This is one of the best answers with lots of clarity, Lokah samastha Sukhino Bavanthu
-
This forum contains old posts that have been closed. New threads and replies may not be made here. Please navigate to the relevant forum to create a new thread or post a reply.
-
Welcome to Tamil Brahmins forums.
You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our Free Brahmin Community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!
If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact contact us.
The gothram of a child
- Thread starter prasad1
- Start date
- Status
This is one of the best answers with lots of clarity, Lokah samastha Sukhino Bavanthu
To my knowledge Iyer which is also pronounced as Ayyar, Aiyar, Ayer or Aiyer etc are local interpretations.
I do not think there is any specific significance to it. In Kerala, the title Iyer is added at the end of the name
as a matter of routine. In fact, the title is given to all the Brahmin communities in Tamil Nadu and in the
southern states. Besides, all the Iyers strictly obey the code of conduct as laid down by Adhi Shankara in Advaitam.
As regards Iyengars, they also generally observe the same Vedic rituals, lifestyle, traditions, heritage, history
and culture, etc except with little minor changes. They also descend from the same set of Gotras only. There is
a significance difference, pertaining to the observance of philosophy i.e. Vishisht Advaita philosophy, minor
modifications in marriage traditions and in the usage of vocabulary at home as compared to Iyers. They adopt
a different style while wearing nine yards saree. Food habits are more or less same except for some changes
in dishes and the name adopted to them.
Balasubramanian
Ambattur
I do not think there is any specific significance to it. In Kerala, the title Iyer is added at the end of the name
as a matter of routine. In fact, the title is given to all the Brahmin communities in Tamil Nadu and in the
southern states. Besides, all the Iyers strictly obey the code of conduct as laid down by Adhi Shankara in Advaitam.
As regards Iyengars, they also generally observe the same Vedic rituals, lifestyle, traditions, heritage, history
and culture, etc except with little minor changes. They also descend from the same set of Gotras only. There is
a significance difference, pertaining to the observance of philosophy i.e. Vishisht Advaita philosophy, minor
modifications in marriage traditions and in the usage of vocabulary at home as compared to Iyers. They adopt
a different style while wearing nine yards saree. Food habits are more or less same except for some changes
in dishes and the name adopted to them.
Balasubramanian
Ambattur
Last edited:
H
Harini Iyer
Guest
I am a 27 year young lady and taught many a thing of Brahminical Culture by my Father and Maternal Grand-Mother.
Irrespective of the opinions and public comments, issued by SENIORS ( In Bodily Age ), here, in the words of the GREAT KANCHI MAHA PERIYAVAL, H.H. SRI CHANDRASEKHARENDRA SARASWATI SWAMIGAL,
" The Vedas are the Breath of Parameshwara and Nobody including myself, has any right to change any part of the Shastras "
My sitthappa met his wife, a bengali scheduled tribe woman at IIM and they got married at Mumbai. The Brahmins then few years ago, refused to conduct it.
Many Mumbai Iyers are orthodox.
My mother puts it best to seniors " periyava neengale yellaam ok, idhu ok, adhu ok, abdeena, chinnavaa easily with full sanction varee thavari poirvaa. you are only pushing them to disaster "
The best is the story narrated often by my father about the reputed TENALI RAMA driving home a point to the king Krishnadevaraya when the king agreed to the barber's request to make him a brahmin.
TENALI RAMA KNEW THE PATH TRAVERSED BY THE KING AND STARTED RUBBING A BLACK DOG WITH A STONE AND WATER.
THE KING ASKED HIM WHAT HE WAS DOING. HE REPLIED THAT HE WAS ATTEMPTING TO MAKE THE BLACK DOG, WHITE.
THE KING REBUKED HIM SAYING HE WAS ATTEMPTING AN IMPOSSIBLE TASK, SINCE THE DOG WAS BORN BLACK.
So, Tenali Rama REPLIED
" MY LORD, IF A BARBER CAN BE MADE A BRAHMIN, THEN THIS BLACK DOG CAN BE MADE WHITE "
Immediately, krishnadevaraya realized his blunder and warned the barber not to put him into such tight-spots.
WHY ARE PEOPLE FIGHTING THE LAW OF NATURE ?
Where is the time ? Project Dead-Lines at Office, Rituals at Home, Responsibilities, Car-Maintenance, Children, Education,...etc occupy time....
where do these people get the time to SIT AND CHANGE THE HOLY SHASTRAS and push the YOUNGER GENERATION into a DEEP DARK PIT, just because they do not know to handle queries from younger generation. ??? !!!! ???
Irrespective of the opinions and public comments, issued by SENIORS ( In Bodily Age ), here, in the words of the GREAT KANCHI MAHA PERIYAVAL, H.H. SRI CHANDRASEKHARENDRA SARASWATI SWAMIGAL,
" The Vedas are the Breath of Parameshwara and Nobody including myself, has any right to change any part of the Shastras "
My sitthappa met his wife, a bengali scheduled tribe woman at IIM and they got married at Mumbai. The Brahmins then few years ago, refused to conduct it.
Many Mumbai Iyers are orthodox.
My mother puts it best to seniors " periyava neengale yellaam ok, idhu ok, adhu ok, abdeena, chinnavaa easily with full sanction varee thavari poirvaa. you are only pushing them to disaster "
The best is the story narrated often by my father about the reputed TENALI RAMA driving home a point to the king Krishnadevaraya when the king agreed to the barber's request to make him a brahmin.
TENALI RAMA KNEW THE PATH TRAVERSED BY THE KING AND STARTED RUBBING A BLACK DOG WITH A STONE AND WATER.
THE KING ASKED HIM WHAT HE WAS DOING. HE REPLIED THAT HE WAS ATTEMPTING TO MAKE THE BLACK DOG, WHITE.
THE KING REBUKED HIM SAYING HE WAS ATTEMPTING AN IMPOSSIBLE TASK, SINCE THE DOG WAS BORN BLACK.
So, Tenali Rama REPLIED
" MY LORD, IF A BARBER CAN BE MADE A BRAHMIN, THEN THIS BLACK DOG CAN BE MADE WHITE "
Immediately, krishnadevaraya realized his blunder and warned the barber not to put him into such tight-spots.
WHY ARE PEOPLE FIGHTING THE LAW OF NATURE ?
Where is the time ? Project Dead-Lines at Office, Rituals at Home, Responsibilities, Car-Maintenance, Children, Education,...etc occupy time....
where do these people get the time to SIT AND CHANGE THE HOLY SHASTRAS and push the YOUNGER GENERATION into a DEEP DARK PIT, just because they do not know to handle queries from younger generation. ??? !!!! ???
renuka
Well-known member
Dear Harini,
I am very impressed with your post..I would like you to share your thoughts more with us cos most of us are not so young anymore.
I am 42 years old but I like to hear youngsters speak their mind and heart out cos only then we can know what society needs and try to help them out.
I know lots of problems are swept under the carpet under in our Indian society and problems are not solved either.
I agree that queries should be answered..thats why I liked your reply in the Vibuthi thread.
You gave a real good reply about Vibuthi in the sense you explained why we need to apply dry and wet and the significance about the places we apply vibuthi.
These are the types of answers we need not just answers that say "do this and do that and don't ask why"
Keep up your post young lady.
Regards
BTW just 2 questions
1)I just did not get one point...you mentioned that your uncle's marriage was not conducted by the orthodox Brahmins..so did you feel they were right or wrong as not to conduct the marriage?
2)What is your opinion about the story in this thread?
Last edited:
H
Harini Iyer
Guest
Gothram is like a woman's beauty. She either has it or she does not
shocking to see lack of knowledge in seniors.
NAGA GOTHRA, SIVA GOTHRA, VISHNU GOTHRA are used for NON-BRAHMINS among the upper castes who have forgotten their line ancestor rishi but know for sure that they are not Shudra or Chandala caste.
*** FOR BRAHMINS WHO HAVE FORGOTTEN THE GOTHRAM and no one from their family is around alive to help them recollect it, THEY ARE ACCOMODATED UNDER THE KASHYAPA GOTHRAM...THAT IS THE ONLY GOTHRAM IN WHICH THEY CAN BE ACCOMODATED ***
But this much of lack of knowledge among seniors reminds me of a Chandamama tale i read long ago.
The daughter of a king, is possessed by a Ghost and no one succeeds in exorcising.
That ghost and it's friend meet over a DRY WELL ( in tamil they say do not spend time near wells and dry wells since they might be haunted )....
That ghost says
" WHAT HAPPENED TO THESE MEN ? TODAY, NO ONE SEEMS TO KNOW THE ART OF EXORCISING. IF A BLACK HEN IS SACRIFICED AT THE FEET OF THE PRINCESS, I WILL HAVE TO RUN AWAY "
*** Similarly, today, many seniors seem to expose their own youth as having been one of NOT HAVING LEARNT anything ***
But if i say, they will pounce upon me.
Anyway, KASHYAPA gothra alone is empowered to accomodate BRAHMINS who have forgotten their gothram and no one from their family is around alive to help them recollect it
shocking to see lack of knowledge in seniors.
NAGA GOTHRA, SIVA GOTHRA, VISHNU GOTHRA are used for NON-BRAHMINS among the upper castes who have forgotten their line ancestor rishi but know for sure that they are not Shudra or Chandala caste.
*** FOR BRAHMINS WHO HAVE FORGOTTEN THE GOTHRAM and no one from their family is around alive to help them recollect it, THEY ARE ACCOMODATED UNDER THE KASHYAPA GOTHRAM...THAT IS THE ONLY GOTHRAM IN WHICH THEY CAN BE ACCOMODATED ***
But this much of lack of knowledge among seniors reminds me of a Chandamama tale i read long ago.
The daughter of a king, is possessed by a Ghost and no one succeeds in exorcising.
That ghost and it's friend meet over a DRY WELL ( in tamil they say do not spend time near wells and dry wells since they might be haunted )....
That ghost says
" WHAT HAPPENED TO THESE MEN ? TODAY, NO ONE SEEMS TO KNOW THE ART OF EXORCISING. IF A BLACK HEN IS SACRIFICED AT THE FEET OF THE PRINCESS, I WILL HAVE TO RUN AWAY "
*** Similarly, today, many seniors seem to expose their own youth as having been one of NOT HAVING LEARNT anything ***
But if i say, they will pounce upon me.
Anyway, KASHYAPA gothra alone is empowered to accomodate BRAHMINS who have forgotten their gothram and no one from their family is around alive to help them recollect it
H
Harini Iyer
Guest
No. they came and left immediately. they were from the mutt and orthodox priests.
They are right in following the customs. It is only because our ancestors maintained customs amidst all odds, we are today breathing easily and discussing on these forums.
If our ancestors had thrown discipline to the winds saying this is ok, that is ok etc to suit convenience, then today, we would have all been in worse situations.
In fact, I know one CHRISTIAN PROTESTANT who was not permitted to marry a ROMAN CATHOLIC...they said in Tamil
" work out aagaadhunga ... vittudunga ... seripattu varaadhu...yenga life-style vaera unga life-style vaera...summa future problems vaanda...oru chinna vaarkai, irukkara prachchunayae porum...summa happiness spoil panneekka vaandaam "
ONLY BRAHMINS AND WELL-TO-DO NON-BRAHMINS, THROW EVERY DISCIPLINE TO THE WINDS.
As my father says, LUCKILY THEY HAVE NOT MANAGED TO SPEAK TO AND MEET LORD SHIVA. or else, they would have made him wear TORN JEANS SAYING IT IS THE LATEST FASHION AND FORCED HIM TO A DISCOTHEQUE.
MY paati says best " inga avaa avaa, yendha yendha gadheekku aal aaganumo, aaguva ... un vaelaya paathundu kadamayai senjindu vaarkaya rasichchindu vaar munnaalla paathundu poyindae irudi..idhellaam paathu nimmadhiya kola pannaadha "
2) About this story in this thread, honestly i do not know how far it is true. sometimes stories are concocted to slowly gain public acceptance in the name of MODERN DAY and make that a TREND for the future generation.
But, if it is true, my opinion is " LEAVE Sugar to Sugar and Salt to Salt...you cannot put salt saying it is white and expect the coffee to be sweet....you cannot put sugar to korambu saying it is white and expect korambu to have the taste of salt
similarly, DO NOT ALTER THE LAW OF NATURE "
They are right in following the customs. It is only because our ancestors maintained customs amidst all odds, we are today breathing easily and discussing on these forums.
If our ancestors had thrown discipline to the winds saying this is ok, that is ok etc to suit convenience, then today, we would have all been in worse situations.
In fact, I know one CHRISTIAN PROTESTANT who was not permitted to marry a ROMAN CATHOLIC...they said in Tamil
" work out aagaadhunga ... vittudunga ... seripattu varaadhu...yenga life-style vaera unga life-style vaera...summa future problems vaanda...oru chinna vaarkai, irukkara prachchunayae porum...summa happiness spoil panneekka vaandaam "
ONLY BRAHMINS AND WELL-TO-DO NON-BRAHMINS, THROW EVERY DISCIPLINE TO THE WINDS.
As my father says, LUCKILY THEY HAVE NOT MANAGED TO SPEAK TO AND MEET LORD SHIVA. or else, they would have made him wear TORN JEANS SAYING IT IS THE LATEST FASHION AND FORCED HIM TO A DISCOTHEQUE.
MY paati says best " inga avaa avaa, yendha yendha gadheekku aal aaganumo, aaguva ... un vaelaya paathundu kadamayai senjindu vaarkaya rasichchindu vaar munnaalla paathundu poyindae irudi..idhellaam paathu nimmadhiya kola pannaadha "
2) About this story in this thread, honestly i do not know how far it is true. sometimes stories are concocted to slowly gain public acceptance in the name of MODERN DAY and make that a TREND for the future generation.
But, if it is true, my opinion is " LEAVE Sugar to Sugar and Salt to Salt...you cannot put salt saying it is white and expect the coffee to be sweet....you cannot put sugar to korambu saying it is white and expect korambu to have the taste of salt
similarly, DO NOT ALTER THE LAW OF NATURE "
renuka
Well-known member
Dear Harini,
Can I have some clarification on this?
Ok before that I am a NB and I thought that the so called Upper Caste NBs in South of India are not really true Kshatriyas or Vaisyas to start with.
I thought I read in forum before that many tribes and clans have been elevated to the status of Kshatriya/Vaisyas.
So on technical grounds that would make every Non Brahmin a Sudra origin only.
Even one Iyengar priest I know here also told me this.
So hence South Indian NBs are just broadly classified as Shiva/Vishnu Gotra only.
Last edited:
renuka
Well-known member
Dear Harini,
Now I get a clearer picture about your stance.
You are an out spoken person with conservative views.
I appreciate your reply and respect your views.
Last edited:
H
Harini Iyer
Guest
Yes, you are right. Unfortunate but true, technically that way, many NBs today are of Sudra MIX.
I wont say sudra origin since that would be uncertain still.
This is the result of reckless lust the impact of which is felt many generations later.
This is where the disciplined ones succeed.
But to the best of my knowledge, even today, there are some NBs who are strict about NO-INDISCIPLINE
*** SO, THE BEST WAY FOR YOU WOULD BE TO TAKE A SHEET OF PAPER, JOT DOWN YOUR FATHER'S NAME, HIS NATIVE PLACE AND SIMILARLY YOUR MOM'S NAME, HER NATIVE PLACE, THE CASTE DETAILS OF BOTH ALONG WITH THEIR PARENTS AND ENQUIRE FROM YOUR RELATIVES THEIR CASTE AND NATIVE PLACE...
YOU CAN THEN FIND OUT FROM GOOGLE THE DETAILS OF THAT NATIVE PLACE, PRE-DOMINANT PROFESSIONS IN THOSE PLACES AND THEN COME TO A FAIR CONCLUSION ON THE PERCENTAGE OF INGENUITY.
But, that is only for your satisfaction.
For the routine life, you would do better to avoid stress and strain and hence just adhere to siva gothram, vishnu gothram,...etc
I wont say sudra origin since that would be uncertain still.
This is the result of reckless lust the impact of which is felt many generations later.
This is where the disciplined ones succeed.
But to the best of my knowledge, even today, there are some NBs who are strict about NO-INDISCIPLINE
*** SO, THE BEST WAY FOR YOU WOULD BE TO TAKE A SHEET OF PAPER, JOT DOWN YOUR FATHER'S NAME, HIS NATIVE PLACE AND SIMILARLY YOUR MOM'S NAME, HER NATIVE PLACE, THE CASTE DETAILS OF BOTH ALONG WITH THEIR PARENTS AND ENQUIRE FROM YOUR RELATIVES THEIR CASTE AND NATIVE PLACE...
YOU CAN THEN FIND OUT FROM GOOGLE THE DETAILS OF THAT NATIVE PLACE, PRE-DOMINANT PROFESSIONS IN THOSE PLACES AND THEN COME TO A FAIR CONCLUSION ON THE PERCENTAGE OF INGENUITY.
But, that is only for your satisfaction.
For the routine life, you would do better to avoid stress and strain and hence just adhere to siva gothram, vishnu gothram,...etc
renuka
Well-known member
Dear Harini,
I do not really consider caste as important for me.That was just a general question for people who still attach importance to caste.
There is nothing really unfortunate for anyone to be any mix from any varna.
I am very well aware of my origin and heritage that has mainly 87.5% Hindu origin and 12.5 % of Muslim origin too.
I am a Hindu by birth cos both my parents are Hindus
My Muslim Great Grand mother became a Hindu after marrying my Brahmin Maternal Great Grandfather.
They had a Hindu Brahmin wedding way back in Lahore when it was still India.She was given the Bharadwaj Gotra of my maternal great grand father and their children married Brahmins only.
So people were not so orthodox back then.These were my greatgrand parents.
So that is why I surprised that people are orthodox these days.
So don't worry dear I am not planning to Google Search(I do not need to..I know where each ancestor is from ranging from TN to Lahore)
Most important is to be a Human so that should suffice.
I do not consider myself belonging to any Gotra too cos I just view God as God and rather not call him by so many names.
Keep up your posts dear.
Thank you very much for your reply.
Last edited:
H
Harini Iyer
Guest
Orthodoxy in hinduism was always and is still a closely guarded WAY OF LIFE.
Personal Life of a brahmin in almost 90 % brahmin families follow some or the other STRICT SCHEDULE.
Private Life of a brahmin is a mixture of various activities.
In fact, we are a unique race.
*** WE BRAHMINS HAVE ALL SORTS WITHIN OUR GROUP. FROM THE ATHEIST TO THE ORTHODOX TO THE HILT, WE HAVE THEM ALL ***
But the best part is YOU TURN A BRAHMIN UPSIDE DOWN AND HIT HIM/ HER CONTINUOUSLY FOR MANY HOURS, ATLEAST ONCE HE/SHE WILL SAY " RAMA SIVA SIVA PILLAYAARE AMBIKA KAAPATHUNGO...indha chandalan / chandali kittaendhu "
ORTHODOXY OF HINDUS, ESPECIALLY BRAHMINS, IS AN END-LESS UNIVERSE....IF PEOPLE START ENQUIRING INTO IT, UNLESS HE / SHE IS A BRAHMIN, IT WILL LEAVE THE ENQUIRING PERSON, TOTALLY CONFUSED AND DIS-ORIENTED
So, the nuances are NEVER discussed in Public.
Personal Life of a brahmin in almost 90 % brahmin families follow some or the other STRICT SCHEDULE.
Private Life of a brahmin is a mixture of various activities.
In fact, we are a unique race.
*** WE BRAHMINS HAVE ALL SORTS WITHIN OUR GROUP. FROM THE ATHEIST TO THE ORTHODOX TO THE HILT, WE HAVE THEM ALL ***
But the best part is YOU TURN A BRAHMIN UPSIDE DOWN AND HIT HIM/ HER CONTINUOUSLY FOR MANY HOURS, ATLEAST ONCE HE/SHE WILL SAY " RAMA SIVA SIVA PILLAYAARE AMBIKA KAAPATHUNGO...indha chandalan / chandali kittaendhu "
ORTHODOXY OF HINDUS, ESPECIALLY BRAHMINS, IS AN END-LESS UNIVERSE....IF PEOPLE START ENQUIRING INTO IT, UNLESS HE / SHE IS A BRAHMIN, IT WILL LEAVE THE ENQUIRING PERSON, TOTALLY CONFUSED AND DIS-ORIENTED
So, the nuances are NEVER discussed in Public.
Harini, You have put it very nicely. I could understand your feelings and
expression through this thread. God will bless you.
Balasubramanian
Ambattur
tbs
0
hi raghy sir,
even i heard that....if there is no gothra....they are under KASHYAPA GOTHRA....i think kashypa rishi very common for unknown
gothra ppl.....
H
Harini Iyer
Guest
Individual Likes do not matter
There is a provision in our shastras to that affect.
Without sounding rude albeit being honest I must say one thing though
Portals such as these make it unclear if the reader / responder is a
brahmin or not
So that throws up a major challenge in the fact that for every topic
you are required to start elucidating from ABCD the very basics.
The most important thing here is that what an individual thinks or not is of no consequence to the vedas
Also answers are not to be demanded and commanded
so the tone of speech needs to be that of an earnest student
Nett-Nett, this is just knowledge sharing
who cares whether x thinks this or y thinks that
out of the blue with rudimentary knowledge one should not venture
to say he/she thinks this or that
Even lord shiva had to approach Lord Murugan with the HUMILITY of a student.
Harini Iyer
There is a provision in our shastras to that affect.
Without sounding rude albeit being honest I must say one thing though
Portals such as these make it unclear if the reader / responder is a
brahmin or not
So that throws up a major challenge in the fact that for every topic
you are required to start elucidating from ABCD the very basics.
The most important thing here is that what an individual thinks or not is of no consequence to the vedas
Also answers are not to be demanded and commanded
so the tone of speech needs to be that of an earnest student
Nett-Nett, this is just knowledge sharing
who cares whether x thinks this or y thinks that
out of the blue with rudimentary knowledge one should not venture
to say he/she thinks this or that
Even lord shiva had to approach Lord Murugan with the HUMILITY of a student.
Harini Iyer
Sri.tbs Sir, Greetings.
Thanks for the information. If that is the case, why didn't they provided Kashyapa Gothram to that child born of AI? I am really curious..... Anyway, not everyone have Gothram anyway. Most non-brahmins don't have Gothram anyway. That doesn't make them any lesser human beings. Does it?
Cheers!
H
Harini Iyer
Guest
I wont get into a loop so let me sum it up.
child born of AI .... Details of donors of sperms and eggs are known
But gothram forgotten can be due to dead parents, no relatives etc
however it is clear that child is brahmin but gothram not known.
About lesser human beings the answer is best given this way
You are given two cars... one with torn seat, replaced steering wheel, worn-out tyres etc
The second car is a mercedes-s-class with bullet proof
are both cars.... yes
is the first or the second car well-suited for passing through a battle-field
obviously it is the second car the mercedes
similarly the one with gothram is demonstrating the Truth of a set disciplined order in the Universe including morality, abhorring reckless lust.
hence better equipped with the kavacham of gothra rishi's grace like the bullet proof mercedes, to cross this ocean of samsara
Regds
Harini
child born of AI .... Details of donors of sperms and eggs are known
But gothram forgotten can be due to dead parents, no relatives etc
however it is clear that child is brahmin but gothram not known.
About lesser human beings the answer is best given this way
You are given two cars... one with torn seat, replaced steering wheel, worn-out tyres etc
The second car is a mercedes-s-class with bullet proof
are both cars.... yes
is the first or the second car well-suited for passing through a battle-field
obviously it is the second car the mercedes
similarly the one with gothram is demonstrating the Truth of a set disciplined order in the Universe including morality, abhorring reckless lust.
hence better equipped with the kavacham of gothra rishi's grace like the bullet proof mercedes, to cross this ocean of samsara
Regds
Harini
S
SANDHYAV
Guest
Harini seems to feel very strongly about gothram, thats all. just to clarify a small point is there a bad gothram like the worn out car, or r u saying someone without a gothram is a bad car. INTRIGUING MIND !
H
Harini Iyer
Guest
No, I am a typical Iyer Young Lady brought up on lines of best of east and best of west.
I was trained to complete reciting atleast one lakh times, the Lalita Sahasranamam to have a clear mind.
I have been a student of science and technology. I have researched a lot, analyzed a lot and choose my words with a conservative approach, issuing only the apt words and lines.
As far as Gothram is concerned, I stand by what I say.
There is no bad gothram, but it is said that of all gothrams, the Athreya Gotram is considered to be the Most Sacred.
Today, neither do many practise, nor do they read. They BEGIN with the MAP of their DESIRES, travel on some path filled with thorns and then reach a destination that they never wanted to be in. But the fault is theirs. The MAP they had was faulty. So, their Negative Ego, makes them revolt and they start fighting Nature and it's laws.
There is NO BAD GOTHRAM.
But the Gothram shows a disciplined UNBROKEN line of travel of multiple generations.
GOTHRAM DEPICTS CERTAINTY IN THE UNCERTAIN WORLD.
It proclaims " The line that I have traversed is filled with these many greats and irrespective of my stature, I have been born into one such line and even if my steps have been faltering, I have walked on that Path that is lined with mile-stones signifying notable stages in EXPRESSING the hand of GOD, the Supreme in everything "
Without Gothram, is similar to the HIGHWAY with damaged Roads, thorns, uncertainty, lack of vision, lack of mission,...etc etc so on and so forth, which basically show a RECKLESS LIFE.
You never can speak of the antecedents of a person, nor can draw a CONNECTIVITY DIAGRAM of his LINEAGE beyond a point and THE LINE GETS BLURRED between the CORE VALUES of his LINEAGE and the PORTRAYAL of his LINEAGE.
Anyway, this might get controversial since beyond a point, it is my personal opinion and I shall not thrust it upon others.
At the end of the day, we are all children of the ONE GOD and we have to be ACCOMODATIVE of the WHOLE OF CREATION.
We might personally assign each to different compartments within our Mind, but accomodate, we have to. There is no escape from that and LIKE-DISLIKE has no place in UNIVERSAL TOLERANCE.
I was trained to complete reciting atleast one lakh times, the Lalita Sahasranamam to have a clear mind.
I have been a student of science and technology. I have researched a lot, analyzed a lot and choose my words with a conservative approach, issuing only the apt words and lines.
As far as Gothram is concerned, I stand by what I say.
There is no bad gothram, but it is said that of all gothrams, the Athreya Gotram is considered to be the Most Sacred.
Today, neither do many practise, nor do they read. They BEGIN with the MAP of their DESIRES, travel on some path filled with thorns and then reach a destination that they never wanted to be in. But the fault is theirs. The MAP they had was faulty. So, their Negative Ego, makes them revolt and they start fighting Nature and it's laws.
There is NO BAD GOTHRAM.
But the Gothram shows a disciplined UNBROKEN line of travel of multiple generations.
GOTHRAM DEPICTS CERTAINTY IN THE UNCERTAIN WORLD.
It proclaims " The line that I have traversed is filled with these many greats and irrespective of my stature, I have been born into one such line and even if my steps have been faltering, I have walked on that Path that is lined with mile-stones signifying notable stages in EXPRESSING the hand of GOD, the Supreme in everything "
Without Gothram, is similar to the HIGHWAY with damaged Roads, thorns, uncertainty, lack of vision, lack of mission,...etc etc so on and so forth, which basically show a RECKLESS LIFE.
You never can speak of the antecedents of a person, nor can draw a CONNECTIVITY DIAGRAM of his LINEAGE beyond a point and THE LINE GETS BLURRED between the CORE VALUES of his LINEAGE and the PORTRAYAL of his LINEAGE.
Anyway, this might get controversial since beyond a point, it is my personal opinion and I shall not thrust it upon others.
At the end of the day, we are all children of the ONE GOD and we have to be ACCOMODATIVE of the WHOLE OF CREATION.
We might personally assign each to different compartments within our Mind, but accomodate, we have to. There is no escape from that and LIKE-DISLIKE has no place in UNIVERSAL TOLERANCE.
tbs
0
hi harini,
its a wonderful explanation....i can understand ur standpoint....if we have some gals like u.....our community will flourish....no
doubt abt it...becoz ladies are the beacons of the family...many gujarati traditions still survive, becoz woman leads the family
traditions and cultures....
tbs
0
hi RR madam,Dear TBS Sir,
Agreed! But what about Tambram girls and women?
our Tambram gals easily adoptable other cultures than following our own traditions....some times they are proud of other
cultures/ traditions and criticize our own traditions/cultures...
S
SANDHYAV
Guest
did u mean gujarati Brahmins?
- Status
Share this page
Share this page
Latest ads
-
Wanted Fulltime care person neededLooking for a fulltime lady who can look after 80 yr old person who has dementia. She can manage...
- vashok (+0 /0 /-0)
- Updated:
- Expires
-
Free [Bride Wanted] Bride WantedLooking for Bride - Family Oriented and brought up from Cultured Family
- SRIKANT S -(Bride Wanted) (+0 /0 /-0)
- Updated:
- Expires
-
-
Free [Bride Wanted] TAMIL BRAHMIN VADAMA BRIDE WANTEDMust to be willing to relocate to Bengaluru Must be willing to accommodate joint family
- self today (+0 /0 /-0)
- Updated:
- Expires
-
Wanted [Cook Wanted] Wanted cook for Home at Gandhipuram Coimbatore. Decent Salary offeredHi, we need a female Brahmin cook for home ( 5 members family) at Coimbatore. Morning and...
- gchitra (+0 /0 /-0)
- Updated: