Growing live-in relationships - is it threat to india?

[C RAVI]

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We should take into account as mostly who are those older people here who have different and broader mindset in contrast to the youth members here, while addressing the social issues. Also we should have better understanding of which society is taken into consideration to debate and express concern.

These older people with broader mentality are those who have intellectually migrated themselves along with having physically migrated to western world.

Naturally, we would find a clear picture of broader mentality of the older members and narrow/old fashioned mentality of youth members here.

The whole problem in this forum is, there is a lot of miss understanding between these intellectually migrated members and others because each group is highlighting the value of different culture which one want to appreciate, follow and propagate.

You can have a clear idea of IF the youth members here are stuck with narrow and older/out fashioned mentality without any of its validity and usefulness in the present time Indian society ONLY if there are plenty of active participation by Youths who are not intellectually migrated and have not willingly surrendered themselves to the western culture/life style practices.

 

[C RAVI]

It is far better for lots of Indian youths of today to remain single rather marrying intellectually migrated Indian females (irrespective of where they physically are) and suffer for ever.

 

[KRS]

Oh,come on Sri C. Ravi Ji. You are better than making such broad statements. In my opinion, you need not listen to me on this, this is not gentlemanly. Truly, I am shocked.

There is no such thing as 'intellectually migrating', when one experiences multiple cultures and takes what are positives in those cultures to suit one's makeup, it is 'intellectual broadening' or 'intellectually growing'.

I was reflecting on your last sentence. What makes you think that this is a one way street?

Regards,
KRS

It is far better for lots of Indian youths of today to remain single rather marrying intellectually migrated Indian females (irrespective of where they physically are) and suffer for ever.

 

[sarang]

The other day we had to consult a GP doctor (cough,cold, fever); next to her consulting room was fertility clinic/ consulting physician. My counting showed that for every two GP patients, there was one young couple consulting the other doctor. Really a high proportion.

My wife concluded that when they find that nothing happens after discontinuing contraception, they get worried!

DINKY

Double Income No Kids Yet, refers to people that are in relationship / married

but have no children and keep their mind focused on their careers.

Source: Dinky (disambiguation)

 

[biswa]

Back to the original post (the poster has as usual disappeared). How come the loss of Indian culture was not lamented when lots of upper-class well-to-do men maintained several wives and mistresses? Many times this is a situation of sour grapes, a person bashes a situation only because he can't take advantage of it himself.

Here in the US we have seen lot of politicians bashing gays until it is found out that they are closet gays themselves!

 

[renuka]

It is far better for lots of Indian youths of today to remain single rather marrying intellectually migrated Indian females (irrespective of where they physically are) and suffer for ever.

Some Males are a confusing lot...I have no idea what they want in life.

All I can say is they are down right dominating and carbon dated in thinking.

 

[Jaykay767]

It is far better for lots of Indian youths of today to remain single rather marrying intellectually migrated Indian females (irrespective of where they physically are) and suffer for ever.

Dear Ravi:

No, it is not better for anyone to remain Single unless one chooses to be a Sanyasi/Guru dedicated to God & serving people. Other than this, everyone should get married. All the Boys & Girls who remain single beyond 30/40 all regret not marrying.

I agree, some Girls & Boys have adopted culture that is very alien to our traditions & have messed up their lives. So again I am going to point to the age old tradition – choose a Girl or Boy within the same class - like middle class, or rich or traditional orthodox brahmins etc..

The problem is most of our Boys & Girls cutting across all communities want to only marry the “Ideal Man or Woman” & in this process miss the Bus completely.

So one has to be open to look at all boys/girls within the community without going through the checklist process & marry a Good person instead of this Hero/Heroine


This is where the parents have to play a crucial role, reprimand the kids if required, provide guidance to them how one should look at substance instead of form etc..

Cheers,

 

[tbs]

hi
better all singles ready to mingle......there is no such thing.....MR RIGHT OR MISS RIGHT....life is not custom made.....we can

make computer custom made...not the life......compassion and compromise is the key word....

 

[Brahmanyan]

This is exactly what I used to think before coming across the forum about older people/men. But on the contrary older men in this forum are some of the most mellow, broader minded and the least radical. We are now witnessing the radicalisation of male youth and young men, across the board imho.

Dear "Amala",

Mind has no age, it is always "young". Mind is just the collection of thoughts. If there are no thoughts there is no mind. Body only ages and withers away due to natural causes. I believe older we grow our understanding of the world expands. We start shedding many of the worthless muck that we acquire in the name of beliefs. To me birth and death are only real, all other experiences in life are acquired ones, that can be retained or shed according to our understanding of life.

Regards,
Brahmanyan,
Bangalore.

 

[sarang]

There are sastric injunctions, varna-kula-jati laws, family laws, and local community laws, and now civil/criminal laws. Obviously one need not respect any or some of these laws, but has to face the consequences if caught. If the logic - I don't want to follow jati laws because I do not subscribe to them, the same logic can be applied to civil laws. Polygamy and polyandry are not allowed under civil laws, but allowed by society laws under special circumstances.

Sanatana dharma is a way of life with the laws framed for different sections with different goals. That is why perhaps mandatory for one is nishiddam for another.

 

[sarang]

I agree, if you replace 'we' with 'I'; what is worthless muck to you may be divine wisdom for another.

Arranged marriage was the norm in most parts of the world - even victorian age mothers schemed to get their daughters married to varans of their choice, and literally pushed their daughters to woo and entice the lads/lords.

Now the supreme court has ruled that it is not an offence to refuse to marry the living-in girl who was enticed with the promise of marriage.

Our dharma has given us the right, tools and wisdom to question all it says. But one has to understand the premises on which the arguments and conclusions are based.

Dear "Amala",

Mind has no age, it is always "young". Mind is just the collection of thoughts. If there are no thoughts there is no mind. Body only ages and withers away due to natural causes. I believe older we grow our understanding of the world expands. We start shedding many of the worthless muck that we acquire in the name of beliefs. To me birth and death are only real, all other experiences in life are acquired ones, that can be retained or shed according to our understanding of life.

Regards,
Brahmanyan,
Bangalore.

 

[C RAVI]

I agree, if you replace 'we' with 'I'; what is worthless muck to you may be divine wisdom for another.

Arranged marriage was the norm in most parts of the world - even victorian age mothers schemed to get their daughters married to varans of their choice, and literally pushed their daughters to woo and entice the lads/lords.

Now the supreme court has ruled that it is not an offence to refuse to marry the living-in girl who was enticed with the promise of marriage.

Our dharma has given us the right, tools and wisdom to question all it says. But one has to understand the premises on which the arguments and conclusions are based.

Well said!!

 

[C RAVI]

Oh,come on Sri C. Ravi Ji. You are better than making such broad statements. In my opinion, you need not listen to me on this, this is not gentlemanly. Truly, I am shocked.

There is no such thing as 'intellectually migrating', when one experiences multiple cultures and takes what are positives in those cultures to suit one's makeup, it is 'intellectual broadening' or 'intellectually growing'.

I was reflecting on your last sentence. What makes you think that this is a one way street?

Regards,
KRS

Shri KRS,

It makes sense when I say its far better for Indian guys who cherish Indian culture, social norms, family values etc. to not to marry intellectually "migrated" females.

You say that 'intellectual broadening' or 'intellectually growing' is a good thing. I certainly agree with it. But, I have used "intellectually migrated" and thus have willingly accepted the culture of the western world under the influence of 'intellectual broadening' or 'intellectually growing', no matter where are they dwelling. In India or in western world or any where else on this Earth!

You know what? Many girls with roots in India but having a different nationality, being born and brought up in Kuala Lumpur, Singapore and few other counties are scared to marry even an Indian who is born and brought up in America and have lived and living an American life style? Any idea why??

 

[Jaykay767]

Dear Ravi:

The fact is many of the Indians have messed up their lives by migrating abroad & marrying outside of our communities & culture. In one or 2 generations, none of their kids, grandkids will even talk to each other. How many 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] generation mixed up Indian kids talk to any of their relatives in India ?

These messed up people have no choice but to claim that going abroad is an intellectually broadening/growing experience – LOL !!. They cannot accept they have messed up. These guys who went abroad had no clue on anything, they got into IC/IR marriages !!!!!. Today it is too late to do anything. But they now in the late years are missing their culture & hence they come to these forums. But instead of learning our culture, they want to talk endlessly about their useless western aped culture/thinking which nobody wants – LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! of course some general public may get confused, hence we need to caution them.

The kids of the 1[SUP]st[/SUP] generation parents think they are superior than the kids born in India because of their parent’s contracted thinking, so they will not marry any Indian, but elusively wait to marry a White Blonde Hair Man – who will never come, so they end up alone & having a constant stream of men who come & go from their sad apartments – LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cheers,

 

[sangom]

Shri KRS,

It makes sense when I say its far better for Indian guys who cherish Indian culture, social norms, family values etc. to not to marry intellectually "migrated" females.

You say that 'intellectual broadening' or 'intellectually growing' is a good thing. I certainly agree with it. But, I have used "intellectually migrated" and thus have willingly accepted the culture of the western world under the influence of 'intellectual broadening' or 'intellectually growing', no matter where are they dwelling. In India or in western world or any where else on this Earth!

You know what? Many girls with roots in India but having a different nationality, being born and brought up in Kuala Lumpur, Singapore and few other counties are scared to marry even an Indian who is born and brought up in America and have lived and living an American life style? Any idea why??

Dear Shri Ravi,

Accepting your usage of "intellectual migration" (IM) for the sake of convenience of expression, don't you really think that a very solid percentage of our young women including those who may be eagerly awaiting their "kanni" US tour, are all already in this intellectually migrated category? I think so.

Perhaps it is due to this IM which makes many a girl to put forward impossible conditions for matrimony and go on waiting endlessly.

 

[C RAVI]

Dear Shri Ravi,

Accepting your usage of "intellectual migration" (IM) for the sake of convenience of expression, don't you really think that a very solid percentage of our young women including those who may be eagerly awaiting their "kanni" US tour, are all already in this intellectually migrated category? I think so.

Perhaps it is due to this IM which makes many a girl to put forward impossible conditions for matrimony and go on waiting endlessly.

YES, I do!! That's the reason I coined the expression - "Intellectual Migration" for the sake of convenience of expression and said that, it's far better for Indian guys who relish Indian culture, society norms, family values etc to remain single rather marrying and undergoing suffering and humiliation in the hands of these intellectually migrated ladies.

 

[KRS]

Dear Sri Ravi Ji,

As I have said, I appreciate the true traditional life of folks anywhere, in the face of a changing world, for it involves commitment and sacrifice.

But I don't appreciate a lot of these so called 'traditionalists' (including some folks in this Forum who shout the loudest on traditions), who have one foot barely touching what passes for tradition and another leg firmly planted in modern life with all it's comforts, but denying it.

Tradition itself has changed. Every 100 years or so, it changes. It is also so gradual we don't even realize it. We were under British rule for a couple of hundred years. What we say as the 'western' way came then. As a population, our life had to change under those circumstances. Today, the world has become a global culture, a mix of lots of ideas/cultural elements being adapted everywhere from anywhere. Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, Taoism etc., now are finding adherents in the western world, and in numbers that are ever increasing. Vegetarianism is now a growing habit. Cuisines of all countries are available everywhere.

In my opinion, when one thinks of various ways of living models as 'western', it is not a right concept. As we have shown, there has always been a minority everywhere in the world who lived in alternate lifestyles. The difference now is that they want their living styles recognized in the civic arena, and they are more visible.

Contrary to popular cliches about the live-in arrangement, or any other alternative living arrangement, long marriage and life with one partner are the dreams of most of these lifestyles, I think because that is the golden ideal for the human kind. Here is an interesting article from TOI:
Status check: Live-in relationships - Times Of India

Malaysia is a traditional place, with distinct culture. Singapore, is perhaps having the same type of ethnic roots as Malaysia, is not a melting pot. But, yes, the girls and guys from these countries with Indian roots have their own 'intellectual expansion', coming from experiencing two different conservative cultures. American culture is very different, it is a western individual based culture, in lots of ways liberal and in important others very conservative. So, lots of times when an Indian rooted American kid marries an Indian kid raised in India, there is usually a lots of adjustments that are required. I have seen a lots of failures in such marriages. This is why, perhaps is the reluctance on the part of a Malaysian/Singapore born girl to marry a USA raised boy.

Regards,
KRS

Shri KRS,

It makes sense when I say its far better for Indian guys who cherish Indian culture, social norms, family values etc. to not to marry intellectually "migrated" females.

You say that 'intellectual broadening' or 'intellectually growing' is a good thing. I certainly agree with it. But, I have used "intellectually migrated" and thus have willingly accepted the culture of the western world under the influence of 'intellectual broadening' or 'intellectually growing', no matter where are they dwelling. In India or in western world or any where else on this Earth!

You know what? Many girls with roots in India but having a different nationality, being born and brought up in Kuala Lumpur, Singapore and few other counties are scared to marry even an Indian who is born and brought up in America and have lived and living an American life style? Any idea why??

 

[Jaykay767]

Tradition cannot change. Same Vedic texts are chanted today,same Bible, Koran is taught today & the same rituals / customs continue. Only people have stopped following them, sothey think tradition has changed.

 

[KRS]

Dear Sri Jaykay767 Ji,

'Vedic Tradition' was born at a particular point in time. Bible, the new testament is 2000 years old. Koran came much later.

So anything that was born in time can change. How does it change? Like you say, people stop following them, for whatever reason. That is change. Traditions have no meaning apart from people following them in their original form, which is never a case in a changing world. Ask the Mayans and the Aztecs.

Regards,
KRS

Tradition cannot change. Same Vedic texts are chanted today,same Bible, Koran is taught today & the same rituals / customs continue. Only people have stopped following them, sothey think tradition has changed.

 

[kunjuppu]

....
Malaysia is a traditional place, with distinct culture. Singapore, is perhaps having the same type of ethnic roots as Malaysia, is not a melting pot. But, yes, the girls and guys from these countries with Indian roots have their own 'intellectual expansion', coming from experiencing two different conservative cultures. American culture is very different, it is a western individual based culture, in lots of ways liberal and in important others very conservative. So, lots of times when an Indian rooted American kid marries an Indian kid raised in India, there is usually a lots of adjustments that are required. I have seen a lots of failures in such marriages. This is why, perhaps is the reluctance on the part of a Malaysian/Singapore born girl to marry a USA raised boy.

Regards,
KRS

till about 30 -40 years ago, one went back to the town or village or area they came from in india, to get married. almost never, did a tambram man, seeking out is fortunes in mumbai or delhi or the north, found a wife there.

since the 50s, we have had tambram kids growing up in the north - even there is a distinct blend of someone growing up in mumbai as opposed to delhi or calcutta - the last being bengalized. all of these have taken on some aspect of a culture alien to tambram - as i used to see in my own college days 68-73, where i hostelled with tambrams bred up north.

there was a difference - these ate chapathis and masala with a gusto, that tamil nadu pappaans like me could not stand (the stink). they spoke intermingled with hindi or marathi, and were very comfortable with north indians with whom they spoke only hindi.

whereas the tamilnadu tambrams were many, seeing northies for the first time in our lives.

move to north america where we started migrating since the mid 1960s when u.s universities opened their purse strings for graduate studies and president johnson opened up the immigration to coloureds.

we have now a fair chunk of brown americans - who when viewed look indian, but in reality are american in culture. my own children, can relate to an american, better than an indian - it is just simply a cultural thing. now a days, the gap is lessening, thanks due to internet and facebook and such.

even now, occasssionally i get queried from india indian students, as to why their brown skinned cousins born in north america shun them to white folks. i have to explain, that when two indians meet in an american university, both are strangers to the country and culture. and they have grown up in india, which itself is an affinity.they bond instantaneously.

however, it is not fair either for my son or his friends, to warm up to someone from india, just because they both are of common ancestry. it simply does not happen.

let me tell you a story in my family - happened early 1970s. we had a relative who made good in calcutta - the girls all went to loretto convent and were the upper crust of cal. an arranged to a guy from coimbatore, a young man, already a senior executive in lakshmi machine tools, and barely late 20s (i think he had an american M.S.). this cal girl, after marriage, was unhappy in the then rural coimbatore, and within 6 months persuaded her hubby to quit this job, for one in an obscure bihar mining town, where they lived almost all their lives, and retired to delhi.

my kozhikode cousins spoke more malayalam than tamil.

so not at all surprised about reluctance of arranged marriges across continents. you are marrying a foreigner, and along with it, all the extra adjustments needed to make it a workable marriage. which is why, i think, love marriages, mature at that, with an approach from the head as well as the heart, makes a lot of sense.

 

[Jaykay767]

Dear Sri Jaykay767 Ji,

'Vedic Tradition' was born at a particular point in time. Bible, the new testament is 2000 years old. Koran came much later.

So anything that was born in time can change. How does it change? Like you say, people stop following them, for whatever reason. That is change. Traditions have no meaning apart from people following them in their original form, which is never a case in a changing world. Ask the Mayans and the Aztecs.

Regards,
KRS

Yes, it can only change if that civilization is destroyed like in the case of Mayan, Aztecs & Egyptians. Unless that happens, the followers will continue the Tradition across generations.

People can follow some other tradition or invent something new or stop completely, but it is totally irrelevant to the true followers.

 

[prasad1]

Traditions are just practices, and that too local. A family tradition is unique to that family. A north Indian Hindu Brahmin tradition is different from a South Indian Brahmin traditions.
Traditions can persist and evolve for thousands of years—the word "tradition" itself derives from the Latin tradere or traderer literally meaning to transmit, to hand over, to give for safekeeping. While it is commonly assumed that traditions have ancient history, many traditions have been invented on purpose, whether that be political or cultural, over short periods of time.

In artistic contexts, tradition is used to decide the correct display of an art form. For example, in the performance of traditional genres (such as traditional dance), adherence to guidelines dictating how an art form should be composed are given greater importance than the performer's own preferences. A number of factors can exacerbate the loss of tradition, including industrialization, globalization, and the assimilation or marginalization of specific cultural groups. In response to this, tradition-preservation attempts have now been started in many countries around the world, focusing on aspects such as traditional languages.

The society norms change all the time. Some are slow changes over a period of time and some are decreed by law and changes overnight.

 

[prasad1]

till about 30 -40 years ago, one went back to the town or village or area they came from in india, to get married. almost never, did a tambram man, seeking out is fortunes in mumbai or delhi or the north, found a wife there.

since the 50s, we have had tambram kids growing up in the north - even there is a distinct blend of someone growing up in mumbai as opposed to delhi or calcutta - the last being bengalized. all of these have taken on some aspect of a culture alien to tambram - as i used to see in my own college days 68-73, where i hostelled with tambrams bred up north.

there was a difference - these ate chapathis and masala with a gusto, that tamil nadu pappaans like me could not stand (the stink). they spoke intermingled with hindi or marathi, and were very comfortable with north indians with whom they spoke only hindi.

whereas the tamilnadu tambrams were many, seeing northies for the first time in our lives.

move to north america where we started migrating since the mid 1960s when u.s universities opened their purse strings for graduate studies and president johnson opened up the immigration to coloureds.

we have now a fair chunk of brown americans - who when viewed look indian, but in reality are american in culture. my own children, can relate to an american, better than an indian - it is just simply a cultural thing. now a days, the gap is lessening, thanks due to internet and facebook and such.

even now, occasssionally i get queried from india indian students, as to why their brown skinned cousins born in north america shun them to white folks. i have to explain, that when two indians meet in an american university, both are strangers to the country and culture. and they have grown up in india, which itself is an affinity.they bond instantaneously.

however, it is not fair either for my son or his friends, to warm up to someone from india, just because they both are of common ancestry. it simply does not happen.

let me tell you a story in my family - happened early 1970s. we had a relative who made good in calcutta - the girls all went to loretto convent and were the upper crust of cal. an arranged to a guy from coimbatore, a young man, already a senior executive in lakshmi machine tools, and barely late 20s (i think he had an american M.S.). this cal girl, after marriage, was unhappy in the then rural coimbatore, and within 6 months persuaded her hubby to quit this job, for one in an obscure bihar mining town, where they lived almost all their lives, and retired to delhi.

my kozhikode cousins spoke more malayalam than tamil.

so not at all surprised about reluctance of arranged marriges across continents. you are marrying a foreigner, and along with it, all the extra adjustments needed to make it a workable marriage. which is why, i think, love marriages, mature at that, with an approach from the head as well as the heart, makes a lot of sense.

Mr. K., you have lived in various parts of the world, you have expanded your horizon by observing life all over the world, you have a healthy appreciation of life, and you have curiosity to learn other's opinion.

on the other hand if you only have closed mindset, and arrogance of your superior knowledge you may not be so broadminded.

 

[C RAVI]

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QUOTE=KRS;189793]Dear Sri Ravi Ji,

As I have said, I appreciate the true traditional life of folks anywhere, in the face of a changing world, for it involves commitment and sacrifice.

But I don't appreciate a lot of these so called 'traditionalists' (including some folks in this Forum who shout the loudest on traditions), who have one foot barely touching what passes for tradition and another leg firmly planted in modern life with all it's comforts, but denying it.

Tradition itself has changed. Every 100 years or so, it changes. It is also so gradual we don't even realize it.

Shri KRS, I am quoting selectively so as to make my stand clear on important points..

First of all, by being traditional I didn't mean religious orthodoxy. In this fast changing, time consuming and challenging environment TB people have withdrawn themselves from many of religious customs and are tailor making the practices that suites each individual/family. Saastram, Aacharam etc to the core are not in continuation because the times have changed and are not possible. Many of them are irrelevant and can not be continued.

YES!! These folks use the comforts of modern life while retaining the values of social norms and family. This is no wrong. The physical comforts of life are to manage day to day affairs of this fast growing challenging life with ease and the comfort of human's life that facilitates one to live for one's happiness and collectively for the happiness of the family members and the society with human's sentiments, emotions, perception, values etc etc are two different spectrum with which many Indians were surviving, continuing to survive and would strive to achieve the same, managing with the both. Still giving priority to only those that can add value to the values of healthy human living.

At the end of the day, we want emotional contentment that facilitates safety, security, reliability, trustworthiness, intimacy with one for life, true love, care, bondage, commitment and what not? These are the only factors that we feel can make one contented in living a Human Life and not Money and Materials of Luxury as the only determining factors.

We were under British rule for a couple of hundred years. What we say as the 'western' way came then. As a population, our life had to change under those circumstances. Today, the world has become a global culture, a mix of lots of ideas/cultural elements being adapted everywhere from anywhere. Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, Taoism etc., now are finding adherents in the western world, and in numbers that are ever increasing. Vegetarianism is now a growing habit. Cuisines of all countries are available everywhere.

In my opinion, when one thinks of various ways of living models as 'western', it is not a right concept. As we have shown, there has always been a minority everywhere in the world who lived in alternate lifestyles. The difference now is that they want their living styles recognized in the civic arena, and they are more visible.

Anything can be available anywhere, any thing and any one can be in our shelter, anything can be respected as the options and choice available to each one personally. The point is, how and why there is a gradual shift towards something that is leading to many mishaps? What sort of choices are driving away the values of human living with sense of discipline, respect and security?

The point is to see, what is the right way, the right thing and the right living that ensures mental and emotional security, respect and dignity, safety and security and certainly to see what contributes towards achieving healthy family and healthy society.

The results of each options and choosing them impacts the other available options and its practices. The important thing to see is if the available options and choices made are negatively impacting the other or not?


That's why a set of people who believe in one concept of living would wish to mingle with only those who share the same concept of living, while living together for life as a partner.

It turns out to be utter disappointing and heart breaking to that one set of people in realizing that, in due course of time, people who were from the same foundation are going out to opt the other options of so called happy living (Intellectual Migration). When this happens, that one set of people gradually would cease to exist. And in one fine day, as I said in my previous posts, all humans would get back to the square one.

Malaysia is a traditional place, with distinct culture. Singapore, is perhaps having the same type of ethnic roots as Malaysia, is not a melting pot. But, yes, the girls and guys from these countries with Indian roots have their own 'intellectual expansion', coming from experiencing two different conservative cultures. American culture is very different, it is a western individual based culture, in lots of ways liberal and in important others very conservative. So, lots of times when an Indian rooted American kid marries an Indian kid raised in India, there is usually a lots of adjustments that are required. I have seen a lots of failures in such marriages. This is why, perhaps is the reluctance on the part of a Malaysian/Singapore born girl to marry a USA raised boy.

Regards,
KRS

The above part is your answer to my concluding question in my recent post address to you (in my post no.63)


Many of guys and girls from Malaysia and Singapore with Indian roots have intellectually broadened or intellectually grown as same as guys and girls as Indian Nationals. Out of these who all have not opted for "Intellectual Migration" want to be alert to not become a part of "Intellectually Migrated" individual's life. Otherwise in most cases failures are for sure. If not a total failure, lots of suffering are guaranteed and the precious moments of life are lost

That's the reason, many of the so called intellectually broadened and intellectual grown up girls of India and the girls of Malaysia and Singapore with Indian Roots are hesitant to marry even a American born and brought up guy with Indian roots. The time and moments of one's precious life once gone are gone. There is no rewinding.

 

[Jaykay767]

Let me summarize this for our general public who may get carried away by the neo age misguided wisdom.

First off – who is bothered if a Indian born in America is unable to bond with the ones in India? who is bothered if they can bond with the Whites better? Who cares if they want to marry the people from India or not, they can marry anyone or anything fromanywhere !!

Second -Traditionalists are least bothered whether someone in America attended Havard or Yale, or they intermingled with other races to become broad minded ?. Oh, by the way, what do you think broad minded is? – live-in relation, teen sex,apeing western culture.. let them tell us one thing they have evolved as a “new tradition” which is positive to the people ?????

Third – Traditionalists will never give up the tradition, culture, customs & rituals. People are free to go away from all this - anytime, anywhere. They can all get into IC/IR etc.. they can talk in any language, freely intermingle with all the great people of other races. We are NOT interested one bit in this & is totally irrelevant !!

Fourth – if the neoage people are so broad minded, why do they come to such tradition based forums & waste the traditionalist’s time & confuse the innocent general public who come to such forums to learn our tradition !!

Fifth – if they are so broad minded, why do they take pride if their kids wearing Sarees in western countries ? Sarees are a very ancient dress from traditional Southern India, so they should quickly move from my any such old age thinking, icons, dress – LOL!! Oh, whenever it suits them they will align with our tradition (ie showingoff to whites) & then when issues come up they will quickly disassociate from them (ie showing off to whites they are broad minded like them !!) – LOL!!

Only to the people interested to follow our tradition – Pl never ever fall for such trap, there is no coming back. Once you move away from our tradition, & get into IC/IR marriages, that is the end of the story for your family & kids. Many IC/IR kids are desperate to marry Tam Brams because they realize the value of proper tradition & they want to desperately follow our culture, but unfortunately no takers !!!

Pl teach your kids tradition from day 1, ensure they are religious moored – regular temple visits,slokam, mantra chant, teach them our ancient texts, ensure they are absolutely conservative – docile is good , u saw my other post on aggressive culture,etc,. tell them the long term impact of IC/IR marriages, as parents one should explain these kids at early age, then they will never go astray !!

PS: New York has the highest num of Yoga schools & most are whites, they have realized the value of our culture/tradition. US has a num of Sanskrit schools, where they teach our religious texts. Infact many recent books on Vedic Religion is by the Whites.

As they say – Fools rush where the Angels fear to tread”,never ever rush into this mess of – Live-in, teen sex, give up all our traditions, rituals, give up our conservative culture, etc… Lets double down & go all out to propagate our tradition, ensure our kids follow them religiously, their kids follow them, all the way into eternity !!!!