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This is a follow-up for a recently closed thread: http://www.tamilbrahmins.com/general-discussions/12258-indesent-dressing-girls.html

So far, I thot only men of a religion were at the forefront of comments wrt clothes and rape. Unfortunately, these men cannot explain why some men even rape a 2-year old child . Youtube has a video on Ahmed Deedat making sick comments on women to cover up or invite rape (the crowd actually claps). In particular, it reminds me of a study which explored the roles of benevolent sexism (BS), hostile sexism (HS), and gender-role traditionality (GRT) in minimizing rape, blaming the victim, and excusing the rapist. The study showed hostile sexists tend to minimize seriousness of the rape in both stranger and date-rape scenarios.

Unfortunately, callous comments are made by men (and sometimes ignorant women), who conjure up reasons for rape. This includes comments on clothing, irrespective of stranger-rape or date-rape scenarios. A woman is blamed for her clothing, (or some other reason), thereby making due consideration easier for the man (as though he is not totally to blame, but the woman is also responsible for inviting it upon herself). It is particularly disturbing some folks in this forum too, seem to think clothing is a reason for rape. More shocking is a comment that if there is a free show means anybody can use. Hope these comments were just flippant made out of ignorance.

Since rape is a growing menace in India, have started this thread, so we can understand something about the psychology of a rapist.

A number of studies exist on rapists. According to extant research on rapists, offender types can be specified based on character traits.They are based on power, anger, and sadism. Using high profile cases one study explored personality features of each rapist type and provided a model for sex offender type. Other models also exist, such as this one where offenders are classified into 3 types: (a) manipulative; (b) opportunist; and (c) coercive. Some have also studied high risk offenders. One thing comes out clearly in all studies. Rapists are not normal people. They have a distinct profiling, are criminal, have a distinct personality, are psychopaths, and different from normal men.

The most common rapist typology is -- anger, power exploitative, power reassurance, and sadistic. They are men who seek power, exploit the vulnerable as part of their power play, assure themselves they are powerful by assaulting a prey, and derive sadistic pleasure from it. These characteristics do not fit normal men.

Biologists also study anti-social behaviour, and biological basis of aggression. Serotonin transporters, receptors, and synthesis forms a bulk of the data studied to unravel the etiology of antisocial behavior. Some have studied if genes are linked to anti-social behavior, such as DYRK1A, (also related to abnormal brain development and mental retardation), variants of MAOA, COL25A1 (also studied for substance dependence), DdeI and MnII T/T genotypes, and so on. One study found the structure of psychopaths’ brain is different. This paper explains it well.

So folks, please take care. If you cannot bring yourself to rape, do not justify excuses given by perverts. Do not blame it on clothes, on secluded spots, and such like. Please understand a rapist is a criminal or a psychopath and excuses given to cover up the pathology of crime is not justifiable.
 
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palindrome said:
This is a follow-up for a recently closed thread: http://www.tamilbrahmins.com/general-discussions/12258-indesent-dressing-girls.html

So far, I thot only men of a religion were at the forefront of comments wrt clothes and rape. Unfortunately, these men cannot explain why some men even rape a 2-year old child . Youtube has a video on Ahmed Deedat making sick comments on women to cover up or invite rape (the crowd actually claps). In particular, it reminds me of a study which explored the roles of benevolent sexism (BS), hostile sexism (HS), and gender-role traditionality (GRT) in minimizing rape, blaming the victim, and excusing the rapist. The study showed hostile sexists tend to minimize seriousness of the rape in both stranger and date-rape scenarios.

Unfortunately, callous comments are made by men (and sometimes ignorant women), who conjure up reasons for rape. This includes comments on clothing, irrespective of stranger-rape or date-rape scenarios. A woman is blamed for her clothing, (or some other reason), thereby making due consideration easier for the man (as though he is not totally to blame, but the woman is also responsible for inviting it upon herself). It is particularly disturbing some folks in this forum too, seem to think clothing is a reason for rape. More shocking is a comment that if there is a free show means anybody can use. Hope these comments were just flippant made out of ignorance.

Since rape is a growing menace in India, have started this thread, so we can understand something about the psychology of a rapist.

A number of studies exist on rapists. According to extant research on rapists, offender types can be specified based on character traits.They are based on power, anger, and sadism. Using high profile cases one study explored personality features of each rapist type and provided a model for sex offender type. Other models also exist, such as this one where offenders are classified into 3 types: (a) manipulative; (b) opportunist; and (c) coercive. Some have also studied high risk offenders. One thing comes out clearly in all studies. Rapists are not normal people. They have a distinct profiling, are criminal, have a distinct personality, are psychopaths, and different from normal men.

The most common rapist typology is -- anger, power exploitative, power reassurance, and sadistic. They are men who seek power, exploit the vulnerable as part of their power play, assure themselves they are powerful by assaulting a prey, and derive sadistic pleasure from it. These characteristics do not fit normal men.

Biologists also study anti-social behaviour, and biological basis of aggression. Serotonin transporters, receptors, and synthesis forms a bulk of the data studied to unravel the etiology of antisocial behavior. Some have studied if genes are linked to anti-social behavior, such as DYRK1A, (also related to abnormal brain development and mental retardation), variants of MAOA, COL25A1 (also studied for substance dependence), DdeI and MnII T/T genotypes, and so on. One study found the structure of psychopaths’ brain is different. This paper explains it well.

So folks, please take care. If you cannot bring yourself to rape, do not justify excuses given by perverts. Do not blame it on clothes, on secluded spots, and such like. Please understand a rapist is a criminal or a psychopath and excuses given to cover up the pathology of crime is not justifiable.
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There may be several "learned" discourses and research papers about the psychology of rapists. One relevant question is - have these studies been applied in the reverse, i.e., screen a population, identify budding or potential rapists based on the psychological study findings and isolate them etc. I don't think any government has done it so far. If any such thing has been attempted, please furnish info. If such a thing has not happened it will show that all such blah, blah is just like our blah, blahs on TB culture, Brahmin genes and so on - just wishful theorizing.

"Rape & plunder" is a more well-known phenomenon in primitive countries like India. Even in the ancient Canga period of the triumvirates - Chola, Pandya & Chera - the internecine wars between/among the three Tamil kings (emperors?) consisted mostly of subjugating alien country by rape, plunder and cattle rustling; lives used to be lost in this endeavour but the point to note was that the direct confrontation of enemy troops was a minor part of the so-called "war" or 'pOr' of those days. Females were seen just as possessions of men in those days and even to this day, such a mentality has not completely disappeared from large cross-sections of the Indian males. This is a fact.

Writing about rapists' psychology here in this forum will not help in such a scenario. I don't know whether the members who, in the words of Palindrome, come under, "disturbing some folks in this forum too, seem to think clothing is a reason for rape. More shocking is a comment that if there is a free show means anybody can use.", also possess the rapist syndrome, and this may call for yet another "study", perhaps. But, to my mind, it appears that these members are/were only cautioning that clothing and free show are likely to increase the incidence of rapes in a large and diverse society like India.

Incidentally, are there authentic Indian studies to prove that rape is completely independent of dressing by women?

I know for a fact that in many parts of India, including Kerala which boasts high percentage of literacy, etc., a white-skinned woman wearing skimpy clothes is looked upon as a loose moralled woman (slut); this has happened probably because most of these foreign male tourists coming here are pedophiles, gay, etc., and some foreign women want lesbian partners here. In short, a part of these foreign tourists consider destinations in India as places to satisfy their deviant sexual inclinations, possibly at minimum expense and this has caused the general opinion. But the general opinion does exist. We cannot wish our people to rise above their level of ignorance and put up a very polished behaviour towards all ladies when our emphasis is currently in promoting tourism, by hook or crook.

That was why the advice that women in India would do well to cover themselves properly.
 
sangom said:
That was why the advice that women in India would do well to cover themselves properly.
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Dear Sangom ji,

Then we will have to ban sarees and only wear salwar kameez or a Burkha or wear a Baju Kurung.

Pic shows a baju kurung.

I also wear this to work sometimes.


You know when EVR came to Malaysia he was all praises for this costume..he told Indian women to wear Baju Kurung instead of Saree cos he felt Saree is too cumbersome.
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sangom said:
There may be several "learned" discourses and research papers about the psychology of rapists. One relevant question is - have these studies been applied in the reverse, i.e., screen a population, identify budding or potential rapists based on the psychological study findings and isolate them etc. I don't think any government has done it so far. If any such thing has been attempted, please furnish info. If such a thing has not happened it will show that all such blah, blah is just like our blah, blahs on TB culture, Brahmin genes and so on - just wishful theorizing.
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I hear there are perpetrator typologies to help identify potential rapists. However, how can any government screen its whole population? Not clear which research is wishful thinking. Please elaborate.

"Rape & plunder" is a more well-known phenomenon in primitive countries like India. Even in the ancient Canga period of the triumvirates - Chola, Pandya & Chera - the internecine wars between/among the three Tamil kings (emperors?) consisted mostly of subjugating alien country by rape, plunder and cattle rustling; lives used to be lost in this endeavour but the point to note was that the direct confrontation of enemy troops was a minor part of the so-called "war" or 'pOr' of those days. Females were seen just as possessions of men in those days and even to this day, such a mentality has not completely disappeared from large cross-sections of the Indian males. This is a fact.
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Yep, I know its a fact. Who needs men with such a mentality ? Rapists are toxins and we are better off doing away with them.

Writing about rapists' psychology here in this forum will not help in such a scenario. I don't know whether the members who, in the words of Palindrome, come under, "disturbing some folks in this forum too, seem to think clothing is a reason for rape. More shocking is a comment that if there is a free show means anybody can use.", also possess the rapist syndrome, and this may call for yet another "study", perhaps. But, to my mind, it appears that these members are/were only cautioning that clothing and free show are likely to increase the incidence of rapes in a large and diverse society like India.
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Well, I thot of sharing something on the psychology of rapists; and why it is not a good idea to justify excuses given by perverts. What some think is "only cautioning" is sexist -- rape has nothing to do with clothing, so why dole out caution to women?

Incidentally, are there authentic Indian studies to prove that rape is completely independent of dressing by women?
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There are enough studies on character traits of rapists from the biology and social pov. Its about power and sadism. No one thinks clothes are responsible for rape. Only religionists (and their propaganda media) say clothing is responsible for rape (men like to support men, eh? and blame the woman for getting raped?)....anyways, clothing in india is a skewed concept. According to one northie saree is very indecent, and invites a man to touch a woman's exposed waist (according to him only salwar kameez is the best dress). I thot it had something to do with islamic zeal amongst non-muslims in certain parts of north india.

I know for a fact that in many parts of India, including Kerala which boasts high percentage of literacy, etc., a white-skinned woman wearing skimpy clothes is looked upon as a loose moralled woman (slut); this has happened probably because most of these foreign male tourists coming here are pedophiles, gay, etc., and some foreign women want lesbian partners here. In short, a part of these foreign tourists consider destinations in India as places to satisfy their deviant sexual inclinations, possibly at minimum expense and this has caused the general opinion. But the general opinion does exist. We cannot wish our people to rise above their level of ignorance and put up a very polished behaviour towards all ladies when our emphasis is currently in promoting tourism, by hook or crook.

That was why the advice that women in India would do well to cover themselves properly.
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What has homosexuality and the stuff you write in this paragraph got to do with a crime like rape? Are you saying any female not covering herself is a slut and inviting rape? No Wow, because its the typical indian male mentality. But how about kerala female 'traditional' clothing. Ask a Delhi-wallah, what he thinks of it.
 
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palindrome said:
This is a follow-up for a recently closed thread: http://www.tamilbrahmins.com/general-discussions/12258-indesent-dressing-girls.html

So far, I thot only men of a religion were at the forefront of comments wrt clothes and rape. Unfortunately, these men cannot explain why some men even rape a 2-year old child . Youtube has a video on Ahmed Deedat making sick comments on women to cover up or invite rape (the crowd actually claps). In particular, it reminds me of a study which explored the roles of benevolent sexism (BS), hostile sexism (HS), and gender-role traditionality (GRT) in minimizing rape, blaming the victim, and excusing the rapist. The study showed hostile sexists tend to minimize seriousness of the rape in both stranger and date-rape scenarios.

Unfortunately, callous comments are made by men (and sometimes ignorant women), who conjure up reasons for rape. This includes comments on clothing, irrespective of stranger-rape or date-rape scenarios. A woman is blamed for her clothing, (or some other reason), thereby making due consideration easier for the man (as though he is not totally to blame, but the woman is also responsible for inviting it upon herself). It is particularly disturbing some folks in this forum too, seem to think clothing is a reason for rape. More shocking is a comment that if there is a free show means anybody can use. Hope these comments were just flippant made out of ignorance.

Since rape is a growing menace in India, have started this thread, so we can understand something about the psychology of a rapist.

A number of studies exist on rapists. According to extant research on rapists, offender types can be specified based on character traits.They are based on power, anger, and sadism. Using high profile cases one study explored personality features of each rapist type and provided a model for sex offender type. Other models also exist, such as this one where offenders are classified into 3 types: (a) manipulative; (b) opportunist; and (c) coercive. Some have also studied high risk offenders. One thing comes out clearly in all studies. Rapists are not normal people. They have a distinct profiling, are criminal, have a distinct personality, are psychopaths, and different from normal men.

The most common rapist typology is -- anger, power exploitative, power reassurance, and sadistic. They are men who seek power, exploit the vulnerable as part of their power play, assure themselves they are powerful by assaulting a prey, and derive sadistic pleasure from it. These characteristics do not fit normal men.

Biologists also study anti-social behaviour, and biological basis of aggression. Serotonin transporters, receptors, and synthesis forms a bulk of the data studied to unravel the etiology of antisocial behavior. Some have studied if genes are linked to anti-social behavior, such as DYRK1A, (also related to abnormal brain development and mental retardation), variants of MAOA, COL25A1 (also studied for substance dependence), DdeI and MnII T/T genotypes, and so on. One study found the structure of psychopaths’ brain is different. This paper explains it well.

So folks, please take care. If you cannot bring yourself to rape, do not justify excuses given by perverts. Do not blame it on clothes, on secluded spots, and such like. Please understand a rapist is a criminal or a psychopath and excuses given to cover up the pathology of crime is not justifiable.
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Dear Palindrome,


I think MJ had a song to describe a smooth criminal!
 
Hi all,

Felt tempted to login because of the "Indesent dressing..." thread, but found that it has been closed. This thread seems to be kind of rejoinder and hence the reply.

To start off - nobody is a born rapist. They become, by circumstances.

Secondly, it would be pertinent to note that there are two different viewpoints here, one, of that of the individual and the other, of the society (which is nothing but a consensus and can vary over time).

From the viewpoint of an individual, clothing is a personal choice and can vary from "the emperor's new clothes" to a densely wrapped metal sheet. Nobody can/should force an individual on this.

But when individuals who differ vastly in their choices come together, there is bound to be collusion, of thoughts and practices, sometimes desirable and sometimes undesirable. There is no specific logic in this. The "mob" (not to be confused with unruly mob) decides this. Hence the viewpoint of the society becomes relevant here. But this s.v. (society viewpoint) is a complex mix of many factors, tolerance of subgroups, culture, current practices, influence of other societies, flexibility (or rigidity) to name a few. Normally it becomes imperative for an individual not to cross the societal norms.

That is why, in Canada (maybe US also), children cannot be touched as in India, the societal norms are different and override individual choices. Similarly, in india outfits though an individual choice cannot cross the societal norms, but it varies and so we may have the rigid societies, as in villages, where covering is essential, to metros, where fashion takes over. BUT, people, from different societies, mix over freely (a free country, you see!) and there emerges a friction - which is difficult to control. In such a scenario, it would be wise to heed the mood of the society.

Now as to the query as to as to whether an individual would rape a lady if she were to run naked. I think the GOI wouldn't allow any lady to run naked. Secondly, since it is a public phenomenon, nobody would try to rape her, but would immediately rush to cover her and take her on a visit to the police station or to a psychiatrist. Thirdly, there is a possibility of the lady being assaulted (not raped) by unreconciling groups. But, one need not agree with the above, since, they can always do a streak and see for themselves, the results, which for sure wouldn't be pleasing.

Best to all.
 
Wearing dress as one wishes is freedom. To claim as such is arrogance and bad superiority complex. I think Science should come up with some preventive medicine which will make woman or man least attractive. Woman may have lethargic and selective sex drive in her but man knows what it is. That does not mean man has to be a rapist. It takes a man to understand it, whatever the science and allied subjects say. Leading models said we will flaunt whatever god has given us. They did not say why they have to do so. They conveniently forget what is the purpose of god to have given you those flaunting things; could only be to disturb men. The full man controls himself and the half-man goes for the freedom of his choice. In the end it is complementary. Then why over do it.
 
renuka said:
Dear Sangom ji,

Then we will have to ban sarees and only wear salwar kameez or a Burkha or wear a Baju Kurung.

Pic shows a baju kurung.

I also wear this to work sometimes.


You know when EVR came to Malaysia he was all praises for this costume..he told Indian women to wear Baju Kurung instead of Saree cos he felt Saree is too cumbersome.
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Smt. Renuka,

My views may not be acceptable to you. I have always held that saree is not only a cumbersome and extremely inconvenient dress, even for the kitchen. But our women are insistent on wearing it and that too in such a clumsy way that many tabra women look extremely ugly in it. Our younger generation women wear the salwar khameez but what I find is that in their misplaced eagerness to make it as much tight-fitting as possible, they make that also into an ugly wear.

That being the case, even though the baju kurung looks good in the picture I doubt very much whether our women here will allow its beauty and decency to remain. I think there must be some gene in our lineage which makes our womenfolk make their dress into an ugly affair.

I believe trousers and loose fit shirts will be the most suitable for our women.
 
Iyyarooraan said:
Wearing dress as one wishes is freedom. To claim as such is arrogance and bad superiority complex. I think Science should come up with some preventive medicine which will make woman or man least attractive. Woman may have lethargic and selective sex drive in her but man knows what it is. That does not mean man has to be a rapist. It takes a man to understand it, whatever the science and allied subjects say. Leading models said we will flaunt whatever god has given us. They did not say why they have to do so. They conveniently forget what is the purpose of god to have given you those flaunting things; could only be to disturb men. The full man controls himself and the half-man goes for the freedom of his choice. In the end it is complementary. Then why over do it.
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Am amazed to see the kinda support extended to reasons (excuses) given by rapists to justify their actions. Why do normal men support the excuses they give? Wearing a saree can get you raped in Delhi (yes it is revealing to perverted minds). What is decent and indecent is cultural.

Attractiveness does not mean one become a rapist. Rapists are criminal, psychopaths. Why try to support and justify things for them? Why should science come up with "preventive medicine" (whatever that means) to reduce atrractiveness, just bcoz a criminal wants to attack a prey.

Your comments on flaunting things to disturb men is vague. What do you mean by full-men and half-men ??

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baju karung will not look good on fat women - i think. the bulges at the wrong places will be showing.

compared to that, any woman any size any age can manage to look graceful in a sari.:)

methinkso.
 
sangom said:
Smt. Renuka,

My views may not be acceptable to you. I have always held that saree is not only a cumbersome and extremely inconvenient dress, even for the kitchen. But our women are insistent on wearing it and that too in such a clumsy way that many tabra women look extremely ugly in it. Our younger generation women wear the salwar khameez but what I find is that in their misplaced eagerness to make it as much tight-fitting as possible, they make that also into an ugly wear.

That being the case, even though the baju kurung looks good in the picture I doubt very much whether our women here will allow its beauty and decency to remain. I think there must be some gene in our lineage which makes our womenfolk make their dress into an ugly affair.

I believe trousers and loose fit shirts will be the most suitable for our women.
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Sorry sir, many men think women look beautiful in a saree. They are not rapists.

As for trousers and loose shirts, pl note -- females who wear pants and loose shirts are molested left and right everywhere (including public buses).
 
kunjuppu said:
baju karung will not look good on fat women - i think. the bulges at the wrong places will be showing.

compared to that, any woman any size any age can manage to look graceful in a sari.:)

methinkso.
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Ah the thing with the saree, well its bcoz you are a lover, not a rapist.

Big difference between normal tender-loving mutual interaction; and violent display of power by a sadist.
 
on a lighter note..about perversion

Shazia Mirza claims to be the first Muslim female stand up comedian. For the benefit of the public, ‘standup comedy’ is a unique western institution – a club where a person goes to the stage, and tells jokes non stop.

BTW There is a famous indian origin stand up comedian russel peters. He is good. But he makes fun of his ancestry, and so funny, when I went to his show, I fell down laughing.

[video=youtube;UkQeEQ1Hc0c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkQeEQ1Hc0c[/video]

Back to shazia.... three Muslim men jumped her, one actually wringing her neck, after she told this sly joke in a comedy club here about a pilgrimage she took to Mecca:

She was milling in a mixed crowd of men and women when, her joke went, "I felt a hand on my bottom. I ignored it. Ithought: `I'm in Mecca. It must be the hand of God.' "

Yahoo! Groups

not sure if there are rapists in saudi arabia..the women i think go about clad in a black tent with a mesh to look out at the world.
 
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kunjuppu said:
on a lighter note..about perversion

Shazia Mirza claims to be the first Muslim female stand up comedian. For the benefit of the public, ‘standup comedy’ is a unique western institution – a club where a person goes to the stage, and tells jokes non stop.

BTW There is a famous indian origin stand up comedian russel peters. He is good. But he makes fun of his ancestry, and so funny, when I went to his show, I fell down laughing.

Back to shazia.... three Muslim men jumped her, one actually wringing her neck, after she told this sly joke in a comedy club here about a pilgrimage she took to Mecca:

She was milling in a mixed crowd of men and women when, her joke went, "I felt a hand on my bottom. I ignored it. Ithought: `I'm in Mecca. It must be the hand of God.' "

Yahoo! Groups

not sure if there are rapists in saudi arabia..the women i think go about clad in a black tent with a mesh to look out at the world.
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Sir, so far some cultures survived becoz males in their predator roles acquired women, lorded over them, and assumed they are powerful by doing so. Now in many parts of the world women no longer allow such a role.

In Malaysia there was a raging debate about arab-izing the local culture. A female political leader argued the malay woman is not an arab woman, she goes out and works in the field and is an equal income earner, she is not an arab woman who has no choice but to offer herself to an other man to survive (in saudi woman were not even allowed to drive let alone work).

Religion, religious laws (in this case sharia) are on the way out. World over, women are protesting some way or the other. But males of a certain kind (who like power) fear loss of control. Such men cannot think a woman can be given equal rights as a man. They assume males can remain predators (which is what they want to be) and its the woman who needs to take cover (if she wants to protect herself).
 
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Sorry to see this Praveen. Had already written the same sentences in this post yesterday but it was not deleted yesterday. Not sure how it amounts to vulgarity. I think the discussion is frank and open. And i hope it stays that way.

We are discussing a topic which is not family friendly or child friendly. But children these days grow up fast reading reports in newspapers on rape; and are not so unaware either. I hope young male adults read and ponder about discussions here.
 
kunjuppu said:
baju karung will not look good on fat women - i think. the bulges at the wrong places will be showing.

compared to that, any woman any size any age can manage to look graceful in a sari.:)

methinkso.
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Dear Kunjs,


Nope...not really..it is supposed to be a loose fitting dress...fat and big ladies just wear it loose.

There is no tight baju kurung.

It is also the school uniform for muslim girls and many Non Muslims also wear it to school cos its very very comfortable.

It is basically a long loose Kameez worn over a long loose skirt..its like a loose Padavai with a long Sattai.
 
Dear Srimathi Dr. Renuka Ji,

Are the uniforms that are worn by the Singapore Airlines flight attendants variation of this baju kurang?

Regards,
KRS
 
KRS said:
Dear Srimathi Dr. Renuka Ji,

Are the uniforms that are worn by the Singapore Airlines flight attendants variation of this baju kurang?

Regards,
KRS
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Dear KRS ji,


No...those are called Baju Kebaya..which is actually the official/national dress of Malaysia/Indonesia too and even worn by Malaysian Airliness female crew...but off late hardly any muslim wears it cos it is tight and reveals the body shape...before 1982..many people wore it here in Msia..but after 1982 headscarf wearing became a norm here and muslims started wearing Baju Kurung more since it does not reveal the body shape and not tight fitting.
 
renuka said:
Dear KRS ji,


No...those are called Baju Kebaya..which is actually the official/national dress of Malaysia/Indonesia too and even worn by Malaysian Airliness female crew...but off late hardly any muslim wears it cos it is tight and reveals the body shape...before 1982..many people wore it here in Msia..but after 1982 headscarf wearing became a norm here and muslims started wearing Baju Kurung more since it does not reveal the body shape and not tight fitting.
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What happened in 1982 Renu? Why after 1982 things changed?
 
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