Procreate or Perish

[vgane]

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The choice of having more than a child is not a simple analysis, as there would be a multitude of factors sweeping across the sea of minds. To each his own, is what should be applied and it would be a futile reasoning if we were to even attempt a general view on this.

Currently in India 65% of the population is below 35 years....The same in our Tambrahm would be 45 plus years...

When the rest of the population is young in the next 25 years our Tam Brahm will have a very large ageing population...We will hardly have the productive youth...This will definitely impact the well being of the community...Our impact will be reduced to marginal...As far as country is concerned we will no more be in any rat race happy & contented as our community has already withered away !(Really sad! and not the usual LOL!)

We already have about 50K males in age of 30+ not married because of girl shortfall as shared in earlier threads

I do agree with you that the issues are different in different couples..But what is the common thread...The urban couples( who are majority in our community may be 90%) are indifferent to rearing a second child..May be laziness..May be high costs associated...May be no time for pregnancy and child birth as the mother is working

We need to help our family members have a second child....The couple also need to seek help...The help and support has to be done at a family level to support the couple...Else we need to do it at a community level...This is a trying time for the community...May be solution is tough...But we need to debate and find an answer to this

 

[kunjuppu]

We already have about 50K males in age of 30+ not married because of girl shortfall as shared in earlier threads

dear vgane,

where did you get these figures? i have been trying to quantify numbers such as these for a long time now, and have not been able to find any resource. any help would be appreciated. thanks.

 

[biswa]

i agree to click the ads if it would benefit praveen. but why close the eyes?

Well I never quite know what will be behind the ad advertising, single muslim women, or exotica asian women or mail-order Russian brides.

I think the ad network picks these ads, because of the matrimonial obsession of some of the posts.

 

[Raji Ram]

i agree to click the ads if it would benefit praveen. but why close the eyes?

S!... Never miss any free show! :spy:
So 'click' when a 'chick' appears!! :ranger:

BTW, I get only details about 'chick's living near my area or about palmistry!

Here is a sample:

 

[Raji Ram]

It is good to advise our 'clan' to beget more number of children so that we will not perish! But the guys have to get married first!

I received four mails today in my mail box from another Iyer group. Here they are:

We are 3 siblings and A----- (1979) is the last one for whom we seek alliance from suitable girls. We are looking for working girls with

age difference of 2 to 5 years. We are resident of Bangalore for 3 generations and our original ancestors are from palakkad. My father

is a retired plant engineer and my late mother was a graduate home maker. A.... works for a US based MNC as a Manager supply chain.

If you find this profile suitable please feel free to contact my father on .....

My parents are seeking alliance for me.

I am 44 never married, but a Nitchaydartam was conducted a year back for me and under unfortunate circumstances the marriage

did not happen. I am an independent consultant now. We are Kerala Iyers. My Education is B.TechIIT Madras, MS, Phd (Materials Science)

The Ohio State University and MS (Computer Science ) The Ohio State University. If interested kindly revert for additional particulars ............

Dear Mami,
Pranams

I am interested in the profile
DOB 12/10/1973 Star Aswathy
Gothram Bharadwajam
Employed in a reputed company in Muscat with family status

I am not miles away but a MAIL away

For favour of circulation.

I know a case where an alliance for a Palakkad Origin Iyer Boy Bharadwajam has been going on for many years. Here is a gist.

Bharadwajam / Dec 1975 Born / 5 feet 10 inch / only son (no sister) / Visakham padam 4 / Ph D Biotech / worked in USA for 5 years

nearly as an International Post Doctoral Associate / now back in India posted in Delhi. The five years in USA with a Exchange Visitor Visa

has proved to be the problem. Those interested may please send the horoscope to me and I shall send the boy's horoscope. I need Postal

address and telephone number. Similar details will be provided in return. If there are no suitable cases within he Community, they will

have no option other than to explore outside community. Yesterday I came to know of a case where an Iyer boy is tying the knot

with a malayalee girl. Boy is in Gulf. Girl is in a place called Bandra, a suburb of Mumbai.

The only possibility for our clan to survive might be to declare girls from other communities as brahmins, by marriage!

I have seen this happen in one of the weddings where the Non bram father of the bride became 'his name + Sharma!!

 

[biswa]

Tsk tsk, RR madam. I am sure you are aware of this. Marriage is not a pre-requisite for having children (or spreading one's seed).

Genghiz Khan is rumored to have 400 children. Dont know how many marriages he had.

 

[vgane]

dear vgane,

where did you get these figures? i have been trying to quantify numbers such as these for a long time now, and have not been able to find any resource. any help would be appreciated. thanks.

Dear kunjuppu,

I got these figures during a discussion with fellow folks in Chennai...Does this look exaggerated..Not an iota, as per my POV

In my relatives (paternal +maternal) alone there are 5 unmarried males above 30...So I guess it is not a figment of imagination...It may be actually higher

Hope the TN government release the caste wise census data so that we can do a reality check

 

[vgane]

Tsk tsk, RR madam. I am sure you are aware of this. Marriage is not a pre-requisite for having children (or spreading one's seed).

Genghiz Khan is rumored to have 400 children. Dont know how many marriages he had.

Then why the institution of marriage...We can go for in vitro fertilisation and create a colony of Brahmins

 

[renuka]

.We can go for in vitro fertilisation and create a colony of Brahmins

LOL! Great idea..I think I know where we can get donors from!

 

[vgane]

LOL! Great idea..I think I know where we can get donors from!

May be fellow brahmin girls....As it is many of them want to give up the Brahmin tag and marry outside LOL!

 

[sravna]

Then why the institution of marriage...We can go for in vitro fertilisation and create a colony of Brahmins

Well said. The institution of marriage is not only about having children. It is also about raising them with the right values that living in a family only can inculcate.

 

[vgane]

Refer my post # 82

Can others also share similar numbers (probably relatives + friends circle)

 

[prasad1]

Then why the institution of marriage...We can go for in vitro fertilisation and create a colony of Brahmins

Yes what do you do with the fertilized eggs in the petri dish?

 

[vgane]

Yes what do you do with the fertilized eggs in the petri dish?

You have to find a surrogate mother for that

 

[renuka]

May be fellow brahmin girls....As it is many of them want to give up the Brahmin tag and marry outside LOL!

So may be we can start a match making agency.

But do we have to match horoscopes before the donation is done??

BTW I do not think Brahmin girls actually want to give up the Brahmin Tag..it is just that they fall in love outside of their caste sometimes.

So far those NB Hindu men who have married TB girls..most of the while the family is TBfied(made into a TB home).

 

[Raji Ram]

Then why the institution of marriage...We can go for in vitro fertilisation and create a colony of Brahmins

Not to worry Sir! Human cloning is not far away! :decision:

An interesting link: Scientists Create First Cloned Human

 

[vgane]

Not to worry Sir! Human cloning is not far away! :decision:

An interesting link: Scientists Create First Cloned Human

That the first human embryo has been created is itself a great achievement!

May be it requires more experiments before the embryo develops into a human being !

Till then we have to wait with bated breath the arrival of the human Dolly!

 

[Raji Ram]

Cloning reminds me of this photo!

Photo courtesy: Google images

 

[biswa]

Cloning will happen, but not of males easily. It will be an all female world, if we have to resort to cloning.

I appreciate the posts made by vgane and sravna in defense of marriage. But the topic of the thread is not "Marry or perish" is it? "Procreate or perish" seems like the idea of "Spread your genes at any cost, lest they perish".

 

[Raji Ram]

Cloning will happen, but not of males easily. It will be an all female world, if we have to resort to perish....... .

Can we call it 'alli rAjyam'?

 

[sravna]

Cloning will happen, but not of males easily. It will be an all female world, if we have to resort to perish.

I appreciate the posts made by vgane and sravna in defense of marriage. But the topic of the thread is not "Marry or perish" is it? "Procreate or perish" seems like the idea of "Spread your genes at any cost, lest they perish".

Dear Biswa,

Shri vgane said procreation only but I think he meant procreation only through marriage

 

[Raji Ram]

.......... Shri vgane said procreation only but I think he meant procreation only through marriage

Very true! Otherwise what is the difference between (good) humans and animals? :baby: ..... anda:

 

[renuka]

Very true! Otherwise what is the difference between (good) humans and animals? :baby: ..... anda:

Dear RR ji,

Tha act of procreation is same for all types of humans...the basic instinct being Kama.

Only thing is the apparently good ones touch and stay but the apparently bad ones touch and go!

 

[weblogic]

Dear Renuka Madam,

Do you think Vivek's statement pickup, drop escape still exists I guess its time for the Femmes to do a tit for tat
No offence!

Dear RR ji,

Tha act of procreation is same for all types of humans...the basic instinct being Kama.

Only thing is the apparently good ones touch and stay but the apparently bad ones touch and go!

 

[biswa]

Dear Biswa,

Shri vgane said procreation only but I think he meant procreation only through marriage

These two dont necessarily mean each other. One can procreate without being married, and one can be married without procreating. And as you know one can indulge in other activities ​without either procreating or getting married. Maybe we are asking for too many things at once.

The other thing we seem to be wishing for (implicitly) is procreation or marriage only with someone of one's own caste (and language, region, sub-caste as well?).