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mathru devoh bhava.hope mother gives nalla budhi for atheist

 

[renuka]

There are two types of Theists -

Type 1. Go around the temple/mosque/church, invoke the Ishta Deva all the time and live for "the next world" whenever that comes. No blather and no conflicts. A very Sadhu type.

Type 2. Keep Sword, Quick Guns & the like around their waist; whenever a Secular Thinker walks around the corner of the house, just whistle and pull the trigger. Laugh in glee and dance in trance!

Then go and do the Master Pooja & Bhajans in the name of the Almighty and recite the Adventure of the Day...include some exotic mantra written in Sanskrit!

Voila, declare "You Made My Day, Atheee"!

Yams,

Type 2 Theist only handles Type 2 Atheist!!
So it will be "encounter" vs "village party"

And for those of you who were wondering who is Quick Gun Murugan.
Take a look at this...

[video=youtube_share;jSoYuQVYyJw]http://youtu.be/jSoYuQVYyJw[/video]

 

[renuka]

dear yamka and renuka !
after reading the post of you it made me to repeat the word
extremism in any thing is dangerous. your freedom ends where my nose begins
cheers,
guruvayurappan

Cool dear..we are just having fun here..otherwise the thread will get boring too.

 

[renuka]

Okay, folks:

It's time to welcome Santa Claus... I am expecting some good "gifts" from him.. I left my chimney clean so that he can come to my place easily w/o dirtying his suit.

I hope you all get good gifts too...

Sharing gifts as a display of our love and affection is the Name of the Game at the time of X-mas...

Oh, forget about what happened at Bethlahem or the Journey of the Magi!

That's for others to worry about!

Happy Santa Day!

Cheers.

LOL!!! God doesnt exists for some but Santa Claus does!!!

 

[biswa]

LOL!!! God doesnt exists for some but Santa Claus does!!!

Santa Claus is real! For proof please read: Newseum - Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus

 

[Mayuram V.Sankaran]

Renuka,
You are right in your judgement. I cannot find the words to agree with you more.

 

[nannilam_balasubramanian]

Dear Bala:

If the Theists truly believe and act "Anbe Sivam", then the world will be a better place.

They say one thing, and do totally opposite of the "Anbe Sivam" is what brings the CONFLICT!

That's the problem here!

Cheers.

I too agree. Every body will say thief, thief and so on. When the thief
actually comes to the house of a person who actually watched and made passing scathing
remarks, his role and his stature will be entirely different when he faces the consequences.
Like that ... We have to play a via media to get those guys to our track without derailing.
That needs little shrewd experience and Chanakya play.

Balasubramanian
Ambattur

 

[guruvayurappan]

dear sangom !
i like your quote in post in#1724
Take care of your thoughts because they become words.
Take care of your words because they become actions.
Take care of your actions because they become habits.
Take care of your habits because they will form your character.
Take care of your character because they form your destiny,
and your Destiny will be your LIFE.
— The Dalai Lama
with regards,
guruvayuarppan

 

[guruvayurappan]

dear bala !
you are correct . bur instead of telling shrewd and chanakya ,the apt word will be samayojitham (act acording to situation ). we all know that no use of arguing with a fool /adamant. we should also have a mind set up to accept the positive points of other person
with regards,
guruvayuarappan

 

[nannilam_balasubramanian]

dear bala !
you are correct . bur instead of telling shrewd and chanakya ,the apt word will be samayojitham (act acording to situation ). we all know that no use of arguing with a fool /adamant. we should also have a mind set up to accept the positive points of other person
with regards,
guruvayuarappan

I agree with you. Antha samayathile samayojithama solla theriyale Thanks

Balasubramanian
Ambattur

 

[Nara]

.. we all know that no use of arguing with a fool /adamant.

Dear guruvayuarappan, since whom this is intended is not clear I get a feeling I am the fool/adamant not to be argued with. Since I get called out as an adamant fool often and people often say say குற்றமுள்ள etc., I am doubly sure I am the intended fool/adamant. Please clarify.

Cheers!

 

[guruvayurappan]

dear nara sir !
even in dream i never thought of you .or any member of this forum . you are very knowledgeable person and certainly not direct to you . you can express your view and it is not hurting . i am not expecting words like this from a veteran like you
namaskarams,
guruvyurappan(narayanan)

 

[Nara]

... even in dream i never thought of you .or any member of this forum . . i am not expecting words like this from a veteran like you ...

Dear narayanan, one Nara(yanan) to another, I am sorry to disappoint you, but in as much as your post was vague I couldn't help myself wonder that I must be the one. This is why I think we need to refrain from vague accusation, especially of the harsh kind "fool/adamant". I hope you agree.

Thanks ...

 

[Yamaka]

dear bala !
you are correct . bur instead of telling shrewd and chanakya ,the apt word will be samayojitham (act acording to situation ). we all know that no use of arguing with a fool /adamant. we should also have a mind set up to accept the positive points of other person
with regards,
guruvayuarappan

Dear Guru:

What happened to "Anbe Sivam" when you wrote like "arguing with a fool /adamant"?

Most Theists have no cloths!!!! They walk around hoping their nakedness will somehow be masked by their Gods! LOL.

The "non-existent" God just can't see this either! ROFL.

Take care..



ps. Folks, I will be gone for a few days...visiting my daughter in the neighboring town (San Anton) for the X-mas holidays! Happy holidays... forget about the Religion & Gods and be RATIONAL at least during holidays! Not HOLY Days!! Lol.

 

[suraju06]

Sangom in post #1711:

I read this only today and so I give my view here.

The basic question is why should Man be praying to that 'power' however potent and formidable it may be. If a man recognizes the existence of such a power, acknowledges its superiority and lives according to what his given intellect tells him to be the right path, where does the need for humility as a show-piece and [FONT=inherit !important][FONT=inherit !important]prayer[/FONT][/FONT] come in? Are these not devices invented and imposed on people's minds by the religions and priesthood?

There is no need to blame the priests and religions for what we do not understand. It is never claimed that a man's prayer enhances the power of God or that God gets some kind of a vicarious pleasure when a man surrenders himself to Him. It is rather what this prayer does to the man who prays is what is important. Ego is quite a tricky thing. In the first place, defining ego in the languages that we know is itself a big task. When you completely wipe out your ego our elders say, you get a unique experience which is beyond words. Saints called it வெட்ட வெளி in Tamil. The term approximately means just 'space'. They could come only that much near the truth perhaps. Those who live their life according to what their intellect tells them to be the right path after reaching the stage called வெட்ட வெளி are indeed called sages. For them humility is just the only way of life and not a show piece. For others who are still struggling with their ego it will look like a show piece, and even abject servitude because their ego presents it in that light.

It is also incorrect to jump to the conclusion that if someone does not pray to a god, is not showing his humility towards a god openly, etc., that person is by definition having high ego, is unbending, is trying to assert his 'powerless and helpless little ego self' to assert all the time, etc. This scenario fits in well with a tyrant of a god who will not brook anything other than abject or extreme servility; to me this what priesthood, godmen, acharyas, gurujis, etc., look to from their followers/devotees and that god, in case he exists, is innocent of all this mischief.

God is not a tyrant. If he were one, he would not have created you in the first place as a chethanam (sentient being). He could have created you as இட்டது இட்டவாறு கிடக்கும் அசேதனம். I do not have data to comment about the priesthood, godmen, gurujis etc who mischievously preach servitude to their followers. But I can say my experience with my Acharya. He always speaks truth as it exists. He leaves it to me to understand the truth after igniting the thinking process in me. Like Varuna said to Briku repeatedly "Tapasaa Brahma vijijnaasasva" (those who are not familiar with this, please refer to Briku valli in Thaithreeya Upanishad), he keeps encouraging to find it myself. In this endeavour there is nothing expected from me nor is anything given to me. In SV sampradaya we have what is called Mahaviswasam I think it is something similar to this.

Cheers.

 

[renuka]

Dear Yams,

You wrote:

Most Theists have no cloths!!!! They walk around hoping their nakedness will somehow be masked by their Gods! LOL.

The "non-existent" God just can't see this either! ROFL.

Hey Yams..so you must be the 1st creature who came to world in clothes??LOL

My dear....A theist is a hoping to be a Digambar(One who has directions for clothes).
What other clothes do we need when our very body is a garment that is discarded and a new one taken from Janam to Janam.


Anyway you have fun during your holidays..you know you just reminded all of us Theist to remember God again and again..You see when you tell someone to forget about religion and God you actually are reinforcing ones memory becos to forget we need to remember first.
I always believe you contemplate on God more than anyone of us..what I call the Sishupal Syndrome!!!

 

[nannilam_balasubramanian]

God Exists everywhere at all times with no difference between day and night.
Pray that God bless you and your family members generously all the best and
Wish you a fabulous, sparkling and a Very Prosperous New Year in advance,
as the year 2011 rolls down to an end.

I am sure God will give you cheerfully
12 months of Happiness
52 weeks of Pleasure and Good humour
365 days of Victory
8760 hours of Perfect sound health
52600 minutes of Best fortunes
3153600 seconds of Infinite faith in HIM.

Sai Ram

Balasubramanian
Ambattur

 

[guruvayurappan]

Dear Guru:

What happened to "Anbe Sivam" when you wrote like "arguing with a fool /adamant"?

Most Theists have no cloths!!!! They walk around hoping their nakedness will somehow be masked by their Gods! LOL.

The "non-existent" God just can't see this either! ROFL.

Take care..



ps. Folks, I will be gone for a few days...visiting my daughter in the neighboring town (San Anton) for the X-mas holidays! Happy holidays... forget about the Religion & Gods and be RATIONAL at least during holidays! Not HOLY Days!! Lol.

dear yamaka !
your post in respect of my reply to mr. bala is most irrelevant and mischievous too.true to his anbe sivam policy ,he has agreed that the word can be samayojitham instead of shrewd /chananikya.(he might have thought me a fool/adamant in my own words #1735 and not elaborated )
cheers guruvayurappan

 

[guruvayurappan]

dear renuka !
i like your post #1741 . it is true thatnasthigan more about GOD than a asthiga .in child we were told that a man going to a brothel has attained mukthi where as the most devoted person going to temple was not able to achieve this .the reason being true smranai of GOD

 

[Mayuram V.Sankaran]

You make me laugh, Yamaka, louder than your own laughter at all the believers! Read this carefully -- in a world that we never made, for a brief while we come and go, not being the efficient cause of ourselves -- oh yes, we may know for sure the proximate cause of our existence, our parents, but not the efficient cause -- and our lives are shaped by others on whom we are dependent at a tender age and later on, when we become conscious of our identity and position in the world, we try to give a meaning, shape or direction to our life, still without being in absolute control of our lives, we know not where we are headed in this life or after death, for death surely comes to all that is born and yet we strut about for a while on the stage of life saying that 'I am a scientist, engineer, technologist' or whatever other profession or occupation or trade or calling to which we may belong, and then we marry, beget children and believe them to be our own (without insisting on DNA matching or other forms of scientific proof), we raise them, educate them and care for them till they are on their own and want them to be good citizens of the world and of course, we visit them on holidays, as you do, if they do not come visiting us -- why? Why all this? It is nonsensical for an evanescent human being in this world not to be struck by the wonder of this world, this life, these thoughts, these feelings and these manifestation of intellectual prowess and still not be able to fold his hands and pray to whatever 'force' that has created all this wonder and seek guidance through this life, brief as it may be and away from the 'anti-thesis', the devil, all that is bad, dark, evil and the ugly side of life that is also evident in this world, some of our own making and others, not of our making at all! Your own knowledge and experience of the world and this life should give you the necessary wisdom to choose the 'good' (God) from the 'bad' (Devil)! Otherwise, you must acquire the wisdom from others through this gift of language!

 

[nannilam_balasubramanian]

You make me laugh, Yamaka, louder than your own laughter at all the believers! Read this carefully -- in a world that we never made, for a brief while we come and go, not being the efficient cause of ourselves -- oh yes, we may know for sure the proximate cause of our existence, our parents, but not the efficient cause -- and our lives are shaped by others on whom we are dependent at a tender age and later on, when we become conscious of our identity and position in the world, we try to give a meaning, shape or direction to our life, still without being in absolute control of our lives, we know not where we are headed in this life or after death, for death surely comes to all that is born and yet we strut about for a while on the stage of life saying that 'I am a scientist, engineer, technologist' or whatever other profession or occupation or trade or calling to which we may belong, and then we marry, beget children and believe them to be our own (without insisting on DNA matching or other forms of scientific proof), we raise them, educate them and care for them till they are on their own and want them to be good citizens of the world and of course, we visit them on holidays, as you do, if they do not come visiting us -- why? Why all this? It is nonsensical for an evanescent human being in this world not to be struck by the wonder of this world, this life, these thoughts, these feelings and these manifestation of intellectual prowess and still not be able to fold his hands and pray to whatever 'force' that has created all this wonder and seek guidance through this life, brief as it may be and away from the 'anti-thesis', the devil, all that is bad, dark, evil and the ugly side of life that is also evident in this world, some of our own making and others, not of our making at all! Your own knowledge and experience of the world and this life should give you the necessary wisdom to choose the 'good' (God) from the 'bad' (Devil)! Otherwise, you must acquire the wisdom from others through this gift of language!

Sir, It is an "Excellent gist in a nutshell" of a man's life. Hats off to you.

Balasubramanian
Amabattur

 

[guruvayurappan]

You make me laugh, Yamaka, louder than your own laughter at all the believers! Read this carefully -- in a world that we never made, for a brief while we come and go, not being the efficient cause of ourselves -- oh yes, we may know for sure the proximate cause of our existence, our parents, but not the efficient cause -- and our lives are shaped by others on whom we are dependent at a tender age and later on, when we become conscious of our identity and position in the world, we try to give a meaning, shape or direction to our life, still without being in absolute control of our lives, we know not where we are headed in this life or after death, for death surely comes to all that is born and yet we strut about for a while on the stage of life saying that 'I am a scientist, engineer, technologist' or whatever other profession or occupation or trade or calling to which we may belong, and then we marry, beget children and believe them to be our own (without insisting on DNA matching or other forms of scientific proof), we raise them, educate them and care for them till they are on their own and want them to be good citizens of the world and of course, we visit them on holidays, as you do, if they do not come visiting us -- why? Why all this? It is nonsensical for an evanescent human being in this world not to be struck by the wonder of this world, this life, these thoughts, these feelings and these manifestation of intellectual prowess and still not be able to fold his hands and pray to whatever 'force' that has created all this wonder and seek guidance through this life, brief as it may be and away from the 'anti-thesis', the devil, all that is bad, dark, evil and the ugly side of life that is also evident in this world, some of our own making and others, not of our making at all! Your own knowledge and experience of the world and this life should give you the necessary wisdom to choose the 'good' (God) from the 'bad' (Devil)! Otherwise, you must acquire the wisdom from others through this gift of language!

well said Sri.mayuramV.Sankar !
we expect more post in this line
guruvayuarppan

 

[Mayuram V.Sankaran]

Thank you, Balasubramanian and Guruvayurappan. Even as you compliment me, I am sure that 'Yamaka' is just polishing his reply to post as soon as it is ready! It is like the story told of Buddha and a follower of his who asked him why the people who come to listen to him are not getting 'enlightened' in spite of his many discourses showing the path to a life free from the 'misery of existence' in this world. Buddha advised him to inquire with the people who come to attend his discourses and find out for himself. And soon he found that many people were coming there with some personal problem or the other for which they wanted some solution and not at all to seek 'enlightenment'. It is the same as the barber's story given here at the outset. Unless one 'seeks' wisdom, it is not going to come to him! Likewise unless one 'seeks' God, one is not going to 'realize' God! More likely, in one's wanderings through life, one may stumble upon the 'Devil' himself, be enamored of him and embrace his philosophy and laugh at the 'Godly' beings.

 

[Nara]

....., these feelings and these manifestation of intellectual prowess and still not be able to fold his hands and pray to whatever 'force' that has created all this wonder and seek guidance through this life,...

You had me MVS for a while, but lost me with the above. You make an evidence free conclusion that this "force" -- about which you have no definitive knowledge as you use the word "whatever" in front of it, cares about human condition and able to bestow wisdom if we satisfy its ego by some sycophantic praying.

We do not live in a binary world neatly divided into "good" and "bad" and also transparent as to which is which. Trying to view the world in such simplistic terms is dangerous, it can lead to some very nasty outcomes for ourselves and those around us.

Cheers!

 

[guruvayurappan]

Thank you, Balasubramanian and Guruvayurappan. Even as you compliment me, I am sure that 'Yamaka' is just polishing his reply to post as soon as it is ready! It is like the story told of Buddha and a follower of his who asked him why the people who come to listen to him are not getting 'enlightened' in spite of his many discourses showing the path to a life free from the 'misery of existence' in this world. Buddha advised him to inquire with the people who come to attend his discourses and find out for himself. And soon he found that many people were coming there with some personal problem or the other for which they wanted some solution and not at all to seek 'enlightenment'. It is the same as the barber's story given here at the outset. Unless one 'seeks' wisdom, it is not going to come to him! Likewise unless one 'seeks' God, one is not going to 'realize' God! More likely, in one's wanderings through life, one may stumble upon the 'Devil' himself, be enamored of him and embrace his philosophy and laugh at the 'Godly' beings.

daer sankar !
when i put the question to my daughter whether we have to ask(pray ) GOD for every thing ,her reply was
mother will treat her children equally and she knows what the child requires but as a mother she will give some extra for crying /requesting(praying ) child at one stage even crying will not help since mother knows it is not good for health . So let us surrender to the ALMIGHTY and he will take care of us
guruvayurappan