Pracisting Vasudaiva Kutumbakam.

[V.Balasubramani]

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Pranams to all,

Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam- - Yet another important Vedantic concept that all human beings, because of their shared spirituality, are members of a single family. The Upanishads have an extraordinary phrase for the human race, Amritasya Putrah (Children of immortality), because we carry within our conseiousness the light and the power of the Brahman regardless of race, colour, creed, sex, caste or nationality. This is the basis of the concept of human beings as an extended family - Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam - which is engraved on the first gate into our Parliment House

The same concept is to be found in Sangam (300 - 100 BCE)
Tamil purananuru poem as "யாதும்ஊரே, யாவரும்கேளீர்" which means 'every country is my own and all the poeple are my kinsmen.

With regards


Source: Wikipedia
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"Isvarah Sarvabhutanam hriddese tishthati"

 

[Visalakshi Ramani]

dear Sir,

Parents either feel (or projected as feeling) it to be burden to help
their own sons and daughters - who are struggling with small kids.

They value their pleasures and free time more than the welfare of their own flesh and blood.

I am completely at a loss for words to speak about the
Pracisting Vasudaiva Kutumbakam.

 

[V.Balasubramani]

Mam,

Pranams


Presently my wife is at U.S.A taking care of my grand sons. We deem it a great pleasure.


I can very well understand your concern. Why should we worry about the self-centered section? It is all mindset that matters.

We belong to the land of '
முல்லைக்குத்தேரீந்தபாரிவள்ளல்’ and வாடியபயிரைக்கண்ட போதெல்லாம்வாடினேன் by Ramalinga Swamigal.

Couple of days back I had a foreign national guest. The moment I got introduced to him by my son, he mingled with us and during interaction, I found the amount of love, affection and emphathy exhibited by him was a rare thing like spreading brotherhood.


Let us practice universal love, benevolence and harmony.


Love all. Live and let live. Do good and Be good.

　
With regards

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"Isvarah Sarvabhutanam hriddese tishthati"

 

[renuka]

अयं बन्धुरयं नेति गणना लघुचेतसाम् | उदारचरितानां तु वसुधैव कुटुम्बकम् || ”
ayaṁ bandhurayaṁ nēti gaṇanā laghucētasām | udāracaritānām tu vasudhaiva kuṭumbakam ||
Discrimination saying "this one is a relative; this other one is a stranger" is for the mean-minded. For those who're known as magnanimous, the entire world constitutes but a family.

Actually this can be interpreted differently..that is;

1)As the meaning given above

OR

2) "Do not differentiate and treat the whole world as your family..so that means we can treat anyone like sh*t and they are supposed to bear with us becos we are FAMILY!LOL

 

[vgane]

On a lighter side, our children seem to be practising Vasudaiva Kutumbakam through IC/IR & Inter racial marriages!

 

[renuka]

On a lighter side, our children seem to be practising Vasudaiva Kutumbakam through IC/IR & Inter racial marriages!

Dear Sir,

You see someone might lament and pray to God to help him from the Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam syndrome of IC/IR Marriage in a Shloka form...

Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam Idam,
Varna Kulasya Mardhanam,
Pashyaami Na Parmanandam,
Krishnam Vande Jagat Gurum!


Meaning "This Concept of The World is a Family,
Slays Varna and Kulam,
There isn't any great happiness I foresee,
O' Krishna I salute You the Universal Perceptor.

 

[V.Balasubramani]

Dear Sir,You see someone might lament and pray to God to help him from the Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam syndrome of IC/IR Marriage in a Shloka form.Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam Devam,Varna Kulasya Mardhanam,Na Pashyaami Parmanandam,Krishnam Vande Jagat Gurum!Meaning "The Concept of The World is a Family O' God Slayer of Varna and Kulam,There isn't any great happiness I foresee, O' Krishna I salute You the Universal Perceptor.

Mam,

When someone, who is totally a stranger, is in distress, we do extend our helping hand.

You would have seen in Dailies, publishing photographs of children/patients suffering from chronic illness, seeking financial assistance to meet out medical expenses.

Whenever there is an unfortunate disaster or natural calamity, it is practice of neighboring countries to immediately swing into action of sending food and other supplies.

Such gestures of good will and empathy are certainly I believe acts of exhibiting brotherhood.

With regards


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------"Isvarah Sarvabhutanam hriddese tishthati"

 

[renuka]

Mam, When someone, who is totally a stranger, is in distress, we do extend our helping hand? You would have seen in Dailies, publishing photographs of children/patients suffering from chronic illness, seeking financial assistance to meet out medical expenses. Whenever there is an unfortunate disaster or natural calamity, it is practice of neighboring countries to immediately swing into action of sending food and other supplies. Such gestures of good will and empathy are certainly I believe acts of exhibiting brotherhood. With regards

Dear Sir,

I think you should be knowing my mindset by now..that post of mine was just for fun..just playing around with words..just kidding about how some people might feel about IC/IR marriage.

I myself believe in Universal Concept of Siblinghood and do not see caste difference when it comes to life.

 

[vgane]

There are many voluntary agencies who are doing yeoman service for the poor & destitute...At time of natural calamities they rise to the occasion...Salute our Army for the magnificent service during the recent Uttarakhand floods...

RSS also enlist its volunteers for this gargantuan task...Red cross, Helpage India etc also play a stellar role in this...

When you do a service without anything in return it is a selfless service..Bharat Mata enjoins on its citizens to take this path for the betterment of the country!

 

[sangom]

Pranams to all,

Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam- - Yet another important Vedantic concept that all human beings, because of their shared spirituality, are members of a single family. The Upanishads have an extraordinary phrase for the human race, Amritasya Putrah (Children of immortality), because we carry within our conseiousness the light and the power of the Brahman regardless of race, colour, creed, sex, caste or nationality. This is the basis of the concept of human beings as an extended family - Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam - which is engraved on the first gate into our Parliment House

The same concept is to be found in Sangam (300 - 100 BCE)
Tamil purananuru poem as "யாதும்ஊரே, யாவரும்கேளீர்" which means 'every country is my own and all the poeple are my kinsmen.

With regards


Source: Wikipedia
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"Isvarah Sarvabhutanam hriddese tishthati"

"vasudhaiva kutumbakam" is from one Mahopanishad, as per wikipedia. (Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia). The context in which it appears in different books is given in that wiki page as follows:

"In the Mahopanishad - 6.72 the verses are used to describe as one of the attributes of an individual who has attained the highest level of spiritual progress, and one who is capable of performing his wordly duties without attachment to material possessions.

In the Panchatantra - 5.3.37, which is a collection of animal fables,the verse is uttered from the mouth of a declared fool who is killed by his naivety, suggesting it as a symbol of impracticality.
The Hitopadesha - 1.3.71 goes a step further, and not once but twice demonstrates its usage by sub-versionists, as well as tendency of the gullible to fall for it."


Today possibly the hindutva lobby is using it for its own propaganda, but I fail to see how anyone will subscribe to such an ideology except the extremists who want to conquer and bring all the world under their control.

"amṛtasya putrāH" comes in Svetasvataropanishad 2-5. It denotes deceased persons and not living people, as may be seen from the following translation of the relevant sloka:

5 Your old prayer has to be joined with praises. Let my song go forth like the path of the sun! May all the sons of the Immortal listen, they who have reached their heavenly homes.
(http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/sbe15/sbe15101.htm#fr_735)

I will therefore suggest that we don't get bowled over by some sanskrit phases from here and there and then try to build seemingly lofty edifices on such weak foundations.

 

[Nara]

....I will therefore suggest that we don't get bowled over by some sanskrit phases from here and there and then try to build seemingly lofty edifices on such weak foundations.

Not only is the phrase "vasudhaiva kutumbakam" so universally misinterpreted the same is true for the phrase யாதும் ஊரே ; யாவரும் கேளிர். The verse is about dealing with life's ups and downs, pains and pleasures, all coming at you like the floods of a raging river after torrential rains, and the way to deal with it all is to look at life with perfect equanimity, not to be overawed by the mighty or treat the modest with disdain. From this people have somehow extrapolated universal love. Here is the full verse:

யாதும் ஊரே ; யாவரும் கேளிர்
தீதும் நன்றும் பிறர்தர வாரா
நோதலும் தணிதலும் அவற்றோரன்ன
சாதலும் புதுவது அன்றே, வாழ்தல்
இனிதுஎன மகிழ்ந்தன்றும் இலமே, முனிவின்,
இன்னா தென்றலும் இலமே; ‘மின்னொடு
வானம் தண்துளி தலைஇ, ஆனாது
கல்பொருது இரங்கும் மல்லற் பேர்யாற்று
நீர்வழிப் படூஉம் புணைபோல, ஆருயிர்
முறைவழிப் படூஉம்’ என்பது திறவோர்
காட்சியின் தெளிந்தனம் ஆகலின், மாட்சியின்
பெரியோரை வியத்தலும் இலமே
சிறியோரை இகழ்தல் அதனினும் இலமே!

 

[Govinda]

Nara Sir,

usual translation, missing this time. I dont have tamil dictionary

 

[Nara]

usual translation, missing this time. I don't have tamil dictionary

I did provide a brief gist of what the verse says!

But for a few difficult words this verse is not very difficult. Let me give the meaning of the difficult phrases:

யாதும் ஊரே ; யாவரும் கேளிர் = Pay heed one and all, one place is just like another
தீதும் நன்றும் பிறர்தர வாரா= bad and good turns don't come from others or external sources
நோதலும் தணிதலும் அவற்றோரன்ன= in the same way, suffering will come and go
சாதலும் புதுவது அன்றே = even death is nothing new
வாழ்தல் இனிதுஎன மகிழ்ந்தன்றும் இலமே = never rejoice when living is sweet
முனிவின், இன்னா தென்றலும் இலமே = never despair when life brings grief (முனிவின் = pain/grief)
‘மின்னொடு வானம் தண்துளி தலைஇ, = when the sky opens up with lightening and thunder
ஆனாது கல்பொருது இரங்கும் மல்லற் பேர்யாற்று = the torrent will become a raging river that take big boulders in its floods
நீர்வழிப் படூஉம் புணைபோல ஆருயிர் முறைவழிப் படூஉம்’ = our lives take its course like a thatch-catamaran floating in this flood புணை = தெப்பம்/படகு
என்பது திறவோர் = the learned realize this about our lives
காட்சியின் தெளிந்தனம் ஆகலின்,= having realized this about life
மாட்சியின் பெரியோரை வியத்தலும் இலமே = don't get over awed by the great and mighty
சிறியோரை இகழ்தல் அதனினும் இலமே! = even more importantly, don't deride the weak

This verse is about the Tamil concept called ஊழ் (oozh). ஊழ் refers to the unpredictability of life, the random events that cannot be avoided but would have profound impact, and the importance of facing these challenges with equanimity. This idea is presented what BG presents as स्थितप्रज्ञ (sthitapragya). Please note, BG is of a later date compared to Puranaanooru.

Thank you ...

 

[V.Balasubramani]

"vasudhaiva kutumbakam" is from one Mahopanishad, as per wikipedia. (Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia). The context in which it appears in different books is given in that wiki page as follows:


Today possibly the hindutva lobby is using it for its own propaganda, but I fail to see how anyone will subscribe to such an ideology except the extremists who want to conquer and bring all the world under their control.

I will therefore suggest that we don't get bowled over by some sanskrit phases from here and there and then try to build seemingly lofty edifices on such weak foundations.

Sri Sangom Ji,

Thanks for going thro the OP, for your home work and reply.

It is purely your opinion and the 'like'minded. I expected this bcos I have read your mind thro' your earlier postings.

You seems to have given your opinion without paying much attention to the essence of the vedantic concept.

I am reproducing hereunder extract of a text which will throw more light on the subject.


Dr. Karan Singh - who is also a philosher in his book titled 'Keep the light shining' has said

The master principles upon which Hinduism is based are to be found essentially in the Upanishads, which represent the high watermark not only of Indian but of world philosophy. It is in these luminous dialogues that the great issues confronting humanity have been addressed in a manner that seems to grow in relevance as we move into the global society. "

"The first and most basic concept is that of the all-pervasive Brahman — "Isavasyam idam sarvam yat kincha jagatyam jagat" (Whatever exists and wherever it exists is permeated by the same divine power.) While many philosophies have postulated unbridgeable dichotomies between god and the world, matter and spirit, the Upanishadic view is that all that exists is a manifestation without the light of consciousness behind it, and this, in a way, is the realization of the new science.

The second concept is that this Brahman resides within each individual consciousness, in the Atman. The Atman is the reflection of this all-pervasive Brahman in individual consciousness; but it is not ultimately separate from the Brahman. The concept of "Isvarah sarvabhutanam hriddese tishthati" (The lord resides within the heart of each individual) is the second great insight of the Upanishads, and the relationship between the Atman and the Brahman is the pivot upon which the whole Vedantic teaching revolves.

Another important Vedantic concept is that all human beings, because of their shared spirituality, are members of a single family. The Upanishads have an extraordinary phrase for the human race, ‘Amritasya putrah’ (Children of immortality), because we carry within our consciousness the light and the power of the Brahman regardless of race, colour, creed, sex, caste or nationality. That is the basis of the concept of human beings as an extended family — ‘Vasudhaiva kutumbakam’ — which is engraved on the first gate into our Parliament House.

"It is certainly true that Hinduism has provided the broad cultural and religious framework that has held India together despite its astonishing linguistic, ethnic and political diversity and divisions.

Hinduism is as essential for an understanding of Indian culture and civilization.

Source:Keep the light shining - By Karan Singh - Hindustantime.com

And

Fundamentals of Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam

Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam is essentially a cultural and spiritual concept.
It looks upon the whole world as one's own family. Love and harmony, co-operation and mutual support are the basic ingredients here, as in a family. The all human beings are small part of this great universe. The time has arrived when we should come close to each other for realizing the one world dream. India is land where ideal of unity in diversity has existed for long. A verily of religions like Hinduism, Jainsim, Buddhism, Sikkhism, Islam and Christianity flourish there. The joiner family system of India is another example of unity in diversity. In this dangerous situation respect for all religions and "Vasudhaiva kutumbakam" can usher peace in this world.

Outcome of Spirituality : Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam

The aim of life should be to realize God and Follow his teachings.
We should think twice before we act so that our actions don't cause miseries to other. According to Jainism, " Do not indulge mind, body and speech in the evil of all other creatures." According to Islam, "O God! give prosperity to all humanity." Vedas say," For wise people, the entire humanity is but one family." Ramayan preaches God is present in all human beings. The Gita teaches, "Be involved in the good of all humanity." Let us dedicate the rest of our life in the service of God. The best service to God is service to society Let us turn our own-self interest into public interest.
Renouncing selfish desires is the highest state of renunciation. When Such a divine state is achieved one dedicate oneself to the service of mankind.

Therefore, they incorporated article 51 in the constitution of India to enjoin the Government to work for the unity of mankind in the spirit of our ancient belief of
"Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam".

There is plenty of material running to 51,300 results on the subject. I will appreicate if you go through leasurely .

With regards

Source:
OUTCOME OF SPIRITUALITY : VASUDHAIVA KUTUMBAKAM
—Dr. Sohan Raj Tater

P.S: I have no obligation to reply ur future postings. I will appreciate if you keep away of my threads
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Isvarah Sarvabhutanam hriddese tishthati

 

[Nara]

....P.S: I have no obligation to reply ur future postings. I will appreciate if you keep away of my threads

Wow, "vasudhaiva kutumbakam" has its limits after all!!! Why do people have such short fuses? One comment of disagreement and off the lid goes off.

Dear Shri V. Balasubramani, I am so sorry if my posts offend you the same way Shri Sangom's has so obviously. But then, unfortunately, Indian Constitution not withstanding, it is a fact that both the phrases "vasudhaiva kutumbakam" and "யாதும் ஊரே யாவரும் கேளிர்" have been universally misinterpreted, no offense meant. Please look at the original texts.

peace .....

 

[கால பைரவன்]

.... From this people have somehow extrapolated universal love.
....
யாதும் ஊரே ; யாவரும் கேளிர்

கேளி(குறில்)ர் என்ற சொல்லிற்கு உறவினர் என்று பொருள். Therefore, the second part of the first line means "all are my kin".

"எல்லா ஊரும் எம் ஊர், எல்லா மக்களும் எம் உறவினர்" is pretty close to what is found in mahopanishad ("the entire world constitutes but a family".)

Therefore it is not at all unreasonable to extrapolate this into universal love.

Some tend to take the word கேளி(குறில்)ர் as கேளீ(நெடில்)ர் and perhaps take it to mean "pay ye heed".

But the first word and meaning looks more appropriate.

It is possible that the words கேளிர் and கேள்வன் are related and might have originated from the same root.

கேளிர் = உறவினர் (relative)
கேள்வன் = கணவன் (who is the closest relative but the spouse!)

"தாமரையாள் கேள்வன்" is the deity name in பார்த்தன் பள்ளி, Nagapattinam: மங்களாசாசனம் by திருமங்கை ஆழ்வார்.

 

[V.Balasubramani]

Not only is the phrase "vasudhaiva kutumbakam" so universally misinterpreted the same is true for the phrase யாதும் ஊரே ; யாவரும் கேளிர். The verse is about dealing with life's ups and downs, pains and pleasures, all coming at you like the floods of a raging river after torrential rains, and the way to deal with it all is to look at life with perfect equanimity, not to be overawed by the mighty or treat the modest with disdain. From this people have somehow extrapolated universal love. Here is the full verse:

யாதும் ஊரே ; யாவரும் கேளிர்
தீதும் நன்றும் பிறர்தர வாரா
நோதலும் தணிதலும் அவற்றோரன்ன
சாதலும் புதுவது அன்றே, வாழ்தல்
இனிதுஎன மகிழ்ந்தன்றும் இலமே, முனிவின்,
இன்னா தென்றலும் இலமே; ‘மின்னொடு
வானம் தண்துளி தலைஇ, ஆனாது
கல்பொருது இரங்கும் மல்லற் பேர்யாற்று
நீர்வழிப் படூஉம் புணைபோல, ஆருயிர்
முறைவழிப் படூஉம்’ என்பது திறவோர்
காட்சியின் தெளிந்தனம் ஆகலின், மாட்சியின்
பெரியோரை வியத்தலும் இலமே
சிறியோரை இகழ்தல் அதனினும் இலமே!

Nara Sir,

I go by the following meaning:

யாதும்ஊரே

,யாவரும்கேளிர்;- By கணியன்பூங்குன்றனாரின்

விளக்கம்:
எல்லா ஊரும் எங்கள் ஊர்தான், எல்லோரும் எங்கள் உறவுகள்தான்

I ignore the umpteen number other versus which are quite irrelvent to the OP


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[Nara]

கேளி(குறில்)ர் என்ற சொல்லிற்கு உறவினர் என்று பொருள்.

Alright KB, even so, poongunranaar is only saying look at everything with equanimity, all must be equal, your உறவினர் are not just the ones related to you by blood or marriage, everyone must be treated equally well, or badly as well, in other words, with equanimity.

Instead of taking one phrase here, one phrase there, I urge members to look at the entire verse, and if you do, it is unmistakable that poongunranaar is talking about the ephemeral nature of life, what Tamils call oozh ஊழ், not some warm and fuzzy universal love bromide.

 

[கால பைரவன்]

Alright KB, even so, poongunranaar is only saying look at everything with equanimity, all must be equal, your உறவினர் are not just the ones related to you by blood or marriage, everyone must be treated equally well, or badly as well, in other words, with equanimity.
Instead of taking one phrase here, one phrase there, I urge members to look at the entire verse, and if you do, it is unmistakable that poongunranaar is talking about the ephemeral nature of life, what Tamils call oozh ஊழ், not some warm and fuzzy universal love bromide.

There are many interpretations possible. What I said was it is not unreasonable to consider the first phrase as universal love. Treating all people as relatives can be considered such. May be the author understands the ephemeral nature of life and thus is able to treat everyone as relative.

 

[Nara]

There are many interpretations possible. What I said was it is not unreasonable to consider the first phrase as universal love. Treating all people as relatives can be considered such. May be the author understands the ephemeral nature of life and thus is able to treat everyone as relative.

KB, there is one thing that we cannot disagree on I hope, this verse is one of the gems of Tamil thinking. It is amazing that roughly 2000 years ago, an epoch when much of the world was killing each other, Tamil culture was so evolved -- something we must all look back and learn from.

 

[கால பைரவன்]

KB, there is one thing that we cannot disagree on I hope, this verse is one of the gems of Tamil thinking. It is amazing that roughly 2000 years ago, an epoch when much of the world was killing each other, Tamil culture was so evolved -- something we must all look back and learn from.

That this particular verse is a gem, I accept.

I do not agree with the extrapolation that you had done about tamil culture of those times based on this verse!

 

[Nara]

That this particular verse is a gem, I accept.

I do not agree with the extrapolation that you had done about tamil culture of those times based on this verse!

Well KB, you accept this is a gem, and you should know there are many more like this one, and yet you cannot bring yourself to concede our own Tamil ancestors, at least some of them, were advanced enough in their thinking compared to their contemporaries. I hope you don't think மருத்தவர் represents all Tamils.

 

[கால பைரவன்]

Well KB, you accept this is a gem, and you should know there are many more like this one, and yet you cannot bring yourself to concede our own Tamil ancestors, at least some of them, were advanced enough in their thinking compared to their contemporaries. I hope you don't think மருத்தவர் represents all Tamils.

We can cut out the emotional appeal.

What I know is that these verses alone did not represent tamil culture.

You are jumping to the present by talking about மருத்தவர். In that case, as far as present day tamil leaders are concerned, "மருத்தவர்" is indeed like "ஒரு பானை சோற்றுக்கு ஒரு சோறு பதம்".

 

[Nara]

We can cut out the emotional appeal.

Do you really have to be so stuck up? Relax brother, I am sure you are doing much better than most other Tamils. Your comments reveal your predisposition towards Tamil culture, which you are part of I am afraid.

Take it easy man, Tamils have a great heritage that the entire humanity can be proud of, even if you are not .....

 

[கால பைரவன்]

Do you really have to be so stuck up? Relax brother, I am sure you are doing much better than most other Tamils. Your comments reveal your predisposition towards Tamil culture, which you are part of I am afraid.
Take it easy man, Tamils have a great heritage that the entire humanity can be proud of, even if you are not .....

It does not matter to me if people want to delude themselves about tamil culture and heritage.

I only wish people who are incorrigibly intolerant at least stop being condescending!