Sankararaman murder case - Kanchi Shankaracharya Jayendra Saraswati acquitted

[Suresh Ramamurthy]

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What a great research? Full of scholarship and erudition. Should have been inherited from one's Acharyans. Great! Keep it up 's chandrasekaran'. May your tribe be intact 'blissfully'.

 

[vgane]

Saidevo's post #112 gave a link http://www.one.in/oneindia-tamil/ஜட்...1;-791658.html which clearly states that:

\ தீர்ப்புக்கு பின்னர் நீதிமன்ற நெறிமுறைகள் முடிந்த பின்னர் மதியம் 12 மணிக்கு மேல் ஜெயேந்திரர் மட்டும் தனி காரில்திருச்செந்தூர் கோவிலுக்கு புறப்பட்டு சென்றார்.

Still you keep repeating did he go in a private jet, private jet!

Even if our Swamigal travels in Private jet, I do not think that is offensive...When H.H has to travel to different places, meet devotees, attend to spiritual discourses travel by any mode is acceptable...Whatever is convenient that should be adopted..!

 

[Suresh Ramamurthy]

By confining the vilification /hate campaign to Dravidian hegemonists, Missionaries and Secular media, we are ignoring some hidden enemies of the Math and the Acharyas, who are still at large and go unnoticed. Inquiring the Swamigal in an all-women police station (in November 2004), calling the Brindhavanam of Paramacharya as an ordinary burial place and Matt as a residential complex, (in the report to NHRC) connecting the Acharyals with only untruth (I need not eloborate) - who else could have even though of such things, except the enemies.(The Acharyal would not consider them so).

 

[Vaagmi]

I would also welcome a fresh investigation into the murder by a totally impartial agency. I also think that neither the present TN government nor the Congress-CBI is capable of doing it.

I too would welcome a fresh investigation into the murder by a totally impartial agency. We can handover the investigation to the Nagaland police which comprises of Christian officers. If found sufficient reason for another case to be filed, the case should be filed in the Nagaland Court so that there will be no partiality. Or better still we can file this case in England after asking the Scotland yard to conduct the investigation. LOL.

 

[Suresh Ramamurthy]

This sort of falsehood should been spread for the past few centuries, I suppose against Sri Sankara and the Math. Without being in the forefront, these rumour mongers instigate other and spread lies. This is sheer insincereity. Their gurus, who are adepts in this, have taught them all these.

 

[vgane]

Words of support from Sri Sri Ravishankar:

Truth triumphs! After 9 years of being accused for murder & imprisoned for months, finally the Shankaracharya has been honorably acquitted!

All those journalists who had maligned the Kanchi Shankaracharya and Sanathana Dharma now owe an apology.

 

[vgane]

Words of support from Sri Sri Ravishankar:

Truth triumphs! After 9 years of being accused for murder & imprisoned for months, finally the Shankaracharya has been honorably acquitted!

All those journalists who had maligned the Kanchi Shankaracharya and Sanathana Dharma now owe an apology.

Let us stop nitpicking! Let us accept the verdict and move ahead!

 

[Raji Ram]

I have one genuine doubt! Does this verdict mean that the case is closed for ever?? :rip:

 

[mkrishna100]

I have one genuine doubt! Does this verdict mean that the case is closed for ever?? :rip:

Whether the Government will go for an appeal or whether it be handed over to the CBI or whether it be re-investigated again or whether it will be allowed to just die depends upon the Mood of Amma and how far she is provoked by DMK and other forces in this matter . Amma is yet to open her mouth on this verdict . BTW Amma has her own case pending in Bangalore court .

 

[vgane]

Whether the Government will go for an appeal or whether it be handed over to the CBI or whether it be re-investigated again or whether it will be allowed to just die depends upon the Mood of Amma and how far she is provoked by DMK and other forces in this matter . Amma is yet to open her mouth on this verdict . BTW Amma has her own case pending in Bangalore court .

If Amma gets a rap in Bangalore she will no more be interested in pursuing this case!

On other hand if she is able to win the case, then she may fester old wounds

But all this has to wait till the next parliamentary elections in May 2014

To roll the dice or not in this will be decided based on which direction the wind is blowing in the results of the election!

 

[yemcee1954]

satyameva jayadhe!

 

[sangom]

Nov 29, 2013

dear sir,


smartha sambradaya was formed in the first century ad, whereas adi

sankara belonged to 6th or 7th century ad.

I have not seen any evidence for such a view. If you have, kindly furnish.
AFAIK smartha sampradaya is what people adhering to one of the
many "smrithi" texts followed in their life style. In that way Srivaishnavas
also follow either of their two smrithis - paancharaatra and vaikhaanasa.

Namboodris may not be the followers of smartha sambaradaya, because their

presiding deity is krishna, whereas lord shiva is for smarthas. If they are

smarthas, they may not have different name like namboodri. Their culture is

totally different from smarthas. They control the krishna temples of

guruvayur and badrinath.


If they are migrants from north, they also might have the same sub sect of

tamil iyers. Palghat iyers have the same sub sect, since they migrated from

tanjore district.

I have not come across any scriptural edict saying that smarthas should not
worship Krishna or Vishnu; nor that smarthas must worship only Shiva.
Kindly furnish references to support your observations.

The Namboodiri migration is hidden in the dim past of hindu religion which has
very poor historical data. I do not know whether they now follow the same
sub-caste system as their original folks may now be doing. After all,
the sub-caste phenomenon has not been monolithic and it has undergone
changes too, in the course of history.

Namboodiri is a title bestowed upon the immigrant priestly class of people
by the ruling clans of ancient Kerala who had under them,only small principalities,
less than the area of some present-day districts. We have similar sounding
caste names like Embranthiri, Bhattathiri, Nambiathiri, saamoothiri, erlathiri, etc.
These are names as valid as iyer or iyengar.

It is a mystery why tamil speaking smarthas follow sankara mutts, when

ramanuja (a smartha by birth - vadama) advocated a different theory. His

theory has to be studied in depth to know whether it agrees with saivite

principle.

Shri Chandru, I find you are under some very wrong notions about many
topics relating to hinduism, brahmins, saivism and vaiishnavism, etc. Adi sankara
who lived, according to the Kanchi Mutt geneology, durng the 6th. century B.C.,
established Mutts during his short life span of 32 years so that his advaitha
vedanta could be spread all over the sub-continent.

Advaitha Vedanta forms part of what is known as Uttara Meemaamsa, which is
accepted by the smartha brahmins as valid. Hence, naturally smartha brahmins
became followers of Sankara Mutt.

If you belong to some stridently Saivite group from among smartha brahmins,
that is perfectly OK, but kindly do not try to enforce your world view on others.
The world is too large and varied and I feel you may not find unadulterated saivite
smarthas easily.

Anyway, it will help the members here a lot if you can let us know your sub-caste,
gothram, the soothra which you follow, your poorveekam and whether worship of
Vishnu & His avatars are a strict no-no for you and your people.

Similar comparison should also be made between namboodri's sambrayada

and adi sankar's teachings, since sankara mutt never recognizes widows.

Discrimination of human beings in the name of sambradaya is not proper, and

saivite principles never approve this - arthanareeswara is a perfect example.

I don't think the highlighted observation is true. I can say about Shringeri Mutt.
There the pontiff will not see or give teertham to any widow who has not done
"mundan" of her head and is not covered with a single piece of cloth. That is all.
This is due to their strict adherence to the very smrithis which gives rise to even
the adjective smartha. Apart from the pontiff who is supposed to follow strictly
such rules, I have not heard that widows - irrespective of their dress or hair -
are debarred from entry into the Sarada temple or the public spaces of the Mutt.

Kanchi senior acharya also very scrupulously followed this rule of "mottai paatti" rule.

There is no compulsion on smartha sampradaya tabras to adhere strictly to
saivite principles, as of today. Saivism is followed mostly in the 17 Aadheenams
in TN.

Identifying the originality of sringeri and kanchi is not relevant today, since

both are not propagating pure smartha principles; they are pseudo vaishnavites.

Both sringeri and kanchi always talk about ramayana and mahabharatha and not

saivite works like thevaram, thiruvasakam, thiruvembavai, peria puranam etc.

Wearing vibhuthi and preaching vaishnavite philosophy by both is against the

basic principle of saivism and lord shiva worship.


S chandrasekaran

The sankara mutts were established by Adisankara for disseminating his advaitha
vedanta and not to propagate smartha principles. I agree that the sankara mutts
have miserably failed to stick to the advaitha philosophy strictly. Even so, they have
been able to attract very large following and in that way, the sankara mutts have become
important in so far as hindus are concerned.

If the sankara mutts had indeed functioned as centres for disseminating advaitha philosophy,
they would not have idol worship of any kind including Siva worship. But as centres of religious
learning, they could and probably should encourage people to study the various hindu scriptures
including vaishnavite, saivite and veera saivite, imo.

 

[Nara]

\ தீர்ப்புக்கு பின்னர் நீதிமன்ற நெறிமுறைகள் முடிந்த பின்னர் மதியம் 12 மணிக்கு மேல் ஜெயேந்திரர் மட்டும் தனி காரில்திருச்செந்தூர் கோவிலுக்கு புறப்பட்டு சென்றார்.

Still you keep repeating did he go in a private jet, private jet!

Naina, what about this report: Guilty Won't be Spared by God: Son - The New Indian Express

At the end this article there is this,"The Sankaracharya took a private jet and landed at Thoothukudi in the afternoon."

There are conflicting reports, and that is why I am asking this question.

Anyway ....

It is puzzling that nobody wants to comment on the questions I raised. Saidevo thinks I am letting my imagination run wild, but he also tacitly admitted these questions remain unanswered with his call for impartial investigation. Under these circumstances, saying this is a "complete vindication" and calling for JJ to apologize are premature.

In a court of law the seers have the right to be presumed innocent, but not in the court of public opinion. All the circumstantial evidence point to the seers. Due to various reasons, including the one pointed out by Mrs. RR, the prosecution couldn't prove their case "beyond reasonable doubt". But the cloud of suspicion still hangs over the seers. The only way to lift this cloud is to properly answer the open questions.

 

[kunjuppu]

this is a difficult position for tambrams like me, who feel, that justice has not done to sankararaman.

i do not wish to join hands or be associated with the professional brahmin haters like DK MK and such, and really squirm as i am unable to defend what seems to be a situation where a person is murdered in broad daylight in a small town publicly and there is heaps of history behind his quarrels.

even the most sympathetic neutral, is aghast at such a blanket judgement from the judge, who doesn't seem to be all that smart, and appears to be reading this document prepared for him by someone else. that is my gut feeling.

what the followers, atleast to me, have shown, is that they are no different from the followers of madhani or prabhakaran, in that due to the conviction of their belief, normal sense of fairplay and justice are thrown to dogs.

if the kanchi wishes to reach the truth and clear their name, i think, they should sue the government and i bet this time, the wheels of justice will grind a little more efficiently. anyway...such is life!!!

 

[kannanpadmanabhan]

Saidevo's post #112 gave a link http://www.one.in/oneindia-tamil/ஜட்...1;-791658.html which clearly states that:

\ தீர்ப்புக்கு பின்னர் நீதிமன்ற நெறிமுறைகள் முடிந்த பின்னர் மதியம் 12 மணிக்கு மேல் ஜெயேந்திரர் மட்டும் தனி காரில்திருச்செந்தூர் கோவிலுக்கு புறப்பட்டு சென்றார்.

Still you keep repeating did he go in a private jet, private jet!

As per Indian Express report in the link below, Sri Jayendra Swamigal did go to Tiruchendur by a private jet

QUOTE

Meanwhile, a report from Thoothukudi said Jayendra Saraswathi reached Sri Kanchi Kamakoti Mutt in Tiruchendur hours after the verdict was pronounced. The Sankaracharya took a private jet and landed at Thoothukudi in the afternoon. At the mutt, he was welcomed with ‘purnakumbam’.

UNQUOTE


Guilty Won't be Spared by God: Son - The New Indian Express

 

[prasad1]

It is sad, that Judgement pronounced by a duly appointed Judge is being misinterpreted because the end result expected by some one did not happen. When you accept a judiciary, you got to live by the decision. You can not have selective acceptance of the process, how ever it be maligned.

I did not agree in the first place with the charges (no prima facia case was there), it was purely fabricated, hearsay grounds to arrest a person, who was not charged with any material proof. But that seems to be legal requirement of the land.

In other civilized country the burden of proof is much higher. There has to be some forensic evidence. None was ever produced. So if under the same legal standards some is not found guilty, one can not doubt the system.

Why do we expect the Kanchi matt to put money out for some disgruntled individual's sake they should spend money to prove what?
If you were declared a mental patient, the doctor can analyze and declare you sane, but if you have no history of not being sane you can not be declared sane now.
You can not wake up a person who is already awake.

The burden of proof is with prosecution. No where in the world a free person has to justify the reason for his freedom.

If the accused have to prove their innocence, we have to device a new judicial system.

Welcoming the acquittal Ambur Jai Shankar, president, Vijaya Bharatham Makkal Katchi, told IANS: “Justice has won. Hindus all over the world will be happy now.”

 

[prasad1]

Justice Murugan referred to "undue interest and active participation" by then Kancheepuram SP Prem Kumar in the probe, which also found mention in the Supreme Court order while granting bail to Jayendra Saraswathi. The Judge observed that the police officer's action was much beyond what was required under law during the investigation.


Due to Prem Kumar's intervention, a fair and proper probe was not done by the chief investigation officer (CIO), said the court. The CIO failed to do independent investigation and did not place all the materials collected by some of the investigating officers, it said.


In a virtual censure of the police action during the investigation, the court observed that some witnesses were threatened into recording their statements, and some of the accused were kept in illegal custody.

How low can the prosecutors and the investigation can go? For a judge to observe this in the judgement clearly shows the political vendetta. It just goes to show that common man could not survived this ordeal.

 

[Suresh Ramamurthy]

Many postings on the above subject clearly reveal the level to which the Hindu community has stoopped. These people are only adding to their sins by talking ill about the Acharyal.

 

[sangom]

My view is that as long as the case was going on, aam aadmis like myself, had a hope that the court would do something to at least point out the direction in which the real criminals could be found, although I was not at all interested in the sankaracharyas being punished. But what has now transpired is that one Sankararaman was murdered but there is no human agent who killed; so, was it divine wrath which killed Sankararaman alone? We have heard of Sodom and Gomorrah being consumed by fire and brimstone due to divine wrath and would have believed this also to be the same case if at least that entire temple was so destroyed. But this case is not so; probably God also has turned high-tech and sharpened His weapons!

The net impact is that the needle of suspicion still points towards the two "endras". (In Malayalam "vEndran" means a guy capable of anything.) I only wish Subramaniam swamy files a case against TN govt., which will make the govt to defend itself.

All in all, this is a very curious situation : the more the two pontiffs are considered innocent and allowed to walk free, the more suspect their role appears to be and they get perceived as less and less innocent!!

 

[kunjuppu]

All in all, this is a very curious situation : the more the two pontiffs are considered innocent and allowed to walk free, the more suspect their role appears to be and they get perceived as less and less innocent!!

dear sangom,

i was searching for these words. these aptly describe the situation. however loud the fans may shout, there is this shadow of doubt that will follow these two.

whispers will abound. the net result, is it will effectively shut these two, from any public life. for whatever they say, will be weighed and filtered through the lens of disbelief/sarcasm/justice/indignation/commonsense and such like.

do folks really believe that any credibility is left here? sad.

for i too, wish the seers had steered away from sinking their feet into pools which are too deep for them to fathom. the path to God through poverty, however incomplete or partial it may be, it still is better than the the same path through wealth.

oh well!!

 

[prasad1]

If there was an impartial prosecutor, this case would not have come to trial. The burden of proof in capitol murder is much higher. You have produce forensic evidence? Where is the murder weapon, where is the DNa evidence, where is the physical evidence to connect the "TWO" to the crime. Let us face that conspiracy theories, and conspiracy hunter abound.
There is no amount of evidence can vindicate the "two" for some people.
I am not a "however loud the fans may shout", but I am follower of Agatha Christie's novel, and a perry mason fan. This conspiracy was hatched by interested parties, and is being kept alive by interested parties.

 

[கால பைரவன்]

All in all, this is a very curious situation : the more the two pontiffs are considered innocent and allowed to walk free, the more suspect their role appears to be and they get perceived as less and less innocent!!

This is interesting.

If the pontiffs were convicted instead of freed as happened in this case, will they be perceived more innocent?!

It appears some were/are convinced of the Seers' guilt for one reason or the other and are unable to bear the fact that the court considered them not guilty.

however loud the fans may shout, there is this shadow of doubt that will follow these two.
whispers will abound. the net result, is it will effectively shut these two, from any public life. for whatever they say, will be weighed and filtered through the lens of disbelief/sarcasm/justice/indignation/commonsense and such like.

Yes! There may always be some folks like those seen in this forum who will make sure of this happening!

For a moment, let's imagine what would have happened if the courts had found the Seers guilty? I doubt if anyone will be allowed here to express dissent at the court's opinion without being castigated as a religious fanatic! And I think that reveals something!

 

[prasad1]

Recalling the Kanchi Sankaracharya Case - The New Indian Express

Mr. Gurumurthy writes:

No debate on the Sankaracharya judgment will be complete without recalling the vicious and hurtful discourse against the Acharya and the Mutt and how the ancient institution and its faithful underwent the all round assault and pain silently. When the entire spectrum of secular, human rights and liberal megaphones had turned against the Mutt and the Acharya and desecrated them, it was only The New Indian Express which stood for what it believed was right-- namely that the Mutt and the Acharya were being hounded without basis and the case itself was groundless. The judicial verdict exonerating the Acharyas and all the others charged with the crime implies that the entire case was misdirected.

But, based on counter investigation, The New Indian Express said so within days of the arrest of the Acharya. “The Case Is Dead. Who Will Do The Funeral And When?” This was the title of third of the five articles on the Sankaracharya case that appeared in The New Indian Express. This article appeared on November 24, 2004, exactly 12 days after the seer’s arrest on the auspicious Deepavali day. The article opened thus: “On counter investigation, we found the case against the Sankaracharya not just slippery, but actually groundless from day one. Not just that. It involves a bit of fabrication too. Yes the fabrication to fix the Acharya. The police are running for cover. They may not give up yet and may fabricate more to put the case which is dead on life support system. But the case is irretrievably lost.”

The reward for these articles was an arrest warrant against me and almost a search on The New Indian Express and even the Thuglak magazine, which had carried the Tamil version of the articles. As usual the judiciary came to the rescue and passed orders restraining the state. I was questioned by the Superintendent of Police who led the investigation. When I asked him why he was suspecting the Acharya to be the offender, he said that the victim had been sending highly offensive letters to the Acharya and therefore he had a motive to eliminate him. I asked him whether he thought of the possibility of someone inimical to the Acharya eliminating the victim to put the blame on the Acharya. He was blank. I told him that the criminal investigation has to exhaust all the possibilities before opting for one particular view. That is precisely what the police in the Sankaracharya case failed and neglected to do. The result was a huge and costly lapse -- and great hurt to a noble institution and to its silent and peaceful faithfuls. The Sankaracharya case verdict is a lesson for all-- the police, state, media and the liberals --every one of them sided with the police and against the Acharya. Will they now introspect?

I am not a fan of any organized religion, or God men, but accord all human the right to due process. I accept the due process of law. Reasonable people will come to the same conclusion. But then there are unreasonable few who can never be convinced.

 

[Raji Ram]

Dear Prof Sir,

We can not comment on your open questions because we are neither police officers nor CBI!

They are supposed to 'thuppu thulakkify'!

P.S: We depend on 'news papers' which make us confuse between car and private jet!

 

[mkrishna100]

I am not a fan of any organized religion, or God men, but accord all human the right to due process. I accept the due process of law. Reasonable people will come to the same conclusion. But then there are unreasonable few who can never be convinced.

People having extreme love for Kanchi Acharyas and Extreme Hatred for Kanchi Acharyas are experiencing different emotions in this case . The former had a tough time answering why these Acharyas were arrested in the first place and latter are having a tough time answering why the hell they still doubt them when the court has given them a clean chit .

I am neither a fanatic admirer of the Acharyas nor have hatred towards them and my view is the same as what Gurumurthy has conveyed in his last para :

I was questioned by the Superintendent of Police who led the investigation. When I asked him why he was suspecting the Acharya to be the offender, he said that the victim had been sending highly offensive letters to the Acharya and therefore he had a motive to eliminate him. I asked him whether he thought of the possibility of someone inimical to the Acharya eliminating the victim to put the blame on the Acharya. He was blank. I told him that the criminal investigation has to exhaust all the possibilities before opting for one particular view. That is precisely what the police in the Sankaracharya case failed and neglected to do. The result was a huge and costly lapse -- and great hurt to a noble institution and to its silent and peaceful faithfuls. The Sankaracharya case verdict is a lesson for all-- the police, state, media and the liberals --every one of them sided with the police and against the Acharya. Will they now introspect?

I feel it is not only in this case but in most of the high profile cases the same mistake is being made time and again . Even when few weeks back when BJP leader Auditor Ramesh was murdered most of the people here started blaming some Islamic fundamentalist for the same and I took the stand that Islamic fundamentalist can be only one of the suspects but not the only suspect and if we go about hunting only for Islamic suspects then we will loose track of the original killers ( not that I am giving a clean chit to Islamic suspects ) .

Even in the Sankararam Murder case I am not giving a clean chit to anyone but now since the court has acquitted the Achrayas and other accused the onus is now on the Establishment to speak where they erred and how they erred . If they deliberately allowed the case to be weakened then they must answer why did they arrest them in the first place ? If they feel that DMK Government weakened the case during their time then they must establish what motive they had in doing the same . If the establishment wanted they could have given proper protection to the witness and seen to it that they did not turn hostile ? Why did they fail to do it ? Also if the DMK was seem to be diluting the case during its regime why did not the AIADMK protest against that dilution at that time ? So lot of questions need to be answered by the DMK and AIADMK establishment in why this lack of interest /enthusiasm in this case during the last few years ?