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The fact is simple...if man were not supposed to cry God would not have given them tear glands.

Tell me what a woman has that a man does not have?
Ok hold on do not jump to the 10 points of what a man sees in a woman!!LOL

Every organ in the male has an analogous organ in the female and vice versa.

So guys if you want to cry..just cry!

C'mon Renuka, as a doctor you should know the answer to that riddle. A man does have organs which he cannot make use of, but a woman can. And I am not talking of tear glands!

Regarding what a woman has that a man does not: A man does not have the capacity to bear a child, both mentally and physically.

Even if all the men die off, the race of women will survive, provided they have preserved certain "extracts". The same cannot be said of men ...
 
C'mon Renuka, as a doctor you should know the answer to that riddle. A man does have organs which he cannot make use of, but a woman can. And I am not talking of tear glands!

Regarding what a woman has that a man does not: A man does not have the capacity to bear a child, both mentally and physically.

Even if all the men die off, the race of women will survive, provided they have preserved certain "extracts". The same cannot be said of men ...

Dear Biswa,

Do not worry even if all men were dead..women will eventually die too cos there would be no one to stop them from fighting with themselves!LOL

Hey BTW I have used to word analogous organs..meaning that it is comparable in certain aspects though sometimes from a different embryonic cellular source.
 
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Even if all the men die off, the race of women will survive, provided they have preserved certain "extracts". The same cannot be said of men...
If the ‘extract’ being preserved is the semen, be assured that even after all the men died off, nature will still produce as many new men as women (statistically speaking), unless the women resort to destroying the male fetuses!
 
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If the ‘extract’ being preserved is the semen, be assured that even after all the men died off, nature will still produce as many new men as women (statistically speaking), unless the women resort to destroying the male fetuses!

Cloning does not require a male.
 
Dear Renuka,

I am very frank about my nature in forum, I can be very caring and cry for even people I do not know but at the same time I can still draw a line where to stop without hurting anyone or myself.
I feel may be to a certain extent years of training as a doctor and seeing transient nature of life and death(I call death transient too cos what is dead will be born again too)..have made me realize that frankly speaking nothing is really in our hands..so just be loving without being too emotionally involved.
One thing I am glad is I can tune off my mind from anything.
I will just have to tell myself a loud No! and I will not think about it anymore.
Thank you for understanding.

Let me probe a little more to understand a little more. Your personality is quite interesting. I understand that you are deliberate with everything. What happens to the spontaneity? spontaneously shedding tears when singing "Kurai onrum Illai, marai moorthy kannaa" along with MS, spontaneously shouting Wah! when Jagatsingh sings "mujhe ithna pyar na karo-mein nashe mein hoon", crying spontaneously when you feel traumatized by the sudden loss of a near and dear one-one who has no replacement or no equal, the spontaneous happiness and contentment with which you express your glee when you enjoy your absolute freedom to throw up your leg carelessly not bothering to see whether any one is watching you when u r in your mothers house on a holiday (my wife says she has lost this privilege for ever after the death of her mother) and.......I can go on adding many such instances when things happen to you spontaneously. There is no scope for any deliberation at all. Do you miss them all? Or at least the "real them"? Or is it that the deliberateness is a carefully built kavacham or a facade behind which u carefully preserve a soft and extremely sensitive self?

You may choose not to answer these probing questions. It would still be alright. I would be 'spontaneously' happy if I get a reply.
 
Not really...these kind of people offer soothing words to others and comfort to others but just remain one step away from being emotionally entangled with anyone or any situation.

So far no one has complained living with me is gruesome.
When I was in college lots of my friends used to search for me when they had a problem cos they felt I was compassionate and understanding but deep down inside I always felt a bit aloof from everyone cos I could make out many were not sincere.

I remember once my late Mother In Law told my mum that "renu has no emotions and feelings..cos I can not understand how she can inject her own baby and feel no emotions for it..she can only be a doctor but not a mother"

You see Ravi...so perception differs.

My MIL felt that a mother should be emotional and not inject her own child where else I felt I will inject my baby cos I will do it gently for him so that he feels less pain.

Most of my female doctor friends can not inject their own kids even they have asked me "how on earth can you do this"

Once a doctor asked me to stitch his wife's injury cos he said he had no heart to inject and stitch her.

For me I had even stitched my husband facial cut once cos I told him I will do it well for you so that there will be no scar.

So basically a person who appears emotionally stable has intense love for others but just that they are able to keep themselves away from being carried away by sentiments.

Dear Renuka, you can understand others issues and their emotional suffering AND could guide them and sooth them Rather ridiculing them. So, it would not be gruesome to have you around any one.

 
Renuka Maam,

.......... Like Ms.Amala commented in this thread , i am also envious of a person like you.

Cheers!!


No No...Shri Manoharkumar!!!! Don't be envious of a person who don't shed tears being emotional...


Among many Men, I am one who would shed tears for many reasons as your have narrated. Happiness or Sorrow, achievement or loss, many are the emotions that one should be able to recognize, experience and express. There is nothing wrong or considered lacking in personality if one shed tears for reasonable eventualities.

Human's basic instincts and Humans's senses & expressions of senses have it's own value. The charm of living revolves around how honestly you express yourself (internally and externally) in all the ways and how you live your life naturally with your basic human instincts and human senses.


There is no pleasure in living life using our head alone and expressing things with our matured and rational brain alone. Life is wonderful and meaningful if we live with the feelings emerging in your heart and the subsequent expressions of your heart felt emotions through laughter and cry too.

Honest expressions of one's feelings with the God given aids is a bliss and not a curse (not talking about realized sanyaasi)
 
Dear Renuka,



Let me probe a little more to understand a little more. Your personality is quite interesting. I understand that you are deliberate with everything. What happens to the spontaneity? spontaneously shedding tears when singing "Kurai onrum Illai, marai moorthy kannaa" along with MS, spontaneously shouting Wah! when Jagatsingh sings "mujhe ithna pyar na karo-mein nashe mein hoon", crying spontaneously when you feel traumatized by the sudden loss of a near and dear one-one who has no replacement or no equal, the spontaneous happiness and contentment with which you express your glee when you enjoy your absolute freedom to throw up your leg carelessly not bothering to see whether any one is watching you when u r in your mothers house on a holiday (my wife says she has lost this privilege for ever after the death of her mother) and.......I can go on adding many such instances when things happen to you spontaneously. There is no scope for any deliberation at all. Do you miss them all? Or at least the "real them"? Or is it that the deliberateness is a carefully built kavacham or a facade behind which u carefully preserve a soft and extremely sensitive self?

You may choose not to answer these probing questions. It would still be alright. I would be 'spontaneously' happy if I get a reply.


Dear sir,

I will answer your questions.

In 1998..I was working in a remote area and my mother was staying with me cos I was still single that time.

One day went I went home for lunch I found her barely conscious and I took to the remote clinic I was working and did an ECG for her and found her heart racing beyond control and due to this there was no recordable Blood Pressure too.

At the back of my mind I knew I had to act fast and not give in to emotions and I told the nurse to bring the resuscitate set and to stand by cos I have a feeling I could lose my mother.

The nurse asked me if I could handle the case or call the other doctor to help out I said not to call the other doctor cos I knew the other doctor's way of seeing patients..he was a bit of a racist and would not really care for patients who are not his race.

So I rather handle my mum's case myself.
I did what I could and accompanied her in the ambulance and to the state hospital.
During the journey my mother vomited all over me and she was feeling bad for that.

I called my father who was in Kuala Lumpur and told him that I have admitted my mum in CCU at the state hospital.

I made sure she was stable and left cos the next day I had to attend the district level health campaign where a minister was coming for it.

I attended the launch and the state director asked how I was and I said I am feeling a bit tired cos I did not sleep much since my mother was in CCU and I rushed back for the launch since I was also in charge of it.

The state director asked me "how can your work and handle this when your mum is sick..how could you handle it?"

I told him 'I leave it to God to decide cos she is also stable now and I also had to attend and over see the launch and do my duty"

The state director told me to take leave right away and attend to my mother.

To be frank...I do cry when I see suffering.
I have cried when the Al Qaeda beheaded people and my husband told me that this is life and death and you can't change the fact.

But the same person(my husband) cried as a normal reaction when a near and dear one of his died...and then I asked him (once he was over with crying)..

Why do you cry now? I thought you said this is life and death and you can't change this fact.

He then admitted that he can only cry for those who are his blood.

So you see...I realized that attachment and blood ties makes one emotional.
We might not cry for anyone that means nothing to us.

I can cry but I will still be able to draw a line somewhere.

Ok here is another situation I have faced in life where I had to keep any emotional thoughts fully out of my mind.

During pregnancy a woman secretes colostrum from the breast which is normally clear to yellowish in color.
Colostrum production can start around 7 - 8 months during pregnancy.

I had red colored colostrum from the right side and my doctor suspected intraductal cancer cos he said red color must be blood.

I was 8 months pregnant and I hear a doctor telling me you could be having intraductal cancer and we can not do any mammogram till you deliver the child.

It was a big blow to me and I was thinking "I have to be stable cos the diagnosis is not confirmed and I should not let my emotions go hay wire cos unsteady emotions would affect the baby I was carrying"

My parents were really worried and so was my husband but I told them do not worry lets see the outcome.

So when I went back to my work place..I thought that the doctor assumes that red color is blood but what if it is just a variant.

So I did my own test..I took the sample of my own colostrum and checked it under the microscope and I found no blood in it.

I called up the doctor and told him that I did not find blood so I do not think it is Cancer.
The doctor said "but no human has red colostrum!"
I said "may be they do and we do not know or may be I am the first one to have red colostrum"

So you see by being emotionally stable I was able to disprove the cancer suspicion and not breakdown and cry thinking that I am going to die.


I hope I have answered your questions.
 
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Renuka டாக்டரம்மா,

Dear Raghy,

.......Tell me what a woman has that a man does not have?
Ok hold on do not jump to the 10 points of what a man sees in a woman!!LOL ....

I thought about it. Why not make the reply informative? It may be a bit boring; but would be very informative! Here is an article that outlines physiological, psychological, behavioural and social differences between men and women.

Some quotes
ome differences (such as reproductive organs) are congenital, while others obviously environmental (such as given names). Contrary to the beliefs of feminists or bisexuals, several studies have proven that there are expressed differences between males and females programmed within the DNA from the moment of conception.

1. Men are more physically aggressive.
2. Men masturbate more.
3. Women are less likely to successfully commit suicide, but more likely to attempt it.
4. Men have more positive attitudes about sex then women do.
5. Men are more prone to taking risks.
6. Women express their emotions more readily and experience a greater intensity of emotion.

More here - Difference between male and female structures (mental and physical) · Men's Health articles | Family's Health center | SteadyHealth.com

Male brain and female brain are not the same either - 9 Differences Between the Male and Female Brain | Brain Fitness for Life

7. Emotions: Since women tend to have a larger deep limbic system then men, they’re more in touch with their feelings and are better at expressing their emotions. This makes women better at connecting with others, but unfortunately also more prone to different types of depression.

Cheers!
 
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Renukaji,

You cannot be Hades or even the female equivalent of Hades

For all your compassion and help

I cannot put you in that goary pedestal

You know there used to be a quiz in Facebook before "Which Greek God are you?"

There are many questions the answer and final analysis will reveal the answer.

Many of my friends tried it and they got answers like Venus,Apollo etc and I got my answer as Hades!!LOL
 
Matching horoscope is not something on which you should totally depends. Your relationship's stability depends on the understanding b/w both of you. So, Just think about it.
 
Matching horoscope is not something on which you should totally depends. Your relationship's stability depends on the understanding b/w both of you. So, Just think about it.

Very true..if we fully depend on horoscope and not do anything to maintain a healthy relationship do not expect marriage to work out or be in a stable condition..it is just like a person who says that their horoscope predicts they have a long life and goes about driving recklessly on the road.

We need to be responsible for our actions and not try to irresponsible by placing all the burden on horoscope predictions.

To a certain extent if we depend too much on horoscope our brain systems shuts down a little cos we cease to think and go on blaming astrology,the astrologer but not ourselves.
 
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To be frank...I have seen lots of my fellow classmates from India just wanting to marry a US Mappilai.

It is like a status symbol just to let others know that "my daughter is marrying a US Mapillai"

Renukaji


In today's context Money , Status , Career Prospects etc etc dominate the decision making process of any marriage . If after the marriage either the bride or groom lose any one of the above ( i.e money , status , job etc ) then the marriage is in doldrums .

There are many from India who got trapped in the foreign Mapillai craze and suffering silently . A relative of mine did the same 30 years back marrying a Mapillai from Malaysia thinking that she can use it as a launching pad to go to USA but struck in Malaysia itself for the last 30 years or so and more over her husband is suffering from some Psychiatric disease that was sort of partly hidden at that time or she in a craze for overseas Mapillai did not focus on that and what was a minor Psycho illness at that time has become a Chronic one now and she is very much frustrated with her whole life and literally cursing herself now .

So when you enter in to a relationship/marriage based on some inner selfish motive then Life will teach you a solid lesson accordingly .
 
Very true..if we fully depend on horoscope and not do anything to maintain a healthy relationship do not expect marriage to work out or be in a stable condition..it is just like a person who says that their horoscope predicts they have a long life and goes about driving recklessly on the road.

We need to be responsible for our actions and not try to irresponsible by placing all the burden on horoscope predictions.

To a certain extent if we depend too much on horoscope our brain systems shuts down a little cos we cease to think and go on blaming astrology,the astrologer but not ourselves.

I doubt today how many Horoscopes are genuine . As stated in my previous post today's marriages are decided upon other qualifications ( beyond Horroscopes / inner qualities ) and people are willing to even manipulate their horoscope if they find a boy /girl who fulfill their wealth , status , career greeds .
 
Renukaji


In today's context Money , Status , Career Prospects etc etc dominate the decision making process of any marriage . If after the marriage either the bride or groom lose any one of the above ( i.e money , status , job etc ) then the marriage is in doldrums .

There are many from India who got trapped in the foreign Mapillai craze and suffering silently . A relative of mine did the same 30 years back marrying a Mapillai from Malaysia thinking that she can use it as a launching pad to go to USA but struck in Malaysia itself for the last 30 years or so and more over her husband is suffering from some Psychiatric disease that was sort of partly hidden at that time or she in a craze for overseas Mapillai did not focus on that and what was a minor Psycho illness at that time has become a Chronic one now and she is very much frustrated with her whole life and literally cursing herself now .

So when you enter in to a relationship/marriage based on some inner selfish motive then Life will teach you a solid lesson accordingly .

Dear sir,

I have noted the foreign mapillai craze..I really don't understand how some girls are willing to take such risks and go with an unknown person to a different country away from parents.

BTW no one can actually launch themselves to USA from Malaysia.
Malaysians do not usually migrate anywhere..if they do its always Australia or Canada or very rarely UK.

When we were in college some girls did not marry their other country based boyfriends cos of the fear "what if the marriage breaks down and citizenship is given up and parents are so far away"

At least if we marry a person from same country as us..even if the marriage breaks down at least parents are still there nearby and also when parents are near Mappillai also will behave better and not bully wife!LOL

Anyway anything in life can be a risk and so is marriage.
 
BTW no one can actually launch themselves to USA from Malaysia.
Malaysians do not usually migrate anywhere..if they do its always Australia or Canada or very rarely UK.
Renukaji
I was referring to a situation that was more than 30 years back .At that time America was the Craze and this concerned lady felt that since her husband's brother who went from Malaysia to USA before their marriage ,she could also do the same with her husband when she reaches Malaysia after marring him and she is ever struck in Malaysia since marriage and not only that she has to now take care of him fully as he has a psychiatric illness that has reached its peak .

Anyway anything in life can be a risk and so is marriage.

Sure ,if ur heart and intentions are good and healthy then definitely you can mix well with people of different culture who have your own taste and feelings . Of course when it comes to Marriage the situation is quite different from normal friendships/ relationships as Marriage involves 2 families plus other dynamics which not every couple takes in to account when they decide to Marry .I know of some good couples who married out of Good intentions based on mutual taste etc but later had to separate as they found other dynamics working when they married but which was not there during the courtship days and they decided that divorce was the best route to avoid further bitterness .
 
Matching horoscope is not something on which you should totally depends. Your relationship's stability depends on the understanding b/w both of you. So, Just think about it.


I have seen good friends for a long time, right from their school days, totally getting apart from each other for ever, due very minor misunderstanding.

Can humans ever could be into great/higher level understanding without compromises? How many are ready to compromise in their life considering the big picture, by being tolerant and adjustable with each other and still carrying the sense of love, respect and care towards each other? This is what people are lacking, comparing with the period of our parents and thus divorce situation is getting into its peak.


Even marriages with perfectly matching the horoscope are getting spoiled. Why?? Because people are spreading their wings wide with their sense of appreciation and socializing and getting close to many who may have his/her horoscope matching perfectly fine. They spread them selves so wider that they find the other option more appealing with much better benefits and privileges and start identifying what is lacking in what/whom they have with them.



 
I have seen good friends for a long time, right from their school days, totally getting apart from each other for ever, due very minor misunderstanding.

Can humans ever could be into great/higher level understanding without compromises? How many are ready to compromise in their life considering the big picture, by being tolerant and adjustable with each other and still carrying the sense of love, respect and care towards each other? This is what people are lacking, comparing with the period of our parents and thus divorce situation is getting into its peak.


Even marriages with perfectly matching the horoscope are getting spoiled. Why?? Because people are spreading their wings wide with their sense of appreciation and socializing and getting close to many who may have his/her horoscope matching perfectly fine. They spread them selves so wider that they find the other option more appealing with much better benefits and privileges and start identifying what is lacking in what/whom they have with them.



I agree with you Mr Ravi that compromise is the best solution in such cases. Unless both the
parties forget their misunderstanding and come forward for a rapproachement, the gap
keeps widening between the two. Divorce takes place after marriage between a girl and a boy
fails. In the case of arranged marriages where the marriage is consummated after
matching the horoscopes with all poruthams some times the marriage ends in divorce.
Therefore that the matching of horoscopes or intimately loving each other is not a guarantee for longstanding union. It is unity which is an essential ingredient between the two partners who
should look beyond today's sparks for an everlasting unification of the two.

PC RAMABADRAN

PC RAMABADRAN
 
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