty the recycle bin and the memory of the guy is deleted.

By then she also would have got used to her husband and some also initially dislike their husband and after a while like a captive who eventually get Stockholm syndrome..she gets used to him and stays with him.

BTW I do not see why you are so anti Love marriage..name me one Hindu Deva/Devi who had an arranged marriage.

All Devas were happily falling in love or busy even chasing other man's wife(Indra -Ahalya episode).

So I wonder where this tradition of arrange marriage came from??

May be somewhere outside India?? Since we Indians love to have an invasion theory!
 
Hi Renuka,

The reason I mentioned not applicable to people living overseas is because in foreign countries they take offence at parents reprimanding their kids & child healthcare services take the kids away. Hence the disclaimer.

I am not against love marriage, but it mostly fails because as kids, they are prone to making mistakes & marrying the wrong people.

Arranged/Jatakam based wedding comes from huge learnings over 1000s of generations & hence it is always better to go with tried & tested methods than to experiment with life. These experiments can be very costly, hence my advise to go with arranged marriage as much as possible,

Cheers,
 
Hi Renuka,

The reason I mentioned not applicable to people living overseas is because in foreign countries they take offence at parents reprimanding their kids & child healthcare services take the kids away. Hence the disclaimer.

I am not against love marriage, but it mostly fails because as kids, they are prone to making mistakes & marrying the wrong people.

Arranged/Jatakam based wedding comes from huge learnings over 1000s of generations & hence it is always better to go with tried & tested methods than to experiment with life. These experiments can be very costly, hence my advise to go with arranged marriage as much as possible,

Cheers,

Dear JK,

We can never predict the future...even though I had an arranged marriage I would not say it is superior to a love marriage or a love marriage is superior to an arranged marriage.

My marriage broke the family tradition of love marriages in my family.

Both my parents and my inlaws had love marriage.

Even my paternal/maternal grandparents had love marriage.

Even my husband's paternal/maternal grandparents had love marriage.

Even my maternal great grandparents had love that too IR marriage.

All of them were happily married.

So my marriage was the 1st arranged marriage for both sides!


Marriages are the same...love or arranged can land up in divorce if one does not make it work.
 
Hi Renuka, your family definitely is an exception where it has worked very well. But you have to look at the statistics across all arranged vs love marriages. from my/my friends experience, the love marriages have been mostly a failure or been a very rocky journey for them. Cheers,
 
You see that lady must have loved someone before and did not get a chance to marry the boy she loved...her father then forced her to get married to some other person..

You see a women's mind is like a computer...initially when she loves some guy..she will be nuts about him..then after a while if she does not get a chance to marry him..she will feel sad for a while...then when she gets married to another guy..the memory of the old love will be in recycle bin of her mind which can be retrieved if wanted...after a while she will clear the cache and also empty the recycle bin and the memory of the guy is deleted.

By then she also would have got used to her husband and some also initially dislike their husband and after a while like a captive who eventually get Stockholm syndrome..she gets used to him and stays with him.
probably one of the most interesting way to describe a woman's mind - LOL !!
 
When it comes to marriage "Yad Bhavam Tad Bhavati"(you become whatever you think).

So whatever marriage it is... Love or Arranged...if we enter it with a mind set that it will succeed it will succeed..if we enter it with a mindset that we hope it will succeed..there might be some ups and downs..but if we fear whether it will succeed or not..mostly it will fail.

So the right mindset is important and parents also should not be too negative about Love Marriages..cos negative vibes from parents itself can influence the mind of children to fight with spouse.
 
Sir, I have just two doubts...

Can I be sure that you are the
right person giving the right advice???

Can you explain the highlighted words?

I told him –“Shevuta kati rande Kuduppa, everything will be alright….” Initially he was shocked, then he went and did as I told, gave a absolute dressing down to his daughter, & she got married in 45 days !, she said yes to the next alliance & now all are happy. Years of self created suffering was over in a matter of hours. Today he always to refers our discussion to all.
 
yes, I am the right person giving right advise - why ?, because all I am saying is follow the ancient wisdom - don't experiment with your lives, it is not worth the problems. Shevuta Kati ... means - pl give a royal dressing down to your kid, if he or she is refusing to marry due to silly reasons !!
 
Now you are confusing me even more!!!
What language is that “Shevuta kati rande Kuduppa???
I do not know the meaning of giving royal dressing down either!!!
 
Dear VR ji,


What JK means is "tie the person to some pillar and bash the living day lights out of the person"

But you see these days boyfriend will come to the rescue and emerge from the pillar ala Narasimha and rip apart the father of the girl!LOL
 
Dear Renu,
With the mobile in hand (like the kavacha kundalam of Karna)
the girl and her friend would have gone far far away
beore the father can think up a plan
to tie her to a pillar and bash the day light out of her.
 
A word of caution here:

Please do not tie anyone to a pillar and hit the person.

What if you injure the person or what if the person commits suicide after that?

Do not force anyone to do what we think is right cos opinions might differ.

What if a person chooses to end his/her life after being forced into marriage by parents.

As it is life is stressful these days..so added stress will make a person lose control..those days life was fairly simple...wake up ..pray..eat..work few hours..procreate and sleep...that is why people had many children cos procreation was a recreation.

People of yesteryears started having sex at an early age and some were almost "pedophiles"(Ha Ha Ha) having underaged wife!LOL

So they had their endorphins released at a very much earlier age than boys and girls of this era.
Even while typing this I can hear the silent cry of bachelors of this forum who still can't get a spouse...so I feel Jaykay's sir method is risky and dangerous and might have severe consequences.

So best is leave everything to God..we can never predict the future even for ourselves...we have no idea what will happen..just do our duty as parents..show love and not force..if everything fails..still do not fear cos as Hindus we can always blame Karma!LOL
 
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A word of caution here:

Please do not tie anyone to a pillar and hit the person.

What if you injure the person or what if the person commits suicide after that?

Do not force anyone to do what we think is right cos opinions might differ.

What if a person chooses to end his/her life after being forced into marriage by parents.

As it is life is stressful these days..so added stress will make a person lose control..those days life was fairly simple...wake up ..pray..eat..work few hours..procreate and sleep...that is why people had many children cos procreation was a recreation.

People of yesteryears started having sex at an early age and some were almost "pedophiles"(Ha Ha Ha) having underaged wife!LOL

So they had their endorphins released at a very much earlier age than boys and girls of this era.
Even while typing this I can hear the silent cry of bachelors of this forum who still can't get a spouse...so I feel Jaykay's sir method is risky and dangerous and might have severe consequences.

So best is leave everything to God..we can never predict the future even for ourselves...we have no idea what will happen..just do our duty as parents..show love and not force..if everything fails..still do not fear cos as Hindus we can always blame Karma!LOL

Renu,
I thought you live outside India, and as such should not be in this thread. LOL
The op is a hoot, and it is oxymoron to expect any reasonable discussion.
 
Even while typing this I can hear the silent cry of bachelors of this forum who still can't get a spouse...L

The silent cry of the bachelors is mostly not for not getting a spouse BUT most importantly for realizing the fact that getting a true spouse with true sense, from the same TB community, in this era, is near to impossibility. And for the fact that the parents of the girls and the guys are made to undergo worries, pains and suffering.

This is what is the center theme of this thread itself, in which, the importance of correct upbringing of the children is highlighted, following the Indian culture and not aping the West. If parents are responsible, matured, disciplined and smart, they would neither invite troubles for themselves nor for other children and parents of other children. The right upbringing unfortunately fails too BUT those cases would be the very exceptional cases.




 
PS: This post is NOT applicable for people living overseas, since they have a different set of standards in raising kids !!

Very true!! But a small correction.

It should be rephrased as -

"PS: This post is NOT applicable for people living overseas and have adopted western model of parenting, willingly or unwillingly, since they have a different set of standards in raising kids !!

 
I believe there is a software inside each of us
and it decides what we do and don't do.

Our Karma and praarabdham are in that software
and nothing much can be done to change it
either by violence or non violence
or by counseling or by condemning.

The other name for our life is Destiny.
 
Is the Title " Pl don’t listen to wrong people/wrong advise !! " applicable only for marriage?

As regards marriage, regardless of Love or Arranged, the success lies in many factors, essentially Love, Understanding, Adjustment, Sacrifice etc between the Husband and Wife.

Praarabdham, Karma, Destiny, Horoscope etc etc are superstitions.

"Vidhiyai Madhiyaal Vellalaam"
 
I believe there is a software inside each of us
and it decides what we do and don't do.

Our Karma and praarabdham are in that software
and nothing much can be done to change it
either by violence or non violence
or by counseling or by condemning.

The other name for our life is Destiny.

You are right. No two person can have identical views. So each is going to choose their own path. Generalizations based on one single sample is little ..............
So advice can only be taken so far, rest is an individuals own journey.
 

OMG! 30 year old lady is called and treated as a 'kid'?? :dizzy:

Only today I wrote in another thread than Indian parents consider the children as 'kOndhai' for life time! :baby:
 
First question: Are your ancestors Indians or Malaysians? Still 80% of the marriages are arranged marriages in india.

Arranged marriage means, even if the boy and the girl know each other, the process of getting them married is done by the parents of both.

If the boy and the girl understand and follow the mantras and the vows they take, then the 'union' is for life.

Dear JK,

We can never predict the future...even though I had an arranged marriage I would not say it is superior to a love marriage or a love marriage is superior to an arranged marriage.

My marriage broke the family tradition of love marriages in my family.

Both my parents and my inlaws had love marriage.

Even my paternal/maternal grandparents had love marriage.

Even my husband's paternal/maternal grandparents had love marriage.

Even my maternal great grandparents had love that too IR marriage.

All of them were happily married.

So my marriage was the 1st arranged marriage for both sides!


Marriages are the same...love or arranged can land up in divorce if one does not make it work.
 
I believe in the example given, the girl refused to marry. Where is the nrisimha boyfriend?

If the boy is so willing, why the girl did not run away?

Dear VR ji,


What JK means is "tie the person to some pillar and bash the living day lights out of the person"

But you see these days boyfriend will come to the rescue and emerge from the pillar ala Narasimha and rip apart the father of the girl!LOL
 
Dear VR ji,


What JK means is "tie the person to some pillar and bash the living day lights out of the person"

But you see these days boyfriend will come to the rescue and emerge from the pillar ala Narasimha and rip apart the father of the girl!LOL

Renuka: that's is an extreme interpretation of the tamil slang words I mentioned. It was also pun intented. But the message is that parents have to discipline their kids (of course not by beating them !!) to ensure they take the right decision. They cannot let them all freedom & then cry that their kids are not taking the right decision. that's the price that comes from freedom. American fathers will give full freedom & even the kid marries or doesn't marry, they are not bothered. But our Indian parents are distraught when the kids don't marry. so parents need to realize they cannot have the cake & eat it too. ie give too much freedom & then miraculously expect their kids to marry at the right age to the right person etc...
 
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