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Spiritual Frauds

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RVR said:
You seems to know the meaning of Paramahamsa and the special gayathri.

People misuse the name of Paramahamsa and are insulting the great Ramakrishna Paramahamsar.

It only shows Kaliyuga is deteriorating in front of us.
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rvr,

Every human is unique.

Paramahamsa is a title conferred upon beings either by other gurus or self-proclaimed,just like a swayambhu.Sanathana Dharma is way too ancient,if one wants to dwell on the past.aadiyum illai anthammum illai,neither a start nor an end....the sooner acceptance of hindu as the founding father/mother of all religion gathers acceptance,sarva lokas samasthas sukhino bhavanthu,will be a reality.to me such a reality is already existing,only a small pocket of disturbances taking place around the world.i have statrted to learn to see the global view,slowly,hopefully god will grace his blessings,i pray.

love and peace

nachi naga.
 
Dear all,

The Swan is supposed to have the ability to seperate water from milk...
This denotes the discriminative(Viveka) faculty which is in full function and having the ability to discriminate between Real and Unreal....

A person who has reached that state is called a Supreme Swan..Parama (Supreme) Hansa(Swan).

Its a state where one swims around like a Supreme Swan in the Mansarovar(Lake of our Mind)

renu
 
renukakarthikayan said:
Dear all,

The Swan is supposed to have the ability to seperate water from milk...
This denotes the discriminative(Viveka) faculty which is in full function and having the ability to discriminate between Real and Unreal....

A person who has reached that state is called a Supreme Swan..Parama (Supreme) Hansa(Swan).

Its a state where one swims around like a Supreme Swan in the Mansarovar(Lake of our Mind)

renu
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Renukaji,

Correct explanation given by you for the word"swan".This is what I was also taught in my classes.

The ability to take what is to be taken and discard the unwanted matter .Rightly worded by you "Maanasa Sarovaram".

W have such simple and lucid explanations among us. But overlooking all these, we need some other stamps and brands for acceptance.


Greetings
note; I do not want to link with the oblique reference underlying the relative post,and only dwell on the literal word hamsa.).
 
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nachi naga said:
Ennapadam Panchajanya

DRS thank you.

nachi naga.
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Thank you Shri nachi, for this link... I was especially interested in the series 'Gandhi & Nehru - betrayers, nay destroyers of Bharatavarsha'...

I had the privilege to read Godse's book where the series of logical and scintillating thought processes behind his actions were put forth.

On the same note I had also read 'Freedom at Midnight' where Godse is depicted as a person of mental imbalance...!!

I read elsewhere, in this forum, that a member was banned for voicing against the actions of Gandhi; what an atrocity! (IMO)...

We are fed the cud of pro-christian/islamic view of our country through the pages of history, right from our childhood that we take it for granted and never dare to think outside it!

Apologies for this digression in this thread, but I couldn't resist it.

Regards,
 
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sapthajihva said:
Thank you Shri nachi, for this link... I was especially interested in the series 'Gandhi & Nehru - betrayers, nay destroyers of Bharatavarsha'...

I had the privilege to read Godse's book where the series of logical and scintillating thought processes behind his actions were put forth.

On the same note I had also read 'Freedom at Midnight' where Godse is depicted as a person of mental imbalance...!!

I read elsewhere, in this forum, that a member was banned for voicing against the actions of Gandhi; what an atrocity! (IMO)...

We are fed the cud of pro-christian/islamic view of our country through the pages of history, right from our childhood that we take it for granted and never dare to think outside it!

Apologies for this digression in this thread, but I couldn't resist it.

Regards,
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sj,

ouch.i was the one who posted.personally i dont like godse,jinnah.they ruined a happy ending for independance of india.anyways,that aside,
i learnt from elders that some huge sacrifices were done for acheiving independance.actually tears used roll down my cheeks,some stories i have heard.my only time was during indo-pak war,all the country fully geared and united,indiraji like goddess durga blazing inspiring.but i wish she had brought pakistanis back into india,instead a new country called bangla-desh formed.hope at least now as saarc nations we become functional democracies,peace prevail all over.

nachi naga.
 
sapthajihva said:
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I had the privilege to read Godse's book where the series of logical and scintillating thought processes behind his actions were put forth.
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Sapthajihva, could you please summarize Godse's thought process that led to the violent death of MG?

Thanks....
 
Shri Nara, I may not be able to summarize it now as it was a decade back that I read the book, but here is a link (which of course you can google) which could provide some insight:

Statement of Nathuram Godse

and this:

Godse

Btw, I notice that your avatar has changed... nice...:wave:

Regards,
 
sapthajihva said:
Statement of Nathuram Godse and this: Godse
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Thanks, I will take a look.

Btw, I notice that your avatar has changed... nice...:wave:
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I hope you guessed why....

best....
 
Dear Nara anna,

I really like your new avatar...I find donkeys really very very cute...
You know I read somewhere that donkeys are not really stubborn but very intelligent...

You see dogs are working non stop for their masters...loyally...hard workers
Donkeys on the other hand are smart workers...if they dont want to work..they wont move..no matter how much their master hits them..

Donkeys are aware of their work,overtime and their basic rights...

this time I am not going to say Ha Ha Ha but rather He Haw He Haw...

renu
 
sathya sai baba explains

Sai Baba's Teachings on Advaita or Non-Dualism
Devotee: Swami, what is the best way to relate to the world?

Sai Baba: Do not think about the world. Do not spend time thinking about the world or about your relationships to individuals. These are all impermanent. They will not last. Pay attention to that which lasts, to that which is permanent. All things involving the world and human relationships have to do only with the body. The body is like a water bubble. The mind is like a mad monkey. So do not follow the body or the mind. Follow the voice of God. It is the voice of unchanging truth inside you. It will direct you toward your highest good.
If doubts come, do not follow them. Jesus had some doubts on the cross when the soldiers were tormenting him. Then he heard the voice of God telling him, "All are one, my dear son. Be alike to everyone." At that point the last doubt dropped away and Jesus declared, "I and my Father are one." He realised the truth of the oneness of Self and God. This is the state of Advaita, of complete Non-Dualism, where there is only unity. If you listen to the voice of God inside you, it will tell you that there is no difference between you and God. There never was a difference. It was your imagination only. The sense of difference was only in your mind. There is no separate I or God which has to become one. There never was any other. Always there was just the one, without a second. To reach this highest truth, do not think that you and God are separate. Think always "God is with me. He is inside me. He is around me. He is above me. All there is is God. I, myself, am God. I am the infinite. I am the eternal. I am not two. I am one, only one. There is no one else besides me. I and God are one and the same." That is called self-confidence; it is the confidence that you are atma, the one Self. You develop self-confidence by thinking all the time "God is doing everything, without God I cannot be." When you realise that God is not outside of you and separate from you, then you gain self-confidence. Then there is love, there is peace, there is truth and there is God. So first there must be self-confidence and love of God. What are you thinking about now? You are thinking about the body, but the body is just a water bubble. The body is just a dress, only a dress.

Devotee: Swami, you say that everything is God, but isn't the body also God? If everything is God, then the body must also be God?

Sai Baba: You are asking about the body. You are thinking about the body, not of God. If you only think of God, then, for you, there will be only God. But now you are thinking of the body. The body is an instrument; it is made of matter; and matter is always changing. The world also is always changing, but God is never changing. God is the one unchanging spirit.

Devotee: Is Swami's body also just an instrument?

Sai Baba: Swami's body is like all bodies. All bodies are just instruments. All bodies are only temporary. They have birth. They have death. The indweller of the body is permanent. That is the atma, the one Self. That is you. That is the real you. You are the immortal Self, not the body.

Devotee: Swami, how do we rise up to that highest level? How do we become perfect?

Sai Baba: Through love, only through love. Develop divine love or Prema. Divine love is completely selfless. Human love is mostly selfish. All the time it thinks only of this little 'I'. This little 'I' is the ego. Ego is a bad quality. It sees everything as separate. It sees everything as dual. Remove this ego and you will see only unity. Where there is duality, divinity will not be present. Think only of the basis of everything. Think only of God. Now for you at present there is only desire, desire, desire: I want this! I want that! Desires are just passing clouds. They come and they go. One moment they give pleasure and the next moment they give pain. They cannot give permanent joy. Desires make up the mind. The mind is nothing but a bundle of desires. Every thought in the mind comes from desire. Don't follow the mind. Don't follow those passing clouds. Desire comes, desire goes, but morality comes and grows. Morality is very important. Follow morality; practise it.

Devotee: Swami, should we think of God as being both father and mother?

Sai Baba: Your physical mother is only with you for some years. She is your temporary mother. Your physical father is also only temporary. The real relationship is different. Truth is the real father. Truth is permanent. Truth has no birth; it has no death. Prema, divine love, is the real mother. Devotion is the real brother. Wisdom is the real son. Peace is the real daughter. For all of these relationships there is no change; there is no birth, there is no death. They make up your permanent relationship, your relationship with God.

Devotee: Swami, if Divinity is my permanent relationship and all these others are only temporary relationships, then do I still have to take care of my family at home?

Sai Baba (very firmly): You must! That is your duty. Do your duty. Take care of your family.

Devotee: Even if it takes me away from God?

Sai Baba: No! No! No! No! Do not abandon your family. You must take care of your husband and your children. Do your duty. Duty is God. Work is worship. Do not forsake your duty.

Devotee: But Swami, not even when God calls?

Sai Baba (laughingly): God is in you. He is with you. He is above you. He is below you. He is around you. He is not calling or sending for you. He is always with you. He is you. You, yourself, are God. Always think like that. "I am God. I am God. I am atma. I am everything." Think like that and do your duty at home. God is not sending for you or asking you to come from somewhere. You are God. He is always with you.

Devotee: Swami, is everything predetermined? Is the time we take to merge already mapped out? When we finally merge and get realisation, is that moment already written on our foreheads?

Sai Baba: For atma there is no time and there is no space. It is beyond time and beyond form. In this Self all are one. Remember that unity. Live in that unity. Make that your goal. All are one. Be alike to everyone.

Devotee: Then Swami, what is the relationship between the Self and the individual?

Sai Baba: Where is Self? It is everywhere. How do you know? You do not know. You have no experience of it, so do some sadhana, some spiritual practice. Experience it. Practise it. Live it. Realise it.

Devotee: But Swami, what I wanted to ask is "Do I have an individual higher Self? Is there an individual higher Self that is specifically related to me?"

Sai Baba: The individual exists only in your imagination, in your mind. It is just an illusion. It is not real. When the one Self is everywhere, when it is one without a second, then where is the individual? It is only in your imagination. The Self alone is real. Realise it.

Devotee: Swami, is there really no higher being related uniquely to this body, judging me or guiding me?

Sai Baba: You are still in one hundred percent body consciousness. Do not stay with this body-consciousness. Remove it. Take it away. What will remain will be God-consciousness. Then there will be no anger, no hatred, no envy, no jealousy, no desire, no ego, only pure joy, only complete bliss, only bliss, bliss, bliss.

Devotee: But then what is reborn? When we reincarnate, what is born?

Sai Baba: The body is born. Birth and death only have to do with the body. Ego relates only to the body. Reincarnation relates only to the body. Do not think of the body, think of the atma. It is one. It is unchanging. For that one Self there is no incarnation; there is no reincarnation.

Devotee: Swami, do I, as an individual, exist at all?

Sai Baba: I! I! I! Always this I. First you must ask "Who is this I? Who am I?"

Devotee (persisting): But Swami is there no individual anything?

Sai Baba: When you realise the Self, then there is no separate individual. You can think of individuals as different light bulbs. There will be differences in wattage. There will be differences in age, in colour, in form, in name. One is a tube light and another is a bulb light. There will be differences in shape, but everywhere the current that powers them is the same. That current is you. You are not a bulb that appears different from any other bulb. You are the current, the one current that is found in all the bulbs. That is who you are.

Devotee: Swami, is there any difference between God and me?

Sai Baba: You are God. You are not the ego. You are God! You are God!

Devotee (incredulously): I am God???

Sai Baba: Yes! Yes! You are atma, the one Self. You are permanent. The physical body is not permanent. The physical is not the Self, but you are the Self, not the physical. You are God. Think like this always. Do not think about the body. Think about God. The body comes and goes. For the body there is birth and death, but you are not the body. The body is just rust and dust.

Devotee: Swami, I do healing and I wanted to ask......

Sai Baba (interrupting): Healing comes from God. Think of God. God is everything. He will always do what is needed. Think only of surrendering to God. You may say, "I am healing others", but this is just your ego speaking. Healing cannot come through the ego. Thinking that you are doing healing is very harmful. You are not the one who is doing the healing. You are only the instrument. God does everything. Think only of Him. Love Him.

Devotee: Swami, how can we love something we don't understand?

Sai Baba: Develop self-confidence, then love will follow. It will come naturally, from within. In that way the love will be pure. Your journey starts with self-confidence and ends with the realisation of the Self. That Self is you; it is God. This is who you really are. Self-confidence is unwavering love for the divinity within. What will help you to develop this confidence? Be equal-minded. Be satisfied with what you have. Don't hanker for anything outside. Be happy! The secret of happiness lies not in doing what you like but in liking what you have to do. That is a great truth. Always have complete faith in God, Who takes care of everything. True greatness can only come from faith. Now there is no confidence in you. Without confidence your faith will be shaking and wavering. Then where is there room for grace to come in? Where is the room for the Divinity to come inside? If you shut the door, how can the spirit be revealed?
Devotee: Lord, I want to merge with you. What do I have to do? I am ready.

Sai Baba: Through love, only through love. Love is everything. Love is God. Live in love. Start the day with love, spend the day with love, fill the day with love and end the day with love. That is the way to God.

Devotee: Swami, how do we develop this selfless love?

Sai Baba: Only through God's Grace. Prema, divine selfless love, comes only through God's Grace. Without Grace you cannot do anything. First do your duty and think about God all day, from morning until evening. See everything as God and be happy. Think to yourself "O Lord, you are my everything. You are my goal. You are my breath." Do not think that this is mine or that is mine or that this is not mine. Instead, think, "All is you, Lord. All is yours." Think, "I am beyond the body. Mind is just a mad monkey. I am the Self. I and God are one." Think like this "Before this body was formed, I was there. After this body goes, I will still be there. I am omnipresent. I am the all." To reach this truth you have to do some spiritual practice.

You have to inquire: What is God? Who is God? Who am I? The first step in self-realisation is to always think of God and after some years you will know that you are one with God. Jesus spent twelve years in the desert before he realised this fact. In the beginning you can think that this whole world is just like a stage and you are only an actor. God is the director. All of Humanity are actors. God is directing everything. But do not stop there. Move on and identify only with God. Think God. Be God.

Devotee: Swami, shall we go out and tell these things to other people?

Sai Baba: Do not talk so much. Do some spiritual practice. First do. Then be. Then you can talk, but only a little. Do some meditation. Do everything with love. Be good, see good and do good. After you develop self-confidence and love for God, you can share with others, but it is a good rule not to talk too much. Talk very little, even about God. In spiritual practice there will always be internal talk with God. You will give up all attachments and attach only to God. For this, purity of the heart is very important. Where there is no purity, there is no unity. Without unity, you cannot attain divinity. Then your whole life is just a waste. First purity, next unity. Then you realise divinity.

Devotee: And purity comes from service, Swami?

Sai Baba: Yes, purity comes from selfless love, from doing selfless service. All are one family, so serve all, not just the Sai family, but the whole world family. All are brothers and sisters. All are one. Be alike to everyone. That is unity, the brotherhood of man and the fatherhood of God.

Devotee: Swami, even in a country like Germany, where there is not much spiritual feeling?

Sai Baba: Germany, Japan, America, Italy, France... the countries are all different but the heart is the same. God is everywhere. Everywhere you can do service and develop your love. Wherever you are, do everything with devotion and love. You have Swami's blessing. Know that, always.
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"You are divine, that is the truth.
You and the Universal are one.
You and the Absolute are one.
You and the eternal are one.
You are not the individual, the particular, the temporary.
Feel this. Know this. Act in conformity with this."
Sri Sathya Sai Baba

http://www.ramalacentre.com/newsletter09_99_03.htm​



further sathya sai speaks
A washerman had a dog and a donkey; the donkey to carry the​



clothes to the river and back, the dog to watch the clothes hung to dry. One day, the dog refused
to bark, for it was illtreated that morning by the master; it was mum even when a thief was
bundling up the clothes. So, the donkey decided to bray in order to warn the washerman. But he
mistook it as sheer impertinence and so, without pursuing the thief, he belaboured the poor beast​
for all its pains! Each must do only one's allotted task; or else, confusion will arise and multiply
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Dear nachi nagaJi,

Thanks a lot for this article....I has so many answers to so many questions...

renu
 
renukakarthikayan said:
.... this time I am not going to say Ha Ha Ha but rather He Haw He Haw...
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he haw renu,

You know the Democrats here in the US use the donkey as their symbol, elephant is the symbol for the Republicans. Even though the Democrats are too much to the right of where one can find true love and justice, at least they are a little less farther away from this than the Republicans. So, here, another reason why donkey is not such a bad thing to be. At the very least it does not act as a Mr. Know-it-all -- after all it is an actual jackass, unlike some here who act like a jackass in spite of being a human.

love to you my sister renu
 
Prof Nara,

Let us love and respect donkey.

Donkey is not doing any harm to anybody

On the contrary it helps humans to a great extent.

In villages still donkey milk is administered to new born babies to improve the working of the throat.

Donkey helps washer men in transporting clothes.

There is still a belief when Donkey cries, it is a good `omen'. Donkey has appeared in films also ( 16 Vayathinile) and the film was a big hit.

We should be careful in avoiding a donkey kick from back side.

Long live donkey

All the best
 
It is almost 10 days now and Nityananda and his followers are not challenging the video tapes appeared in the media.

According to one of my friend, there was discussion about the tape in Sun TV's rival - `star vijay tv' (belonging to global `star' media group) and in that program an independent expert has confirmed that the tapes are correct and not doctored.

I wish Nityananda openly admits to the facts appeared in the tape and challenge the Sun TV in a court of law for intruding into his privacy. He can simply say that he did whatever appeared in the tape to improve the morale of Ranjitha who came to him in a depressed condition.

Most of his believers are not going to turn against him because of the TV episode. Probably he will attract new set of clientale to personally benefit from Nityananda's morale improvements techniques.

He can sue the photographer and the media for huge compensation.

Nityananda seems to follow the same policy adopted by his predecessors who have faced global media expositions.

BBC exposed the miracle frauds of Puttabarthi Sai Baba long back. But nobody has challenged the tapes as doctored till date. The fraudulent activities are continuing as ever before.

There is a proverb in Tamil. மௌனம் சம்மததிருக்கு அறிகுறி
By keeping silent, they are accepting that the tapes are true.

All the best
 
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rvr anna,

RVR said:
Nityananda confirms that he is there in the video

Yes, it was me in the video: Swami Nityananda- TIMESNOW.tv - Latest Breaking News, Big News Stories, News Videos
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Now let him boldly take action against the photographer and media.
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your suggestion is noted,thank you.

He has to take them to court so that no body enters the private life of an individual.
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at least,one body will enter his body like yours,entering your private life ,like an individual.

If these people are allowed to go free, then they can fix cameras in every bathroom and bed room.

Let us all hope that the fight is taken to the other side.

All the best
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that is already happening,only the public is not aware of it.and that awareness and expose,will be a story for media for another time,as these times are for,exposing "Hindu,in particular in India,and selectively,only Christians,in the west" by the media.You must have read,recently,the Catholics were exposed again and again,for pedophile activities,in USA,UK,Ireland,Germany,...etc.In a nutshell,the media have zeroed upon,a good biz tacticsto increase revenue,profits,and also,remove the chaff from the wheat.

anna,rvr,i am reminded of a saying

shirdi sai baba & Mahaswamigal-walked the talk.

parthi sai baba & hdg jayendrar swamigal - fly the talk.

mandya sai baba & hdg vijayendrar swamigal - will manifest the talk.

this is my opinion only,sanathana dharma truth.

legend:hdg= his / her divine grace.

nachi naga.
 
sister renu,

recently a democrat who hold a very position in the obama administartion,came in my dream,and said,the animal is "mule" neither a donkey nor a jackass,but i said to him in my dream,no madam its a horse.and after that i woke up,and see the democrats galloping and winning the race,in real life.maybe its my dream which is true in real life.glory to"swapnam" either in sleep-sleep,awake-sleep,deep-sleep,all are sama-aadhis.

nachi naga.
 
Dear all,

I am starting to admire Nithyananda now because he can handle blame and persecution really well...whether he is innocent or even guilty...
He still appears so calm and composed despite being so targetted...
 
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