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[Raji Ram]

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It is very easy for the members to report any offensive post to the moderator! :typing:

And, a senior members gives an excellent advice:

...... Those who are sensitive to comments should tell cock and bull stories to their young grandchildren and stop with it.

 

[Raji Ram]

Let peace prevail and members get their well deserved sleep!

 

[Vaagmi]

Did anyone tell, ''Valmiki said that Rama worshiped Shiva at Rameswaram''?

Why Vaagmi Sir is so much worried about this? :noidea:

That is side tracking. The question is not just that simple. The question is this: Do we have authentic reference in the primary source the Valmiki Ramayana for the episode that is authoritatively presented again and again.

My contention is that there is no such reference and so no such incident happened. If someone has a proof that it indeed happened as per the primary source, I would like to learn from them.

Someone may come and claim here tomorrow that Rama on his way to Srilanka met Jesus christ after waiting at his door for a few days for his darshan and requested for help in the matter of tracing Sita and Jesus helped him.

I will ask for the reference in Valmiki Ramayana. If he says it is described in Genesis in the Old Testament I will tell him that Valmiki did not refer to this and so it is not true.

Hope it is again clear.

 

[Raji Ram]

That is side tracking. The question is not just that simple. The question is this: Do we have authentic reference in the primary source the Valmiki Ramayana for the episode that is authoritatively presented again and again. ..........

Dear Sir,

Many temples have many tales related to them and the temple at Rameswaram is one of them. Do you know why Lord Shiva

has the name Ramanathan? Did some other Raman pray Shiva and people mistook him for Lord Rama? If so, do we have any

reference to the other Raman?

FYI, it is a new tale that Panchavati near Puducherry is the place where Rama stayed with Sita and Lakshmana during vanavAsam!

Some sources say that the original name of that place was 'PAppAn chAvadi' which was a brahmin agrahAram.

 

[Raji Ram]

It is said that Sri Ananathapadmanabha Swami at Trivandrum does to poojA to the Shiva Lingam and there is a lingam
in the sactum sanctorum. There may be other interpretation by other groups, as per their imagination. :decision:

 

[Visalakshi Ramani]

The lamb and the wolf.


One day, as usual the lamb wandered far off into the forest. There he saw a spring. “I am thirsty. Let me drink some water,” he thought.

He decided to take water from the spring for his thirst. While the lamb was drinking water in the spring, a wolf watched him from behind a tree.

“A lamb! My lucky day!” the wolf thought, approaching the lamb. The lamb was not aware of the wolf for some time. There was no one besides these two animals to save the lamb from the wolf.

“You know this forest belongs only to wild animals like me. Why have you come in here to take water from this spring?” asked the wolf.

The lamb knew that wolves were dangerous animals. “Mother has warned me about wolves. I am sure this fellow wants to eat me for his lunch. This fellow is ferocious. I must escape from this animal,” he thought.

The wolf continued, “You are also dirtying water. How will I drink this polluted water now?”

“But the spring flows from where you are standing down to where I am standing, Sir!” said the lamb, in a meek voice. The wolf was surprised to hear such an intelligent reply from the lamb.

But the wolf was just looking for an excuse to kill the lamb. “How dare you argue with me? I think you are the same lamb who had abused me last year,” the wolf shouted.

“Last year? Bur Sir, I was not even born then!” the lamb squeaked. The lamb feared that the wolf was looking after a pretext to kill the lamb.

The lamb became cautious of its words and gestures. This way both the lamb and the wolf talked to each other cautiously.

The lamb heard some woodcutters. They were coming the way in which the lamb and the wolf were standing. “”If I can keep talking to this wolf for a little while longer, the woodcutters will be here. They will chase him away,” thought the clever lamb.

So, he said, “Mr. Wolf, you are right. I have dirtied the water. But, I did not mean to upset you.”

This way the lamb kept on talking for few more minutes. As the lamb spoke, the woodcutters arrived there. They saw both the lamb and the wolf.

They caught the wolf and beat him before letting him go. The lamb was relieved to be safe. He ran back to his mother. He told her his mother what had happened in the forest with the wolf and the woodcutter. And then he promised his mother never to wander into the forest again.

 

[Vaagmi]

Dear Sir,

Many temples have many tales related to them and the temple at Rameswaram is one of them. Do you know why Lord Shiva

has the name Ramanathan? Did some other Raman pray Shiva and people mistook him for Lord Rama? If so, do we have any

reference to the other Raman?

FYI, it is a new tale that Panchavati near Puducherry is the place where Rama stayed with Sita and Lakshmana during vanavAsam!

Some sources say that the original name of that place was 'PAppAn chAvadi' which was a brahmin agrahAram.

RRji,

Temples have tales. But they do not become part of epic or history. and the name Ramanathan could be because of the deity being the Nathan of a local king belonging to the Sethupathi Dynasty. There is no objection to any deity being the nathan of any one. The objection is to the spun tale that Rama worshiped Siva at Rameswaram. where is the evidence fo this?

I have nothing to say about Panchavati or Paappaan chavadi and I do not know about them.

 

[Vaagmi]

It is said that Sri Ananathapadmanabha Swami at Trivandrum does to poojA to the Shiva Lingam and there is a lingam
in the sactum sanctorum. There may be other interpretation by other groups, as per their imagination. :decision:

That is not pooja. That is protection offered to the lingam by A.Padmanabha swamy. And no one performs a pooja by lying down and sleeping on a bed comfortably. Pooja is usually done in seriousness with bhakti and not when you are in a nidra. LOL.

 

[CHANDRU1849]

First, what is the proof that Valmiki Ramayana is the first one?

I have gone thru Jain Ramayana thru ejainism.com. Since it is very extensive, I reproduce below a very very little bit of it:

QUOTE

As King Dasharatha grew young he tied nuptial knots with three young princesses having impeccable family backgrounds. Aparajita alias Kaushalya was his first consort. She was the daughter of King Sukoshala, the ruler of Darbhasthala nagara and Queen Amritaprabha. The second was Sumitra, offspring of King Subandhutilaka of Kamalasamkula and Queen Mitradevi. Suprabha, the daughter of the king of Rathanupura was his third consort.

Narada ji, an ardent follower of Jainism, loved all his co-religionists more than himself.

UNQUOTE

If Jainism is the oldest, the Ramayana could have been rewritten in a such a way to suit the ideology of later religions or sects.

 

[Raji Ram]

Dear Sir,

True! We can only say

and the name Ramanathan could be because of the deity being the Nathan of a local king belonging to the Sethupathi Dynasty

So, let the Shiva bhakathAs be happy by the tale about Rameswaram. ray2:

 

[Raji Ram]

Panchavatee is a Panchamukha Hanuman Temple located 9 km from Pondicherry, India.

The main deity is 36 feet high making it one of the tallest Hanuman idols.

The temple is run by Pamchamukha Sri Jayamurthi Seva Trust, consisting of staunch devotees like Parama Sri Ramani Anna.

More at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panchavatee

Source: vijayayatra.sringeri.net

 

[Raji Ram]

That is not pooja. That is protection offered to the lingam by A.Padmanabha swamy. And no one performs a pooja by lying down and sleeping on a bed comfortably. Pooja is usually done in seriousness with bhakti and not when you are in a nidra. LOL.

​Your view, Sir!

Devotees of Lord Shiva might say that even while sleeping His hands are offering vilva leaves to the Lingam!

 

[CHANDRU1849]

​Your view, Sir!

Devotees of Lord Shiva might say that even while sleeping His hands are offering vilva leaves to the Lingam!

Vishnu is said to be the protector. Who will protect while He is sleeping? Does He experience fatigue, tiredness etc.?

 

[Vaagmi]

​Your view, Sir!

Devotees of Lord Shiva might say that even while sleeping His hands are offering vilva leaves to the Lingam!

1) I must try doing a pooja next time when I go to sleep, that too with my face turning away a full 90 degree from the object of my pooja. LOL.

2) And if my favourite beauty comes in my dream I should throw a bilva leaf at her and the onlookers of my dreaming, sleeping figure will have to deduct that I am offering the bilwa leaf to the object of my pooja. If they imagine anything more sensible/logical I will tell them that they are all wrong. LOL.

 

[renuka]

What is the big deal who worshiped whom?

Whether Rama worshiped Shiva or Shiva worshiped Rama?

That is why sometimes an overdose of Bhakti can cause differences of opinion..some might not like the idea of Rama worshiping Shiva and some might not like the idea of Shiva worshiping Rama.

So ditch Bhakti guys!!!.... for Vibhakti(grammar) solves all problems!LOL

Now pay close attention.

Parvati asked Shiva the meaning of Rameshwar ,Shiva replied-yasya ishwara ramah sah rameshwara uchyate-

which means One whose Lord is Rama is Rameshwara.


But Rama said: ramasya ishwaro yah sa rameshwara-which means One who is the Lord of Rama is Rameshwara.

 

[CHANDRU1849]

It is high level of stupidity to say Shiva worshipping Rama, as Rama was a human being, and his background was not clearly known - Shaivite or Vaishnavite.

Rama's saying 'ramasya ishwaro yah sa rameshwara' shows his impertinent nature by equating himself with God.

 

[Raji Ram]

1) I must try doing a pooja next time when I go to sleep, that too with my face turning away a full 90 degree from the object of my pooja. LOL.

2) And if my favourite beauty comes in my dream I should throw a bilva leaf at her and the onlookers of my dreaming, sleeping figure will have to deduct that I am offering the bilwa leaf to the object of my pooja. If they imagine anything more sensible/logical I will tell them that they are all wrong. LOL.

Good imagination! No birdie sought for instruction !

You may please try it sir but please DO remember that we are humans and Lord Padmanabha is the Almighty! :thumb:

 

[Raji Ram]

Dear Renu,
So, Lord Rama and Lord Shiva have settled the issue of :boink: !! eace:

 

[Raji Ram]

I..... Rama's saying 'ramasya ishwaro yah sa rameshwara' shows his impertinent nature by equating himself with God.

:tsk: Not the correct understanding! This does NOT equate Rama to God.
Please read the meaning in Renu's post again! :ranger:

 

[Raji Ram]

Let us have more discussions about Rama and Shiva in a brand new thread! :blah:

 

[Visalakshi Ramani]

Here is a new poem for all of you! :sing:
I dedicate it to Dr. Renu and Smt. Raji Ram! ray2:

FUN SINCE GOD IS ONE! :hail:


God has always been one;

But To men He is not one. :nono:


Does God enjoy the fun
As men fight over this bun? :fencing:


What all have been done!

Battles waged with gun! :tsk:


Good Sense prevails in none;

Each other they do shun! :hand:


Every Man is God's Son!

They say the tale is spun! :lie:


I bet Our God this will stun
Like bricks weiging a ton. :brick:

 

[Vaagmi]

Good imagination! No birdie sought for instruction !

You may please try it sir but please DO remember that we are humans and Lord Padmanabha is the Almighty! :thumb:

Is it so? The birdie tells me He looks like a replica of me-6' tall, athletic build etc., only the kireetam is missing.

For the present I have to hurry up. The order is ringing from the kitchen. I am switching of the Bhavayami in Neelambari and the Madhava Mamava in Ketara Gowlam before they become the Saama in a fusion.

I say that and so that is final-the ragas I mean. LOL.

 

[Vaagmi]

What is the big deal who worshiped whom?

Whether Rama worshiped Shiva or Shiva worshiped Rama?

That is why sometimes an overdose of Bhakti can cause differences of opinion..some might not like the idea of Rama worshiping Shiva and some might not like the idea of Shiva worshiping Rama.

So ditch Bhakti guys!!!.... for Vibhakti(grammar) solves all problems!LOL

Now pay close attention.

Parvati asked Shiva the meaning of Rameshwar ,Shiva replied-yasya ishwara ramah sah rameshwara uchyate-

which means One whose Lord is Rama is Rameshwara.


But Rama said: ramasya ishwaro yah sa rameshwara-which means One who is the Lord of Rama is Rameshwara.

There is no big deal.

But only as long as the episode is not converted into a stick to beat someone with. Then it becomes a skirmish.
It is the reaction in pain.

 

[Raji Ram]

:yo: to the poem!

I believe in 'avanindri OraNuvum asaiyAdhu'.

This is proved during each and every minute of our lives, if we are alert!
This 'avan' is different for each one of the theists!

 

[CHANDRU1849]

It is said that Sri Ananathapadmanabha Swami at Trivandrum does to poojA to the Shiva Lingam and there is a lingam
in the sactum sanctorum. There may be other interpretation by other groups, as per their imagination. :decision:

The Lingam watches and keeps the God to be active, at least during day time.

Otherwise, the God may enter into deep coma or vegetative state, as happened in the case of Aruna Shanbhag, and someone has to nurse the God for years together.