God Exists

[Servall]

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Dear Nara:

Your post # 1925:

You say my post showed my condescension and air of civility; sage equanimity and self congratulatory conceit. I am sorry you feel that way; when I wrote I didnt intend any of these; and it is amazing how you can interpret things so many different ways.

Much of what we discuss in this forum may lead to nowhere, so what? Are we to close the site down? Nobody is compelling anyone to come here and waste their time on discussions that take us nowhere. We do it willingly. So, dishing out some sage equanimity, whether intended or not, comes out as nothing more than self congratulatory conceit.

True; did I ever suggest that this debate is meaningless except to note that this debate is ageless and nothing will come out of it!! I did not suggest Praveen to close this site!!

And by the way you were the same person who also said this: Refer to Page 31, Post 301, 'How do we encourage our kids to go more to the

Y, I also like the thread to stay focused, but the cause of the "topic purist" is a hopeless one. One can perhaps plead and cajole people to stay on topic, but that will only expedite the death of the thread. This forum is more like the cocktail hour than a conference session.

What I didnt say or mean but how you misconstrued, is that any more derogatory than what you said?

Dharma adi: We all wear shoes where they fit, at the end of the day I am not going to write to you to please you or make you happy, just what I feel and if you dont agree with it, it is perfectly fine with me, just that I hope all of us, learn to agree to disagree!!

Last but not least, I loved what Mr. Kunjuppu said:

afaic, those who believe, let them be. those who dont believe let them be. it is a big world to accommodate both.

after all, there are 1001 topics, and only on this if people disagree, there are 1000 more opportunities for agreement. no?

why all this fuss?

Dear Mr. K: I have disagreed with many things you have said; but you are truly a nullifying force when people engage seriously and you have a knack to bring people down to earth; you are like cool thayir sadam after a heavy dose of spicy sambar meal!!!!

Thank you and cheers.

 

[renuka]

dear praveen,

thank you very much for advise.will take it.
sorry for any inconvenience caused.
it is case closed on my side.


regards,
Brahin Brahmanisth

You are such a gentleman.

 

[renuka]

Ha, ha, ha! Perhaps there is​ a God after all!

You know Biswa I read before that in Nepal, Jackfruit is offered to Lord Vishnu on the 11th day of the Shravan month.
I wonder which day it was when this incident happened.

 

[nannilam_balasubramanian]

Some time between July and August, there is festival known as Karkkidakam in Sri Padmanabha (Peruma)
Swamy Temple in Thiruvananthapuram. They call it Dakshinaya Smkarana Day. In Kerala Jack fruit
is known as Chakka. They offer the Jack fruit during that time for Ucchha Pooja.

Balasubramanian
Ambattur

 

[renuka]

Some time between July and August, there is festival known as Karkkidakam in Sri Padmanabha (Peruma)
Swamy Temple in Thiruvananthapuram. They call it Dakshinaya Smkarana Day. In Kerala Jack fruit
is known as Chakka. They offer the Jack fruit during that time for Ucchha Pooja.

Balasubramanian
Ambattur

Thank you very much for info sir.

 

[Brahin]

You are such a gentleman.

Thanks Doll.

 

[KRS]

Dear Srimathi HH Ji,

What is the context of posting the two poems?

By the way, are you the author?

Regards,
KRS

 

[Servall]

Dear happyji:

Salutations to you...

If # 1935 and 1936 happen to be your own creations, compliments to you for the poetic skills..
As Mr. KRS had requested, I would also like to know the context and where you intend to go with these poems? Obviously you are trying to say something here.

Thanks and God Bless.

 

[kunjuppu]

i have not been following these storms here.

the net result. is Yamaka out of the forum now?

 

[KRS]

Dear Kunjuppu Ji,

If he is, it is out of his own volition. I, for one, hope that he is just on a hiatus.

Regards,
KRS

 

[ShivKC]

Dear happyji:

Salutations to you...

If # 1935 and 1936 happen to be your own creations, compliments to you for the poetic skills..

looks like there is a typographical error in your ref. post no.

it belongs to brahin and krs.

 

[KRS]

No, Sri ShivKC Ji, Sri Servall is right. Those were indeed Srimathi HH Ji's Posts. They are temporarily suspended, pending her response to my questions. The post #s shift when this is done.

Regards,
KRS

looks like there is a typographical error in your ref. post no.

it belongs to brahin and krs.

 

[Servall]

Mr. KRS:

I am just curious. Why would you 'temporarily suspend' posts pending answers?

Not necessarily all posts are answered but they convey certain messages from the writer and shouldnt they stand on their own merit?

Just curious and no big deal...

 

[KRS]

Dear Sri Servall Ji,

While the poems were well constructed, both of them contained expressions that I interpreted as offensive to one part of folks. (It took me several readings, as I am dense when it comes to interpreting poems).

The policy of the Forum is not to offend our readers sentiments. This is why in the past we moderated against posts vilifying some of our Gurus.

It is 'temporarily' suspended, because I need to hear from Srimathi HH Ji, whether my interpretation of the poems are indeed correct. I have sent her a PM on this.

Hope this explains.

Regards,
KRS

 

[Servall]

Mr. KRS:

Thanks for the clarification.

I still think it represents sort of censorship. I think HHji can respond in the public forum and as grown boys and girls we all can rebut or agree with her if one so chooses. But disabling it and having people wondering what happened to those posts does not feel correct to me!! I was going to write back my own poem in response but I guess it wont go anywhere now!!

My 2c....

 

[KRS]

Dear Sri Servall Ji,

I understand. Over the past several years, we have tried what you say. But believe me, on certain topics there are lots of emotions there, on both ends, and then we as moderators end up cleaning all the garbage.

Regards,
KRS

 

[Servall]

Dear KRS Sir:

I understand your predicament as moderator.

It is easy for me to complain, but I know you and Praveen have a responsibility to run the forum in the best interest of all its members and I must say you are both doing an amazing job.

Compliments and best wishes.

I hope my concern didnt offend you.

Regards

 

[KRS]

HH (she has requested to call her this) and Folks,

Yes, I did give HH one hour to respond this morning my time, because as you can see there was already one nasty comment about it which I deleted. I knew if she did not respond to my questions within that time, I could not keep it open, because more posts I needed to close. That is why, when I closed them, I specifically said, 'Temporarily deleted', which was a soft delete, with easy resurrection.

'Slithering', if I am correct is done by snakes only. Read the second poem about Taliban and Dharma. I took Dharma to be Hindu Dharma. This is a huge swath of words against a group of people. I respect her right to say whatever to support her philosophy. But to apply it generically against a specific group of people is not allowed. We do not permit hateful things here about other religions, why would we allow the same said about a group of folks in our religion?

Yet, to be sure I wanted the two questions I had to be answered, and again, I am sorry to say she did not respond to me in PM, but posts her poems again. And of course she gets online support. from Professor Nara Ji, questioning the Moderator's impartiality again. And this does not help. This is not only incorrect but false. I do not care who it is. Hateful attacks on a group of folks, whether it is in a poetic form or in any other form can not be allowed. So, I am deleting all the posts prior to this, and closing the thread.

She also inoculates herself below saying that she will be driven away anyway.

As Sri Praveen said, a Moderator can not be questioned. So if any of you question me as a Moderator, there will be consequences.

Regards,
KRS

KRS and folks,

I had no idea censorship applies to poems. These were part of several poems written atleast a year back, when i myself was struggling between theism and questions i cud not turn off in my mind. So these poems were saved. I took out portions of some poems, made some changes in them before posting so that they appear like completed poems.

KRS sir sent me a message saying he does not like the import of my poems. His point is "comparing theists to snakes and Hindus to Taliban is highly inflammatory". He also gave me one hour to respond with the rationale for posting them, failing which he wud delete the poems.

Now i do not care for deletion of poems. Nor do i think poetry needs any rationale for posting. So i dunno if i should be explaining them to those whose understanding may not understand.

Lest the readers mistakes this for some sorta blasphemy or something like that, based on the posts on this thread discussing them, am reproducing the poems for the readers to decide.

Since this is so-called poetry, one can derive various explanations for them. Also, i posted only parts of the poems, not the full ones. I have no idea where i compared "theists to snakes" or "hindus to taliban".

The 'slitering up to god' was meant to be the folks who did human sacrifice, etc with no empathy, shame, compassion. There was no comparison of taliban to hindus. It was an expression of irony that followers of sharia and varna (not hindus note please) were fighting the same fight.

KRS can feel free to delete this post. Poetry or not, some of us are to be kicked out no matter what anyways.

 

[KRS]

Folks,

This thread is reopened by popular demand.

Regards,
KRS

 

[nannilam_balasubramanian]

#1

If God is everywhere, why do people do not find him. The explanation given in #1 is
nicely explained. God is not fundamentally composed of matter, for HE is spirit. He
is present everywhere, in that everything, is immediately in HIS presence. We have
read the story of Prahalada and Hiranyakasubu. No one can hide from HIM and nothing
escapes from HIS notice. His supreme power and love are always with us because
GOD is always with us. If a child is doing something wrong, immediately the Parent
advise the child, not to commit a mistake stating not to do it; GOD is there, let us
not hurt HIM. If someone says, God is nowhere as you say. The instant
answer comes is that there is no place to go where GOD is not already there. Further
it is elucidated to him to read his own statement "God is nowhere as you say" -
God is now here. Our Puranas clearly stipulates that as much more one love of God
enhances or multiplies with deep attachment and Bakthi towards HIM, so much more
one can see God everywhere. Sometime, the next question may arise, How could
we achieve love of God if we don't know where is GOD. The next answer should be
"If we accept the existence of Laws in the Country and we are to abide by them, we
need not to have a doubt of the existence of God too". One cannot canceal his joy
always as he cannot hide his grief.

Balasubramanian
Ambattur

 

[nannilam_balasubramanian]

#1

If God is everywhere, why do people do not find him. The explanation given in #1 is
nicely explained. God is not fundamentally composed of matter, for HE is spirit. He
is present everywhere, in that everything, is immediately in HIS presence. We have
read the story of Prahalada and Hiranyakasubu. No one can hide from HIM and nothing
escapes from HIS notice. His supreme power and love are always with us because
GOD is always with us. If a child is doing something wrong, immediately the Parent
advise the child, not to commit a mistake stating not to do it; GOD is there, let us
not hurt HIM. If someone says, God is nowhere as you say. The instant
answer comes is that there is no place to go where GOD is not already there. Further
it is elucidated to him to read his own statement "God is nowhere as you say" -
God is now here. Our Puranas clearly stipulates that as much more one love of God
enhances or multiplies with deep attachment and Bakthi towards HIM, so much more
one can see God everywhere. Sometime, the next question may arise, How could
we achieve love of God if we don't know where is GOD. The next answer should be
"If we accept the existence of Laws in the Country and we are to abide by them, we
need not to have a doubt of the existence of God too". One cannot canceal his joy
always as he cannot hide his grief.

Balasubramanian
Ambattur

P.S. Last sentence to be read as : One cannot conceal his joy always, as he cannot
hide his grief.

 

[ozone]

Consequences?

Every time I see this in bold RED, it scares the hell out of me.
What are these really?

Would police come knocking at the door,
My Bank Account frozen,
My Employer notified,
I will jailed??

(Am I giving away Ideas?)

How about a 'Consequence Checker' like the spell check, which will provide me some clues
Applaud, Brickbats, Just 2 Points, OMG, bet your life, etc., so I can do a risk assessment before
I take the bold step to press the POST button?

 

[ShivKC]

Every time I see this in bold RED, it scares the hell out of me.
What are these really?

Would police come knocking at the door,
My Bank Account frozen,
My Employer notified,
I will jailed??

(Am I giving away Ideas?)

How about a 'Consequence Checker' like the spell check, which will provide me some clues
Applaud, Brickbats, Just 2 Points, OMG, bet your life, etc., so I can do a risk assessment before
I take the bold step to press the POST button?

it all started with the 'red ink fountain pen of our primary school teachers' and it scared us , the students, and we are still locked up in that phobia

but then, when on a job, the the head master /principal/gazetter officer used to pen their scary memo's/transfer orders in 'green' ink.

and worst of all is, the black ink, where in the judge used to write his order sentencing one to the gallows, though he formally stamp to break the nib on his wooden desk.

what primary color is left, apart from those mentioned red,green,(black)? thats blue..

many a songs were written on this color in bad note.. one of the popular one is 'when im feeling BLUE, all i have to do, is,take a look at you'..

take it easy, there is nothing to do with 'pen colors', as long as you are right.

 

[guruvayurappan]

Every time I see this in bold RED, it scares the hell out of me.
What are these really?

Would police come knocking at the door,
My Bank Account frozen,
My Employer notified,
I will jailed??

(Am I giving away Ideas?)

How about a 'Consequence Checker' like the spell check, which will provide me some clues
Applaud, Brickbats, Just 2 Points, OMG, bet your life, etc., so I can do a risk assessment before
I take the bold step to press the POST button?

since the heart is not white,the paper is white
to erase our black thought ,the ink color is black
since the gazetted officer is in well to do position,he signs in green
when our mistakes are pointed we get angry ,hence the correction is made in REd
not able to understand ,why the blue is chosen ?
guruvayurappan

 

[nannilam_balasubramanian]

I am told some research has been done in this respect to analyse the minds of the
people, as people are likely to have different colours to describe different moods,
such as depression, anxiety, etc. The results could lead to positive, negative,
neutral, etc. It appears that normally eight colours are chosen for such surveys and
subsequently they add white & black with a back ground viz. red, orange, green,
purple, blue, yellow, pink and brown. Yellow colour is liked by happier and healthy
people. What I have given here is only a gist, just for example.

Balasubramanian
Ambattur