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God Exists

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Shri ShivKC,

1) But the problem arises because even after waking up and seeing that the London Bridge is intact, you insist that all others should go by your dream truth and not the "reality" as they see.


2) In a similar way (in my humble opinion) people who doubt, question or deny the existence of God have always been few because such an act requires a lot of intellectual honesty and fearlessness to face the wrath of the believers.
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sangom sir, the answer to this kind was earlier responded by a good question by sh.TKS to sh.nara ( i think).. whats reality? people never bothered to respond or understand the depth of this question.

1) in reality as you, me and all the science know that the London bridge has not fallen down. we all agree, so lets nullify this argument. do science or anything can dis-prove that i experienced a clear cut colour-dream about london bridge? this the same analogy i'm taking about atheists stand of discounting intuition/experience of god. if you could prove that I never had such dream, logically/scientifically, then im with you in rejecting god.

2) if proving non-existence of god requires lot of intellectual effort and fearlessness, the same is the case with atheists also in their pursuit. no one is in a position to prove their stand. atheists havent acheived yet disproving god. in this context, my questions remain the same.

why atheism hasnt grown on par with the theism / growth of science?

lets take these 2 points and discuss, without getting distracted.
 
It was someone who claimed "this stock will fall". I merely reproduced it, and a stupid yahoo moderator assumed I made that original post that provoked many objections from the stock buyers. In fact, I was one of the stock buyers!

Hello Dr. Barani.

Are you into stocks and investment areas? I havent seen any postings about stocks or economics or finance in TB. Is that topic restricted in here (TB forum)? If it is not so, how about opening a thread or contributing to this thread, now that so much is talked about US debt crisis and loss of privileges of US dollars?

Regards,

narayan
 
OK..Let me start with a different perspective about the existence of GOD.

Is that possible for we humans to know the thing, knowing which every thing else would be known? And there would be nothing left as unknown.

Is that purely based on phases of human evoluation, that can make a human know of "every thing"? If yes, can we believe that after some 100s or 1000s of years, on this Earth of Human surival, humans would know every thing without having a single thing unknown?

Asuming GOD does not exists, can Atheists convincingly prove Theists that, all the holy spiritual mantras devoted to each form of Shakthi/Supreme power has no true relevency and strength to enhance practioner's intuitive/hollistic thinkings to get clarity, to ward off negativity on its own, to get answers within oneself and or from other strangers/nature, to get clarity and a way to proceed?

What is the source of those special vibrations in the form of Beeja Mantras, moola mantras, akshara sounds / vibes etc..etc.? Who created such special verses and for what and for whom? What was the basis of such existence?


 
Hello Dr. Barani.

Are you into stocks and investment areas? I havent seen any postings about stocks or economics or finance in TB. Is that topic restricted in here (TB forum)? If it is not so, how about opening a thread or contributing to this thread, now that so much is talked about US debt crisis and loss of privileges of US dollars?

Regards,

narayan

Will open a thread in the next 3-4 days. Right now trying to get one automated robot done that trades in derivative market. Hope to get it done in the next couple of days. Will get more time to analyze the markets and economics (I have my own pet theories there). Thanks.

As the saying goes "Money is religion and Dollar is God"... sooner or later Dollar will gain strength and get rid off atheists! :)
 
Dear Nachi,

I am adding what you have left out: This is a unique forum because it even allows its members to go on a shooting spree. The forum further allows the members to vent their anger when they find that all the ammunition that they have fired have gone waste. Further this is the only forum in which you are allowed to canvass membership for starting another forum. How large hearted is Mr. Praveen. God bless him-because He exists.

Cheers.
HI RAJU,
so nice words......GOD BLESS HIM.....BECAUSE HE EXISTS.....

REGARDS
TBS
 
hi
i smell 2 parallel lines goes through this forum.......we may call it left and right wing...may be consevative and liberals....we need

both .....but with LAKSHMAN REKHA.....something like middle path....its called democracy.....just example like USA debt ceiling....

both parties are not happy with the present bill....but the country is above the both parties....so some compromises are made

for the ppl/country...the bill is signed now.....likewise here also....the forum is above the atheists/theists....above

the left or right wing.....its called democracy...MEN MAY COME...MEN MAY GO...BUT THE FORUM CONTINUES......my 2 cents....

regards
tbs
 
arithmetic progression used in math major was an interesting subject for me. only because of math,my love for god grew exponentially.i kept searching untill my athma guru led me to my deha guru and finally to bhagavan.i can never forget easter sunday this year,because mahasamadhi for me attained super significance.gods existance is visible openly for people to envision,if they open their third eye of inner vision :)
 
arithmetic progression used in math major was an interesting subject for me. only because of math,my love for god grew exponentially.i kept searching untill my athma guru led me to my deha guru and finally to bhagavan.i can never forget easter sunday this year,because mahasamadhi for me attained super significance.gods existance is visible openly for people to envision,if they open their third eye of inner vision :)

Nachi I get what you mean.He gave us the chance to even visualize with our two eyes.

Since you mentioned Easter ..I will add this line..

Easter this year was like Amazing Grace the famous hymn that has a line that goes..Was Blind But Now I see..
 
To have the vision of the Lord before one's passing is the goal of human existence. God comes to us and blesses us with form. This is enough for me. I offer my salutations to lord.
 
renu i miss him a lot.


I do too really lots..Its going to be totally different this august when I am in Puttaparthi.
You know in January this year I had gone to Puttaparthi for a day trip and He didnt come for darshan but I still went back happy cos I knew He is all pervading or may be I took it for granted that He is still always there.But when my parents called from Malaysia asking me if He came for Darshan and when I said No..they were feeling bad for me and I told them its Ok..I dont feel bad there is a reason for every action of His.

Now I know..He was just preparing me for the day when I go to Puttaparthi and He wont be there in His Physical form as I told you before how can I forget my dream where He waved me goodbye and next I knew He had left His mortal coil.

I have no problems writing all these here for you to read and I know I stand the risk of being called delusional but for me God Exists so I have no issues saying what I feel.

Take care nachi..we can write more in the Sai Lives thread.

Love
renu
 
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HI RAJU,
so nice words......GOD BLESS HIM.....BECAUSE HE EXISTS.....

REGARDS
TBS

Dear Nachi,

The developments are so fast and strange I would like to add these lines also to your original Post:

This is the only forum in which:
1.A member is warned again and again before a temporary ban is effected on him.
2.This is the only forum in which a caucus of atheists are able to forcew the forum owner to climb down on his well considered action.
3. This is the only forum in which the members are allowed to be critical of the forum owner in spite of his climbdown-perhaps they want him to express regret for what he did in the last one week.
4. This is the only forum in which people use the middle finger mudra, talks about the virility of other members, and calls other members' words posted here as bovine feces and yet have the freedom to come and preach to others about civility.
5. This is the only forum which allows ganging up by a few to put down others, bring pressure on the promoter of the forum to retrace his just disciplinary action and then go further to say that the promoter is not trust worthy.

A strange place indeed. But I enjoy all this and I expect more of this here.

Finally a word to the promoter:
Dear Praveen. You do not have to do the explaining any more. Now it is the turn of the gang to explain its behavior here. Ask for the explanation please.Be firm in what you decide. If people gang up and bombard you with pms just ignore all that. You are doing a wonderful job. This forum will not close down because of a few members here leaving as they threaten. Let them go. It will be just good riddance and thank God for that. This site/forum existed before their coming and it will exist even after they go. God bless you.
 
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Will open a thread in the next 3-4 days. Right now trying to get one automated robot done that trades in derivative market. Hope to get it done in the next couple of days. Will get more time to analyze the markets and economics (I have my own pet theories there). Thanks.

As the saying goes "Money is religion and Dollar is God"... sooner or later Dollar will gain strength and get rid off atheists! :)

Dr. Barani,

That was a nice and fast one. Yeah, "In God we trust". Is it not so?
 
A threatened blow is seldom delivered.

No one is foolish enough to sit on the

tip of the branch and cut its base.

So back to square one and the traditional pose of

you know who ............ (Viswaamitra of course!)

Who else can it be???
 
is it us tambrahms who do all this nitpicking,the last six months i changed my opinion.to be content in life is by itself a grace.i truly know more than ever how god exists and is in everyone.there are so many names forms for god and people get so much mental peace.even though atheist are miniscule in number,i do not hate them at all.its a mental tuning gone awry,imho.the very fact they question gods existance is a baby step.whether they will realise this lifetime or many lifetimes later only gd knows.many think there is only one lifetime but for me beyond any reasonable doubt there is many lives which we take but dont remember any of them generally.by doing meditations you do get to know past life existance who you were and who you will become in future births if you do not attain moksham.
 
Folks, I am sure the reasonable members are as fed up as I am with this continuing saga of mocking and recrimination. I was planning not to post in this thread any more, but, an unchallenged lie, repeated often, tends to take on the appearance of truth. So, please bear with me just this one post. I shall restrict myself to setting the record straight and just one comment, but gloves are off.

....This is the only forum in which people use the middle finger mudra, talks about the virility of other members, and calls other members' words posted here as bovine feces and yet have the freedom to come and preach to others about civility.

The case of middle finger:
Here is what I said --

"Renu, I don't understand why you are not able to see Megh's POV. For her, she wants to be able to enter the temple on her own terms, not under false pretenses. She wants to give the middle finger to the man made rules and I support her 100%. Why should she care to enter a place where she is told she is unwelcome on certain days, the loss is not hers as far as I am concerned."

This is about Megh not wanting to enter a temple under false pretenses. Notice that I was not giving any finger to anybody, I only commented on what I thought was Megh's boldness and honestly. It was directed at no person, but only at man-made silly rules. I did not put anybody down, neither did I mock anyone.

Now look at the other middle-finger comment, including the smiley which is supposed somehow transform this nasty comment into a joke -- (to see the complete comment click here lest I am accused of not providing proper context!)

Bhagwat Gita says do your duty. The finger is supposed to do its duty.

As part of that duty, my middlefinger is shown to nonbelievers! :)


Here, as part of the discussion between Theists and non-believers, this man wrote the above. Those who try to draw a false equivalency between what I said and this are hypocrites.

Next, bovine feces -- this phrase by itself is not offensive, it is a euphemism for a more crude phrase, one that I see to my utter amazement so casually used in India. This man is trying to say the euphemism itself is offensive. He is entitled to his view, but I disagree.

Leaving that aside, he says I used this phrase to characterize other members' words. This is a lie, a bovine feces kind of lie.

Here is what I said here:

Folks, please do not take my word for it, please google "ad hominem" and see for yourself. How one was raised has no bearing on the validity or absurdity of what they say -- whether it is golden or just plain bovine feces must be determined by what is being said, not by how one was raised.


This was in the context of a demand to know how Yamaka was raised. As any reasonable person can see I did not say any member's words were bovine anything.

The next time I used the phrase was in this post and I said this:

You may consider my view is nothing but bovine feces, which is perfectly alright.


This was in response to Ravi. As anyone can see, I am talking about how my words may be viewed, not any other member's words.

I am still reeling with the fact Happy was reprimanded based on a few anonymous complaints, most likely from a single person carrying a vendetta, yet people like Raju who tell bold faced lies about me, happily go about posting.

Now, it is my turn to dig up some history and show what a hypocrite this Raju is. Many moons ago we were arguing about SV. I cited some verses from Dhivya Prabhandam, something the SVs venerate as the essence of all Vedas, and the commentaries of those verses by some early Acharyas -- these commentaries are also venerated as treatises that extracted the hidden meanings from the pithy but pregnant poems, and showed how blatantly the SVs including revered SV Acharyas are continuing to flout some of the important teachings of Azhvars and early Acharyas. This same Raju promised he will answer this charge, but yet to do so in a straight forward way. The smell of bovine feces is sweet fragrance compared to the smell of this hypocrisy.

Alright, I will stop here and put the gloves back on. It is not as though I cannot be harsh in my posts, just that we need to be able to get along even as we disagree. I don't like to put people in a spot, I don't like calling them hypocrites and such. I apologize having done it, but I hope you will agree that my hand was forced with this repeated pestering and peddling of lies.

One more reason for the harshness is a few weeks back this same Raju misquoted me to make me look bad. I gave him the benefit of doubt that it may have been unintended mistake and allowed him to correct the error.

Cheers!

p.s.
There are some really fine long-distance truck drivers in the U.S. Some years ago when my daughter met with a serious accident it was one of those truck-drivers who helped her and took her to a hospital. I am proud to be with those truck drivers than rank hypocrites.
 
dear members, i also join here with sh.praveen. lets not dig in to artifacts, please.

back to the topic.

in the absence of atheists, or their temporary hibernation, i am very much curious to find an answer to this. trust me, if atheism answers me convincingly, i would shift my stand within a second, and you will find me on the other side of the fence.

i have presented this case many a times to atheists, but havent got an answer. to an extend, sh.sangom brushed me aside, without reasons.. i wish he comes and explains this.

it was all about deliverance of justice to every human being. if every thing works under a law, like second law of thermodynamics, newtons law etc etc, and as the scientists claim, it should always be defined by law even if we are talking about milky way, why the law of human justice gets ignored by atheists?

who is going to give justice to the acts of debauchery, other than karma? do atheists have any better system to answer this riddle, i put it that way?. even,dawkins has not convincingly answered this.

i was expecting sh.nara to attempt this. he once crudely questioned one of our members, if he had read dawkins books. here i can say, i have read all his works, and was the first one to pick it up, when it hit the indian stands.

atheists are free to imagine a system (similar to celestial tea pot) of their own too, i would love to debate on that. but let it come from the mouth of atheists. what justice atheism can give for the one who took 6mn lives, but escaped even the international jury, through suicide?

this one of the important things, which makes me to stick to religion. lets see what atheists got to say, once they come out of the mourning period
 
<removed, plz stick to topic. no need to reply back and forth on the same old things>
 
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Folks, I am sure the reasonable members are as fed up as I am with this continuing saga of mocking and recrimination. I was planning not to post in this thread any more, but, an unchallenged lie, repeated often, tends to take on the appearance of truth. So, please bear with me just this one post. I shall restrict myself to setting the record straight and just one comment, but gloves are off.



The case of middle finger:
Here is what I said --

"Renu, I don't understand why you are not able to see Megh's POV. For her, she wants to be able to enter the temple on her own terms, not under false pretenses. She wants to give the middle finger to the man made rules and I support her 100%. Why should she care to enter a place where she is told she is unwelcome on certain days, the loss is not hers as far as I am concerned."

This is about Megh not wanting to enter a temple under false pretenses. Notice that I was not giving any finger to anybody, I only commented on what I thought was Megh's boldness and honestly. It was directed at no person, but only at man-made silly rules. I did not put anybody down, neither did I mock anyone.

Now look at the other middle-finger comment, including the smiley which is supposed somehow transform this nasty comment into a joke -- (to see the complete comment click here lest I am accused of not providing proper context!)

Bhagwat Gita says do your duty. The finger is supposed to do its duty.

As part of that duty, my middlefinger is shown to nonbelievers! :)


Here, as part of the discussion between Theists and non-believers, this man wrote the above. Those who try to draw a false equivalency between what I said and this are hypocrites.

Next, bovine feces -- this phrase by itself is not offensive, it is a euphemism for a more crude phrase, one that I see to my utter amazement so casually used in India. This man is trying to say the euphemism itself is offensive. He is entitled to his view, but I disagree.

Leaving that aside, he says I used this phrase to characterize other members' words. This is a lie, a bovine feces kind of lie.

Here is what I said here:

Folks, please do not take my word for it, please google "ad hominem" and see for yourself. How one was raised has no bearing on the validity or absurdity of what they say -- whether it is golden or just plain bovine feces must be determined by what is being said, not by how one was raised.


This was in the context of a demand to know how Yamaka was raised. As any reasonable person can see I did not say any member's words were bovine anything.

The next time I used the phrase was in this post and I said this:

You may consider my view is nothing but bovine feces, which is perfectly alright.


This was in response to Ravi. As anyone can see, I am talking about how my words may be viewed, not any other member's words.

I am still reeling with the fact Happy was reprimanded based on a few anonymous complaints, most likely from a single person carrying a vendetta, yet people like Raju who tell bold faced lies about me, happily go about posting.

Now, it is my turn to dig up some history and show what a hypocrite this Raju is. Many moons ago we were arguing about SV. I cited some verses from Dhivya Prabhandam, something the SVs venerate as the essence of all Vedas, and the commentaries of those verses by some early Acharyas -- these commentaries are also venerated as treatises that extracted the hidden meanings from the pithy but pregnant poems, and showed how blatantly the SVs including revered SV Acharyas are continuing to flout some of the important teachings of Azhvars and early Acharyas. This same Raju promised he will answer this charge, but yet to do so in a straight forward way. The smell of bovine feces is sweet fragrance compared to the smell of this hypocrisy.

Alright, I will stop here and put the gloves back on. It is not as though I cannot be harsh in my posts, just that we need to be able to get along even as we disagree. I don't like to put people in a spot, I don't like calling them hypocrites and such. I apologize having done it, but I hope you will agree that my hand was forced with this repeated pestering and peddling of lies.

One more reason for the harshness is a few weeks back this same Raju misquoted me to make me look bad. I gave him the benefit of doubt that it may have been unintended mistake and allowed him to correct the error.

Cheers!

p.s.
There are some really fine long-distance truck drivers in the U.S. Some years ago when my daughter met with a serious accident it was one of those truck-drivers who helped her and took her to a hospital. I am proud to be with those truck drivers than rank hypocrites.

Dear Nara it is good that you have done the explanation. I would request you not to pamper the posters who you think dont behave , by responding to them, unless there is a correction in behaviour. There are many in this forum who dont consider people like us as enemies. Please be selective in your postings for your own good. I would like to see how long they would go about discussing things peacefully amongst themselves if we dont participate and respond to every post by every jack in the box.
 
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