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The gothram of a child

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Raji Ram said:
It is not my property!
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I never claimed the ownership, I only said I started it.
Mr. Ravi seems to object to that. LOL.
You do not have to dog me and like any view expressed against me.
 
prasad1 said:
I never claimed the ownership, I only said I started it............
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Dear Prasad Sir,

Members were taunted as if they claimed ownership of threads, very recently! So just thought of kidding!

Please don't take it seriously. I have already posted a nice mangaLam. :high5:
 
Raji Ram said:
Dear Prasad Sir,

Members were taunted as if they claimed ownership of threads, very recently! So just thought of kidding!

Please don't take it seriously. I have already posted a nice mangaLam. :high5:
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I liked that and I added the youtube link.:tea:
 
Dear Sri. Raju, Greetiings.

I refer to your message in post #222.
Brahmin community is a group of people who have chosen to adopt those cultural practices which are conducive to living with sattva guna most of the time in their life. It was a deliberate choice made long long ago in the evolutionary time line and the footprints are discernible in the subsequent generations.
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I quite agree with that. Not all the persons from the Brahmin community may follow the ideals to stay satvic; but the way of life is required there to follow. Needless to say, I have come across scores of persons who followed such qualities too.

Cheers!
 
Sri. Prasad, Greetings.

Temple priest in general a professional like an accountant, or bank officer. In interviews for temple priest there is no test of guna, it is the test of his ability to conduct temple pujas, his interpersonal skill and his salary requirement.
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That was exactly how the priest in the local temple here was chosen. After observing the attitude of that priest, I stopped visiting that temple anymore. ( stopped 20 years ago).

Your reply in post #221 is not in context to what Sri. Raju was mentioning. I know some of the very humble temple priests. for example, in the past, The Varadaraja Perumal Koil in my village was not well looked after; it did not even have a facility to cook (மடப்பள்ளி); one youngster was the priest who would bring prasadam for swamy from his home and conduct a pooja and would leave. He did that for few years with complete dedication. ( He didn't get any monetary returns for that from the village). There are priests who think way beyond monetary benefits. Sri. Raju mentions about such priests. Since I know a few ( earlier I mentioned about one Iyengar who is a priest to a Hanuman temple. Complete devotion. It is a treat to watch him conduct the pooja. Such priests don't consider money as important) I can clearly understand Sri. Raju's views.

Cheers!
 
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Raghy said:
Dear Sri. Raju, Greetings.

In fact, this may be a good subject to discuss, provided there is no debate/argument in the discussion. I will not put it as 'preponderance' though. But there is a commitment from Vaishnava traditionalists. I would not make any comparisons though. Let us only talk about Iyengars without comparing them with any other community.

I came across this realisation in Toronto, Canada. I used to smoke in those days; my choice of JD was well known to everyone in my circle. I was visiting my friend in Brahmpton; it was in the afternoon and he offered beer which I declined. His wife said " he looks like a traditional Iyengar! don't spoil him'... I just laughed and said I didn't prefer beer at anytime. During the conversation my friend asked me " are you a traditionalist or are you an athiest?" .. I was completely taken aback with his question and asked him why he asked such a question... he said " Raghy Sir! I noticed amoung many Iyengars, they would be usually at two extremes! Either they would be traditionalists or they would be atheists! But then, they swing the other way too:.... I was really curious and asked him " is it not common for others too?'.. He said " No! others would be mostly on the middle ground while Iyengars I knew would be quite determined!"....

Sir, I have to leave now..... This discussion is incomplete. ( Request to forum members - kindly don't don't write comments yet. This discussion with Sri. Raju is just started. I have not written my side completely yet though. I hope, you guys would understand).

Cheers!
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Dear Sri. Raju, Greetings.

To my knowledge, Iyengars mostly are not not well to do. Simple living is hammered in the head from the childhood. My wishes and desires were so minimal from the youth years. So, I used to be quite surprised when someone talks about money as the important factor. I noticed one more thing; Iyengars are not glamorous either. When I was seeking a bride for our son, my wife was checking all the Iyengar girls... none of them gave a 'glamorous picture' for consideration. In fact I got quite frustrated and rang one lady to ask her to change her daughter's picture in the matrimony site! even the girl our son chose had a terrible picture in the matrimony site! My point is, Iyengars I knew seem to be simple persons.

We get a wide spectrum of persons amoung Iyengars. Right from orthodox following all the achara anushtanas sincerely to the other extreme of asking how much would achara anushtana cost per Kg! I remember a comment from someone who attended Sundara Kanda parayanam at my residence " Iyengars are unique sir! One would find an Iyengar boy agni hotri ( smoker), occassional jala prayokam ( alcohol drinks) etc. But he would say 'Vishnu Sahasranamam' by rote"... That was the comment directed towards me in specific. He noticed me chanting sahasra namam by rote. ( He asked me to chant Sri. Rudhram too. In about 6 months I was reciting Sri. Rudhram by rote too). Iyengars when they do it, do it with dedication and sicererity.

Iyengars are required to perform five duties (ஐந்து கிரியை). That's why they are called one who undertakes அயிங்க்ரியை or in other words அய்யங்கார். Those five duties are - BKS Iyengar: Biography of his Guruji written by Kofi Busia, Yoga Teacher

Cheers!
 
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prasad1 said:
I liked that and I added the youtube link.
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You have given the song with picture! I just gave the link to save cyber space!! :D

Sets of carnatic songs and the film songs based on the same rAgam are posted, just by giving the link without picture,

in the thread Thullatha manamum thullum……. ​If you are interested, please go throughfrom post # 627 to # 875 (OMG!!!)
when you find time. :music:
 
Dear Raghy Sir, I am an Iyengar and I beg to disagree with you on the prosperity scale of the Iyengars. Be that as it may, w.r.t. the last para, that was an interesting information. Can you or someone let me know how the word 'Iyer' or 'Aiyar' came into existence?

Rgds
apsarathy
 
Dear Raghy Ji

Ref your post # 257

" Iyengars seem to be simpletons " !???!

I take it that you meant 'simple people', plain, down-to-earth, with no air of snobbishness and their
noses not stuck in the air.

The word 'simpleton' means quite something else .

Yay Yem
 

The Chennai IIT students (1988 - 1992 ) used to tease one another with this:

The great, greater and greatest ego is same as I, Iyer and IyengAr! :thumb:
 
Anand Manohar said:
Dear Raghy Ji

Ref your post # 257

" Iyengars seem to be simpletons " !???!

I take it that you meant 'simple people', plain, down-to-earth, with no air of snobbishness and their
noses not stuck in the air.

The word 'simpleton' means quite something else .

Yay Yem
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Sri. Anand Manohar, greetings.

Thanks for your timely message. Yes, i meant simple persons. I edited my message. Your pointing out is much appreciated.

Cheers!
 
Dear Mr.Prasad,

The incident narrated by you is not only funny but has a lot of contradictions. Really, I fail to understand the lady's
actions ( perhaps you too ).

First of all she divorced her husband and secondly she took the sperm of someone of anglo-saxon origin. Thus she
has not followed our tradition and culture. In that case, why she wants her son to have poonal.

Even though the gentleman has fathered the child, he is not her husband. He does not have any gothra . Normally
the wife belongs to the gothra of her husband, but in this case he is not her husband. This is just like solving a
riddle. Why poonal at all in the first place ?

The best bet is Siva gothra, as is followed here.
 
Raghy said:
Dear Sri. Raju, Greetings.

To my knowledge, Iyengars mostly are not not well to do. Simple living is hammered in the head from the childhood. My wishes and desires were so minimal from the youth years. So, I used to be quite surprised when someone talks about money as the important factor. I noticed one more thing; Iyengars are not glamorous either. When I was seeking a bride for our son, my wife was checking all the Iyengar girls... none of them gave a 'glamorous picture' for consideration. In fact I got quite frustrated and rang one lady to ask her to change her daughter's picture in the matrimony site! even the girl our son chose had a terrible picture in the matrimony site! My point is, Iyengars I knew seem to be simple persons.

We get a wide spectrum of persons amoung Iyengars. Right from orthodox following all the achara anushtanas sincerely to the other extreme of asking how much would achara anushtana cost per Kg! I remember a comment from someone who attended Sundara Kanda parayanam at my residence " Iyengars are unique sir! One would find an Iyengar boy agni hotri ( smoker), occassional jala prayokam ( alcohol drinks) etc. But he would say 'Vishnu Sahasranamam' by rote"... That was the comment directed towards me in specific. He noticed me chanting sahasra namam by rote. ( He asked me to chant Sri. Rudhram too. In about 6 months I was reciting Sri. Rudhram by rote too). Iyengars when they do it, do it with dedication and sicererity.

Iyengars are required to perform five duties (ஐந்து கிரியை). That's why they are called one who undertakes அயிங்க்ரியை or in other words அய்யங்கார். Those five duties are - BKS Iyengar: Biography of his Guruji written by Kofi Busia, Yoga Teacher

Cheers!
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Dear mama,

I know that post was addressed to Suraju sir but if I may jump in. Its really news and most surprising to me to hear you say that Iyengars are simple, not as prosperous, not glamourous etc. All this while I thought that award goes to Iyers!

I'm not kidding, comparatively speaking I always felt Iyengars are that much more outgoing and so on. My personal opinion from what/who I have seen vis a vis Iyers/Iyengars is that Iyengars are by far the better looking (purely from the physical appearance POV both men and women) of the two. By far! Especially when you consider their smaller population!
 
amala said:
Dear mama,

I know that post was addressed to Suraju sir but if I may jump in. Its really news and most surprising to me to hear you say that Iyengars are simple, not as prosperous, not glamourous etc. All this while I thought that award goes to Iyers!

I'm not kidding, comparatively speaking I always felt Iyengars are that much more outgoing and so on. My personal opinion from what/who I have seen vis a vis Iyers/Iyengars is that Iyengars are by far the better looking (purely from the physical appearance POV both men and women) of the two. By far! Especially when you consider their smaller population!
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hi amala....
see the link....you may be right....


Iyengaaru Veetu Azhage - YouTube
 
N.R.Ranganathan said:
Dear Mr.Prasad,

The incident narrated by you is not only funny but has a lot of contradictions. Really, I fail to understand the lady's
actions ( perhaps you too ).

First of all she divorced her husband and secondly she took the sperm of someone of anglo-saxon origin. Thus she
has not followed our tradition and culture. In that case, why she wants her son to have poonal.

Even though the gentleman has fathered the child, he is not her husband. He does not have any gothra . Normally
the wife belongs to the gothra of her husband, but in this case he is not her husband. This is just like solving a
riddle. Why poonal at all in the first place ?

The best bet is Siva gothra, as is followed here.
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They chose the grandfather's gothram. But the whole incident was a farce, and everybody was totally confused.
 
amala said:
Dear mama,

I know that post was addressed to Suraju sir but if I may jump in. Its really news and most surprising to me to hear you say that Iyengars are simple, not as prosperous, not glamourous etc. All this while I thought that award goes to Iyers!

I'm not kidding, comparatively speaking I always felt Iyengars are that much more outgoing and so on. My personal opinion from what/who I have seen vis a vis Iyers/Iyengars is that Iyengars are by far the better looking (purely from the physical appearance POV both men and women) of the two. By far! Especially when you consider their smaller population!
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Sowbagyavathy Amala, Greetings.

An important point to note, please - I am not comparing Iyers and Iyangars. I am just writing about Iyangars just as a community without any comparing them with any other community.

Usually tt is drummed in Iyangars psyche not to seek wealth. Sure, an Iyangar may be quite outgoing; that's what I said when I said 'we can find both the extremes amoung Iyangars"... you would have come across the outgoing extreme. I was/am not outgoing. (In fact I was supressed like anything and was bullied like there was no tomorrow. When I thought I got nothing more to loose, I snapped and turned 180 degrees around and deliberately became a porukki). What I said is not just my opinion only... if you read the link, in the first paragraph you find "Although members of the Iyengar community were far from wealthy, the five tasks they had been charged with gave them esteem and made them socially prominent".

Unfortunately, Iyangars not that well understood even in their own community. I have a friend, much younger than me who is a pretty good Iyangar; he used to say all these 'samskaras' to me.

As of today, due to the drumming I got from my childhood, I never thought about money in a serious way at all. ( in our son's wedding, we shared the cost, bought jewels and diamond for the bride, and bought furniture and utensils for their 'thani kudithanam' and gave cash money too). When I was young my sisters were not allowed to dress up attractively at all. My daughter gives beauty tips to my wife! Most Iyangar houses in the villages would usually be ultra simple. Most 'perumal temples' in villages would be very simple. ( The temple in our village is taken over by NBs now. They renovated that temple to look very nice. Thankfully, they retained that same devoted youngster as the priest. Now he conducts the poojas in 'style!').

I just wrote my observations.

Cheers!
 
apsarathy said:
Dear Raghy Sir, I am an Iyengar and I beg to disagree with you on the prosperity scale of the Iyengars. Be that as it may, w.r.t. the last para, that was an interesting information. Can you or someone let me know how the word 'Iyer' or 'Aiyar' came into existence?

Rgds
apsarathy
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Sri. A.P.Sarathy, Greetings.

Sir, I just wrote my personal observation. That's why I wrote in the original message "to my knowledge". But then, interestingly enough, if you look at the link, the first paragraph mentions "...Although members of the Iyengar community were far from wealthy,..". What I wrote does not have stastical proof though. I was stressing the point of commitment and devotion; that's all.

Cheers!
 

So many posts following the 'mangaLam'!! :flock:

Oh!! There is a saying:

'mangaLam pAdumbOdhu sruthi sErndhadhu - (மங்களம் பாடும்போது ஸ்ருதி சேர்ந்தது!)!! :sing:
 
Raji madam,

So the implication is that the sruti and the music did not go tegether well so far.

A music critic commented ' The Sun may rise in the west , but Madurai Mani iyer's voice is ever aligned to
sruti ' Am I correct ? ( But let us not digress ).

My point is that you can't have the best of both the worlds - being a rationalist and at the same time
sticking to rituals in which you dont have any faith.
 

Dear N R R Sir,

This thread seems to pick up momentum after posting the 'magaLam'! :roll:

Hence I commented! Nothing more than that. :)
 
prasad1 said:
They chose the grandfather's gothram. But the whole incident was a farce, and everybody was totally confused.
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Sri. Prasad, Greetings.

Why should you consider the ceremony as farce? When you say Grandfather's Gothram, I take that as mother's father's Gothram. I am not surprised. If I am not wrong, I think I mentioned the possibility in my earlier message. that is a natural choice. I think we should wish the mother and the child all the very best and leave it at that.

Cheers!
 
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