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Brahmin Girls Marrying (Attracted towards) NB Boys

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The only reservation I have for inter-caste marriage is that the family traditions starting from food preparation may not be agreeable to each other. The advantage of marrying within the same community is that at least the major family traditions will be similar to both and there will be no or less friction in that score.
In my case now my son and me are living by ourselves since my wife passed away in July 2008. Our combined income more than double of what we require. We really have no need for that much of money. I already have a fixed deposit in a bank to cover my funeral expenses. So I donate to some help organizations including "GiveIndia". We have decided not to buy a house or flat unless/until my son gets a wife. It would be difficult for us to maintain an own house. We do not want to hire a maid as it may give room for unwanted talks in the neighbourhood. We are particular in maintaining a clean life.
This is the way of life I learned from my father and grand-father. I think all our fathers and grand-fathers would have had similar views. During the last few years only changes began to take place in our community.
A friend told me as Kali yugam progresses, Brahmins also change.
I am not against the girls being educated. Nature has devised separate functions for males and females. Any education or learning should be for developing the naturally devised functions of males and females.
There cannot be an argument that a child has to be brought up by the mother only. How can one expect a software engineer woman to bring up her children properly? University Education is not the same today as it was. In the past, a university student learned many things apart from their subjects. They read books, publications etc. Now the students are learning only their subjects for the sole purpose of getting a certificate.
We now have a lot of qualified people but few learned people in the community. This applies both to boys as well as girls.
But the girls being so, affects the future of the community in particular and the society at large.
The western countries adapted to this system of same education for girls and boys during the 1960s. Today they have realized that it is a failure. They are trying to find a way out but could not find one yet. Because the feminine factor is lost in their society. In India, fortunately, the feminine factor is still prevalent in rural societies. Unfortunately, the feminine factor is fast disappearing in TN and specially in the younger generation - both among TB and others.
 
In the western world, church has lost all the controls. I have seen personally in Germany where no body goes to the church on Sundays. When I asked one of my friend, he asked me back, Why should I go to Church?

My elder son is in gulf and he says Muslim women are totally unhappy with the muslim customs. There is a fear among the men folk that their ladies may jump out of their religion even if they get slightest chance.

This is a global problem for all the religions. You are right we have given up lot of our daily routines as per our customs. My father gave up Panchakacham and Kudimi which was practiced by my grandfather. My father was doing Sandhyavandhanam daily without fail which I have given up. My children will dilute further.

It is high time our Acharyas suggest a new set of procedures which can be followed by all of us under the present circumstances.

We cannot compare the Christian Church with our Sanadhana Dharma. Church is an Institution that has a Head. It has membership, rules and regulations. The population became fed up with the Church for various reasons. The main thing was money. While the church collected money from the people, it did little for the community welfare; but was strict with taboos. Here in TN the Church and its priests are held in high esteem. Here the church involves in community welfare programs. Even though they have a purpose for helping people in the bottom line, those people consider the church as a benefactor and showers praise.
The story in Muslim countries is different. The women were kept in perfect control by men. Now, after the advent of Internet, women have access to information that up to now was not available for them.
VR Sir, panchakacham and kudimi are not symbols of Brahman. We do not know how our Rishs were clad in. Sandhyavandhanam is a ritual to exercise mind and body. When most of us have shed many tradition, it is not a sin not to do Sandhyavandhanam. However, the spirit of Sandhyavandhanam should be observed.
Whether one follows the visual characterists of his ancestors or not, the spirit remains though generations. For example, violence is anathema to Brahmins. I am sure your grandpa or you would not go and assault a person even if that person was provocative. Most probably, you son also will not do that. It is these characteristics that identifies a Brahmin from others.
 
tamil brahmin girls marrying nb boys

sir

no tamil family is willingly calls for nb boys for its girls to marry. it is the girls, out of their audacity and over education and sky level earning forget their community. pranams

r suryanarayanan
 
Dear Kunjuppu,

Consider my experience. Three of my wife's 'chiththis' are married to Iyengar men.
One of my close relatives is married in a Telugu brahmin family from A.P. Another one married a U.P. boy. Another married a Gujarati. Another one married a Mudaliar boy. Days are not far off, even having foreign sons-in-law may be very common.

I do not buy the argument that girls are less in number than the boys. There is a marked difference. Girls today have better say in their marriage matters and they have started asserting themselves, much to the chagrin of the elders in the family.
This is the real reason for girls or their parents filtering or even rejecting good number of cases, who are ideal matches for the girls in question.
sir

i quote "Girls today have better say in their marriage matters and they have started asserting themselves, much to the chagrin of the elders in the family." It is not the assertness of the girls,but the helplessness of the parents and the " i don't care! I have the money and education I have the attitude is only reason for that.

regards

r suryanarayanan
 
Dear all....

I hv personal opinion on this....

When the parents are adopting modernisation and not following some of the cultures and rituals, how we expect our kids would follow the same....

I am of the opinion that the main cause of a girl marrying a NB boy is purely the fault of the parents..

Right from the birth, the kids shud be taught of the traditions and culture of our community and brought up....

Parents shud be totally care on the childrens, watch of their movings and correct them at approriate times....

Only in metros and other countries such things are normal... but not in interior parts of tamilnadu or villages....

Due to metropolitan life, IT sectors, and others factors, girls are not being watched by parents, as girls earn high and parents are expecting the salary earned by the girl in such metros.... due to financial issues or some reason or the other....

This is purely based on my survey, as i happen to see many parents running behind girls on alliance... (For the past 13 years am running Matrimonial Bureau only for our community in Pondicherry)....

I even conduct Swayamvaram in major cities, at Chennai, Kumbakonam, Salem, Trichy and Pondicherry for the benefit of our community, where, based on the horoscope, i fix marriages on the stage itself, on comparing the horoscopes of the boy and the girl..... so far more than 500 marriages fixed on the stage itself apart from other settlements.....

So, in total, i would put blame on the parents of the girl only and not the girl, who is marrying the NB boy....as the girl is not brought up with our tradtion and culture....

Thanks...I shall be corrected if i am wrong...
Sir

Thanks for a very good write up. As far I know that out of 10 divorce cases in chennai 7 to 8 comes from brahmin girls married to nb boys. Another out of 10 divorce cases 6 to 7 comes from IT sector. Your reason " Due to metropolitan life, IT sectors," shall be most contributing factor, I suppose. Will any body analyze the % of divorces made from IT sector/marriage of Brahmin Girls to NB boys in IT sector? I am sure that will be astonished to know the same. The things which are happening at Chennai/Bangalore/Pune in India is not/less happening to the micro percentage elsewhere.

If i am wrong i request that I may be corrected.

regards

r suryanarayanan
 
I don't think our community will be wiped out in the near future. There are some challenges but the same has to be converted into an opportunity. The fact that we are discussing openly in this forum of this issue itself is a great thing.
Sir

Fantastic. Our community is not wiped out and we discuss issues even today - from 1969 to 2009 - full 40 years is a great achievement for all of us. I am sure we will overcome all these glitterings which are not gold - We will prove that we are gold only to the world.

Pranams

r suryanarayanan
 
an appreciation of swaminathasharma

swami,

i have been reading all your posts.

we know, that you and i, may not agree on many matters.

but with each post of yours, my regard for you goes up exponentially.

i wish to congratulate and thank you for being so good in presenting your viewpoint not only clearly, but mildly and calmly.

also sir, when you see a problem, you come up with solutions.

problems announce by themselves. personally i think, finding solutions and doing something about it, per our mite, is far more useful to the community, than finding blame.

sir, truths can be whispered and will blast through the ears. your truths are those.

wishing you and enterprises well... thank you :)
 
Sir

It is not targeting of our girls. The girls are vulnerable because of AGE and due to want of parental care at right time. Further, Our girls appears to be not strong enough to weigh the pros and cons! and cry subsequently. - Mainly due to disintegration of joint family system in our community to the core!

regards


r.suryanarayanan
 
From my own observations, I say this.

Nowadays, educated girls (not all) don't listen to elders, especially when they earn a fabulous sum. They want to be independent and take all important, sensitive and critical decisions themselves.

Only when they encounter problems - serious problems - they come back running to the very same elders, who cautioned them earlier. At this point too, with all earnestness and sympathy, the elders suggest several solutions. After patiently listening to all of them, again the girls do something differently. Then, who can save them?
 
From my own observations, I say this.

Nowadays, educated girls (not all) don't listen to elders, especially when they earn a fabulous sum. They want to be independent and take all important, sensitive and critical decisions themselves.

Pannvalan sir,
I agree with what you say above. It is these qualified girls who are responsible for the increase in number of divorces. I have personal experience of this. I have seen a girl who was a bachelor degree holder but was not employed at the time of her marriage. Her husband encouraged her to qualify more than his qualification. Then she got a job. After 2 years she was earning more than her husband and she said she wants to be independent. The divorced by mutual consent.
It is the misunderstanding of the word Independence that is ruining not only our community but also the entire society.
About 5 or 6 months ago I listened to a program about AIDS in the Tamil service of BBC (Thamizhosai: BBCTamil.com | ??????? | Tamil News index). In the program several doctors, health authorities and several others were interviewed. A lady doctor in Chennai who was in charge of governmental AIDS awareness program said the majority of young people who come for consultation are from the IT sector like call-centres. She said more than 80% of those who came to her have said they had unprotected sex with more than one partner. There was a suggestion that the campaign was planning to make available condoms in places like call centres. This is not loose talk, the facts were given by people of authority.
Even though I do not have any IT qualification I learned a small amount of programming and now I earn from my home with a computer and BB Internet. There was a girl in the ground floor who is a programmer and worked for a big IT company in Bangalore earning 25000 rupees salary. One day I had a doubt and asked her whether she could help me to solve the problem. I was amazed to know that she did not know even what I know. I asked her what was her job in the company. She said her work was taking statistics of visitors to the company website. She said the company has installed a software in the computer and she only have to take the reports. She is a B.E. (CS) degree holder.
These qualified people cannot earn even 1p if they are thrown out of their companies.
 
Those who know everything, keep quiet.
Those who do not know anything also keep quiet.
Only those who possess superficial knowledge in so many things jump and
indulge in self-flattery. They have an unrealistic self-esteem which invariably
leads to chaos!

I always tell: "A little knowledge is more dangerous than lack of knowledge".

Regarding the youth having pre-martial sex and that too, in an unprotected manner,
we can have a separate discussion, as it has afflicted youth belonging to all castes, genders and geographical areas.
 
Those who know everything, keep quiet.
Those who do not know anything also keep quiet.
Only those who possess superficial knowledge in so many things jump and indulge in self-flattery. They have an unrealistic self-esteem which invariably leads to chaos!

Pannvalan Sir, I am sorry for relating my personal experiences. I never thought it would be interpreted as self-flattery. I do not have any superficial knowledge. I am still a student. There is no one in this world who know everything and there is no one who does not know anything. Kattrathu Kaimannalavu, Kallaadhathu ulagalavu. I am now 66 years old and still I learn things from books and the Internet. Sometimes I share with others what I learn.
Can I interpret your above statement as that those who write in these forums are those 'who posses superficial knowledge in so many things' because otherwise they should have kept quiet.
The reason for my including the BBC program content is because it is also a cause for increase in divorce cases. It has relevancy with the subject matter of this topic.
Anyway, I will listen to your point and keep quiet. I will be a silent watcher.
 
Dear Sharma,

Sorry for the unintended hurt. What I said was against the immature, but educated youth, certainly not you.

Once again I tender my apologies. I request you to continue your active participation in the forum. I will be the last person to stifle any voice, sane or otherwise.
 
dear rprasad the fault lie with us. we as parents give more preference for educating our children be it boys or girls rather than to expose them to our culture and practice. once this link with our culture and practice gets cut off you cannot expect them to follow our path. Try to educate and train your son or daughter about of hoary tradition and culture.
vvs
 
sorry, I am a late comer. I am not able to read so many posts. I have been a witness of B girl marrying NB boys and vice versa. As for as I see this, it basically comes from the family value. if we dont have time to spend with kids, teach them the values, it is quite possible that they will when they grow up act independently.

If we accept that we use all NB's service, why not B girl marry NB Boy, then there is no question of B or NB and there is really no meaning. But I have seen lot of girls, even when they get opportunity they dont just jump. I have seen many NB heroes tried to woo (long time before - people :)) B girls. And many of them never gave any hood. And those families I observed, they must have educated the girls clearly at the right time, or they spend quite lot of time with them and importantly either mom or dad would have been very close as a friend, and those modern trendz (like allowing boys to come to house for special class etc etc) are not encouraged.

Safety first. Girls need guidance and protection. Lets not make them to be 'self-sufficient'. There is really no need. Let us give them knowledge. I no need to tell about brahmin boys attracting a brahmin girl. Where is the time swamy, engineering and medicalnu oda vendi irukke?

Adhanala ammanjiya naama!.

Thanks
PV
 
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Mr.Pvraman has given a crystal clear explanations......Fantastic...


After going through this post and following feedbacks, I recollect my childhood and grown up days till the date I spent my life with my parents...

We are three to our parents.. 1 daughter and 2 sons.

We were repeatedly advised of our traditional values. Parents used to discuss and chit chat with us about lots of historical events, the stories of our forefathers and lot more. Every festival were celebrated with true sense and incorporating the purpose and importance of each of them.

As my father was working in Air Force, our childhood was spent in various Northern States of India between multilingual, multi traditional people. Despite this we could have good understanding of our Brahmin Tradition because of our parents.

We traveled a lot to pilgrim places both in North India and South India. We brothers and sisters got a deep interest to visit places and perform araadhnaas.

During holidays we use to plane as to which temple to be visited. Like Kanjanur, Aalangudi, Aduthurai, Kalahasthi, Tirupathi and many other important places other than Swamy Malai (Swaminatha Swamy is our family diety).

This way we had a very good upbringing and could be a descent citizen in the society.

We never thought of getting into love with any one unmindful of the cast & religion.

In fact we tried avoiding such possibilities...

We were busy with our studies and career and never could think of all that...

IT IS APT TO SAY AS PER MR.PVRAMAN - "Adhanala ammanjiya naama!."

Cheers..

RAVI



sorry, I am a late comer. I am not able to read so many posts. I have been a witness of B girl marrying NB boys and vice versa. As for as I see this, it basically comes from the family value. if we dont have time to spend with kids, teach them the values, it is quite possible that they will when they grow up act independently.

If we accept that we use all NB's service, why not B girl marry NB Boy, then there is no question of B or NB and there is really no meaning. But I have seen lot of girls, even when they get opportunity they dont just jump. I have seen many NB heroes tried to woe (long time before - people :)) B girls. And many of them never gave any hood. And those families I observed, they must have educated the girls clearly at the right time, or they spend quite lot of time with them and importantly either mom or dad would have been very close as a friend, and those modern trendz (like allowing boys to come to house for special class etc etc) are not encouraged.

Safety first. Girls need guidance and protection. Lets not make them to be 'self-sufficient'. There is really no need. Let us give them knowledge. I no need to tell about brahmin boys attracting a brahmin girl. Where is the time swamy, engineering and medicalnu oda vendi irukke?

Adhanala ammanjiya naama!.

Thanks
PV
 
பசங்க தான் ஸ்வாமி, படிப்புன்னு ஓடராங்க, பெத்தவங்க இல்லையே!. பெத்தவங்க தான் பசங்களுக்கு முதல் வாத்தியார். பசங்க நல்லா இருக்கணும்னா முதல் வாத்தியாருங்க, முதல்ல நல்லா கடமையை செய்யணும்.

கன்னா பின்னான்னு முற்ப்போக்கு ஆகிதான் முதல்ல b க்கும் nbக்கும் சொல்லி, பின்ன இந்துக்கும் மத்த மதத்தவரும் செஞ்சாக்க தப்பில்லைன்னு வந்து, இப்போ, ஆணுக்கும் ஆணுக்கும் பொண்ணுக்கும் பொண்ணுக்குமே கல்யாணம் செய்துக்கலாம்னு கோர்ட்டே (இந்தியன்) சொல்லிடுச்சு. கலிகாலமா காலிகாலமா? முறையில்லாம வாழ்ந்தா நமக்கும் மிருகத்துக்கும் என்ன தான் வித்தியாசம்.
 
Dear pvraman Ji,

Since you are new here, perhaps you do not know the Forum policy. There are a few of our members who do not know how to read Tamil. If you post in Tamil, please provide a translation or at least transileration. Otherwise Tamil only posts will be removed. Thank you.

Regards,
KRS

பசங்க தான் ஸ்வாமி, படிப்புன்னு ஓடராங்க, பெத்தவங்க இல்லையே!. பெத்தவங்க தான் பசங்களுக்கு முதல் வாத்தியார். பசங்க நல்லா இருக்கணும்னா முதல் வாத்தியாருங்க, முதல்ல நல்லா கடமையை செய்யணும்.

கன்னா பின்னான்னு முற்ப்போக்கு ஆகிதான் முதல்ல b க்கும் nbக்கும் சொல்லி, பின்ன இந்துக்கும் மத்த மதத்தவரும் செஞ்சாக்க தப்பில்லைன்னு வந்து, இப்போ, ஆணுக்கும் ஆணுக்கும் பொண்ணுக்கும் பொண்ணுக்குமே கல்யாணம் செய்துக்கலாம்னு கோர்ட்டே (இந்தியன்) சொல்லிடுச்சு. கலிகாலமா காலிகாலமா? முறையில்லாம வாழ்ந்தா நமக்கும் மிருகத்துக்கும் என்ன தான் வித்தியாசம்.
 
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Dear KRS Ji,

I regret not to have read fully the guidelines first, because, i thought I am not going to post anything offensive to anybody, I just had a bird-view only on the guidelines.

I will always keep this in my mind.

Thanks
 
No problem, you did not know. That's why I did not delete the posting. Thanks for the understanding.

Regards,
KRS


Dear KRS Ji,

I regret not to have read fully the guidelines first, because, i thought I am not going to post anything offensive to anybody, I just had a bird-view only on the guidelines.

I will always keep this in my mind.

Thanks
 
Dear Mr.Swaminathasharma,

You could not interpret what Mr.Raman and myself have quoted above....

I would like to re-iterate some of the highlights of our comments collectively to make you clear....

1) There are many Brahmin boys marrying Non-Brahmin Girls
2) There are many Brahmin girls marrying Non-Brahmin boys
3) There are many Brahmin girls who would never heed to the romantic
proposals of Non-Brahmin boys.
4) The sole reasons for these happenings - Both negative and positive are
the parents.
4) The way the parents bring up their children plays a crucial role in
moulding children.
5) If parents maintain a balance between parenten love and friendship
approach with their children, than the chances of children taking
negative decisions will be bleak.
6) Boys and girls of such parents would spend their time only in their
education and career and would not get diverted towards the feel of love
and romance.


As indicated above we both have emphasized on the parental behavior and responsibilities that can alone sustain the Brahmin Culture and it's discipline for generations over generations...

Endorsing Mr.Raman's view, I gave the example of my own life in my previous post.

That we have wonderful parents who maintained and maintaining a good balance between their parental love and friendship approach with we brothers and sisters. They educated us, loved us as parents and friends, they gave us the liberty to discuss any issues with them, they discussed with us every rites and rituals that we brahmins follow and they were ever been our mentor.

As a result we spent our time only in developing our knowledge, in our education and in our career. And now though I am working in Dubai, I still carries the values of Brahmin culture, do prays to the extent possible and as a 33 years young bachelor, still awaiting my dream brahmin girl to hold my hands for my life time as my best friend.


Cheers...

RAVI


Helo Ravi and Raman....

Welcome to forum...

Time kidaikalanaa... ponno eppadi venalum pogatummnu vittuduveengala... Parents thaan sir, pasangala kannum karuthumaa paathukkanum... Pombala pasangala padikka vacha mattum pothaathu... Avalukku nalla vazhkai amaichu kodukka vaendiyathum, pethavangaloda kadamai sir...

Atha vittutu, time illa, medical poganum, engineer poganummnu odikittu iruntha, ponnu vera evanodayo oda vendi irukkum....

Paathukonga sir..... jaakaratha..... hahahahaha
 
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