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Two more tests for evidence of spiritual energy

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Dear Folks,

Sorry for catching up late again. Just got my internet connection sorted out.

The first objective is to find out whether spiritual energy is real i.e, whether it can have a material effect on something. My experience is an unequivocal yes. But I am trying to figure out what would be a good set up to demonstrate that truth. I believe it is possible to prove it in a scientific way.

The subsequent objectives would be to show the scope of spiritual energy of which I have some fairly good idea and and finding out the characteristics of spiritual energy. Just as the journey from the hypothesis of an atom to the present advances in physics was an arduous one, it will similarly be diligent and resolute efforts that can shed light on spiritual energy.

So let us not write the epitaph so soon. The wise thing is to be patient and if possible try to constructively participate.
 
sravna said:
Dear Folks,

Sorry for catching up late again. Just got my internet connection sorted out.

The first objective is to find out whether spiritual energy is real i.e, whether it can have a material effect on something. My experience is an unequivocal yes. But I am trying to figure out what would be a good set up to demonstrate that truth. I believe it is possible to prove it in a scientific way.

The subsequent objectives would be to show the scope of spiritual energy of which I have some fairly good idea and and finding out the characteristics of spiritual energy. Just as the journey from the hypothesis of an atom to the present advances in physics was an arduous one, it will similarly be diligent and resolute efforts that can shed light on spiritual energy.

So let us not write the epitaph so soon. The wise thing is to be patient and if possible try to constructively participate.
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Dear Sravna,

Its not that I am trying to be harsh with you but the fact that your internet connection is giving you trouble what is your opinion on using spiritual energy to rectify a faulty internet connection?

BTW being patient is not always wise..you had given an impression to all of us that you are very sure of your spiritual powers but it seems now that there is no certainty at all from your side.

To give you the benefit of the doubt I think many of us have been patient enough.

So my simple question is..If you felt that you brought down the Summer Temp of Chennai..why didnt your powers work in this experiment?

You havent given any answers till now and the comparison with
journey from the hypothesis of an atom to the present advances in physics was an arduous one,is totally not apt.

Asking others to be patient is just buying time for the lack of answers.

Also you have always viewed science as one step lower than spirituality yet now you are comparing your effort with effort of science.

When we take a car for repair we expect the mechanic to give a diagnosis and repair the car..he identifies the problem and repairs the car...if the car breaks down again he knows his diagnosis was not right and looks for a reason why the car is still not back to normal.

Likewise..where are your answers?

The wise thing is to not give an Eureka impression before solid evidence.
 
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Dear Renuka,

It is a question of putting up the right set up and showing the truth. I have performed the cooling act myself and have succeeded. If you want to hold on to the belief that spiritual energy is unreal, you are welcome to do so. At least I am not in a hurry. Once the truth is out conclusively, then we can try to explain the results.
 
raysundar said:
That is why I did an earlier trail run to establish the normal cooling curve of the two vessels in the same room at the same location at the same time of the day but an earlier date.
I was expecting the Potboiler test to be different from my previous trial run.
But it did not seem any different.
Even if I had seen different trends I would have to repeat it several times to establish consistency of the Spiritual effect. Scientific proof requires repeated observations of the same effect and if possible at different locations.
The results I have plotted show consistent regression results between the two dates.
So question the Science as much as you please, and I will answer them faithfully.
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I agree with the repeat observations and the recording of results. My query is - If you observe a consistent drop in one vessel much rapidly than the other, how would you correlate it to be the effect of Sravna's SE (spiritual energy)? How do you prove the cause and the effect?
 
a-TB said:
Have a question. Is there a test to prove there is no spiritual energy ?
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sravna said:
... If you want to hold on to the belief that spiritual energy is unreal, you are welcome to do so..
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The onus of proof is on the individual who makes a claim or invention or discovery. Somebody says there is god, then he has to prove it. Until then, it is only a unproven belief.

Sravna, you cannot call out that those who ask for proof are also holding onto a belief that SE is unreal. This is absurd. The proposition of SE was put forth by you and the burden of proof lies on your shoulders.
 
auh said:
The onus of proof is on the individual who makes a claim or invention or discovery. Somebody says there is god, then he has to prove it. Until then, it is only a unproven belief.

Sravna, you cannot call out that those who ask for proof are also holding onto a belief that SE is unreal. This is absurd. The proposition of SE was put forth by you and the burden of proof lies on your shoulders.
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Dear Auh,

The gist of the point is till the proof comes out one has to wait. It has not been conclusively proven that spiritual energy does not exist either.

With due respect to Shri.Sundar and his integrity, let me put forth the only possible reason why the experiment did not show the effect of spiritual energy.

A huge amount of energy was transmitted even 4-5 days in advance which should have been overwhelmingly sufficient to cool the water and even not let the temperature rise unless there was a commensurate amount of physical . mental energy that was countering. I am not casting any aspersions on Shri.sundar and even if such efforts happened, I actually welcome it.

To clear out any uncertainty, let me suggest this:

I will conduct the experiment again but this time at Chennai and there can be 1 or more impartial observers at the place. As before I openly invite physics labs to try to counter the energy and if Shri.Sundar or others can take some initiatives in this regard that would be doing a service to all because of the possibility of getting at truth.
 
sravna said:
Dear Renuka,

It is a question of putting up the right set up and showing the truth. I have performed the cooling act myself and have succeeded. If you want to hold on to the belief that spiritual energy is unreal, you are welcome to do so. At least I am not in a hurry. Once the truth is out conclusively, then we can try to explain the results.
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Dear Sravna,

You have got it all wrong...its not that I believe spiritual energy is unreal...off course I know its real but the unreal part is you claim you have spiritual energy.

In another thread you were saying " I can show that the physical energy itself goes out of reality when under the influence of spiritual energy. How can one trust the evidence then of the physical world?"

But here you are trying to use physical world of science to establish your claim.

You have to decide...you can not be like Kumarila Bhatta who learnt under a Buddhist Guru and later did Guru Droha but at least he had the remorse to burn himself in a slow fire.

Here you are using science for everything yet claim you can even prove physical energy can go out of reality when you could not even make the temperature of the water undergo rapid cooling.

Its like Science Droha here..you use science yet try to claim science is nothing.

Then now you feel that it could be the Rays of Thoughts of Ray Sundar that could have affected the outcome...is your spiritual energy that weak that it could not even withstand Ray Sundar?

But yet you talk about using spiritual energy to handle terrorist?

I really dont know what else to say...there is totally no credibility anymore.

Yes..I am being harsh...will be harsh too..whether I am Dr Death of Ramana movie fame or not...the reason is becos I have been very patient but when there are no definite answers I do not play Mr Nice Guy anymore.

I seek evidence from you and answers too.

If you had done the experiment before..do it again and put it up for all of us to see..till then do not make wild claims of making a parallel spiritual sena for India.

The soldiers are real...they are brave men in a real world..not a make believe one.
 
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Dear Renuka,

You are doing a lot of talking instead of showing a little bit of patience. If you have read my post to Shri.Auh, I have requested for a repeat of the experiment. Let us wait and then reach a conclusion.
 
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sravna said:
Dear Renuka,

You are doing a lot of talking instead of showing a little bit of patience. If you have read my post to Shri.Auh, I have requested for a repeat of the experiment. Let us wait and the reach a conclusion.
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Dear Sravna,

You are doing a lot of talking without giving any answers...yet you prefer to think otherwise.

I was typing my post and stopped for a while to attend a phone call and continued typing..had to sign a document in between...so when I posted my post...only then I saw your reply.

So you can claim I have no patience..valid enough..just like I can claim you have no answers which is equally valid.
 
renuka said:
Dear Sravna,

You are doing a lot of talking without giving any answers...yet you prefer to think otherwise.

I was typing my post and stopped for a while to attend a phone call and continued typing..had to sign a document in between...so when I posted my post...only then I saw your reply.

So you can claim I have no patience..valid enough..just like I can claim you have no answers which is equally valid.
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It is simple Renuka. If you show some patience I can give you answers. I trust science only for its methods and that too only because in our times, only that way majority will get convinced. There is no other reason than that.
 
sravna said:
It is simple Renuka. If you show some patience I can give you answers. I trust science only for its methods and that too only because in our times, only that way majority will get convinced. There is no other reason than that.
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Dear Sravna,



Its actually even more simple...You show some answers...I would show some patience.
 
renuka said:
Dear Sravna,



Its actually even more simple...You show some answers...I would show some patience.
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OK Renuka but remember till then you are spoiling your peace. On a more serious note, You need to understand this is the first initiative we are undertaking to find out the truth, thanks to the efforts of Shri.Sundar. A certain result turned out but in my view it is not conclusive and so we need to perform more experiments. Till the results of those experiments are out should we not hold our views on what is the truth?
 
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sravna said:
OK Renuka but remember till then you are spoiling your peace. On a more serious note, You need to understand this is the first initiative we are undertaking to find out the truth, thanks to the efforts of Shri.Sundar. A certain result turned out but in my view it is not conclusive and so we need to perform more experiments. Till the results of those experiments are out should we not hold our views on what is the truth?
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Dear Sravna,

Believe me there is no loss of peace..its just an exchange of opinions in a more serious undertones...after all its a good training to have firm opposition..It would propel you to seek more answers and evidence.

Yes...we would hold our opinions till there is more evidence..till then no more mention of controlling temperature or terrorists attack etc.


For now Round 1 is over.

Round 2 would start after your experiment.
 
renuka said:
Dear Sravna,

Believe me there is no loss of peace..its just an exchange of opinions in a more serious undertones...after all its a good training to have firm opposition..It would propel you to seek more answers and evidence.

Yes...we would hold our opinions till there is more evidence..till then no more mention of controlling temperature or terrorists attack etc.


For now Round 1 is over.

Round 2 would start after your experiment.
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Renuka and Sravna,
I believe that every living creature that has a brain has Spiritual power that is propelling its thoughts and its existence.
The statement made by Renuka that Sravna does not have Spiritual Energy is wrong altogether.
Just as cell phones can be hacked and my conversation with someone can be intercepted and garbled or tapped into, it is quite possible, that Renuka's Spiritual energies are interfering with the experiments.
I think Renuka is probably a hacker, especially since I had chosen to let her in on this experiment.
Since she is acutely unsure about Spiritual energies and whether they can affect a physical experiment, I would recommend that experiments be conducted with certain "known Interference Spiritual Energies" removed from the experiments when planning the next series.
As to how we prove that any observed differences is actually due to Sravna's SE, I think we need to prove that by eliminating the source and seeing if the effect is gone. That is exactly what quantum physicists did to prove their postulates.
They have postulated the "existence" of "Neutrinos" that "no can see: but only feel its effect indirectly when they are absorbed by certain media like water. They actually tried the experiment using the postulate that "Neutrinos" are actually bombarding the Earth from stars in the outer space all the time.
They placed a large container of water deep inside a cavern to ensure no other interference and with all kinds of sensors to detect these neutrinos. Neutrinos are postulated to penetrate hard rocks.
Nothing happened and they did not even get one detection over several months. Then there was a news that they found a whole bunch of neutrinos detected at precisely the same time when there was an astronomical event of a Quasar eruption that was reported by some astronomers.
So certain things "existing" can only be "felt", like "smell" which is very subjective.
I cannot transmit my sense of smell to you.
So that is how postulation and proof works. Patience and faith are required even in the scientific field.
That neutrino experiment was part of several experiments costing billions of $s.
There are a lot things that one cannot see but still believe in or feel it.
SE is one such. It is absolutely subjective, but experiments are being conducted to make it objective.
 
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raysundar said:
The statement made by Renuka that Sravna does not have Spiritual Energy is wrong altogether.
Just as cell phones can be hacked and my conversation with someone can be intercepted and garbled or tapped into, it is quite possible, that Renuka's Spiritual energies are interfering with the experiments.
I think Renuka is probably a hacker, especially since I had chosen to let her in on this experiment.
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At the time when the experiment was done..I did a Homa and used all Biohazard waste material from my work place as an oblation recited "Om Kumba experiment Vinashanaya Namah" a 108 times while doing a head stand.

Then a demon sprang out from the fire and he told me he would block all Sravna's spiritual power by standing at the shores of USA.

The demon shot demonic arrows and rendered Sravna's spiritual energy ineffective and Ray Donovan...sorry..Ray Sundar conducted the experiment without realizing that the demon was blowing hot air on the pot labelled S hence it was slightly higher than the pot labelled C.


The demon did a good job and was rewarded well

Took him out for a car drive and bought him some KFC and MC Donalds burgers.

The demon dude after work done!


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Dear Renuka,

Feed the demon more but I suggest not with junk food as he may have to do a lot more work next time.
 
I think "Evil Spiritis" are tormenting Renuka!
I hope Sravna can cure her and render her to be more productive and useful.
No wonder she loves to work on corpses and finds peace through that.
Here we are trying to perform a live experiment and trying to extract the Spirit.
 
raysundar said:
I think "Evil Spiritis" are tormenting Renuka!
I hope Sravna can cure her and render her to be more productive and useful.
No wonder she loves to work on corpses and finds peace through that.
Here we are trying to perform a live experiment and trying to extract the Spirit.
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Yes...I love to work on corpses cos they speak the language of silence.There are stories they tell without the need to even have a thought

So peaceful the Smashanam is compared to the world of the living.

"Spirituality" in its dance of freedom. It peaks at 12 midnight when wolves howl...the freedom that everyone will taste eventually.

Evil need not be the enemy ..If you understand death...you understand life.

No experiment needed....just follow me to the morgue..I would show you Shivam in the Shavam.
 
renuka said:
He has a 6 pack...check out his abs in the pic above.

He is related Loki...so he is all powerful.
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Oh God! A Lady doc. invoking a demon with six pack abs that too while doing a head stand is interesting.

Now we can expect next some digambar male member of this forum doing another homam to invoke his favourite Mohini pisasu with a perfect ab crack and ideal thigh gap to neutralise this demon friend of doc. LOL.
 
Vaagmi said:
Now we can expect next some digambar male member of this forum doing another homam to invoke his favourite Mohini pisasu with a perfect ab crack and ideal thigh gap to neutralise this demon friend of doc. LOL.
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Yes....that would be just great! One needs to shed all inhibitions to perform an effective homa!

I do hope video of the Digambar Homa is uploaded here.

It can surely pass the censors based on the Spiritual content.
 
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