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Pl don’t listen to wrong people/wrong advise !!

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i think the opening post of this thread, if not meant seriously by the author, would have been a good candidate for black humour :)

i think, long gone are the days, when one could threaten, scold, anger, anguish, beg, or blackmail one's son or daughter, to submission. there are many factors, of which all of us are familiar, - ie education, urban life, changed and constantly changing mores, technology, and above all, often left unsaid, the double values and hypocracy of the parents.

many of the lectures of the parents, i think, are born out of fear. fear of the unknown. what if my child marries out of caste? what will then happen to me? will i be left in the streets in my old age? will i lose respect within my family and friends? will my dil behave the same way my mother behaved to my wife (the traditional mil dils)?

it would have worked in my generation. my mother would have gone through all loops and hoops, to prevent me, not only marrying out of caste, but to insist that i marry the girl of her picking (i did!). fear of authority worked then. i dont know if the situation is the same now.

also, there were few role models then. now we have not only public figures, but almost in atleast one family that we know, one oddity - ie someone single for life or IC/IR marriage. funnily enough the children of the IR/IC marriages of yester years, many of them are in the arranged marriage market. not sure how these are faring in our caste jadhagam 'respect' driven society - i mean not just us tambrams, but other tamil hindus.

if at all anything, i have come to understand, thanks to neeya naana, that the rigidity of caste is firm with most of the rural and NB groups, than us. it has been mentioned in a couple of NN episodes, that tambrams are very liberal in their attitude re IC marriages. to someone expecting an armed posse, the prospect of a slammed door, should indeed, appear liberal, i guess.

whatever it may be, i think, the focus should be getting involved and understanding our children from age zero. as they move on in the world, our influences shrinks, but it is at these times, our challenges increase, in keeping pace to continue our friendship and exchange of ideas.

the best gift, a son/daughter can give to his/her parents, at any age, is 'trust'. trust does not appear by itself. it has to be earned by the parent. each family situation is different, but you know that you have lost the trust of your child, when you hear something pertaining to him or her, from someone else. your child simply does not think you are 'worth it'. that is indeed a harsh rejection, and a rejection, that many parents cannot handle. so they deny it absolutely, or blame the world media friends books internet facebook and cellphone.

nary a moment, do they stop, to blame themselves.

instead, they resort to, 'Shevuta kati rande Kuduppa, everything will be alright' :). good luck to them.

pity the kids for having to put up with such ignorant parents. neanderthals.
 
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JJ,


i think it is rude to use such phraseage in this forum. cant you not express yourself and disagreement, in a more civil manner?

thank you.
 
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Dear Kunjuppu, I am surprised why you got upset with that message, it was definitely not intended to you. I missed your tough/nasty response :) since Praveen had already edited it. This language is quite common in western countries, but is taken as offensive here, I am not going to debate this. However people who dish out "kirk" comments should be willing to take the counter punches otherwise should not initiate such comments. :) Cheers,
 
Dear Kunjuppu, I am surprised why you got upset with that message, it was definitely not intended to you. I missed your tough/nasty response :) since Praveen had already edited it. This language is quite common in western countries, but is taken as offensive here, I am not going to debate this. However people who dish out "kirk" comments should be willing to take the counter punches otherwise should not initiate such comments. :) Cheers,

unfortunately, there was no tough/nasty response. praveen edited your quotes. which, even though not directed at me, i found it beyond what i would accept as a normally acceptable retort. it just did not pass decorum.

it appears that praveen agreed along similar lines.

i have had been censured countless times - at times all of us, in the excitement of the moment, go beyond decent norms. it is best those are not read, as those do not reflect, our normal decent self, which i think, all of us are.

move on...
 
“Shevuta kati rande Kuduppa, everything will be alright….”
I don’t take advice from my family: Shruti Haasan
Born in the family of entertainers, confidence and talent is something that comes naturally to Shruti Haasan. However, the actress has her own share of struggle to make it big in Bollywood. Not being so lucky with her Bollywood debut 'Luck' and even Madhur Bhandarkar's Dil Toh Baccha Hai Ji couldn't get the desired success for Kamal Hasaan's daughter. Her upcoming romantic film Ramaiya Vastavaiya brings hope to the actress. Shruti speaks her heart out on her career, her upcoming film and her family.

I don?t take advice from my family: Shruti Haasan - The Times of India
 
There are no sure shot rules for a successful marriage. Neither are there any set methods that guarantee 100% success rate. Yet the debates about whether arrange marriage or love marriage is better than the other will last for ever.

I have come to know couples married as per tradition spilt after 10-25 years opting for Divorce.

The modern Indian Girls have more opportunities to choose their guy; same is the case with boys too.

The modern Brahmin society is in a state of transition; Present day Brahmin boys and girls embrace Love marriage customs readily but the age old customs and family values are still a priority among majority of Brahmins.

Samadana beda Dhandam can not work in the present day transition.

It will back fire on parents who will be left to mend for themselves.
 
PJ,

re your post #30, i agree everything bar one. ie 'same is the case with boys too.'

from what i hear all around, gone are the days, when guys could have the luxury of multiple bajji sojjis, with an elaborate Poon Paarkkum scenario.

apparently today, it is the girls who are calling the shots. i think, personally we have past the stage of primary transition, particularly when it comes to girls. the boys are yet to adjust, more so the parents. that is what i think.

in the past 5 years i have attended as many weddings, including 2 the coming august of nephews nieces. all barring two, is love marriage, albeit within hindus, and only one nephew married a rajput, one niece arranged marriage, and overwhelmed with the response, that they could pick and choose.

the love marriages within iyers, condoned by the parents, but the way the youngsters 'date' and go out on vacations, i think, personally, though i have not (yet) verified, the ritual of shanthi muhurtham is quaint and must have been in the past. i think, the parents follow the maxim, 'dont ask dont tell' :)

all of them are educated well enough, india or abroad, to earn comfortable living, and do not depend on parents, except for moral support, and babysitting when they have children !!

when i look at it, attitude wise, these youngsters' main reference point, is not their parents or cousins or relatives. it is their friends. their lives revolve round their job and friends - weekends are reserved for socializing - with friends. holidays with friends. any problems - discuss with friends. yadda yadda yadda...

brown skinned but very white in attitudes. parents, religion, rituals all take back seat. for parents, the message clearly is, 'take it or leave it'. all the parents take it, because, in the words of one of my girls cousins, 'ayyo! iyer payyinai pudichaaLey..adhey podhum (sigh..relief)!!
 

"PS: This post is NOT applicable for people living overseas and have adopted western model of parenting, willingly or unwillingly, since they have a different set of standards in raising kids !!


Ha Ha Ha!

This is really funny.


The so called Indianized brigade who claim they uphold Indian culture and Dharma mostly;

1)wear western clothes to work.

2)swear using English words like F***, Bloody Hell, Bloody Sh**.

3)Drink foreign alcohol.

4)Prefer watching Western Porn than Desi Porn.


Give me a break yaar...no one can claim 100% Indianhood for anything anymore.

The world is neither too western nor too eastern..the world is without borders these days.

We humans are learning to embrace Humanity..Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam.
 
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First question: Are your ancestors Indians or Malaysians? Still 80% of the marriages are arranged marriages in india.

Arranged marriage means, even if the boy and the girl know each other, the process of getting them married is done by the parents of both.

If the boy and the girl understand and follow the mantras and the vows they take, then the 'union' is for life.


My paternal grandparents were Malaysians.

My maternal grandmum was Malaysian but was born in India.

My maternal grandad was Indian.

My mum also born in India.
 
My paternal grandparents were Malaysians.

My maternal grandmum was Malaysian but was born in India.

My maternal grandad was Indian.

My mum also born in India.

Was this warranted Renuka !!!

Why dont you turn a deaf ear to unauthorized digging of your bio-data!!!!
 
Even marriage is becoming an anachronism in current day India.

Live-in relationships are common in Metros.

And as a forest fire, would imminently spread to rural India not long from now.

Whither so-called-indian-culture let alone tambrahm culture!!!!
 
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The silent cry of the bachelors is mostly not for not getting a spouse BUT most importantly for realizing the fact that getting a true spouse with true sense, from the same TB community, in this era, is near to impossibility. ............
Dear Ravi,

You are so innocent!!

Do you think every married person got a 'true spouse with true sense'??

This appears like searching for water in a mirage!! ;)

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Picture courtesy: Google images.
 
......... Whither so-called-indian-culture let alone tambrahm culture!!!!
A rare commodity! It all started when we started aping the West!


"The generation Y seems to have lost respect for elders. They are blindly aping the western culture where elders

are considered to be the interfering radical. Massive cultural erosion is corrupting the innocent minds of the young.

They seemed to have lost sanctity for all relationships and are leading a self-conceited life.The young brigade lives

for itself and throws everything else to the wind.

For them, life is a huge party and in their bid to party hard, they are, unconsciously ruining their life. No matter how

much the parents try to ward them off the bad track, the peer pressure is so much that they succumb to it and follow

the herd mentality."


Source:
'Youngsters are blindly aping the western culture' - Indian Express
 
Was this warranted Renuka !!!

Why dont you turn a deaf ear to unauthorized digging of your bio-data!!!!

Dear Sir,

Sarang ji asked me a question....to which I answered him.

It is not really bio data....it is just citizenship of ancestors.

It is quite a common question for Indians who are born and bred abroad.

Sarang ji is also quite a mature forum member..so I did not mind answering his question.

At the same time I would like to thank you for the advise.
 
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I believe in the example given, the girl refused to marry. Where is the nrisimha boyfriend?

If the boy is so willing, why the girl did not run away?

Dear Sir,

Eloping is not usually done even by most couples.

Out here only girls from very lesser educated homes elope..cos elopement brings shame and those who come with some social standing risk losing their professional reputation.

So you will never find a doctor/lawyer/engineer etc eloping with their boyfriends out here.

Most of couples whom I have seen when face parental objection..sometimes break off and move on or just tell their parents that they are going ahead and getting registered.
 
Hilarious OP

Some questions....

“Shevuta kati rande Kuduppa, everything will be alright….” - Does this mean the kid is asked to look at the wall to distract and surprise the kid before giving him/her a good 'two lashes'.. :-)?

Husband can do this to his wife too? Or vice versa? - Just kidding

LoL
 
Folks,

It is interesting to see a few folks here commenting on 'aping the west' as an issue. I looked up the definition of this term and found:
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[TD]Imitate the behavior or manner of (someone or something), esp. in an absurd or unthinking way.[/TD]
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[FONT=arial, sans-serif]I disagree with folks who think that the West (read it USA) is not inculcating proper values in their children while rearing them. Such an assumption is invalid.[/FONT]

[FONT=arial, sans-serif]There is a big difference in child rearing models between USA and India. [/FONT]

[FONT=arial, sans-serif]The model of USA is to rear a child in a way that makes him/her to be an independent citizen, to stand on his/her own merit. This is the model of a bird, hatching an egg, teaching the youngsters the ropes of independent living and watching them leave the nest. This is the definition of successful parenting. Parents do not expect to be taken care of by their children in their old age. But, guess what? I have seen case after case, where the children who were brought up like this, do VOLUNTARILY take care of their parents, in case the need arises.[/FONT]

[FONT=arial, sans-serif]Indian model is the opposite, and it worked for a long time. It was because of many factors: Our Dharma definition; our tradition of feeling that we 'own' our children; and lastly the patriarchal system of favoring the Son so that he would take care of the parents in their old age.

I am not saying that the Indian model WAS wrong.

But, let me ask you all a question, that requires a honest answer.

In today's time, when we send our kids to have a secular education, and encourage their ability to think in that world, so that they can succeed, and when the whole world is moving towards a culture geared towards to individualism, does this model work?

Regards,
KRS
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When we give a man a fish, we feed him for one day.

When we teach him how to fish, we feed him everyday.

I believe that it is the duty of every parent to see that the child is able to think on

his own, make his/her own decision and tackle the problems which may rise.

We can't be spoon-feeding and guarding/protecting them all our lives.

More independent the children... the more successful the parents!
 
........ More independent the children... the more successful the parents!
Yes! But those independent children won't share their worries with their parents and when the parents

come to know of his /her silent sufferings through other sources, they feel miserable and helpless! :sad:
 
A rare commodity! It all started when we started aping the West!


"The generation Y seems to have lost respect for elders. They are blindly aping the western culture where elders

are considered to be the interfering radical. Massive cultural erosion is corrupting the innocent minds of the young.

They seemed to have lost sanctity for all relationships and are leading a self-conceited life.The young brigade lives

for itself and throws everything else to the wind.

For them, life is a huge party and in their bid to party hard, they are, unconsciously ruining their life. No matter how

much the parents try to ward them off the bad track, the peer pressure is so much that they succumb to it and follow

the herd mentality."


Source:
'Youngsters are blindly aping the western culture' - Indian Express

If my parents had listened to their parents, probably they will still be tilling some land in TN. If I did not break the tradition, I would still be living in India. If status quo is maintained for "cultural integrity" we would be stagnent, and suffering. Progress happens when you break the mold.
 
....and WHAT might that progress be???
extra income???
earning in $ ???
huge bank balance???
a palatial house???
a wardrobe overflowing with Ts and jeans???
 
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I have seen both the culture and the integrity both in India and in USA.

Breaking free need not be always for the betterment.

What is WRONG with living in India anyway???

So will the next generation migrate to the moon/Mars

to break the existing tradition and the mold,

for making greater progress than their parents???

And what about their children...in case

the concept of wedding and family still existed???

Will they migrate to another Universe???
 
The grass is always greener on the other side.

Everything has its plus point and minus points.

U.S.A is not the heaven on earth.

I have seen homeless people, unwed moms,

child mothers and people living like animals.

yes I mean Meet, Mate and Part without any guilt.
 
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Yes! But those independent children won't share their worries with their parents and when the parents

come to know of his /her silent sufferings through other sources, they feel miserable and helpless! :sad:

If the children will not share their problem with their loving parents, :tape:

I doubt whether they will share it anyone else...:nono:

especially to those who can send the feedback to their parents. :gossip:

Each person has to face his own problems, fight his own wars and win his own victories.

Life is not a bed of roses for everyone... barring the lucky few!
 
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