Define a Brahmin please!!

[C RAVI]

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Dear Ravi,
my dear Ravi boy as I have said before you seem to click like for most posts in a debate and its confusing at times what is really your stand.
So no big deal yaar..be cool dude.

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Dear Renuka,

Thank you for your cool reply..

I am allways too cool and considerate, that's why in many of the posts, if I find the content reasonable and valid, can find them correct though in contrary to mine, with pleasure I click "Like". That's my way of respecting the contents of the post, if as per my openion, I find them as reasonable.

We don't have the ranking - FAIR/GOOD/EXCELLENT/NOT AGREEING TOTALLY/AGREEING IN FULL etc.etc.

So, I would better click "Like", If I find the post reasonbaly acceptable to me, some way.

It's not only me. I have found few such "Like" approval by other members too. Either to my own posts or that of others.

I participate here to not only keep projecting my views, but to learn/get to know many other prespectives. As well, I have the tendency to accept others POV, that are in contrary to mine, and declare openly by clicking "Like", if I find them acceptable to me in some way or other.


Now, I think, I can hope, you wound not much feel confused and uneassy to find me having clicked "Like" on some of the posts that are not in accordance to my POV some way.


But my conclusion would ever be the same, as per my POV.

 

[Yamaka]

Dear Yamaka,
I disagree,you can keep counting but Vedas will never be forgotten.

Hello Renuka:

I have met too many people who say, "Vedas are so magnificent... I love them.. they have answers to all the persistent questions of modern life"

I say, "So you have read all the Vedas.. you understand them.. and you know them well, I gather".

They reply, "No..No.. I can't read Vedas myself..but I have heard people talking about... that's all; and nobody knows exactly what they say, I guess".

If in a year, all 60 million Brahmins (about 5% of India's population) say that they can read and understand the Vedas, I will be indeed happier.

This is NOT any different from vast majority of the Muslims, who daily recite Koran, but hardly know what it says.. for only about 20% of them know Arabic!

Cheers.

 

[renuka]

Hello Renuka:

I have met too many people who say, "Vedas are so magnificent... I love them.. they have answers to all the persistent questions of modern life"

I say, "So you have read all the Vedas.. you understand them.. and you know them well, I gather".

They reply, "No..No.. I can't read Vedas myself..but I have heard people talking about... that's all; and nobody knows exactly what they say, I guess".

If in a year, all 60 million Brahmins (about 5% of India's population) say that they can read and understand the Vedas, I will be indeed happier.

This is NOT any different from vast majority of the Muslims, who daily recite Koran, but hardly know what it says.. for only about 20% of them know Arabic!

Cheers.

Dear Yamaka,

See no one knows 100% in anything but nothing can be worse than someone who has not taken the trouble to learn the Vedas but 100% cock sure that its all bunkum and 100% confident that others dont understand anything.
Do you know anyone like that?



P.S BTW why are you assuming that only a Brahmin knows Vedas.I guess you havent met people of other castes and other races who recite Vedas and understand them too.
And one more point: How come you left out the Bible here?Translated versions dont count.Christians should also learn Hebrew(Old Testament) and Greek(New Testament).

 

[Yamaka]

Dear Yamaka,

See no one knows 100% in anything but nothing can be worse than someone who has not taken the trouble to learn the Vedas but 100% cock sure that its all bunkum and 100% confident that others dont understand anything.
Do you know anyone like that?



P.S BTW why are you assuming that only a Brahmin knows Vedas.I guess you havent met people of other castes and other races who recite Vedas and understand them too.
And one more point: How come you left out the Bible here?Translated versions dont count.Christians should also learn Hebrew(Old Testament) and Greek(New Testament).

Hello Renuka:

My answer by para:

1. Yes, no one knows 100% in anything. What's the relevance here?

Yes, lots of people have NOT taken the trouble to learn the Vedas.

Here I am talking about people who claimed to have known Vedas, but in fact have not read it. Not about THOSE who have not read it.

2. Yes, it's my assumption that Brahmins are people of reading and knowing Vedas.
No, I am not aware of people of other castes learning Sanskrit AND reciting Vedas.

About Bible, English being the universal language of mass communication and commerce a Bible translated in English would reach lot more people than Hebrew or Greek. As such, there is no NEED for Christians to learn Hebrew and/or Greek, IMO.

And, Koran is not supposed to be translated for reciting during the prayers. For daily prayers, ALL Muslims must recite the same verses in Arabic through out the world.

Take care.

Y

 

[Yamaka]

Hello Happyhindu:

Here is a Reference that may be useful to you:

Genetic Evidence On the Origins of Indian Caste Population. Bamshad et al. Genomic Research 11 (6): 994-1004. You may get the article via (Ref 91) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caste_system_in_India

The short conclusion of the authors:

1. Maternal mtDNA analysis shows that 80% of Indian population is genetically closer to proto-Asians, the rest to West Eurasians (I believe the Central Asians)
2. Paternal Y chromosome genetic analysis reveals that higher caste people have closer resemblance to West Eurasians.
3. Bipaternally inherited Alu-element analysis shows that higher caste people have more affinity towards West Eurosians.

Cheers.

 

[renuka]

Hello Renuka:

My answer by para:

1. Yes, no one knows 100% in anything. What's the relevance here?

Yes, lots of people have NOT taken the trouble to learn the Vedas.

Here I am talking about people who claimed to have known Vedas, but in fact have not read it. Not about THOSE who have not read it.

2. Yes, it's my assumption that Brahmins are people of reading and knowing Vedas.
No, I am not aware of people of other castes learning Sanskrit AND reciting Vedas.

About Bible, English being the universal language of mass communication and commerce a Bible translated in English would reach lot more people than Hebrew or Greek. As such, there is no NEED for Christians to learn Hebrew and/or Greek, IMO.

And, Koran is not supposed to be translated for reciting during the prayers. For daily prayers, ALL Muslims must recite the same verses in Arabic through out the world.





Take care.

Y

Dear Yamaka,

You said:

2. Yes, it's my assumption that Brahmins are people of reading and knowing Vedas.
No, I am not aware of people of other castes learning Sanskrit AND reciting Vedas.

Well,I guess you havent really seen the world yet!!


You also wrote

:About Bible, English being the universal [COLOR=#DA7911 !important][FONT=inherit !important][COLOR=#DA7911 !important][FONT=inherit !important]language[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR] of mass communication and commerce a Bible translated in English would reach lot more people than Hebrew or Greek. As such, there is no NEED for Christians to learn Hebrew and/or Greek, IMO.

Is it becos you read the Bible in English?



Amen

 

[Yamaka]

"Is it becos you read the Bible in English?



Amen"

Me Na.... I stopped after first Chapter, The Genesis!

 

[Yamaka]

"Well,I guess you havent really seen the world yet!!"

Hi Renuka:

In the world that you have seen what % of other caste people know Sanskrit AND they read and recite Vedas?

They must be a tiniest of the tiny fraction!!! What say you?

 

[renuka]

"Well,I guess you havent really seen the world yet!!"

Hi Renuka:

In the world that you have seen what % of other caste people know Sanskrit AND they read and recite Vedas?

They must be a tiniest of the tiny fraction!!! What say you?

Dear Yamaka,

They can be smaller than the smallest and bigger than the biggest.

aNoraNIyAn mahato mahIyAn (Mahanarayanopanishad)

 

[meghavarshini]

I'm sorry, this was a complete waste of time. Apart from having my text deconstructed by dozens of people, nothing productive happened. Sorry for posting such a 'terrible' and 'vague' post(feel free to add more epithets).
Advice to read older posts was unnecessary, I did that before writing this.

 

[renuka]

"Is it becos you read the Bible in English?



Amen"

Me Na.... I stopped after first Chapter, The Genesis!

Dear Yamaka,

I am sure you can read this and kindly answer me.

هل تتكلم اللغة العربية؟

 

[sravna]

Some one can only be born a brahmin. There is only one case to my knowledge where a non brahmin became a brahmin in the same birth and that person is the inimitable sage brahmarishi Viswamitra, the discoverer of gayatri. If you read about his efforts to become brahmarishi you would conclude that it is almost impossible for a person not born as a brahmin to become brahmin in a single birth. Here I am not talking of caste brahmins. I am talking about persons who are born with the qualities fit to be a brahmin. Thus a rajas and tamas dominated person cannot qualify as a brahmin IMO.

 

[Ramacchandran]

Who is a Brahmin

A Brahmin in ancient times, meditate on Brahat, the universe and feel the vibrations created by other Planets such as Sun, Moon etc. Then he will realise how it affects our system and the environments, that reflects in our body. The education for this starts at the age of three where the boy watches the proceeding of each and every meeting. At the age of 5/7 he is taught with gayathri, which is the followed with 10 classes and finally SriVidhya. Dr.Annebesant made a through study that resulted in OCCULT CHEMISTRY.

When a man gets success in knowing the Brahat, the universe is called brahmin!
Brahmin is not a caste but a honarary degree given to a man who realize the fact through his son.

If a brahmin is Born how Vshwa Mithra, a Kshatrya was offered a seat as Brahmin?

So to my knowledgs brahmin is a honour .

 

[C RAVI]

Dear Renuka,

Kindly excuse me for butting in your conversation with Sri Yamaka.

Just want to clarify some of my doubts with you. Hope you will take interest and reply me. Your reply may help me to be relieved from my serious concerns.

AFAIK, people are finding no time to spare for many of their personal / domestic commitments in this fast moving/hectic world. However efforts one takes to update himself/herself with current affairs/politics etc amidst hectic work schedule, majority of the people found to be not so well informed.

AFAIK, in ground reality there are 1000's of Brahmin families and all Non Brahmins who perform many rituals/pooja with the help of priests. I doubt, Brahmins/NB's would learn vedam/vedic pooja systems and perform on their own.

Hardly few people who are into own business/professional practices may have interest in vedam and learn for their own pleasure and satisfaction, as a matter of their hobby and interest. But I doubt, such interested and learning person would do/capable to do something constructively in the society for sustaining and glorifying Vedams.

IMO, in India, if we still have value for Vedam, it's all due to major contribution by vedici people/priests. Off course many of us who use their services for many rituals/poojas and occasion in our life, are some how contributing in sustaining vedams/shastrams out of our belief.

My only concern is, vedic people are not in tune with the modern life style. They can't be as a matter of fact and are used only for solemnizing occasions in our day to day life.

What will be the plight of Vedic/priests community in coming days? Gradually in due course of time, there would not even be a single unmarried priest with a possibility of getting married, IMO. If such a scenario prevails, how can we expect Vedic/priests community to exist for future generation? And how can we expect Vedams to prevail in our Hindu Society?

 

[B.Krishnamurthy]

Dear Shri.Ravi,
Before Smt.Renuka Karthikayan giving you a detailed reply I thought of removing your apprehensions about Vedas in future generations.I am regularly going through various discussions from"Global Organisation of Hindus"in Face Book.I find Hindus are spread in many countries.and one need not unduly worry about the survival of Vedas in future.
You may be aware 'Hinduism' is not taught in any established universities in INDIA as there are no "Department of Religious Studies" (known to me)in any university.
So,we do not have Scholars/Professors to carry forward the knowledge of Hinduism in foreign Universities.
I am glad one Professor Ramadass Lamba is one of the very few Professors of Hindu
Religion in American Universities.So far he has taught more than 10,000 students
about Hindu Religion and all his students are deeply interested in Hindu Religion.
According to Professor Lamba,Hindu Religion is the only religion which encourages the followers to think and seek any type of clarification as the starter of this thread has raised various doubts and keenly waiting for suitable clarification from members of this Forum.

 

[C RAVI]

Sri.B.Krishnamurthy,

Thank you very much for your reply...

I am sure, IMO, that Hinduism will ever be sustaining and will ever be glorified. My doubt is not only the possibilities of prevailing joy of learning and reading Veda to continue in future generation. For this, your reply is positive and satisfactory for me.

But can we expect Vedic community to co-exist? Considering the life style advancements/preferences of a community, matching with the future, more progressive/scientific/modern world.

 

[C RAVI]

According to Professor Lamba,Hindu Religion is the only religion which encourages the followers to think and seek any type of clarification as the starter of this thread has raised various doubts and keenly waiting for suitable clarification from members of this Forum.

Sri B.Krishnamurthy,


I would honor Professor Lamba's contribution and I am proud of him..

Just as a point to ponder on - "Hindu Religion is the only religion which encourages the followers to think and seek any type of clarification as the starter of this thread has raised various doubts and keenly waiting for suitable clarification from members of this Forum. "

Though Hinduism encourages the followers to think and seek any type of clarification, my doubt is, how far we could succeed in projecting the positive validity of certain answeres to queries (when we tend to ask scientific justifications) and convince the questioner? In today's world many wants to be convinced by scientific authentications and a mare reference to scriptures are considered not justifiable for the present world.

For example, the thread initiator, after couple of her posts, asked a simple question, as whether a NB can be considered B by way of marriage? For this, like many, I too posted my comments and asked her some questions to answer, to know what exactly she got in her mind and what she wants to present before us.

Some extracts from my post -
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In today's world, a brahmin is considered brahmin only by his/her birth. A man or woman born for a Brahmin Father are called Brahmins.

1. What can be achieved by considering a NB as B?
2. Are NB's in dire need of calling themselves as B's?
3. Do Nb guys wish themselves to be considered Brahmin by marrying a B girl?

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She neither seem to have been convinced by the answers of any of our members nor seem to answer/ cross question to the replies, specifically.

Like this, there are 1000’s outside of this cyber world, who either don’t bother to check and ask to clarify or would not be convinced by the answerers. Or would just do what one likes to do, though been answered (considering the answers as not reasonable/practical/sensible), IMO.

When a person can not understand that now a day's Cast Brahmin is nothing but a belief/tradition/culture/value systems that, people belonging to this (being born and brought up) are willing to follow as a charm of their living, as possible and look for a similar life partner (other than love), how can we expect future generation to value our Vedas/shastras?

Future generation may just carry on with their life as Hindu, being born to Hindu parents, but would not value vedic scriptures/shastras, IMO.

 

[subbudu1]

Subbudu sir, obviously, this must a love marriage. The boy and girl surely knew each other, enough to fall in love and then get married.

The cases we are talking about here are all arranged marriages. The girl has no idea what sort of a man this gurukkal will turn out to be, all she has is the image of temple priest and his family. Even if these girls are given the freedom to dress as they wish, how about the husbands? They may wish to go out in a two-wheeler their husbands dressed up smart and modern, go see a movie and have dinner in a restaurant.

These are ordinary expectations of any young girl. IMO, she must not be made to take a gamble with her life because her father wants to prove he is not a hypocrite.

Cheers

I fully agree dead Nara and the answer is in my posts- that the TB really does not believe in the superiority of vedic lifestyle. Is it not true that your post indicates the same thing in your own words?

The TB thinks that he loves vedic lifestyle. The orthodox iyengar of today who has no problem living and adjusting with the iyengar of another subsect will find himself out of place in the world 400 years ago. He cannot have modern comforts and he would be among people quarelling over some philosophical arguments withIN vaishnavism.

The Iyer of today would have to contend with a socially divided smartha clan of half a dozen subsects who cannot see eye to eye- each having stories of their own superiority. On top of that, the gurukals may not even have been allowed in the vicinity of smartha homes.

The jhansi bai type women who rise up to defense of hinduism which we see here and else where they would have had to contend with a life as second wives or wives of men older to them by 15-20 tyears. If they had been born in rajputana they might have had to be shared between brothers. the perfectionist vedic society- was it really there? Dhruva's father Uttanapada according to SB lived during another Manu's reign. He was ths husband of two wives- how many million years or earlier I believe according to vedic timescale? Are there any jhansi rani here who would like such a fate?

This is the fact isnt it Nara, while the modern TB would talk pages and pages about vedic glory they just cannot live in a society based on vedic living.

In a vedic semiruban context people have to contend with the food and means available in their own vicinity. In such a country even vegetarianism cannot really be an option, as there would not be any source for a balanced diet. The veggie orthodox brahmin( I am vegetarian btw ) would have to start vomitting seeing the blood infested food people probably consumed. After all Valmiki Ramayana is explicit about meat consumption among brahmins and kshatriyas.

We would have been seeing the typical forest or semi urban-rural life and the huts would be full of flies and insects and snakes. The modern B would run scared.

This is the fact, the modern hindus and Bs have been led to believe a romantised version of Hindu past. There were a lot of good things. A society with meat ridden habits is not something that should be detested. But there were a lot of awful things that happened and no modern woman or man would like to live in such a country and place.

The same thing is happening now. Our modern Tbs cannot adjust and marry with the vaidikas.

Let me tell you the reasons( these may be just perceptions of our women but these are true and cross the mind of the girl if she has to consider marriage with a vaidika)
1. There would not be guaranteed life of comforts
2. The vaidikas look too unsophisticated for this age, while they could be respected from a distance, that is not good enough for marriage. Lack of western education prevents them from having an enlightened view of life and modern values. Many will disagree with me but that is a reason that crosses the girl's mind
3. Western education is seen as intellectually challenging and the degree that one attains brings a certain respect. The vedic education is not seen as intellectually challenging at best seen as a subject that can be mastered by rote and memorization

End result-Our vaidikas are not seen as a sufficiently good match for our girls. True or not varies from case to case, but even the orthodox but modern lifestyle TB has the same perception and cannot really adjust to a vedic style living.

 

[renuka]

Dear Ravi,

Dont you think that Hinduism finally doesnt even need us to have any sort of bodily identification or even any caste identification.So I guess no one needs to be even classified as a Brahmin or Non Brahmin.

We can just consider ourselves practitioners of Sanathana Dharma and that should suffice just like how Lord Buddha preached Sanatana Dharma in a pure and simple form(But many disagree that He preached Sanathana Dharma and labelled Him a Nastika as in not accepting the authority of the Vedas even though He was preaching Jnaana Yoga)

So Ravi ,I feel classifying anyone as Brahmin or Non Brahmin has actually no significance in spiritual upliftment.

Coming to you query about scientific evidence, a true person of science actually has an open mind and he or she is actually seeking answers to trace the pathway of the Vedic truth.
All those we see these days who claim to seek scientific evidence for anything Vedic mostly have hidden agendas or just trying to deny truth thinking that will propel them to a higher status in society.

Dr APJ Abdul Kalam is a very good example of a truly learned scientist.

 

[happyhindu]

Hello Happyhindu:

Here is a Reference that may be useful to you:

Genetic Evidence On the Origins of Indian Caste Population. Bamshad et al. Genomic Research 11 (6): 994-1004. You may get the article via (Ref 91) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caste_system_in_India

The short conclusion of the authors:

1. Maternal mtDNA analysis shows that 80% of Indian population is genetically closer to proto-Asians, the rest to West Eurasians (I believe the Central Asians)
2. Paternal Y chromosome genetic analysis reveals that higher caste people have closer resemblance to West Eurasians.
3. Bipaternally inherited Alu-element analysis shows that higher caste people have more affinity towards West Eurosians.

Cheers.

Shri Yamaka,

There are also counter studies wrt the points you have made. One is the presence of R1a in tribals. Seriously i wonder why at all R1a was constructed as 'aryan' by some folks. I still don't understand that, and hope someone from the field like yourself can explain that.

Then you have the presence of G2a in valluvars, parayars, which is supposedly of iranian / caucasian origin -- but then one guy (g2a) looks pitch black, stout, stubby nose...so far off from a caucasian. How did that happen? Looks can be misleading isn't it.

Among two tambrams of haplogroup L, one looks looks wheatish (not fair) with sharp features, thin lips, while the other one is very fair with a wide snubby flattish nose, thick lips. What am saying is that wheatish and fair is something you wud not associate with L, wud you?

So am really confounded with the idea of using melanin content as a biological marker for caste studies in present times.

And then what if the Yajur was composed in India (Kuru heartland), while Rig was composed in Afghanistan-Pakistan, and Atharva in Iran ?? Who then wud be the dasyus / asuras against whom the devas fought in those regions?

Am sure you must be aware that vedic deities have cognates in sumerian, greek, and persian deities. How did that happen?

What if the vedas were merely brought in by travellers, and wandering nomads (people, especially merchants, have been travelling from Germany to China via northern India for ages) ?

There is also evidence that primitive ritualism of the vedas was developed into mega elaborate homams in the period when the brahmanas (texts) were composed. Like borrowing a camera, a few machines, the dialogs, and creating one's own mega-sized movie (to be played exactly whenever required).

Imagine days with no movies, fashion labels, etc. The only thing man cud imitate as a "trend" was culture. The brahmanas of the Yajur are said to be the oldest. Rig created its brahmanas later. And supposedly not all shakhas created their own brahmana. Sure competition may have existed amongst various vedic groups and so also fights. So which one in this fight turns out to be aryan and which one dravidian?

Surely we can discuss all this on the aryan invasion thread. Or if you so wish on this thread itself.

Regards.

 

[subbudu1]

What will be the plight of Vedic/priests community in coming days? Gradually in due course of time, there would not even be a single unmarried priest with a possibility of getting married, IMO. If such a scenario prevails, how can we expect Vedic/priests community to exist for future generation? And how can we expect Vedams to prevail in our Hindu Society?

Ravi the modern B have a false sense of superiority because they consider themselves as a brahmin. Upanayanam to marriage to tarpanam to shraddham there is not a single ritual that they can perform without the help of a vaidika.
One cannot even bear to hear the vedic chanting of semi learned Bs. Without proper chanting and just by reading books one knows one cannot be a brahmin.

But it is essential to perform all this to be a brahmin as per their own definition. This is the ultimate irony that the vaidikas are isolated due to the superiority complex of others but the vaidikas are needed to also sustain one's notions of being a brahmin.

Hindu society for too long have used other sections of its own society to fuel the superiority complex. There is therefore no dignity of labour in India. In the western society a car mechanic is not seen as an inferior person to a church minister or to a firm's head. The car mechanic can lead a proud life and find a partner of his liking. In India the dignity of labour concept does not exist and one by one professions have been made to look upon as bad and ugly. One can say this is a manifestation of caste system. Some would argue this is a modern evil. Whatever it is , the lack of respect for professions has turned upon the vaidikas themselves. Today they cant find a partner easily

One can pity them but it is true that eventually the vaidikas will take to modern professions as is being facilitated by many of the mutts. Who will then do the upanayanam to fulfil the TB's ego of being a brahmin?

 

[happyhindu]

Dear Yamaka,

I am sure you can read this and kindly answer me.

هل تتكلم اللغة العربية؟

I dunno if Yamaka can read this. But i can, using translit software. I also read the Bible. For possible clues about people, cultures and migrations.

Sometimes i can become "faithful" with the Quran as well as the Bible. Even to this day. Because some thots are so beautifully expressed, that it makes me dwell for a few minutes with those words.

Its the same case, the same feelings, with parts of the Bhagavad Gita, portions of the Vedas (my alltime favorite is the nasadiya sukta), etc.

I suppose that wud make me a hindu, muslim, christian, buddhist, jain, sikh, and whatever you please. I prefer to be called a "universal humanist".

Renu, isn't it an irony that all religious books can make you immersed in its wonderful poetry, surreal thots, and yet parts of it can be so cruel ? Apparently the beauty and the beast co-exist together in such books.

I suppose all sorts of words lie peacefully together in such books, while we are the ones who "imagine" we are at peace, and yet glorify our own and look down upon other's faith (faith is like that)...

 

[happyhindu]

I'm sorry, this was a complete waste of time. Apart from having my text deconstructed by dozens of people, nothing productive happened. Sorry for posting such a 'terrible' and 'vague' post(feel free to add more epithets).
Advice to read older posts was unnecessary, I did that before writing this.

Meghavarshini,

Am taken aback. After generating all the heat and interest, you want to back off? Atleast can you please answer questions raised by me and Ravi?

I suppose you are a B and want to marry a NB guy...But you want to convert him to a B, and then marry him? Atleast from your posts it appears to be so. Atleast can you tell us did you get your answers here?

 

[C RAVI]

The same thing is happening now. Our modern Tbs cannot adjust and marry with the vaidikas.

Let me tell you the reasons( these may be just perceptions of our women but these are true and cross the mind of the girl if she has to consider marriage with a vaidika)
1. There would not be guaranteed life of comforts
2. The vaidikas look too unsophisticated for this age, while they could be respected from a distance, that is not good enough for marriage. Lack of western education prevents them from having an enlightened view of life and modern values. Many will disagree with me but that is a reason that crosses the girl's mind
3. Western education is seen as intellectually challenging and the degree that one attains brings a certain respect. The vedic education is not seen as intellectually challenging at best seen as a subject that can be mastered by rote and memorization

End result-Our vaidikas are not seen as a sufficiently good match for our girls. True or not varies from case to case, but even the orthodox but modern lifestyle TB has the same perception and cannot really adjust to a vedic style living.

Sri Subbudu1,

I share the same views as yours in terms of non vaidika girls not willing our vaidikas to marry.

What about girls from vaidiki family who have gained higher professional education? Do they accept their own vaidiki guys?

AFAIK, many girls from vaidiki families, after having qualified with professional degrees, choose to marry a non vaidiki professional. Hardly very few are marrying a vaidiki guy though the girls are professionaly educated in other streams.

- Here I am not blaming them. Just highlighting the happenings as per basic human tendencies, that looks for better prospects.

If the trend continues like this, what will be the plight of vaidiki community boys?

-Here I am not saying that girls from vaidiki family should have the moral responsibilities and respect towards her own community people and stick to them. I am not at all suggesting such ideas. In fact , I have no right to suggest as how one should choose to live his/her life.

My point is, how fair it would be to expect vaidiki community to exist ever? What responsibilities can we practically hold for the vaidiki community to sustain and prosper, if we expect them to exist?

Having found many unmarried vaidiki guys, how other vaidiki guys can dare to stick to their profession?

Poverty seem to be the only reason that would force them to be a vaidiki to survive some how.


It's really heartbreaking to me to realize the pathetic condition of vaidiki guys. Not only they got thumbs down from non vaidiki girls but also from their own community.

As I have stated in my previous post, many issues in society seem to be absolutely bleak to resolve. We only got to be sympathetic to them, who all are at receiving end, IMO. I have no clue to think of any thing good for the community, considering the validity of rest of the others.

 

[renuka]

Dear Happy Hindu,

You wrote:

Renu, Forgive me for saying this but i think you need to read more about the history of buddhism when you say Buddha preached sanatana dharma (i too used to think so earlier but not now)....we do ourselves a disservice by shooting blank statements and preaching a lot..

Ok I will read more as you suggested but I feel I understood what I read so far about Buddha Avatar but nevertheless I will take your advice and read more.
Who is shooting blank statements and preaching here? No idea yaar...


Happy Hindu dear, you also wrote this:

Renu, please, what is the pathway of the vedic truth? What is the "truth"?

Well I could see that you are a true Universal Soldier.Good so since you wanted to know definition of Truth why dont we start off from the Bible;

John 14:4-6 Jesus said : "I am the way and the truth and the life"