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now that law enforcement agencies have put rajasekaran in jail,i accept,that by giving him benefit of doubt was worth it.so,i can safely write him as ordinary spiritual being,who succumbed to pursuit of flesh,like a ordinary man.wish he had not preached about sanyasi,and calling himself swami,as ochre color does have a visual effect of bhakthi.good going rvr,with our gut instinct,bravo :):faint:
 
However, CID sleuths decided to ignore him, believing he was only trying to sidetrack the investigation. The swami’s passport clearly mentions his gender as male, not transgender. The CID plans to take a call on this after receiving the report of the Forensic Science Laboratory, Hyderabad, on a CD that has 36 video clips of Nityananda with at least five different women. The CID had sent the CD to Hyderabad for analysis and hopes to get the report on Friday, sources said.



Dear all...

Just for info..in a case of a transgender the gender will be stated as male in pasport in most 3 world countries as a 3rd sex classification is not defined yet..

In case of Klinefelter syndrome the Chromosomal Pattern is XXY
A normal male is XY

XXY are charecteristically tall,long limbs,smooth skin,less body and facial hair,small genitals(sometimes not capable of an erection),small budding breast and voice remains very much male and prominent Adam's apple.
They are also known to be intelligent and creative but usually in 3rd world countries not given much chance to display all these.
Their sexual drive is like any male but they tend to be more sensitive owing to an extra X chromosome.

They are also known to have greater spiritual strength than the normal male(non medical study) owing again to the extra X chromosome.
 
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for some reasons we call transgender as ' 9 ' onbodhu - ஒன்பது !!
 
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Fakes cant forge

Hi All,

Sanadhana dharma/Hinduism as such is not a religion which sprang up all of a sudden due to wars/or for a particular group of people. It is vedic and vedas are truth by itself. Frauds are like passing clouds, which cant hide the SUN for a longer time. By its principles and values of its own, hindu dharma, has survived a lots of obstacles and shall do so for yugas to come.

Santh se bana hua dharma Sanathana

We have to be choosy in following the so called God men. Stronger Belief in THYSELF, shall guide us for a good life. Do not pay attention to frauds and get diverted.

Anyatha Saranam Nasthee.
 
PRANAMS TO ALL
FIRST OF ALL SO CALLED GODMAN OR SANNYASI ARE HUMAN BEINGS BORN TO A MONTHER. WHAT IS OR HOW MUCH ONE CAN RATIONALY FOLLOW, SHOULD HAVE SOME LIMIT TO ONESELF.

MANY MUTTS ARE DOING GOOD TO PEOPLE AND CHARITIES AND SOCIAL DEVELOPMENTS IN REGIONS WHERE IT IS REQUIRED. LIKE MATHA AMIRTHA MATT AND SRI SWAMINARAYAN SANSTHA ETC AND MANY MORE ARE THERE.

IN GENERAL ONE SHOULD NOT SHED THE TEARS WHILE ASSOCIATING THEM SELF WITH THESE GOD MAN/ MUTTS ETC

SARVE GEEVAHA SUGHINO BAVANTHU :bowl: SAMASTHA MANGALANI SANTHU
 
A rule of thumb regarding sadhus, sanyasis, gurus etc., which my great grandfather (he was a very orthodox, pious brahmin and lived up to 84 years and so we had occasions to hear stories etc., from him) is that a person who has 'really' attained brahmajnaanam will never, ever come out in the open to advertise himself (or, herself, in our times!) as a guru etc. Secondly, there is no need for us to go in search of a guru; one will come to you IF you have reached that stage of eligibility. Hence he told us not to go to any sadhu, sanyasi etc., in search of manthra-deekshai, upadesam, hearing lectures etc. He, however, wanted grihasthas to give bhikshai - that too at the door step, not inside the house - to any saffron-clad man/woman coming for food.

I follow these rules and am happy. But there are many who want "moksham" through a guru right after this birth itself and in their eagerness go to these swamis.
 
Sri Sangom,

My views are in blue.


A rule of thumb regarding sadhus, sanyasis, gurus etc., which my great grandfather (he was a very orthodox, pious brahmin and lived up to 84 years and so we had occasions to hear stories etc., from him) is that a person who has 'really' attained brahmajnaanam will never, ever come out in the open to advertise himself (or, herself, in our times!) as a guru etc.

Perfectly correct. I fully agree with you.

Secondly, there is no need for us to go in search of a guru; one will come to you IF you have reached that stage of eligibility.

Bagavan Ramana Maharishi and Vallimalai Swamigal got Sadguru Seshadri Swamigal as Guru after they reached a higher stage. I fully agree with you that a Guru will evolve at the right time.

Hence he told us not to go to any s
adhu, sanyasi etc., in search of manthra-deekshai, upadesam, hearing lectures etc. He, however, wanted grihasthas to give bhikshai - that too at the door step, not inside the house - to any saffron-clad man/woman coming for food.

Saint Thiagayya was performing unchavarthi and was going after every house to collect his daily needs chanting Lord Rama. This happened just 160 years back.

I follow these rules and am happy. But there are many who want "moksham" through a guru right after this birth itself and in their eagerness go to these swamis.

Some people want `instant' results. Fraudulent Godmen know the weakness of such devotees.

All the best
 
ravi shankar appears to be a magnet for middle to rich ladies mostly tamil brahmins.

i have some female relatives who are fans of his. one of them had a huge cutout of him at her son's wedding. ravi sure looked wicked there.

in the interest of family peace, i kept staring at ravi. but kept quiet.

our friend silver, if he reaches ravi's level, i would consider him a success.
 
Self proclaimed God man Ravi Sankar has claimed that he was shot at last evening. But there seems to be lot of un answered questions.

Attack on Art of Living guru leaves some deadly mysteries - 1 - *National News ? News ? MSN India

All the best

Hope you are not going to write off Sri Ravi Shankar as a spiritual fraud too.

Since you have also mentioned Sri Satya Sai in one of your posts above (yet again), i have decided to come out in defence of Satya Sai. Just bcoz i have moved on to other teachings does not mean that i give up on Satya Sai (SS). So yes, please consider me his spokesperson for this thread.

Previously too, i wud have discussed your arguements abt SS, but unfortunately you mentioned that "he is not from our community" - which shows that caste matters to you in such things - that sir was a huge turn off for me (dunno if you are praying to shiva bhagavan bcoz he 'belongs to our community').

You also seem selective in your rationalism while invoking Kovoor. The outcome of your irrational side was all those posts on a mutt, which i deeply regret and have been asking praveen to delete them (i hope and pray he deletes this whole thread). By now anyways, am sure you understand that just as faith make you defensive, it works the same way for others too.

Even in the Nityananda episode, i wonder if you wud have rushed to post negative comments if he were a brahmin. Am not defending him (bcoz of various things and other charges), but please let me know which ekadandi sampradaya actually bans sex per se for sanyasis? Did not Adi Shankara have sex? Ofcourse he did and it helped him to prove that the body is not brahman (it helped him to trounce the purva mimansa view of Mandana Mishra).

To top it, you mentioned a hotel case and put up the stand of birlas and the marwari community. What you are saying does pretty much come thru between the words. I wonder what makes you assign hotels to liquor and girls. But then I suppose, Vijay Mallya brewing liquor and his former playboy image should all be ok to you - because he is a brahmin. Again, it is the caste affiliation that will decide tings for you...

Hope you realise that its precisely this type of attitude that gives rise to the hyprocisy image of some brahmins. I already mentioned some harsh comments some NBs make abt Bs - does it not hurt? (let me also add that those comments are made by tamilians, not telugu folk - i am telling this bcoz i fear you may assign the 'prejudice' value to the variables 'telugu' and 'NB' - till date, in my observation, the opposition to 'meddle' with varnas, shastras, etc is coming from the telugu side).

So i request you to leave aside caste affiliation in this thread. Let us discuss the person for what he is worth. To begin with, let me start with my own observations - i myself have seen vibhuti coming out of the pix of SS. Please explain from your rational stand, how did that happen?
 
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its a huge diabolical conspiracy being hatched to malign new age gurus by vested interests.hinduism is being attacked.plus in fighting here about there ishta gurus is adding fuel to the conspiracy.i blame hindus for not being watchful to tear the fabric of india and divide it into smaller states like ussr,by enemies of india.may god bless us all.om.
 
The problem with Satya Sai Baba is that he claimed that he was God. At one time this God seemed to vomit a Sivalinga (in video, I mean) and then proclaimed that it weighed some 30 tons (yes, tons!) and hence his stagger after the event.

I once conversed with a young man who was studying in the College in Puttaparthi. He and the entire family were confirmed devotees of Satya Sai. Still, during the conversation, perhaps due to his immaturity, he blurted out that the students did not at all have any good opinion about Sai Baba. When I tried to find out why it was so, he became cautious and evaded a clear answer.

There was another family which was very devoted to Satya Sai. Eventually, they moved away but were reluctant to tell us the reasons.

I therefore feel that even among the devotees of Satya Sai Baba, there are many who would like to get off but are not able to.

Since Baba is now in wheel chair, naturally people started getting doubts about his claim to being God; if he cannot cure himself what will he be able to do for others, type of doubts. Perhaps to mollify such people and keep them within the flock, the Sai unit (I don't get its correct name) in Trivandrum installed an idol of Shirdi Sai Baba in their premises.

I will not agree that there is any national or international conspiracy against our new age Gurus, except themselves and their actions. You will see that Ramana was never attacked by any foreigner even though there were some murmurs in our country regarding his excessive attachment to a cow.

Swami Sivananda was also respected although even his most ardent devotees say that his 'poorvaasramam' was not anything ideal. So, it is only these new-age gurus who are flocking to the west who bring a bad name to the country.
 
sangom,
The problem with Satya Sai Baba is that he claimed that he was God. At one time this God seemed to vomit a Sivalinga (in video, I mean) and then proclaimed that it weighed some 30 tons (yes, tons!) and hence his stagger after the event.

anyone will stagger,after any gurgitation,except prolly a snake.BHagavan does these to awe masses so that they can be spiritual in life.swami's needs are so frugal,one would be stunned as to with what swami subsists.but the people who want to comment will comment about anybody and everybody,thats world.

I once conversed with a young man who was studying in the College in Puttaparthi. He and the entire family were confirmed devotees of Satya Sai. Still, during the conversation, perhaps due to his immaturity, he blurted out that the students did not at all have any good opinion about Sai Baba. When I tried to find out why it was so, he became cautious and evaded a clear answer.

everyone is entitled to an opinion,there is nothing immature about it,imho.

There was another family which was very devoted to Satya Sai. Eventually, they moved away but were reluctant to tell us the reasons.

a guru will distance himself/herself,once they know,that the sadhaka has reached a certain stage of evolvement,in spiritual quest of moksham.

I therefore feel that even among the devotees of Satya Sai Baba, there are many who would like to get off but are not able to.

maybe you are right and maybe you are wrong.either way ,does it really matter.

Since Baba is now in wheel chair, naturally people started getting doubts about his claim to being God; if he cannot cure himself what will he be able to do for others, type of doubts. Perhaps to mollify such people and keep them within the flock, the Sai unit (I don't get its correct name) in Trivandrum installed an idol of Shirdi Sai Baba in their premises.

just becoz lord krishna is not depicted in puranas in NOT a wheelchair but a pushpaka vimanam,does every avataram has to conform to written scriptures by humanity?does being in a wheelchair,make a avatar less avataric?

I will not agree that there is any national or international conspiracy against our new age Gurus, except themselves and their actions. You will see that Ramana was never attacked by any foreigner even though there were some murmurs in our country regarding his excessive attachment to a cow.

who said anything about mlecchas or foreigners?definitely not only hindus,even islam & christanity are under attack by atheists,commies,agnostics...in every part of the globe...these ungodly and adharmic foreces are evrywhere and must be stamped down...so an avatar like bhagavan sathya sai baba @ puttaparthi ,ap,india who is reincarnation of shirdi sai baba who in turn was reincarnation of dattatreya loed.just becoz these avatrams are not brahminical by birth especially puttaparthi sathya sai baba,this brahmin forum with a minority brahmin,are indulging in slander,of our greatest avatar in the century.

Swami Sivananda was also respected although even his most ardent devotees say that his 'poorvaasramam' was not anything ideal. So, it is only these new-age gurus who are flocking to the west who bring a bad name to the country.

just becoz if one drinks alcoho,eats meat,fornicates legally ie married.does not mean 'ideal' for spiritual life.if one notices,these preachings will be done by folks,who are celibate officially from young age and adorned a 'kaavi vasthram'.in fact rightly written,adi sankara had to do 'koodu vittu koodu payarthu' siddha in order to know sex life as a grihastha.

even though the king had died or on the verge of dying,adi sankara,did need the king's body,to experiance the life of that king.and to day adi sankara is one of the greatest avataram of lord shiva,even though lord shiva ppeared as chandala in front of him,as lord shiva was in two bodies, one and the same time,a siddhic feat.

so sathya sai baba displaying of siddhas,is to inculcate,spiritual life belief,and devotion to god.skeptics are welcome to test him and get convinced or not get convinced,becoz its mahima of sai baba,in the first place,whether one can be a devotee or not.
 
Ms Happy Hindu,

My replies are in blue.


Hope you are not going to write off Sri Ravi Shankar as a spiritual fraud too.

Since you have also mentioned Sri Satya Sai in one of your posts above (yet again), i have decided to come out in defence of Satya Sai. Just bcoz i have moved on to other teachings does not mean that i give up on Satya Sai (SS). So yes, please consider me his spokesperson for this thread.

Previously too, i wud have discussed your arguements abt SS, but unfortunately you mentioned that "he is not from our community" - which shows that caste matters to you in such things - that sir was a huge turn off for me (dunno if you are praying to shiva bhagavan bcoz he 'belongs to our community').

I think you are quoting me out of context. Kanchi Acharyas were criticized in this forum liberally. I my self criticised the present Kanchi Acharyas of whom I am suppose to be a follower. But those postings were not removed but when I criticised Puttabarthi Sai Baba, it was removed. In that context I questioned the administrations bias towards Puttabarthi Sai Baba.

Even today I have put up a negative posting about Ravi Sankar whom I presume is a Brahmin by birth.

If you go back to my previous postings, I have liberally praised Ramalinga Vallalar, Swamy Vivekananda and others who are not of brahmin orgin

I am not raising caste politics but you seems to be interested in it.

You also seem selective in your rationalism while invoking Kovoor. The outcome of your irrational side was all those posts on a mutt, which i deeply regret and have been asking praveen to delete them (i hope and pray he deletes this whole thread). By now anyways, am sure you understand that just as faith make you defensive, it works the same way for others too.

There are lot of discussions going on in other threads about who is a true rationalist and I am sure the debate will go on for ever. I am not asking the administration to delete any of the postings which were made previously including those which criticised Kanchi Mutt and its Acharyas. I am also follower of Kanchi mutt but I firmly believe in objective analysis of the mutt and its functioning . I don't know why people believing in the modern God men are so sensitive when they are criticised.

Even in the Nityananda episode, i wonder if you wud have rushed to post negative comments if he were a brahmin. Am not defending him (bcoz of various things and other charges), but please let me know which ekadandi sampradaya actually bans sex per se for sanyasis? Did not Adi Shankara have sex? Ofcourse he did and it helped him to prove that the body is not brahman (it helped him to trounce the purva mimansa view of Mandana Mishra).

Again I would like you to see my negative posting about Ravi Sankar today much before your posting appreared where I have criticised him inspite of his presumed Brahmin origin.

There is a saying, `every saint has a past and every sinner has a future'. Saint Arunagirinathar was spending his life with prostitutes till he was enlightened by Lord Muruga. But after he was conquered by Lord Muruga, he never looked back and was singing only on Lord Muruga. His composition of Tiruppugazh is wonderful master piece in Tamil.

But present day God man could not be compared with him since they are continuing the misdeeds after claiming that they are Sanyasis.

Adhi Sankarar took sanyas voluntarily without any pressure and lived as a `Sanyasi'. He entered a dead body to learn the grahastashrama life for a very short duration. Nowhere it is mentioned that he had sex during that short duration.


To top it, you mentioned a hotel case and put up the stand of birlas and the marwari community. What you are saying does pretty much come thru between the words. I wonder what makes you assign hotels to liquor and girls. But then I suppose, Vijay Mallya brewing liquor and his former playboy image should all be ok to you - because he is a brahmin. Again, it is the caste affiliation that will decide tings for you...

I am not an admirer of Vijay Mallaya or any of the liquor baron. I am a follower of Mahatma Gandhi who is not a brahmin by birth. When Vijay Mallaya bought the belongings of Mahatma Gandhi in an auction, I felt very bad and wrote in some other thread about my displeasure.

My admiration for Birlas (again not brahmins) for their principles is again proving that I am not a brahmin fanatic.

It is purely your imagination that I am a brahmin fanatic.


Hope you realise that its precisely this type of attitude that gives rise to the hyprocisy image of some brahmins. I already mentioned some harsh comments some NBs make abt Bs - does it not hurt? (let me also add that those comments are made by tamilians, not telugu folk - i am telling this bcoz i fear you may assign the 'prejudice' value to the variables 'telugu' and 'NB' - till date, in my observation, the opposition to 'meddle' with varnas, shastras, etc is coming from the telugu side).

Please go through my past writings where I have admired EVR in these columns who has criticised brahmins most. I have voluntarily attended his meetings and always go with the mindset that he is going to criticise my community. He is the father of Dravidian movement but he never went after any post and was interested in promoting rationalist mindset among the public which I have also inherited to some extent.

So i request you to leave aside caste affiliation in this thread. Let us discuss the person for what he is worth. To begin with, let me start with my own observations - i myself have seen vibhuti coming out of the pix of SS. Please explain from your rational stand, how did that happen?

I think you are only bringing caste affiliation in this forum. Before pointing the finger on the other, please make a honest self introspection.

Let us have a neutral venue and fraud proof conditions where you bring out Vibhuthi or any other material from a pix of SS or any other God man. I have already announced a reward of Rs. 5 lakhs which you can very well take it and make me poor to that extent if you can perform a miracle. Otherwise whatever experience you are having, please keep it within yourself and don't make any claims.

All the best
 
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Shankara was at a loss. For six months he had tried so hard; many times he had been thinking of giving up -- the old man was really very sharp even in his old age. Nobody has been able to stand against Shankara for six months, and now the wife says his victory is only half. Bharti said, "But I will also give you the chance to choose your judge."

He said, "Where am I going to find a better judge than Mandan Mishra? You are such simple and fair and sincere people. But Bharti was very clever, more clever than Shankara had imagined, because she started asking questions about the science of sex.

Shankara said, "Forgive me, I am a celibate and I don't know anything about sex."

Adi Shankaracharya Debate With Mandan Mishra, Osho on Adi Shankaracharya Debate

http://www.messagefrommasters.com/Life_of_Masters/AdiShankara/Shankaracharya-Leaving-Body.htm
 
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as long as mahaswamigal was alive in deham,despite the controversy of adi sankara's birth and the related controversy of kanchi mutt being a sidekick of shringeri sarada peetham,our maha swamigal by virtue of his siddhic feat carried the day.since i know only the maha swamigal and i will believe only maha swamigal,becoz he say's so that adi sankara established kanchi mutt - period.now,there are those who are aligned with sringeri mutt,and who are confounded,as to how kanchi mutt peedahtipadhis can claim,such an event,without any evidence.maha swamigal gave evidence also.despite that,some people still harangue,that kanchi mutt is a spiritual fraud,and total lies??

Adi Sankara
 
The Hindu : Front Page : ‘Adi Sankara's teachings relevant today'

acharyal of shringeri sharada peetham doing the honor's at kalady.

similiar controversy exist with kashmir mutt of adi sankara??govt of india,consulted all mutts,finally gave the verdict of adi sankara's birth,which to me is wrong,becoz for me maha swamigal is correct.i believe bhagavan sathya sai baba stayed clear of this controversial dates matter as well as jurisdictional matter wisely,but preaches advaitham to advaithees lovingly.sai ram.
 
....definitely not only hindus,even islam & christanity are under attack by atheists,commies,agnostics...in every part of the globe...these ungodly and adharmic foreces are evrywhere and must be stamped down....

Come on NN, what is wrong with them commies? They are not half as bad as the atheists and agnostics, are they?

Living in a land of beef eating mlechchas, and an atheist to boot, I am surely part of the adharmic forces you are talking about -- when is this avathara coming to stamp me down???

:)

Cheers!!!
 
nara,
Come on NN, what is wrong with them commies? They are not half as bad as the atheists and agnostics, are they?

coming to think of it,i actually admire mr.putin a lot.he is a well meaning russian towards global peace.yes,i cannot paint all commies,maybe some.

Living in a land of beef eating mlechchas, and an atheist to boot, I am surely part of the adharmic forces you are talking about -- when is this avathara coming to stamp me down???

:)

Cheers!!!

lol.ya rite.beef eating is not adharmic,when did i say that is adharmic?or meat eating is adharmic?or drinking ethyl alcohol is adharmic or fronicating legally is adharmic :)?you think india does not have non-veggies or what?india as a country has maximum vegetarians,thats all.mlechas in context,is foreigners who do not understand our way of life.just like how taliban,al-qaeda do not understand american way of life.

in your case,i presume you are a veggi,teetotaller,single vaginitis syndrome male :) ...so,you are not adharmic,but endowed with an mental berration temperorily,which i plan to convince,given an oppurtunity .. take care bud :)...hope kunjuppu does not mis-understand me as he is also northamerican..peace brothers
 
Strangely and ironically, shrI Sathya Sai Baba, accused for faking his miracles, is not found fault with by our CM MK or his son, despite their strong atheistic affiliations. When Baba visited his house, much to the dismay of his devotees, he created a ring out of thin air and gave it to MK's son. And then Durai Murugan wanted a ring too, so he obliged with his 'miracle' again.

For the record, Baba does not say that he is God. He says that everyone of us is a God, only that he has realized it.
 
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