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Dear Sravna,

I am not saying that religious heads should not be guiding the followers on worldly matters. In fact they should do that. My point is that they should not involve themselves in the politics of the country. I think there is no need to. If the religious heads can properly guide the people on religious and worldly matters they would not be abstaining from any of their responsibilities. I think religious heads would only be vitiating their credibility by getting involved in politics because there is no way they can have their way in a corrupt world.

Politics touches every aspect of society and thus the individual. There is no way wishing it away. It becomes dirty only when scoundrels try to dominate it and exploit it to the hilt. So I wont recommend shunning politics. Politics also presents opportunities to serve the society. So RHs will have to take political stands too. As long as these stands do not go against the basic grain of their belief system and values they will win and will be respected for standing up to bullying by the Evil. No harm will come their way even temporarily if they have their entire denomination of followers standing by them. That is possible only when they get properly organised as I have suggested.

I would elaborate this a little more. What I have in mind is something like the Parsi Panchayat(PP) in Mumbai. PP owns crores of rupees worth properties in Mumbai and elsewhere, owns shares in large corporates like Tata sons, ACC etc., runs hostels where elderly childless parsi couples are taken care of in 5* comfort until death(their Breakfast, lunch and dinner comes from Taj Mahal Hotel!!). If the RHs can organize the followers on similar lines with welfare(in this world as well as in the nether world) as the sole aim it can work. It has worked in the case of Parsis and it can work in the case of brahmins too. This kind of organization can take place only when the first step is taken and the first step is what I have suggested in my earlier two posts. Like parsis, every childless brahmin parents can leave their entire estate to the commonwealth which can be managed by self-less vcolunteers in one of those committees. May be a cry in the wilderness.

Cheers.

 

[sangom]

BTW what really surprises me is...many were not very happy with Kamal Hassan's Anti TB undertones in the movie Vishwaroopam...but seeing many post here..many are sort of not too happy with Jayendra Sarasawati's meeting with Nithyananda..so aren't many people here being anti Jayendra Saraswati who is a fellow TB?

So what actually makes people happy??

Smt. Renuka,

My view is that a hindu sanyasi who further claims that he is also the head of a mutt (although I consider the Kanchi Mutt is a fabricated one and brought into existence by Chandrasekharendra saraswathi who was a sanyasi under Sringeri minding its Sarada Matham at Kumbhakonam), should abide by certain dos and don'ts. One of the don'ts is not to be seen as a co-traveller of a spurious swami like Nithy.

Jayendra should have avoided this at this stage.

Similarly Nithy should have been without blemish if he genuinely wanted to be counted as a guru or sanyasi. Both have downgraded themselves but hindus as a whole may be more intelligent, I believe.

I personally do not at all support the so-called compulsory sanyasa; it is a different thing if some old person takes to sanyasa during the last stage of his life due to his own religious superstitions.

 

[palindrome]

I was a member of life bliss foundation. I was excited when I heard Nityananda himself was visiting the place where i lived. I not only attended all his lectures; but also attended his kundalini sessions twice. I was one of those who would stand in the queue to touch his feet.

Nityananda's exercises are just that -- a set of coordinated exercises which include breathing techniques. Yoga based exercises generally suit everyone. They are not like a tread mill run which some people with certain ailments cannot do.

If you exercise everyday coupled with the devotion they will heal you; it will definitely help you. I believe people who got healed were not into any form of exercise previously. So when they started following Nityananda's exercises, they found health benefits with 'Nityananda's blessings'.

My dad followed Baba Ramdev and did specific yogic exercises. His blood sugar dropped drastically. Within a year, he no longer required insulin pills. Baba Ramdev does not claim to be God or make you God. He simply swears by yoga.

As someone trained in kundalini previously, I found Nityananda's so-called kundalini exercises either missense or nonsense. The exercise part felt good but not the kundalini part. Nityananda tells people to 'unclutch' at a certain point. People sitting next to me did not know what it meant. They were talking amongst themselves. One man asked me in tamil what is nityananda saying. I said i do not know.

But most people do not want to be considered ignorant. So after a session the same people were gushing how nice it was and how great they feel! Maybe after paying so much money for each session, they themselves wanted to believe they are now healthy (how therapeutic can that get !)

In cases of certain godmen, devotion and queues can be simply mass hype. No need to follow the crowd.

If one wants to learn tantra, he / she can keep Shiva or any deity as ishtadeva / ishtadevi / manasika guru; and start reading tantra texts. If one wants good health, simply yoga will do. No need to go to certain godmen. Unless you have plenty of money and think you can buy moksha with it.

Some tantra texts do include sexual rituals. However, as a sadhaka progresses, he no longer requires sex. After a certain stage, tantrics often claim they experience ambrosia or amrit (nectar) and give up everything (maybe the effect of 'energy' at the Vishuddha chakra). They do not eat for days. They are lost in dhyana for days. Maybe after this, merging with the self happens by itself.

If Nityananda is still having sex, it means he has not progressed at all. IMO Nityananda is just a maverick who picked some stuff from babas roaming himalayan regions and created a cult following for himself from such 'information'.

My verdict -- Nityananda is a fake guru. Avoid him.

 

[tbs]

hi
generally this type of meeting should be avoided.....both are in somewhat court cases pending now....its really harmful for *******

and hindus too...i heard that general even north indian hindus against the arrival of nithyananda in kumbha mela....so sanyasis

should be try to be low profile than celebrity.....i heard that shilpa shetty went to kumbha mela and did some puja at

paramatha niketan swamiji.....these publicities very harmful for sanyasis and genaral hindus too...

 

[palindrome]

In continuation of above post, am writing the below, so readers will know something about tantras. This post and the above post can be deleted. Content is adult and not suitable for children.

There are a number of tantra texts. No one knows really how many. So perhaps, it is not possible to say all tantra texts are associated with sexual stuff.

It is however true some tantra texts contain elaborate rituals involving or culminating in sex. For example, a follower of Yoni tantra experiences yoni tattva by merging his seminal fluid with a female's menstruation blood; i.e., by having sex with a lady (often a devadasi in days of yore) during her menstruation.

Years ago, such folks were beyond all social norms. If the ritual resulted in conception, it was considered auspicious. Conception with a ritualized seed was considered 'powerful'; and such children were thought to possess a certain power, due to them from their birth. Perhaps that is why such children would grow up to become well versed in tantra themselves.

Over a period of time, however, these institutions broke down. From what I understand (from my reading so far), I find from mughal period onwards, petty prostitu**s began claiming to be devadasis (to elevate their status); and became part of temples too. But in an earlier period, devadasis were never compelled or coerced in any form (without her consent there was no question of any form of tattva).

I see the institution of devadasis or apsaras of yore; as a culture of women from various backgrounds. Their ranks were intellectual women, well versed in the arts, music, dance, and skills of conversation. These were women who chose to be liberated instead of being house bound. The institution was similar to that of geishas and they were allowed to die as virgins, if they so chose.

A section of these women were considered priestesses in their own right, and well versed in tantric rituals. These were considered yoginis or women with supernatural powers. Because as their kundalini energies arose, they too, like the men, would give up everything and move towards merging with the self.

Within the culture of tantrism, there are differing schools. But it was left to the people shaping the institution really. Some could choose yama, niyama, yogic rules, remain virgins. Some could choose a single partner for a time period, then give up sex forever. Some cud choose different partners over a period of time, then give up sex forever. Either ways, their goal was Samadhi or merging into divinity.

Such a culture of divinity and lineage of women was not unique to the Indian subcontinent. It was widespread in the old world. An example in popular usage, is the priory ritual involving ritual sex as described by Dan Brown in The Da Vinci Code. Back then, such women (nityasumangalis), much like the eunuchs, were invited to bless a bride or a couple during their wedding.

Present day judgmental values will not apply to them.

Note:
This post is meant for those who think R&D with some willing women is probably OK as long as the person is largely doing good for others. The institution of tantrism was no doubt a deeply spiritual one which paid no heed to social norms (before it broke down). However, men and women who abuse, misuse and fool people (and themselves) in the pretext of tantrism exist. Nityananda happens to be one of them. What good such people do for others is very subjective. One thing for sure, people like Nityananda have amassed a lot of money.

 

[biswa]

Did Nithyananda claim to be practicing tantra during his scandal? Why are we bringing so much meditation and philosophy in justifying it? It seemed a normal sexual episode involving two adults. To me the unseemly part is that she might have started as a disciple. That smacks of power-play and predator behavior. But this has been practiced by politicians, business bosses, swamis and even artists (e.g. Ravi Shankar). Which woman / couple should go to a swami if it is known that he will try to prey on the woman?

 

[suraju06]

Dear Palindrome,

You have written elaborately about the Tantric practices. You have also said they do not come under the purview of todays judgmental values. There must be yogis and yoginis in our country who may still be following these practices in their search for that ultimate samadhi. Nithy was one such Sadhaka who, in his search for samadhi (merging with divinity/self according to your own statement)employed tantric practices. If this is indeed so, why should we call Nithy a fake? Is it because he has amassed a lot of money? or because he did not take the help of a nithyasumangali as defined by the rest of the crowd of sadhakas and instead took the help of an actor?

Cheers.

 

[palindrome]

Dear Palindrome,

You have written elaborately about the Tantric practices. You have also said they do not come under the purview of todays judgmental values. There must be yogis and yoginis in our country who may still be following these practices in their search for that ultimate samadhi. Nithy was one such Sadhaka who, in his search for samadhi ([COLOR=#DA7911 !important]merging[/COLOR] with divinity/self according to your own [COLOR=#DA7911 !important]statement[/COLOR])employed tantric practices. If this is indeed so, why should we call Nithy a fake? Is it because he has amassed a lot of money? or because he did not take the help of a nithyasumangali as defined by the rest of the crowd of sadhakas and instead took the help of an actor?

Cheers.

If someone has not even 'conquered' mooladhara and requires sex, what capability does he have to guide others?

Also, my post was meant to convey tantrism is not for everyone. Please choose your path carefully.

 

[sravna]

Nithyananda acquiring wealth is really not an issue. The issue is how is he using that wealth? Is it used for the benefit of the needy and the deprived or is it just for stashing it into his bank account?

I am not competent to comment on the effectiveness of the tantric methods. Probably it has merit and may be sex is one way used in search of the divine. But I can certainly say if one has reached the acme of spirituality, he definitely does not possess the need for sex. And if one has not reached the acme of spirituality he can well succumb to the pressures and temptations of the world.

So it may be both. Nithyananda is still on the path to self-realization and was genuinely trying to use sex for that purpose or he had the natural affinity of every man towards sex. Only his other actions could throw light on what really is the truth.

 

[Brahmanyan]

I am pained to see that the discussion on this subject is going out of control and some members are using abusive language on the community while airing their views on the subject. All are free to post their opinion, but no need to use words which may hurt many others, just because they differ. Further not all Brahmins or Hindus are followers of a particular Mutt or an Acharya, to take interest in the personal affairs of the Acharya or Mutt head.
Moreover the matters referred to by some are sub judice, and not open for comments while the cases are in Courts.
I feel it is time for the moderators to intervene and set course correction.

Brahmanyan,
Bangalore.

 

[ShivKC]

I am pained to see that the discussion on this subject is going out of control and some members are using abusive language on the community while airing their views on the subject.
Brahmanyan,
Bangalore.

i intentionally stayed away from this, for the same reason.

and its very well know that this PALINDROME moniker was once owned by the infamous HAPPYHINDU , and by the tone of venom i think its right..

Good to see reverse exodus happening.

 

[ShivKC]

when Palindrome entered, i guessed such kind of abuses start flowing. thanks, nara is absent. Pls check out the old warning given by sh.praveen.

http://www.tamilbrahmins.com/general-discussions/6798-god-exists-109.html#post89787

post no 1081 in GOD EXISTS


HH/[COLOR=#DA7911 !important]Palindrome,

This is the [COLOR=#DA7911 !important]last straw​

. Please leave the forum and do not come back. I am tired of moderating all your issues and problems every now and then. After this message, this palindrome id is also going to be banned.

Every time its, he said this, she said this, he did that and she did that. Please understand as a brahmin forum you will be subjected to everything under and over the sun. Thats harsh reality and nothing can be done. I simply cannot alienate a lot of members to protect one member.

If you do have other id's, there is nothing stopping you from participating. But if it is going to be like how it is happening now, without warning those id's will also be removed.

I simply cannot have one member causing or being at the centre of all issues (small or big).

Period.

Like it or dont, you had a chance to do things differently under this id. But you chose not to and you have only yourself to blame for this debacle.

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Last edited by praveen; 03-08-2011 at 11:30 AM.​

 

[palindrome]

i intentionally stayed away from this, for the same reason.

and its very well know that this PALINDROME moniker was once owned by the infamous HAPPYHINDU , and by the tone of venom i think its right..

Good to see reverse exodus happening.

Everyone knows am happyhindu.

The infamous christian missionary SAPR333 did not disappear either; exodus or not, venom or not.

Perhaps he believes in the adage, When Simon Says Everyone Must Obey.

 

[palindrome]

when Palindrome entered, i guessed such kind of abuses start flowing. thanks, nara is absent. Pls check out the old warning given by sh.praveen.

http://www.tamilbrahmins.com/general-discussions/6798-god-exists-109.html#post89787

post no 1081 in GOD EXISTS


HH/[COLOR=#DA7911 !important]Palindrome,

This is the [COLOR=#DA7911 !important]last straw​

. Please leave the forum and do not come back. I am tired of moderating all your issues and problems every now and then. After this message, this palindrome id is also going to be banned.

Every time its, he said this, she said this, he did that and she did that. Please understand as a brahmin forum you will be subjected to everything under and over the sun. Thats harsh reality and nothing can be done. I simply cannot alienate a lot of members to protect one member.

If you do have other id's, there is nothing stopping you from participating. But if it is going to be like how it is happening now, without warning those id's will also be removed.

I simply cannot have one member causing or being at the centre of all issues (small or big).

Period.

Like it or dont, you had a chance to do things differently under this id. But you chose not to and you have only yourself to blame for this debacle.

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Last edited by praveen; 03-08-2011 at 11:30 AM.​

No worries. There is no intention to come back. I made the 2 posts coz there is a crowd out there (including well educated people and non-indians) who vouchsafe for Nityananda; not knowing what lies beneath. As someone who was in Nityananda camp previously i have every right to guide folks, especially women, never to go to him; no matter what; and no matter who else tries to bring credibility to Nityananda on any media or platform.

 

[sangom]

I am pained to see that the discussion on this subject is going out of control and some members are using abusive language on the community while airing their views on the subject. All are free to post their opinion, but no need to use words which may hurt many others, just because they differ. Further not all Brahmins or Hindus are followers of a particular Mutt or an Acharya, to take interest in the personal affairs of the Acharya or Mutt head.
Moreover the matters referred to by some are sub judice, and not open for comments while the cases are in Courts.
I feel it is time for the moderators to intervene and set course correction.

Brahmanyan,
Bangalore.

Dear Shri Brahmanyan,

I am sorry to say that I was pained to see a post from you in this tone. I do not at all think that the discussions here contain "abusive" language. (I don't know what you felt as abusive!) Perhaps you are one of those people who want others to talk what you wish to hear; but at this age of yours you will definitely be aware that this is impossible in this world. The Tamil adage "oor vAye mooDa muDiyAtu" is an eternal truth, unless there is dictatorship and an emergency-like condition in the country.

Coming to Jayendra Saraswati (JS) going to Nithyananda (Nithy)'s ashram and saying a benediction, is somewhat like L.K. Advani visiting Sonia Gandhi's bungalow and blessing Rahul et al. It is necessary that such a development is discussed. May be both JS & Nithy, under court cases for different crimes, of course, are comparing notes; or, may be JS who has lost almost all gullible crowds and also the income, is trying to learn how Nith has staged a comeback of sorts into the midst of an adoring crowd. Whatever the reasons, it was an unholy meeting, according to me.

I feel this misadventure by JS will further alienate his followers who mostly belong to conservative Tabra class, wheras, Nithy's following is of a different class and they may not be drawn towards the Kanchi Ashram (which even the people living in Kancheepuram, including the brahmins, now resent because of the various unmentionable activities of the swami-in-waiting, Vijayendra).

I wish all such points should be discussed and the different views of members will broaden our knowledge.

 

[P.J.]

The smartest students pass with 1st class and get admissions to medical and Engg Schools.
The 2nd class students get MBAs and LLBs to manage the 1st class students.
The 3rd class students enter politics and rule 1st and 2nd class students.
The failures Join Underworld and Control Politicians and Businesses .
And best of all.. Those who did not attend any School, become Bogus Swamis and everybody follow them!!

 

[suraju06]

Further not all Brahmins or Hindus are followers of a particular [COLOR=#DA7911 !important]Mutt[/COLOR] or an Acharya, to take interest in the personal affairs of the Acharya or Mutt head.

Dear Brahmanyan,

Why do you want to gag free opinion? So far no one here has used abusive words. Every Acharya, every Religious Head, every Imam and every cardinal or bishop and every Actor, politician, Ministers are people who are public figures and what they do and do not do is of interest to the general public. And they will pass comments. So it is not correct to say only the followers of a RH can comment about his behavior. Once you are a public figure all your action are public and they are commentable (commendable or not). The subjudice nature of a certain issue can not be used to gag the public opinion from expressing itself.

Cheers.

 

[sangom]

The smartest students pass with 1st class and get admissions to medical and Engg Schools.
The 2nd class students get MBAs and LLBs to manage the 1st class students.
The 3rd class students enter politics and rule 1st and 2nd class students.
The failures Join Underworld and Control Politicians and Businesses .
And best of all.. Those who did not attend any School, become Bogus Swamis and everybody follow them!!

Dear Shri PJ,

Though I recorded a "like" for the above post of yours, for its apparent humour, I will differ from those observations in some ways:
1. I don't think MBAs & LLBs 'manage' medical students; correct me if I am wrong.
2. All swamis and gurus are not uneducated; even Nithy, one of our persons in this thread, I am told, is a diploma holder in Engineering. He just disappeared one fine day from his native Tiruvannamalai and resurfaced after a few years as Nithy as we know him today, and, of course, just like most of his ilk, he had the uncontrollable, divine, urge to use his spiritual and yogic and what not knowledge for the betterment of his followers.

Nithy does not say that his path is tantric, but I suppose when the video evidence was proved to be genuine, he probably took shelter in tantric practice.

 

[prasad1]

It pained me to see Sri JS visiting Nityananda. It was a slap on the face of Shankaracharya followers.
I had kept away from this thread, as I felt let down.
But i agree with Mr. Raju, and Sri Sangom, that he is a public figure and we can definitely talk about him.
People like him should be held to a higher standard, and justifiably criticized when they fall way below standard.

Actually Mr. Sangom's post was insulting to Gandhi family.

The insult of Mr. JS visiting is like
Mr. Vajpai visiting a brothel, and being photographed in a compromising position with a nakade child.
Nitayanada is a predator, and sex addict.

I am deeply saddened by members here trying to defend Nityananda, he is beneath contempt. Let us not try to justify a vile person, just because he is amassed wealth, or foolish followers.

 

[palindrome]

Nithy does not say that his path is tantric, but I suppose when the video evidence was proved to be genuine, he probably took shelter in tantric practice.

Nityananda claimed to be teaching Shiva Sutras until he was caught with the video. The video showed only an ordinary bedroom act. There was no setting for a ritualized act. No question of he being a tantric in such case. He does not claim to be teaching tantra texts either. His only claim to fame are his exercises. Anyone could design a set of coordinated exercises for themselves.

Anyways, figured out something. A fundamentalist christian was probably upset coz i mentioned the priory ritual. Which would mean Jesus Christ came from a lineage of tantrism. And indeed it is not missed in Gnostic teachings (after all shamanism was widespread in the old world). But the highly esoteric teachings were lost or negated or suppressed over time. The Church began propagating their concept of sin and immaculate conception. Sometimes burnt at stake or branded witches, the feminine divinity disappeared forever in european societies.

While a true Christian wud focus on the teachings of Christ (with nothing else mattering as Tom Hanks said in the movie Da vinci Code); some consider such things like a threat to the Church. Those who believe in immaculate conception and such things wud certainly feel threatened. And Sapr333 being a fundamentalist, he must have felt it abusive.

Anyways, rest on email if needed.

Best wishes.

 

[Nacchinarkiniyan]

Nityananda has got into another controversy.

Godman Nithyananda ignites controversy in Kumbh Mela - Oneindia News

Earlier he had bought his way to the Madurai Adheenam post.

Now he has become the Mahamandaleswar of an Akara.

He has exposed the weakness of some of the Hindu Institutions.

 

[P.J.]

Dear Shri PJ,

Though I recorded a "like" for the above post of yours, for its apparent humour, I will differ from those observations in some ways:
1. I don't think MBAs & LLBs 'manage' medical students; correct me if I am wrong.
2. All swamis and gurus are not uneducated; even Nithy, one of our persons in this thread, I am told, is a diploma holder in Engineering. He just disappeared one fine day from his native Tiruvannamalai and resurfaced after a few years as Nithy as we know him today, and, of course, just like most of his ilk, he had the uncontrollable, divine, urge to use his spiritual and yogic and what not knowledge for the betterment of his followers.

Nithy does not say that his path is tantric, but I suppose when the video evidence was proved to be genuine, he probably took shelter in tantric practice.

Sangom Sir

I fully appreciate your Views;
yes , all Swamyji are not bogus, only some become.
You are right in your view that Medical students are not managed by MBA's

 

[C RAVI]

Sangom Sir

You are right in your view that Medical students are not managed by MBA's

Shri PJ,


There is something called "Hospital Management". Under this administration, the admin and HR executives/leaders are advocating, controlling, pressurizing and even forcing Dr's to change their personal views on ethics and morality.

Because, you see, "Hospital" is one among many corporate industries and "business" makes the sense for its existence.



And, it is correct to state that LLB's are too controlling Dr's. Lawyers look for substantial business through erring Dr's/Hospitals and play real game with them, demonstrating their outstanding tactical skills.

 

[P.J.]

Shri PJ,


There is something called "Hospital Management". Under this administration, the admin and HR executives/leaders are advocating, controlling, pressurizing and even forcing Dr's to change their personal views on ethics and morality.

Because, you see, "Hospital" is one among many corporate industries and "business" makes the sense for its existence.

RAVI Sir
Thanks, but very rarely it happens, normally Medical profession does not like others to boss over them.

 

[C RAVI]

RAVI Sir
Thanks, but very rarely it happens, normally Medical profession does not like others to boss over them.

Shri PJ,


I do agree with this reality. But, the thing is, since Dr's does not like others to boss over them, they end up changing from hospital to hospital, not feeling comfy with the Hospital Management.

So, the thing is, they come under the influences of Hospital Management. Unless they practice on their own and be their own boss, they have to bear the authorities of MBA's in admin and HR.