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The gothram of a child

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Not only Brahmins, several other castes also follow them in marriages. For example, Baniyas and Rajputs follow the Gotra system.

In a court case "Madhavrao vs Raghavendrarao" which involved a Deshastha Brahmin couple, the German scholar Max Mueller's definition of gotra as descending from eight sages and then branching out to several families was thrown out by reputed judges of a Bombay High Court.[3] The court called the idea of Brahmin families descending from an unbroken line of common ancestors as indicated by the names of their respective gotras impossible to accept.[4] The court consulted relevant Hindu texts and stressed the need for Hindu society and law to keep up with the times emphasizing that notions of good social behavior and the general ideology of the Hindu society had changed.[5] The court also said that the mass of material in the Hindu texts is so vast and full of contradictions that it is almost an impossible task to reduce it to order and coherence.[3]
Gotra - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"To understand what it is to be human, it is essential to understand the human past," says Colin Renfrew of the University of Cambridge, who first coined the term "archaeogenetics" and is the author of a guest editorial in the special issue. "Nearly all civilizations have their own origin or creation myth. Now we can use archaeogenetics to tell a global story that is robust and applicable to all human communities everywhere."

The course and the extent of these first migrations remains evident in the genetic makeup of humans living today, but later migrations and the cultural practices that people carried with them -- farming in particular -- have also left their legacy. That legacy looks remarkably similar wherever farming spread, in Europe, Africa, and East Asia. Natural selection also left its mark: A review by Jonathan Pritchard of the University of Chicago examines evidence for the genetic basis of human adaptations and the extent to which differences among human populations in characteristics such as lactose tolerance have been selected for over evolutionary time.

Of course, there are many things about our ancient ancestors we will never be able to know with any certainty, Partha Majumder of the Indian Statistical Institute reminds us in his review of human genetic history in South Asia.

"About a thousand years ago, a small group of anatomically modern humans migrated out of Africa," he writes. "We will never know for sure which causes initiated this migration… The process continued for thousands of years; today humans occupy the entire world."

The full article can be viewed here.-
DNA evidence tells 'global story' of human history
 
Hmmm...Nice Googlee by Amirtham...So, the reply has to be given in such a way, that it does not amount to contempt of court.
So, i have sought my father's assistance and here is the reply.

1) The constitution does not accept that sagotra marriages are prohibited

2) But the constitution accepts
(a) Religion as an existent entity
(b) Hinduism as one of the Religions
(c) FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT TO RELIGION

Max Mueller has only reported what he has seen.

Anyway, THE ASHRAM OF SAGE BHARADWAJ IS STILL PRESENT IN PRAYAG, ALLAHABAD.
HIS DESCENDANTS HAVE ALL BRANCHED OUT TO ALL PARTS OF THE GLOBE AND THE COMMON METHOD OF TRACING THE ANCESTRY IS THE GOTHRAM.

NO-BODY HERE IS COMPETENT TO THROW ANYTHING OUT, WHEN THEY DID NOT BRING IT IN, IN THE FIRST PLACE.

RIGHT TO RELIGION is one of the FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS guaranteed by the Indian Constitution.

So, if a person practises hinduism, proclaims his ancestry as so and so Gotram, follows a set of religious practises, he/she is still doing so with his/her own RIGHT TO RELIGION---His/Her Fundamental Right.

So, to throw out the religious belief of someone, is to OFFEND ONE'S RELIGIOUS SENTIMENTS

Under the INDIAN PENAL CODE, offending religious sentiments is a crime, under IPC Section 295 A

your quote amirtham --- Good social behavior and the General ideology of the Hindu society had changed.

our explanation : social behaviour has taken on a new face that accomodates the past and the present and the future

general ideology of hindu society is still the same...the various hindu scriptural practises followed even today, from as simple a fact as the religious festival of Ganesh Chaturthi, is still the same and shall remain the same.

your quote amirtham : The court also said that the mass of material in the Hindu texts is so vast and full of contradictions that it is almost an impossible task to reduce it to order and coherence

our explanation : there is no contradiction in the hindu texts. but if you want to highlight the stars as shining objects and if you want to contradict the word STAR and replace it with SHINING OBJECTS, then if you have the MAJORITY in the PARLIAMENT and if the country keeps quiet, then, YOU MAY MOVE THE BILL FOR CONSIDERATION. such an act is referred to as CONTRADICTION to an earlier time-tested and accepted NORM.

So, contradiction, per se., is stemming from within the human mind that devotes itself to MISCHIEF.

Now, mischief is initself another IPC encompassing crime.

THE OBSERVATION OF THE JUDGES ARE NEVER FINAL AND BINDING.THE RESPONDENT CAN STILL BECOME THE APELLANT BY appealing to the trial court yet again and provide sufficient arguments in his defence and if it makes legal sense, the same may be treated as valid by law and accepted by the honourable judges.

It appears that in this case, the respondent has chosen to remain mum. That is his loss and the complainant's gain
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neither is it impossible to reduce it to order and coherence.

even today, the village temple in North India has a special role of maintenance of the details of the gotra and ancestry of each and every individual in that village.

This one evidence is ample evidence to prove coherence.

even today, marriages among the various castes are performed by searching like-minded partners within the same caste.

This one evidence is ample evidence to prove Order.
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This is From my Grandma :

Whether accepted or not, millions in this country get married, have children, eat, pray and sleep.

The Sun Rises, stays, moves and Sets...Only to Rise again the next day.

Today's judgment might be contested tomorrow, but the eternal laws CONTINUE TO LIVE ON, despite ATTEMPTS TO MEDDLE WITH IT, by humans.

The ones who Argue, invest their energy in arguments and lose focus of the INNER TRUTH. The ones who practise and move on, develop SUFFICIENT POWER to quell such opposition, they win and keep moving on.
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NETT-NETT .... Castes, Gotrams || Religion, Customs || Tradition, Culture || ... etc etc are the VARIETY OF THINKING PATTERNS.

THIS IS CALLED DIVERSITY, IN ENGLISH.

_____________________________________________________________________________

WE ARE ALL TOGETHER ON THE SAME PLANET EARTH ... THIS IS CALLED UNITY, in English.

NETT-NETT ... YOU ACCEPT " UNITY IN DIVERSITY ".... YOU LIVE IN PEACE

IF YOU CHALLENGE THE DIVERSITY AND ATTEMPT TO REDUCE IT TO ONE AND ONLY ONE TYPE OF FRUIT, YOU ARE TROUBLING THE LAW OF NATURE, YOU ARE INVITING CONTEMPT AND PUNISHMENT FROM THE LAW OF THE LAND, IN THE LONG RUN

AND

For the trouble you cause, trouble will trouble you when you are in trouble.

So, better to keep the Mind in Check and stay away from REBELLIOUS attitude, in SENSITIVE Areas of LIFE


Thanks ... These forums seem to be places where it has become essential to PAMPER Ego

I do not do that... I respect and accomodate Ego but I do not Pamper Ego

Harini Iyer
 
I changed my gothra after guru deeksha.My gothra is known by the name of our guru NIKHIL gotra after the name of Parmesthi guruSwami NIKHILESWARANANDA.
 
The gotra of a Brahmin Man can change only if he is adopted by a child-less brahmin couple and the parents give their child will-fully to the childless couple

The gotra of a Brahmin Woman changes during her marriage by way of a powerful vedic mantra, exclusively for this purpose, which signifies that

" HITHERTO, THIS GIRL, DESTINED TO BE YOUR WIFE AND THE CARRIER OF YOUR PROGENY WAS BORN IN MY GOTHRAM, THEREBY FAVOURING ME WITH THE BENEFIT OF EXPERIENCING FATHERHOOD AND CHILD-BHAAGYAM.

I NOW RETURN THIS GIRL, BELONGING IN ESSENCE AND IN ALL ORIGINALITY, TO YOUR GOTHRAM, TO YOU AS YOUR WIFE "
 
If one does not know or forgets one's GOtra, Dharma texts recommend the adoption of the GOtra of the great Rishis Jamadagni or Kaasyapa.

SvagOtra pravara ajgjnaanE Jamadagnim UpaasrayEt
NirNayasindu Gotra naase Tu kasyapa
Kasyapa gOtrasya Sarva saadhaaraNatvaat

(Smriti Chandtrika page.398)
 
If one does not know or forgets one's GOtra, Dharma texts recommend the adoption of the GOtra of the great Rishis Jamadagni or Kaasyapa.

SvagOtra pravara ajgjnaanE Jamadagnim UpaasrayEt
NirNayasindu Gotra naase Tu kasyapa
Kasyapa gOtrasya Sarva saadhaaraNatvaat

(Smriti Chandtrika page.398)
 
NAMASKARS. gothram is the traditional link(relating to either three or five of the RISHIS )from whom the male"s hereditary had the origin.to some extent biologically genes theory also lends an helping hand for confirmation.in this particular incident the idea,motivation,affection towards culture etc is to be hailed & appreciated. .NAMASKARS .v.lalithakumar
 
child born of AI .... Details of donors of sperms and eggs are known
But gothram forgotten can be due to dead parents, no relatives etc
however it is clear that child is brahmin but gothram not known.

Somebody did not get the message. The sperm was of a Anglo-sexton person (as disclosed by mother, and appearance of the child). How did the child become Brahmin by birth?

Now that he has the poonal he may claim to be a Brahmin. If you are changing the definition of "brahmin" you better explain your reason.
 
anglo-saxon reflection

Hmmm...ok, so, now it is the poonool

So, what happens is that somewhere, some bunch of people, owing to whatever circumstances, stray from the CHANNEL and the rudiments ABCD of the path, have to be reiterated.

Anyway... LET ME POST A NEW THREAD

" WHO IS A BRAHMIN "

The answer would be obtained there.


Regds
Harini Iyer

Somebody did not get the message. The sperm was of a Anglo-sexton person (as disclosed by mother, and appearance of the child). How did the child become Brahmin by birth?

Now that he has the poonal he may claim to be a Brahmin. If you are changing the definition of "brahmin" you better explain your reason.
 
The gotra of a Brahmin Man can change only if he is adopted by a child-less brahmin couple and the parents give their child will-fully to the childless couple

The gotra of a Brahmin Woman changes during her marriage by way of a powerful vedic mantra, exclusively for this purpose, which signifies that

" HITHERTO, THIS GIRL, DESTINED TO BE YOUR WIFE AND THE CARRIER OF YOUR PROGENY WAS BORN IN MY GOTHRAM, THEREBY FAVOURING ME WITH THE BENEFIT OF EXPERIENCING FATHERHOOD AND CHILD-BHAAGYAM.

I NOW RETURN THIS GIRL, BELONGING IN ESSENCE AND IN ALL ORIGINALITY, TO YOUR GOTHRAM, TO YOU AS YOUR WIFE "

You are exactly correct.

Balasubramanian
 
Hmmm...Nice Googlee by Amirtham...So, the reply has to be given in such a way, that it does not amount to contempt of court.
So, i have sought my father's assistance and here is the reply.

1) The constitution does not accept that sagotra marriages are prohibited

2) But the constitution accepts
(a) Religion as an existent entity
(b) Hinduism as one of the Religions
(c) FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT TO RELIGION

Max Mueller has only reported what he has seen.

Anyway, THE ASHRAM OF SAGE BHARADWAJ IS STILL PRESENT IN PRAYAG, ALLAHABAD.
HIS DESCENDANTS HAVE ALL BRANCHED OUT TO ALL PARTS OF THE GLOBE AND THE COMMON METHOD OF TRACING THE ANCESTRY IS THE GOTHRAM.

NO-BODY HERE IS COMPETENT TO THROW ANYTHING OUT, WHEN THEY DID NOT BRING IT IN, IN THE FIRST PLACE.

RIGHT TO RELIGION is one of the FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS guaranteed by the Indian Constitution.

So, if a person practises hinduism, proclaims his ancestry as so and so Gotram, follows a set of religious practises, he/she is still doing so with his/her own RIGHT TO RELIGION---His/Her Fundamental Right.

So, to throw out the religious belief of someone, is to OFFEND ONE'S RELIGIOUS SENTIMENTS

Under the INDIAN PENAL CODE, offending religious sentiments is a crime, under IPC Section 295 A

your quote amirtham --- Good social behavior and the General ideology of the Hindu society had changed.

our explanation : social behaviour has taken on a new face that accomodates the past and the present and the future

general ideology of hindu society is still the same...the various hindu scriptural practises followed even today, from as simple a fact as the religious festival of Ganesh Chaturthi, is still the same and shall remain the same.

your quote amirtham : The court also said that the mass of material in the Hindu texts is so vast and full of contradictions that it is almost an impossible task to reduce it to order and coherence

our explanation : there is no contradiction in the hindu texts. but if you want to highlight the stars as shining objects and if you want to contradict the word STAR and replace it with SHINING OBJECTS, then if you have the MAJORITY in the PARLIAMENT and if the country keeps quiet, then, YOU MAY MOVE THE BILL FOR CONSIDERATION. such an act is referred to as CONTRADICTION to an earlier time-tested and accepted NORM.

So, contradiction, per se., is stemming from within the human mind that devotes itself to MISCHIEF.

Now, mischief is initself another IPC encompassing crime.

THE OBSERVATION OF THE JUDGES ARE NEVER FINAL AND BINDING.THE RESPONDENT CAN STILL BECOME THE APELLANT BY appealing to the trial court yet again and provide sufficient arguments in his defence and if it makes legal sense, the same may be treated as valid by law and accepted by the honourable judges.

It appears that in this case, the respondent has chosen to remain mum. That is his loss and the complainant's gain
___________________________________________________________________________________

neither is it impossible to reduce it to order and coherence.

even today, the village temple in North India has a special role of maintenance of the details of the gotra and ancestry of each and every individual in that village.

This one evidence is ample evidence to prove coherence.

even today, marriages among the various castes are performed by searching like-minded partners within the same caste.

This one evidence is ample evidence to prove Order.
____________________________________________________________________________

This is From my Grandma :

Whether accepted or not, millions in this country get married, have children, eat, pray and sleep.

The Sun Rises, stays, moves and Sets...Only to Rise again the next day.

Today's judgment might be contested tomorrow, but the eternal laws CONTINUE TO LIVE ON, despite ATTEMPTS TO MEDDLE WITH IT, by humans.

The ones who Argue, invest their energy in arguments and lose focus of the INNER TRUTH. The ones who practise and move on, develop SUFFICIENT POWER to quell such opposition, they win and keep moving on.
________________________________________________________________________________

NETT-NETT .... Castes, Gotrams || Religion, Customs || Tradition, Culture || ... etc etc are the VARIETY OF THINKING PATTERNS.

THIS IS CALLED DIVERSITY, IN ENGLISH.

_____________________________________________________________________________

WE ARE ALL TOGETHER ON THE SAME PLANET EARTH ... THIS IS CALLED UNITY, in English.

NETT-NETT ... YOU ACCEPT " UNITY IN DIVERSITY ".... YOU LIVE IN PEACE

IF YOU CHALLENGE THE DIVERSITY AND ATTEMPT TO REDUCE IT TO ONE AND ONLY ONE TYPE OF FRUIT, YOU ARE TROUBLING THE LAW OF NATURE, YOU ARE INVITING CONTEMPT AND PUNISHMENT FROM THE LAW OF THE LAND, IN THE LONG RUN

AND

For the trouble you cause, trouble will trouble you when you are in trouble.

So, better to keep the Mind in Check and stay away from REBELLIOUS attitude, in SENSITIVE Areas of LIFE


Thanks ... These forums seem to be places where it has become essential to PAMPER Ego

I do not do that... I respect and accomodate Ego but I do not Pamper Ego

Harini Iyer


Harini,

I like this post.
 
Why is this long good byes?
I am sad that some long good bye's are tolerated, and some others are attacked. One should be consistant.
 
Why is this long good byes?
I am sad that some long good bye's are tolerated, and some others are attacked. One should be consistant.

hi
it happened to me many times...even i left twice for a short period....the problem when we involve more personal attacks by name

etc....these happens...im very restrained from many threads....just read and forget it.....i reply very limited...which i can digest...

its public forum ....many meanings for a single word......i generally forgive and forget all these things...we are enough matured

in this material world....life goes on.....
 
hi
it happened to me many times...even i left twice for a short period....the problem when we involve more personal attacks by name

etc....these happens...im very restrained from many threads....just read and forget it.....i reply very limited...which i can digest...

its public forum ....many meanings for a single word......i generally forgive and forget all these things...we are enough matured

in this material world....life goes on.....

Yes sir, good advice.
 
hi
we had enough HURRICANE SANDY problem....why should think abt more problems...ppl forgot KATRINA....now talking abt

SANDY.....nothing in our hands...lol

The astrologers will be unhappy with your practical view. If they can claim that they can change the complexion and appearance of the child, and also its future by suggesting the time of birth, Sandy is mere a child's play. If those people in NY would have done pariharm, sandy would have died in sea. LOL
 
dear prasad !
you are linking the natural calamity with one's personal sufferings .one should not consume ginger for digesting a iron rod swallowed .ginger for digestion of vegetables and to remove the swallowed iron piece , you have to go for an operation .we should not ridicule a system with out properly practicing it . கடபாறையை முழுங்கி விட்டு சுக்கு கஷாயம் குடித்ததுபோல
if you are happy with one type of school of thought ,you can advocate it to others and we need not critise the others
guruvayurappan
 
dear prasad !
you are linking the natural calamity with one's personal sufferings .one should not consume ginger for digesting a iron rod swallowed .ginger for digestion of vegetables and to remove the swallowed iron piece , you have to go for an operation .we should not ridicule a system with out properly practicing it . கடபாறையை முழுங்கி விட்டு சுக்கு கஷாயம் குடித்ததுபோல
if you are happy with one type of school of thought ,you can advocate it to others and we need not critise the others
guruvayurappan


I like this post!!!!


Very well said Shri.Guruvayurappan.


You know what??!!?? I have come across a friend who would consult me to check his/her horoscope and visits temple too to do some simple pariharam/praarthanai BUT would never ever talk in favor of Astrology and Pariharams in front of every one in the public.


There are many such people in this World!!!
 
dear prasad !
you are linking the natural calamity with one's personal sufferings .one should not consume ginger for digesting a iron rod swallowed .ginger for digestion of vegetables and to remove the swallowed iron piece , you have to go for an operation .we should not ridicule a system with out properly practicing it . கடபாறையை முழுங்கி விட்டு சுக்கு கஷாயம் குடித்ததுபோல
if you are happy with one type of school of thought ,you can advocate it to others and we need not critise the others
guruvayurappan
Very nice analogy and advice. Hope it sinks in.
 
dear prasad !
you are linking the natural calamity with one's personal sufferings .one should not consume ginger for digesting a iron rod swallowed .ginger for digestion of vegetables and to remove the swallowed iron piece , you have to go for an operation .we should not ridicule a system with out properly practicing it . கடபாறையை முழுங்கி விட்டு சுக்கு கஷாயம் குடித்ததுபோல
if you are happy with one type of school of thought ,you can advocate it to others and we need not critise the others
guruvayurappan

Sir,
What one does behind close doors is private and others do not comment on it. What you practice and profess in public is open to comment by others.
If Nicolaus Copernicus had just kept quite as another school of thought, we would still be considering earth at the center of universe. Old and useless theories needs to be challenged and discarded. Other wise ignorance will never be wiped out.

I respect your views, so I will not argue with you.
 
Very nice analogy and advice. Hope it sinks in.

<edited> lets not carry things from one topic to another. please do not criss-cross references and argue about it everywhere. Sometimes it is extremely annonying to find the same thing being talked about all over and by the same set of people. Please learn to let go of things. It is not only good for you, it is extremely good for all the other casual readers.

This is not only for amalaji.. it is also for all others.
 
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