Define a Brahmin please!!

[renuka]

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Dear Renuka,

Kindly excuse me for butting in your conversation with Sri Yamaka.

Just want to clarify some of my doubts with you. Hope you will take interest and reply me. Your reply may help me to be relieved from my serious concerns.

AFAIK, people are finding no time to spare for many of their personal / domestic commitments in this fast moving/hectic world. However efforts one takes to update himself/herself with current affairs/politics etc amidst hectic work schedule, majority of the people found to be not so well informed.

AFAIK, in ground reality there are 1000's of Brahmin families and all Non Brahmins who perform many rituals/pooja with the help of priests. I doubt, Brahmins/NB's would learn vedam/vedic pooja systems and perform on their own.

Hardly few people who are into own business/professional practices may have interest in vedam and learn for their own pleasure and satisfaction, as a matter of their hobby and interest. But I doubt, such interested and learning person would do/capable to do something constructively in the society for sustaining and glorifying Vedams.

IMO, in India, if we still have value for Vedam, it's all due to major contribution by vedici people/priests. Off course many of us who use their services for many rituals/poojas and occasion in our life, are some how contributing in sustaining vedams/shastrams out of our belief.

My only concern is, vedic people are not in tune with the modern life style. They can't be as a matter of fact and are used only for solemnizing occasions in our day to day life.

What will be the plight of Vedic/priests community in coming days? Gradually in due course of time, there would not even be a single unmarried priest with a possibility of getting married, IMO. If such a scenario prevails, how can we expect Vedic/priests community to exist for future generation? And how can we expect Vedams to prevail in our Hindu Society?

Dear Ravi, Sorry I had to re post what I wrote earlier cos I was unable to edit the spelling mistakes and the edit function is not working for that post.God knows why.I will be deleting the earlier one.So since you had clicked Liked to that you can do so here too..hehehehehe


Dear Ravi,

You have brought up relevant points but Hinduism is not only about Karma Yoga as in rites and rituals only.
What is stopping anyone from learning a few simple rites and rituals to start with.
If we can find time to see TV or even come online why not set aside sometime to learn some basic Hinduism a day.
Even an hour a day will suffice.
For a start let me share what I do on daily basis.I set aside sometime a day and when I am free in between seeing patients I do Sanskrit grammar and before going to bed I read some religous text daily without fail.
Thats my commitment to Hinduism.Its doesnt take much time.

Elaborate rituals I leave it up to the individual to decide if they want to do it or not.
Lord Buddha didnt do any Yagna and yet He preached Jnaana.
Many a times we mistake Hinduism as being only rites and rituals.
May be since most of us have not much idea about detail rites and rituals Hindu based organizations can come up with a step by step simple guideline handbook about day to day rites and rituals.From there may be it might help those who are interested to pursue it seriously.

After all if all of us went to universities and gained degrees dont tell me none of us can study simple rites and rituals.
I have a friend a Marathi Brahmin who does simple agnihotra in his home from time to time.He is a full time script writer in the film industry but still makes the attempt to preform his duties before he goes to work.

You have a point that many lack interest mainly due to the fact that they dont know Sanskrit.So the only way is in India at least let children study Sanskrit at 1st standard itself in a neutral text that is study Sanskrit as a language and not linking it directly to religion too early.

I have seen many Brahmin priest out here who recite mantras without knowing the meaning.Is that what we really want? I am sure we want a priest who knows what he is reciting.
There is a Northern Indian temple out here in Malayisa which has a priest who is from India an MA in Sanskrit.So here we can be sure that he knows what he is reciting.

When I attended World Sanskrit Fair in Banglaore this year in Jan 2011,I couldnt help notice that many of those really well versed in Sanskrit and who still lead a Vedic lifestyle seemed shy to public and couldnt converse well in English.
I guess may be that the fault with society.Cos we always judge and individual from outward appearance.
How many people will feel 100% confident with a priest who is modern and looks like any other IT grad?
Most people still want their priest to look as traditional as possible.
Imagine a priest coming for pooja with a lap top to key in data and using it to refer to any astrological info.How many of us will feel comfortable?

So where does the problem lie in the Vedic types or society that doesnt allow them to be modern?

If in the future we have shortage of priests we have no choice and we can rope in help from our scientist friends and clone priest.

Last but not least..Vedas doesnt need us to sustain It.We need Vedas to sustain ourselves.

 

[Nara]

....هل تتكلم اللغة العربية؟

Renu, is there any particular reason you are asking this question? Is there a hidden message you are trying to send?

BTW, do you speak Aramaic?

Cheers!

 

[C RAVI]

Dear Renuka,

Done clicking "Like" to your re post...


Thank you to have spared your time and energy, replying to me.

IMO, the charm of Hinduism and its practices/culture/tradition etc..etc are based upon the vedic believes and values.

The vaidiki community in our society is playing a major role in upholding your enthusiasm and supporting temples in day to day basis.

Can we expect the beauty of Hindu rituals/customs/traditions to be much fascinated with the absence of Vaidiki community? IMO, we can't.

As an individual we may wish to spare our time and learn Sanskrit/Vedams/Puranams etc..etc., no doubt in it.

But what can we feel in temples, how can we feel the charm of festivity, kumbabishekam, paaraayanams, homams etc etc.., without the existence of priest/vaidiki community?

IMO, some of these celebrations with vedic chanting, with some systematic vedic styles of performing Aaradhanas etc..etc adds to the value and glory to Hinduism, IMO.

 

[talwan]

Brahmin is one who seeks to reach Brahmam.As Dhwijen(second birth) he gets Brahmma updhasam.His Dharma becomes only to seek the Brahmam.
alwan

 

[renuka]

Renu, is there any particular reason you are asking this question? Is there a hidden message you are trying to send?

BTW, do you speak Aramaic?

Cheers!

Dear Nara anna,

No hidden messages dear anna.But the best part is by pasting some Arabic words to Yamaka,I can see many coming in to respond.Wonder who else will ask me too.

BTW Anna I am Swarnaaka types I will talk Nerukku Ner!!

 

[renuka]

Renu, i asked what is the truth and the pathway to the vedic truth. Since you preach so much of it and expect even "real" scientists to actually take to the "pathway of vedic truth", you might as well explain what it is (so that dumb-heads like me can checkout such a pathway). But look at your answer, a quote from bible. Instead of giving such a frivolous answer, which can come across are plain dumb, you might as well say "I don't know".

Dear HH,

You know you make me laugh.I was noticing that in your earlier posts you were trying to be polite but not for long.
So lets solve the problem dear, you yourself said you are dumb.So we will settle this in a polite way..You are dumb and I am dumber.

Adios Amigos!!

 

[subbudu1]

Sri Subbudu1,

I share the same views as yours in terms of non vaidika girls not willing our vaidikas to marry.

What about girls from vaidiki family who have gained higher professional education? Do they accept their own vaidiki guys?

AFAIK, many girls from vaidiki families, after having qualified with professional degrees, choose to marry a non vaidiki professional. Hardly very few are marrying a vaidiki guy though the girls are professional educated in other streams.

- Here I am not blaming them. Just highlighting the happenings as per basic human tendencies, that looks for better prospects.

If the trend continues like this, what will be the plight of vaidiki community boys?

-Here I am not saying that girls from vaidiki family should have the moral responsibilities and respect towards her own community people and stick to them. I am not at all suggesting such ideas. In fact , I have no right to suggest as how one should choose to live his/her life.

My point is, how fair it would be to expect vaidiki community to exist ever? What responsibilities can we practically hold for the vaidiki community to sustain and prosper, if we expect them to exist?

Having found many unmarried vaidiki guys, how other vaidiki guys can dare to stick to their profession?

Poverty seem to be the only reason that would force them to be a vaidiki to survive some how.


It's really heartbreaking to me to realize the pathetic condition of vaidiki guys. Not only they got thumbs down from non vaidiki girls but also from their own community.

As I have stated in my previous post, many issues in society seem to be absolutely bleak to resolve. We only got to be sympathetic to them, who all are at receiving end, IMO. I have no clue to think of any thing good for the community, considering the validity of rest of the others.

Ravi dont mistake me , some might consider it blunt. But by and large there is not much confidence or discipline or both among the modern TBS with regard to vedic tradition. Confidence does not mean shouting from roof tops about the glory of vedas or doing 20 minutes of prayers. I would respect a sceptical person who may question every little aspect of vedic tradition and investigates that practice. But making lot of noise on vedas and doing nothing about it is funny.

Not only they got thumbs down from non vaidiki girls but also from their own community

This is the reason I dont critiscize them as much as I critiscize the chameleons (modern and supposedly orthodox TB) amongst us.

But reason Ravi, is we Indians dont show dignity to labour. From servant to rickshaw wallah to shopkeeper to school teacher . we have kept some kind of grade in terms of respect. Frankly if a person can make enough to eat, have shelter and cover his essentialities, he has done quite well for himself. How many parents will like it if their son or even daughter wants to be a school teacher today. Such a nobel profession but just because it has payscale on the lower side it is looked down upon in India.

I know a Tb who has done well for himself in the army. Passed tough examinations which most TBs with their tummys cannot even clear. As a respected officer in the Indian army. and fighting for the country he should have got a bride. There is not a girl in our community to honour this very eligible boy.

You are right when you say that the vaidikas daughters themselves dont want to marry a vaidika. In these cases I am sure it is because they want to be rid of the bad luck ( in terms of money and respect) which they see bestowed upon them and their lot. But why should the onus be on their daughters alone? They are not supposedly from a different caste. Why should the modern orthodox TBs many of whose daughters have done nothing much for themselves professionally hesitate?

The answer is simple - they could either not convince their own children to be lovers of tradition or they themselves are thinking twice about the worthiness of vaidika occupations. In either case they have lost the right to speak on behalf of vedas or tradition because they just dont believe in its greatness. It is prescribing a medicine for others, what one is certain to avoid.

I think the situation of Vaidikas not able to find a bride sad . My own blood a few decades back got married to a rogue(not a vadika but from the typical chameleon type b families) and this lady remains breadwinner. On hindsight even a Vaidika if he was one who took care of her affectionately no matter his earning, would have been a far better choice than this rogue.

If there are girls who are unable to find a suitable boy among the modern Bs and are still particular about caste, finds a vaidika to her intellectual level, the parents can certainly consider if there is good compatibiliy between the two. I would not presume lack of compatibility even before a search is made. Some vaidikas I understand dont even look into horoscope match and go more by mana porutham so who knows?

Our girls give opportunity to other castes and to very different boys of their own castes. Sometimes even within the caste the marriage is between a foreign citizen or a boy of very different cultural orientation. So this is worth a try when good choice is otherwise unavailable - piece of my mind. Such a union may actually broaden the perspective of the vaidikas themselves - who knows?

 

[Nara]

....I am Swarnaaka types I will talk Nerukku Ner!!

Renu, you wrote this message in Arabic only to Y, not to anyone else. That made me wonder, why would you address such a question to Y. That is the reason for asking you whether you were trying to say something. I am still not clear, your response does not address my question. If you rather not say, that is fine with me.

Cheers!

 

[renuka]

Renu, you wrote this message in Arabic only to Y, not to anyone else. That made me wonder, why would you address such a question to Y. That is the reason for asking you whether you were trying to say something. I am still not clear, your response does not address my question. If you rather not say, that is fine with me.

Cheers!

Dear Anna,
Did you read the vadam and prativadam Yamaka and I had?
Its just a response to that.I dont know Hebrew otherwise I would have written in Hebrew.

Arabic I had studied a little when I was 7 years old for only 1 year so I have vague memory of a few words here and there and can still recognize the script at a very very slow pace.

No hidden messages I assure you.Dont tell me you dont know your sis by now??You my anna yaar!!!

 

[subbudu1]

Poverty seem to be the only reason that would force them to be a vaidiki to survive some how.

I know a vaidika who is regular performer in my family circles.
He has gone on record saying poverty I shall embrace but not leave my profession. Now I call that as professional commitment. He has churned out his kids from a veda pathashala and has stuck to his words. I am able to respect such people because there is deep commitment not chameleons and the wannabe brahmins. There is no such commitment among the wannabe. Then the wannabe should not feel sorry about loss of culture etc etc. Nothing short of absolute commitment is required. Otherwise you will be a Trisanku.
I am not here endorsing the excessive fanatism or overdrive among certain vaidikas.

 

[zebra16]

I have seen many Brahmin priest out here who recite mantras without knowing the meaning.Is that what we really want? I am sure we want a priest who knows what he is reciting.
There is a Northern Indian temple out here in Malayisa which has a priest who is from India an MA in Sanskrit.So here we can be sure that he knows what he is reciting.

Last but not least..Vedas doesnt need us to sustain It.We need Vedas to sustain ourselves.

Dr. Renukaji Greetings!

Keeping the spirit of the last line of your post, viz. "Vedas doesnt need us to sustain It.We need Vedas to sustain ourselves", I address this post limited to the part referred above.

Is it really essential to know the meaning of the mantra for it to be effective? Our rational mind induces us to believe so, but is it really required? If the meaning is essence, what about bija mantras and what about certain buddhist sects which want one to concentrate on the silence in mind between two mantras?

There is no point in burdening our expectations on the poorly paid purohit and make him feel still inadequate at his job.

Coming to the meaning of mantras, are not we still groping in the dark? We have had so many translations and interpretations and the same being inadequate, we have so many new researches going on in the topic of mantras and rituals and hopefully some day we will have the meaning and spirit in which the vedic people composed or heard the mantras. Right from the time of yaska, people have been wondering the real meaning of the mantras, but mantras have not lost their potency to the believers.

As you are from medical profession, I want to share my experience at a physician's consulting room. As I was waiting for my turn to meet the physican, the doctor's assistant (may be a compounder or chemist or so) was explaining the dosage etc. of certain pills prescribed to an old lady, advising her to take some pills twice a day, some three times a day on empty stomach etc. The lady was pestering the assistant with questions like what is the chemical composition of the pill, how it would cure her ailment etc. The assistant countered the old lady with the question - do you want to get well of your ailment or do you want to become a doctor?
Our efforts to understand the mantra are somewhat similar to the questions of the lady.

I am not that well read, but the following three books seem to suggest how mantras work:

(a) "Bringing the Gods to Mind: Mantra and
Ritual in Early Indian Sacrifice," University of California Press,
2005. - by Prof. Laurie Patton

(b) "How to enter a vedic mind" by Michael Witzel

(c)"White Fat Cow" by Bill Bodri

Regards,

narayan

 

[Nara]

....The answer is simple - they could either not convince their own children to be lovers of tradition or they themselves are thinking twice about the worthiness of vaidika occupations.

Subbudu sir, I think this is not an "either-or", it a case of "both". But this is understandable, I think.

We want our progeny to have a comfortable life and produce some grandchildren who will in turn successfully survive life's vicissitudes and successfully reproduce. Whether we realize this or not, this is the prime directive of life on earth, and elsewhere, if it exists elsewhere.

There are no easily observable indicators that would definitively predict future survival and reproductive success. Instead, all life forms have evolved their own observable surrogates for assessing this. The surrogates we humans use include modern education, well-paying job, family background, somewhat equal economic/social status, physical attractiveness, etc.

Among these surrogates is life style, one that conforms to the existing norm. To be an outlier could be a significant disadvantage. For better or worse, the perceived life style of a temple priest is an outlier for a middle-class family, which is probably seen as unattractive and hence the reluctance.

All this, IMO, make your following comment more compelling and undeniable.

In either case they have lost the right to speak on behalf of vedas or tradition because they just dont believe in its greatness. It is prescribing a medicine for others, what one is certain to avoid.

Cheers!

 

[Yamaka]

I'm sorry, this was a complete waste of time. Apart from having my text deconstructed by dozens of people, nothing productive happened. Sorry for posting such a 'terrible' and 'vague' post(feel free to add more epithets).
Advice to read older posts was unnecessary, I did that before writing this.

Hi Megh:

I understand your anger and frustration... but by now you have known the general make-up of this Forum participants:

1. A few are Traditionalists 2. Most are "Weekend Brahmin Wannabes" and 3. Reformists/Rationalists/Naturalists

If you are a Traditional person, I suggest you consider how the great C. Rajagopalacharya (the Patriarch of TBs for nearly 60 years in TN) defined Brahmins:

"Who reads Hindu Vedas and preach it in Temples as Priestly Scholars; if one can't read Vedas, then work for the Priestly Scholars around the Temples".

If you belong to the "Wannabe Group", you can define anyway you want - the field is wide open: they are all over the lot.. this is the largest Group, IMO, here in this Forum connected by Broadband internet.

If you belong to the Third Group, then you don't need to worry about any definition.. you already reached "Moksha", IMO.

If you don't like any of this, then change Religion, which is your basic Civil Right, no matter what the local law says.

The real question here is "Lady, What do you want?"

Cheers.

 

[Nara]

....
"Who reads Hindu Vedas and preach it in Temples as Priestly Scholars; if one can't read Vedas, then work for the Priestly Scholars around the Temples".

Dear Y, temple priests are rarely Vedic scholars, they become priests not because of their religious scholarship, but strictly based on hereditary rights.

If you belong to the Third Group, then you don't need to worry about any definition.. you already reached "Moksha", IMO.

This made me laugh -- LOL? Mosksham, yes, you said it, moksham translates to விடுதலை, and one can reach Group 3 only if he/she is free, free of superstitious religions, i.e. true விடுதலை, aka moksham.

The real question here is "Lady, What do you want?"

This is a $64K question. She makes a lot of righteous noise, never gives answers to questions asked of her, and wishes to have the cake and eat it too. She has to make her mind up, among the three choices you have offered, she has to choose one, can't have it all.

Cheers!

 

[renuka]

Yes Renu, it is comical. For all your talk of Nerukku Ner, all you do is cover up your ignorance, by offering an irrelevant answer. By cirumventing the topic when a stright-forward question is asked, you are merely insulting the questioner. Such people should not be talking of politeness. Come to think of it, your answer was actually stupid, because of its irrelevance to the topic. Dumber is an under-statement.

Dear Happy Hindu,

You know I took you advise yesterday and read about Lord Buddha and I came across this one incident where a man was insulting Lord Buddha with words and Lord Buddha chose to ignore him and when the man asked Lord Buddha why he wasnt getting angry.Lord Buddha replied that "when you dont accept the insults its return to sender"

So dear Happy Hindu thank you very much for giving me the opportunity to be able to put this in practice.

renu

 

[renuka]

Dr. Renukaji Greetings!

Keeping the spirit of the last line of your post, viz. "Vedas doesnt need us to sustain It.We need Vedas to sustain ourselves", I address this post limited to the part referred above.

Is it really essential to know the meaning of the mantra for it to be effective? Our rational mind induces us to believe so, but is it really required? If the meaning is essence, what about bija mantras and what about certain buddhist sects which want one to concentrate on the silence in mind between two mantras?

There is no point in burdening our expectations on the poorly paid purohit and make him feel still inadequate at his job.

Coming to the meaning of mantras, are not we still groping in the dark? We have had so many translations and interpretations and the same being inadequate, we have so many new researches going on in the topic of mantras and rituals and hopefully some day we will have the meaning and spirit in which the vedic people composed or heard the mantras. Right from the time of yaska, people have been wondering the real meaning of the mantras, but mantras have not lost their potency to the believers.

As you are from medical profession, I want to share my experience at a physician's consulting room. As I was waiting for my turn to meet the physican, the doctor's assistant (may be a compounder or chemist or so) was explaining the dosage etc. of certain pills prescribed to an old lady, advising her to take some pills twice a day, some three times a day on empty stomach etc. The lady was pestering the assistant with questions like what is the chemical composition of the pill, how it would cure her ailment etc. The assistant countered the old lady with the question - do you want to get well of your ailment or do you want to become a doctor?
Our efforts to understand the mantra are somewhat similar to the questions of the lady.

I am not that well read, but the following three books seem to suggest how mantras work:

(a) "Bringing the Gods to Mind: Mantra and
Ritual in Early Indian Sacrifice," University of California Press,
2005. - by Prof. Laurie Patton

(b) "How to enter a vedic mind" by Michael Witzel

(c)"White Fat Cow" by Bill Bodri

Regards,

narayan

Dear Sir,

I feel its better if a priest knows the meaning of what he recites cos its his profession and he needs to take it seriously.
Dont we all study and understand our work?
A mantra might still be effective technically if the reciter doesnt know the meaning but how is one suppose to propagate religion(for a priest) if he has not much idea of what he does?

See regarding the patient incident you wrote,we get such patients all the time.
And we as doctors do educate them and make them understand with diagrams,visual aids and also handouts.The patient does not intend to be a doctor but they just want an explanation of what is going on.

I also feel there is no harm if we try to learn about some simple meanings from time to time becos I have seen many Hindus who dont really know basic meanings and when faced with Questions from those of other religions they just dont have an answer and many actually convert becos they feel when they were Hindus they never really understood anything.

So I guess it would be no harm if a priest starts off by understanding what he recites and then he can guide others according to their understanding capacity.

Thanks for those links you put.I will search them online and read them when time permits.
Thanks for your response,hoping for more such responses in the future.

Renu

 

[renuka]

Well, if people can claim they are dumber, wonder how they can compare themselves with Buddha or put his teachings into practice. If you were honest you wud had said "i don't know". You have no straight answers for straight questions, yet you preach Buddha. Sad for Buddha.

Dear Guruji Happy Hindu,

Thank you for pointing out my mistake.I am really dumb as you have noticed so what you really expect yaar?
So a Dumbo like me will only give such answers.
Cant you ever relax?
You are like all the Encounter Specialist we see in Tamil movies who shoots on sight who ever in their list and the blow off the smoke from their revolver tops.
You are really cute HH.
You could be the next Rajinikanth,Mind it!!!

 

[renuka]

Renu, you are taking this to the next level of insults. I cud also write a similar note to you starting with "Dear Dumbo Renu", and end it by asking you not to preach so much despite all your ignorance. But then i wud like to think there is a difference between you and me. I do not want to be dragged down to your level. Its actually my mistake that i asked you any question at all. Am sorry for that. You can have the last word. Goodbye.

Dear HH,

Thanks a lot dear,after a really long time you realized that someone didnt want to deal with you.

 

[tks]

Well, if people can claim they are dumber, wonder how they can compare themselves with Buddha or put his teachings into practice. If you were honest you wud had said "i don't know". You have no straight answers for straight questions, yet you preach Buddha. Sad for Buddha.

Smt Renu, Smt HH -

From your posts it is clear to me you both are well read- perhaps in non-intersecting areas.


Why not settle the differences of opinions openly via private messages and reach closure? This is just a suggestion and you are welcome to ignore it.

In reading this conversation in progress, I dont even know what the issue is anymore.

From my limited interaction I think Renu comes across as very authentic and a caring person to me.


Regards,





Regards

 

[renuka]

Smt Renu, Smt HH -

From your posts it is clear to me you both are well read- perhaps in non-intersecting areas.


Why not settle the differences of opinions openly via private messages and reach closure? This is just a suggestion and you are welcome to ignore it.

In reading this conversation in progress, I dont even know what the issue is anymore.

From my limited interaction I think Renu comes across as very authentic and a caring person to me.


Regards,





Regards

Dear TKS Ji,

Thanks for your suggestion but dont worry sir,HH and I might just differ in opinion and I dont feel she has anything personal with me and neither do I.
We are all one happy family in TB forum and differences of opinions are bound to happen in a family.

Thanks dear TKS for having good thoughts for both HH and me.

lots of love
renu

 

[tks]

Dear TKS Ji,

Thanks for your suggestion but dont worry sir,HH and I might just differ in opinion and I dont feel she has anything personal with me and neither do I.
We are all one happy family in TB forum and differences of opinions are bound to happen in a family.

Thanks dear TKS for having good thoughts for both HH and me.

lots of love
renu

Thanks Renu !

Hopefully you will get back to your "vadam and prativadam" which was fun - I could not help laughing seeing a post with Arabic

TKS

 

[renuka]

Dear TKS,


Insha Allah.إن شاء الله



when I get the time I will surely get back to it.


regards
renu

 

[Brahin]

Smt Renu, Smt HH -

From your posts it is clear to me you both are well read- perhaps in non-intersecting areas.


Why not settle the differences of opinions openly via private messages and reach closure? This is just a suggestion and you are welcome to ignore it.

In reading this conversation in progress, I dont even know what the issue is anymore.

From my limited interaction I think Renu comes across as very authentic and a caring person to me.


Regards,





Regards

Dear Tks,

Its nice to see a cat fight.

 

[renuka]

If you did not want to deal with me, you shd have said that yesterday itself. There was no necessity for you start off with a quote from the bible as "pathway of vedic truth". So much for your religiousity and honesty..

Anyways, this is about a pact...lets make a pact. I keep away from your posts and you keep away from mine. I mean, i was reading your yuga-cycle explanation (nonsensical to me) in the aryan invasion thread. I do not want such typically renu kind of posts when i am in conversation with yamaka. From my end, from now on, i shall not read your posts (meaning, when you are in conversation with others, you will not see me commenting on your posts as i did in this thread). So we both keep away from each other.

Bye and best wishes.

It used to be an unwritten rule that we never used to engage in debates with each other. In fact I never did yesterday, I was merely responding to Ravi's questions he had directed to me.
And also I have never mentioned anywhere in forum that I am religous and honest. You assumed it.I could be a hypocrite for all you know.

Anyway no problems, since we have made it official now.We will stick to our deal.Aye Aye Sir!!!

I hold no grudges againts you(this I am being honest if you believe me)

 

[tks]

I'm sorry, this was a complete waste of time. Apart from having my text deconstructed by dozens of people, nothing productive happened. Sorry for posting such a 'terrible' and 'vague' post(feel free to add more epithets).
Advice to read older posts was unnecessary, I did that before writing this.

Smt meghavarshini -

In order to effect changes along the lines you mentioned (e.g., temple rules permitting anyone men or women all the time if they are clean (hopefully they have taken a shower) I can think of two approaches. As you have discovered, forums such as this cannot provide any support.

1. You align with a group that is building a traditional temple if you happen to live outside India. Or you have to initiate the process to build a traditional temple and influence the board to make changes. Unless people see a traditional temple adopt policies that are more open it is impossible to make any changes. I doubt within India if this approach is easily workable

2. In Hindusim practices as you know we do not have anyone like a Pope !
However there is this Acharya Sabha that may be able to listen to your points. You may want to write them first. If there is a petition signed by many the topic may get discussed. I have no connection with this, all I know is what I saw at the website. Click here to reach their website

All the best!