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Two more tests for evidence of spiritual energy

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Actually Vaagmi Ji has a valid point when he brought up the Digambar Homa.

I feel Ray Sundar and Sravna's experiment did not achieve desired results becos the clothings worn would have been non conducive for spiritual power transmission.

There are after all certain fabrics which are not considered Sattvic.

But these days most fabrics are non natural...so the only fabric which is in purest state is Digambar Fabric.

I am trying to help Sravna and Ray both here...may be they both should give this a thought.

Over to you Sravna..do you feel the type of fabric worn by you when sending out Spiritual signals caused results to deviate from original plan and also fabric worn by Ray added to it?


A point to ponder.

May be both of you should repeat the experiment in a state of complete purity where Spiritual Energy is at its peak.
 
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renuka said:
Actually Vaagmi Ji has a valid point when he brought up the Digambar Homa.

I feel Ray Sundar and Sravna's experiment did not achieve desired results becos the clothings worn would have been non conducive for spiritual power transmission.

There are after all certain fabrics which are not considered Sattvic.

But these days most fabrics are non natural...so the only fabric which is in purest state is Digambar Fabric.

I am trying to help Sravna and Ray both here...may be they both should give this a thought.

Over to you Sravna..do you feel the type of fabric worn by you when sending out Spiritual signals caused results to deviate from original plan and also fabric worn by Ray added to it?


A point to ponder.

May be both of you should repeat the experiment in a state of complete purity where Spiritual Energy is at its peak.
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Dear Renuka,

Forget that experiment. You seem to be too consumed by it. The energy was just warming up. The real experience will happen very soon.
 
sravna said:
Dear Renuka,

Forget that experiment. You seem to be too consumed by it. The energy was just warming up. The real experience will happen very soon.
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Surely there is always a warm up...nothing peaks right away.

Everything is Rhythmic and Cyclical.

Real experience should be happening soon...So Diwali release?
 
renuka said:
Surely there is always a warm up...nothing peaks right away.

Everything is Rhythmic and Cyclical.

Real experience should be happening soon...So Diwali release?
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The energy is powerful, intelligent and purposeful. Let us leave it to destiny for the date.
 
Janaki Jambunathan said:
Physical energy strictly follow certain laws or vidhi But spiritual energy is decided by Thalai vidhi or destiny!
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JJ
I think it should read "Thalai Veedhi". The guidance or path/route(veedhi) provided by the brain(thalai).
Spiritual energy is definitely guided by the brain activity to reach your destination and is also as intricately tied to the spirit.
In reality there are no "brain laws". When a spark of imagination hits you then your brain reacts according to its own preconditioned/stored information which we call upbringing.
I have noticed that ever since I started doing Gayathri Japam with all sincerity on focusing on the inward enlightenment by the rays of the Sun my thinking has greatly improved and channeled by my past "Spiritual Experiences".
 
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sravna said:
The energy is powerful, intelligent and purposeful. Let us leave it to destiny for the date.
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Destiny?

I thought SE is a higher form of intelligence etc yet you feel its left to destiny?


Shouldnt SE users have absolute control of a situation and be definite?
 
renuka said:
Destiny?

I thought SE is a higher form of intelligence etc yet you feel its left to destiny?


Shouldnt SE users have absolute control of a situation and be definite?
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I understand you use the term SE as short form of Spiritual Excellence, and in that case would like differ your opinion. There are many examples in our Puranas, where divine Souls have submitted themselves before destiny and have even taken birth in Iha loka to undergo/derive their destined results. In that case how can SE users can supersede divine souls?
 
renuka said:
Destiny?

I thought SE is a higher form of intelligence etc yet you feel its left to destiny?


Shouldnt SE users have absolute control of a situation and be definite?
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No wonder the the doctor who loves to work on corpses does not understand the "free nature" of the spirit which BTW does not exist in corpses. So don't go post morteming corpses to find spiritual energies.
Spirit is free will and the destiny of the person is somewhat uncertain but can be brought under control by proper "meditation".
 
GANESH65 said:
I understand you use the term SE as short form of Spiritual Excellence, and in that case would like differ your opinion. There are many examples in our Puranas, where divine Souls have submitted themselves before destiny and have even taken birth in Iha loka to undergo/derive their destined results. In that case how can SE users can supersede divine souls?
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SE=Spiritual Energy
 
raysundar said:
No wonder the the doctor who loves to work on corpses does not understand the "free nature" of the spirit which BTW does not exist in corpses. So don't go post morteming corpses to find spiritual energies.
Spirit is free will and the destiny of the person is somewhat uncertain but can be brought under control by proper "meditation".
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SE when applied should result in cooling SPot - But if SE is withdrawn corpses cool faster why
 
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raysundar said:
No wonder the the doctor who loves to work on corpses does not understand the "free nature" of the spirit which BTW does not exist in corpses. So don't go post morteming corpses to find spiritual energies.
Spirit is free will and the destiny of the person is somewhat uncertain but can be brought under control by proper "meditation".
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The doc working on corpses is looking for the reason why the compartmentalized Life Force left the body. Some choose to call that Life Force as SE.

But nothing beats the Mad Scientist looking for SE from an external source transmitted to his hot boiling pots of water.

Till now the Autopsy of that has not been completed as why the external source SE did not cool down the target.

Well..at least Dr Death knows the cause of SE leaving the body which involves a drop in core temperature of a corpse.

But Mad scientist still has no idea what the heck went wrong!LOL
 
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GANESH65 said:
I understand you use the term SE as short form of Spiritual Excellence, and in that case would like differ your opinion. There are many examples in our Puranas, where divine Souls have submitted themselves before destiny and have even taken birth in Iha loka to undergo/derive their destined results. In that case how can SE users can supersede divine souls?
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There are 2 situations here...

First type : those who still have residual karma..That I have read is becos of residual karma they let destiny shape their lives till residual karma is fully utilized.



2nd type:

In cases of those who have no residual balance there is no more destiny cos destiny technically is becos of Karma.

A person who has no Karma balance has full Free Will which he decides what and how and where he wants to be...taking lives to even suffer as to set example for others in a selfless manner and outwardly it may seem as if he is tormented by destiny but in reality he has zero Karmic account and the life he has taken does not accumulate any Karmic debts or Punyam or Papam.
 
Janaki Jambunathan said:
SE when applied should result in cooling SPot - But if SE is withdrawn corpses cool faster why
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Sravna, was trying to cool S by drawing "Hot/Bad Energy" while trying to keep the C pot steady.
But, nevermind, the experiment was a failure. So no need to harp on this.
Let us go on with the new proposal from Sravna, to do the same experiment in Chennai with a "Faithful" observer and not a scientific one like me. But I only hope they are not both "Illuisoned/Mayawed" into believing that the S cooled faster than the C.
The "faithful" observed needs to be objective and should not get drawn into the experiment but stand aloof and be non-committal.
I recommneded that he do something counterintuitive like have both at room temperature, but use hi SE to warm/boil S and not C. That would truly be a miracle.
The observer can make sure that nothing funky is going on like an immersion or inductive heater etc.
But Sravna thinks that is like bad influence of SE instead of positive influence.
Anyway, you all can chip in and what you want his SE to do.

As for corpses cooling when SE departs, it has a more scientific explanation and little to do with SE.
The heart pumps blood to the brain to keep it"alive" and thinking. The brain gives feed back to the heart based on sensory inputs from various sensors in the body and regulates the heart. Effectively the brain and heart form a feedback loop which goes through oscillations like any oscillator circuit. When the temperature is high then brain tries to activate cooling, but sometimes the body does not respond propely hence you get fever.
When the heart stops beating, one is clinically dead, the brain is active for some short period of time after that. So you can defribillate and restart the heart action.
You can also have the brain function collapse and stop all sensory reactions and puts one into a coma. At this point only the body temperature is regulated to keep the person "clinically alive" during coma.
Anyway, our doctor in the forum can take over and give more detailed explanation from here on about the living body and when one becomes/or is declared a corpse/"Spirit Free".
 
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renuka said:
There are 2 situations here...

First type : those who still have residual karma..That I have read is becos of residual karma they let destiny shape their lives till residual karma is fully utilized.



2nd type:

In cases of those who have no residual balance there is no more destiny cos destiny technically is becos of Karma.

A person who has no Karma balance has full Free Will which he decides what and how and where he wants to be...taking lives to even suffer as to set example for others in a selfless manner and outwardly it may seem as if he is tormented by destiny but in reality he has zero Karmic account and the life he has taken does not accumulate any Karmic debts or Punyam or Papam.
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Is this really a Doctor's (MB)BS!
I can't believe it.
Makes 0 sense!
 
renuka said:
But Mad scientist still has no idea what the heck went wrong!LOL
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Mad scientist knows exactly what happened and that the experimental results were in accordance with known physical cooling effects of the two vessels. I have plotted the trends and showed it to you all.
My conclusion was that nothing miraculous/out of the ordinary happened to prove SE.
BTW, mad scientists are the reason why we have this internet and TB forum and smartphones to instantly answer to the forum.
 
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raysundar said:
Now MS. Pretty soon I will have to award you a Ph.D in S***ology!
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Good idea I would need some samples to work on. I need donors...may be from intelligent donors to start with.

May be who knows I could discover that there is spiritual shakrit and non spiritual shakrit and they emit different energy levels.

Now you got me thinking.
 
raysundar said:
Is this really a Doctor's (MB)BS!
I can't believe it.
Makes 0 sense!
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Well, what is your idea of god, religion and spirituality? Do you think there is somebody up there, who sits and evaluates the "good" and "bad" deeds and awards them "janmas" according to merit?

Or if you have any other belief...
 
auh said:
That is hardly a reason for everybody to start acting like lunatics.
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Agreed. I feel bad now having turned the Spiritual forum into something else. I apologize.
I hope my Spirit guides me better than getting distracted into lunacy.
 
auh said:
Well, what is your idea of god, religion and spirituality? Do you think there is somebody up there, who sits and evaluates the "good" and "bad" deeds and awards them "janmas" according to merit?

Or if you have any other belief...
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God is in the mind of the meditator. Each person's view of God can vary from the absolute morality of righteous Rama to the absolutely free spirited and charming Krishna. God exists only in the mind. All these credits for good deeds and karma credits are also tools to set people on the righteous path towards realizing the "True Spirit of God" whatever that may be.

The connection between various "janmas" occurs through DNA transmission of traits of your ancestors.

Paramatma is the combined Spirit of all the living creatures that have brains and can think and reason.

Yes that is what I believe about God and Spirituality in summary. Spirit is the abstract force that propels one's thinking/reasoning.
 
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