Procreate or Perish

[prasad1]

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Why not accept conversion. May be allow conversion to all new Hindus to Brahmin category. Most of these converts are not looking for "restricted" jobs. Most of them are vegetarians. Some of them are like our friend "boston Shankara".

 

[biswa]

Conversion would mean giving up exclusivity and the advantage of having a "birth-right". Unless we define ourselves by what we can do with our own ability, rather than where and how we were born, we will always think in terms of caste, color, language, nationality etc.

 

[v arun kumar]

that was exactly my point earlier in the discussion, what is our identity, if we say our identity is our thought process, then the thought process are based on rituals and beliefs, which are easily rubbished by the new generation, especially those living outside of TN who don't see anyone else following the customs that we do, and demand a rationale behind it. More intermingling with other religions and caste make them open to new practices or resistant to our practices. The more time we spend in an alien environment, the more our way of living seems archaic. So first lets us list out as to what in our race is that we want to preserve, or is it a instinct to remain isolated in the vast ocean of humanity feeling good about some vague pedigree that we belong to. The above thought are more personal to me, The only way I connect with the community are the lifestyle that was taught to me as a child, most of which is moored on rituals, and it means a lot to me as a individuals, but these rituals hardly mean anything to a rationalist child being brought up in, say the USA. Early morning Diwali baths,(one comes back from work at 12 midnight after a tought meeting, and next morning is Diwali so get up at 4 am) or margazhi masam bajanais, or various fasts and festivals, ensuring that one is clean, bathe before one enters the house after a saloon vist, are all rituals of a past. while the child in me strictly follows these ritutals to the extent possible, the rationalist and the rebel in me rubbishes all these, and on a Diwali day I get up at 8 (oh one gets only a occasional holiday lets sleep late). So lets view this in terms of the time differences. having lived in delhi for most of my lives, most of the festivals out here are celebrated after dusk, Diwali for the folks here is night time festival. and we look like freaks, creating a ruckus at 4 in the morning. these kind of disorientation hits the younger generation living scattered across the globe, and its not long before our identity is nothing but a label that we carry, with nothing tangible to show for. sorry if I sounded petty minded in the above post, but that's the real me there

 

[renuka]

:lol:


But, ironically only a women/wife got to go through pregnancy/delivery phases and suffer hell during pregnancy and post pregnancy!!

Dear Ravi,

Even Adi Shankara had to inhabit the body of a dead king to gain knowledge about Married Life when He was question by Ubhaya Bharati(since Shankara was a Brahmacharin)..but you somehow are a true Jnaani....being a Brahmacharin you seem to know all about married life/kids etc much better than any married person.

I wish Adi Shankara knew you back then..it would have saved Him all the trouble!

 

[renuka]

that was exactly my point earlier in the discussion, what is our identity, if we say our identity is our thought process, then the thought process are based on rituals and beliefs, which are easily rubbished by the new generation, especially those living outside of TN who don't see anyone else following the customs that we do, and demand a rationale behind it. More intermingling with other religions and caste make them open to new practices or resistant to our practices. The more time we spend in an alien environment, the more our way of living seems archaic. So first lets us list out as to what in our race is that we want to preserve, or is it a instinct to remain isolated in the vast ocean of humanity feeling good about some vague pedigree that we belong to. The above thought are more personal to me, The only way I connect with the community are the lifestyle that was taught to me as a child, most of which is moored on rituals, and it means a lot to me as a individuals, but these rituals hardly mean anything to a rationalist child being brought up in, say the USA. Early morning Diwali baths,(one comes back from work at 12 midnight after a tought meeting, and next morning is Diwali so get up at 4 am) or margazhi masam bajanais, or various fasts and festivals, ensuring that one is clean, bathe before one enters the house after a saloon vist, are all rituals of a past. while the child in me strictly follows these ritutals to the extent possible, the rationalist and the rebel in me rubbishes all these, and on a Diwali day I get up at 8 (oh one gets only a occasional holiday lets sleep late). So lets view this in terms of the time differences. having lived in delhi for most of my lives, most of the festivals out here are celebrated after dusk, Diwali for the folks here is night time festival. and we look like freaks, creating a ruckus at 4 in the morning. these kind of disorientation hits the younger generation living scattered across the globe, and its not long before our identity is nothing but a label that we carry, with nothing tangible to show for. sorry if I sounded petty minded in the above post, but that's the real me there

Dear Arun ji,

I hope you would type with some spacing..it is not easy to read a long post that has no spacing.

 

[Raji Ram]

Conversion would mean giving up exclusivity and the advantage of having a "birth-right". Unless we define ourselves by what we can do with our own ability, rather than where and how we were born, we will always think in terms of caste, color, language, nationality etc.

I agree! Brahmins do not get any advantage by their 'birth right' and hence the poor ones tend to convert to some other R to get benefits!

Kunjuppu Sir once wrote about one singer girl in his family who converted because she could not get a good match from our own clan!

Brahmins esp. in Tamil Nadu would like to have more than one child ONLY if the 'reservation' policy in education does not exist!

This answers Prasad Sir's post too! I think 'others' won't wish to convert as brahmins!! :sad:

 

[Raji Ram]

Dear Ravi,

Even Adi Shankara had to inhabit the body of a dead king to gain knowledge about Married Life when He was question by Ubhaya Bharati(since Shankara was a Brahmacharin)..but you somehow are a true Jnaani....being a Brahmacharin you seem to know all about married life/kids etc much better than any married person.

I wish Adi Shankara knew you back then..it would have saved Him all the trouble!

Dear Renu,

'idhellAm kELvi jnAnam' only, I am sure!!

 

[biswa]

Procreate or not, we will all perish anyway! So why should we care about what happens after we perish?

 

[renuka]

Procreate or not, we will all perish anyway! So why should we care about what happens after we perish?

yes..yes..yes...this is so Geeta like..

The wise never lament about what is inevitable!

 

[prasad1]

I agree! Brahmins do not get any advantage by their 'birth right' and hence the poor ones tend to convert to some other R to get benefits!

Kunjuppu Sir once wrote about one singer girl in his family who converted because she could not get a good match from our own clan!

Brahmins esp. in Tamil Nadu would like to have more than one child ONLY if the 'reservation' policy in education does not exist!

This answers Prasad Sir's post too! I think 'others' won't wish to convert as brahmins!! :sad:

Most of the converts would not be in TN, so that problem would not arise.

 

[v arun kumar]

Dear Arun ji,

I hope you would type with some spacing..it is not easy to read a long post that has no spacing.

Its inconvenient for me as well, I don't know why, the browser does not allow me paragraph spacing

 

[C RAVI]

Dear Renu,

'idhellAm kELvi jnAnam' only, I am sure!!

Adhe Adhe!!!!

Not just KELvi jnAnam BUT its also about observing things around, understand & derive some perspectives.

Mostly, in general, guys at least at 30+ age are not dumb. They get to know a lot through various sources; self experience as a child to the parents,as a sibling etc; plan accordingly and get set to go through the life ahead.

One need not be well versed in Scriptures and be in divine aura like Mrs.Renuka and need not be a Spiritually elevated soul like Adi Sankara.

 

[auh]

.... Early morning Diwali baths,(one comes back from work at 12 midnight after a tought meeting, and next morning is Diwali so get up at 4 am) or margazhi masam bajanais, or various fasts and festivals, ensuring that one is clean, bathe before one enters the house after a saloon vist, ...

These might be smaller parts of a much larger scope - of that of training the mind and body.

 

[auh]

Procreate or not, we will all perish anyway! So why should we care about what happens after we perish?

There was an interesting topic about why we care (or do not) for humans with the knowledge of our doomsday, in the opinionator - http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/09/21/the-importance-of-the-afterlife-seriously/?_r=0

 

[auh]

...Those in this forum who vehemently oppose IC/IR marriages are no different from this silly man, except their rhetoric does not include cutting the girl up.

I think there is a lot of difference; sticking to an ideology without violence is in fact a virtue; equivalent to the difference between a vegetarian and a non-vegetarian.

The wannabe Brahmins love to compare themselves to the Jews

This must be your speculation, for I do not see any proclamation from any sort of Brahmins to that effect except perhaps for a thread started in this forum. It must be a joke if you took that literally...

Regards,

 

[renuka]

Mostly, in general, guys at least at 30+ age are not dumb. They get to know a lot through various sources; self experience as a child to the parents,as a sibling etc; plan accordingly and get set to go through the life ahead.

Well said...so if 30+ guys also have knowledge that means 40+ females too would have more knowledge cos they have comparatively been 10 years alive before the 30+males were born...and since the females are the ones that get pregnant and deliver kids etc..so they should be more "knowledgeable" than guys who have no idea what child birth feels like..but exceptions are there cos some guys are Sarvajna!(all knowing)!LOL

 

[Anand Manohar]

Dear Renu

Your post # 66

I read the last line as " some guys are like Sravna Ji " and was wondering as to where went
your 'divine aura' [ Sheikh's post # 62 ] (!) - and also as to how many people's BP would've shot up !

Yay Yem

 

[renuka]

Dear Renu

Your post # 66

I read the last line as " some guys are like Sravna Ji " and was wondering as to where went
your 'divine aura' [ Sheikh's post # 62 ] (!) - and also as to how many people's BP would've shot up !

Yay Yem

LOL!

Thank God I wrote the meaning of Sarvajna(all knowing) in my post.

 

[prasad1]

Well said...so if 30+ guys also have knowledge that means 40+ females too would have more knowledge cos they have comparatively been 10 years alive before the 30+males were born...and since the females are the ones that get pregnant and deliver kids etc..so they should be more "knowledgeable" than guys who have no idea what child birth feels like..but exceptions are there cos some guys are Sarvajna!(all knowing)!LOL

I was surprised that you had to translate Savajna, I would have thought that would be superfluous. But for the rest of us may be it was needed. LOL

 

[amala]

This is just my musing aloud. If one is an only child, won't it be a rather lonely road especially after the parents pass away. However much one is close to cousins and spouse family etc, still it will feel very lonely, and what if one doesn't have a spouse or not close to cousins.

 

[kunjuppu]

Mr K, regardless, we should click some of the ads (closing our eyes if necessary) so that the site can generate some revenue. Words are cheap.

i agree to click the ads if it would benefit praveen. but why close the eyes?

 

[C RAVI]

Well said...so if 30+ guys also have knowledge that means 40+ females too would have more knowledge cos they have comparatively been 10 years alive before the 30+males were born...and since the females are the ones that get pregnant and deliver kids etc..so they should be more "knowledgeable" than guys who have no idea what child birth feels like..but exceptions are there cos some guys are Sarvajna!(all knowing)!LOL

It is not about IF 40+ years old person is more intelligent, brilliant and knowledgeable than a person of 30+ age.

No guy can expect his wife to deliver more than one child if wife feels "Suffering Hell" going through pregnancy and post pregnancy and feel that it's a curse on the ladies to bear such a torture.

There are many ladies who wish to have more than 1 child, at least 2.

As well, no Man can demand such a thing from his wife considering her as his better half who can choose what alone she can have and to what extent (what ever it may be).

In today's polluted environment, mechanical life style etc, for folks getting married at 30+ of age, begetting even 1 child is like a Miracle.


My suggestion to go for at least 2 child and not just 1 is for those well to do and healthy couples who have different reasons for choosing to have only 1 child. Reasons such as -

1) Nurturing & managing 1 child itself is a herculean task and it's a torture.

2) To hand over the Key of a New Bungalow and a New Car the moment the one and the only one child competes all his/her studies and start working.

3) To deposit Lakhs & Lakhs of Rupees in the son's/daughter's A/C so that he/she need not to be frugal with his/her earnings and can spend lavishly to enjoy life in different colors.

etc..etc..



Instead -

1) Give a life time opportunity to a child to have a sibling

2) Let the child have a company through out the growing process, in his/her home itself.

3) Let the child have a trustworthy companion, enabling them to share moral & emotional
support.

4) Let the child learn, share and understand stuffs relevant to each growing phases, having a sibling.

5) Let the child enjoy the charm of sibling relationship and be of help to each other. Many a chance of them to be loving, caring and supportive to each other forever, in some way or other.

6) Parents can also be rest assured of a helping hand shared between the siblings that would help parents in many aspects, under many circumstances.

7) Presence of at least 2 child would be helpful for the parents to get to know many thing abut a child, when the child most probably starts hiding facts from the parents as the child grows due some or other reasons.

8) Give the child a chance of having at least a small & close relative circle among the siblings when they get married and have their own family with kids.

 

[renuka]

Dear Ravi,

You talk as if our sibling stay in the same house as us!LOL

Don't you get it..after certain age everyone is on their own?

BTW do you know how much education costs these days?

A medical seat itself we would need some 1/2 million ringgit these days..imagine having 2 kids and if both want to be doctors..how to come up with RM 1 million?
Not everyone is super rich!

 

[renuka]

but why close the eyes?

In most of pleasurable moments the eyes are closed!LOL

 

[auh]

The choice of having more than a child is not a simple analysis, as there would be a multitude of factors sweeping across the sea of minds. To each his own, is what should be applied and it would be a futile reasoning if we were to even attempt a general view on this.