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Manmohan Cuts Sorry Figure In Public!!!

SIR - puppet prime minister of india, manamohan has once again got himself in to pathetic trouble. he has tearfully justified his pro-islamic policies by misquoting nethaji subhas chandra bose. the manamohan has said that in 1938 even netaji 'supported giving priority for muslims in public life'! the question is did netaji support govts. funding programmes exclusively for muslims alone, out of tax payers money? definitely not! in any case as per indian constitution 'equality ' for all indians is a basic structure of the constitution and sponsoring schemes for one group alone on religious basis is a blatant violation of the letter and spirit of indian constitution. had nethaji known that his comments will be misquoted like this in future, he would probably have remained dumb throughout his life!!!!!
 
Indian Epics An Enigma!!!

SIR - if you notice carefully you will see that celibacy has been an important highlight of indian epics. in mahabaratha even though draupadi had 5 husbands she did not have sex will all of them. she had physical relationship only with arjuna. similarly even gods who had more than one wife, or who were associated with more than one women, generally had physical relationship with either only one women or with no women at all. this is novel celibacy. this is also a form of platonic relationship. there is no god in india who can be accused of having physical relationship with more than one woman!!! (of course dasaratha is reported to have had 6000 wives. but remember- he was not a god!!!)
 
[SIR -= it is shocking to see some members of this site (fans of the kamalahaasa i suppose) suddenly 'discover' that prostitution was allowed during vedic times. this means automatically that we all are descendants of prostitutes, because our ancestors did live during vedic times.! how did moderators allow these sorts of trash to be published?
 
[SIR -= it is shocking to see some members of this site (fans of the kamalahaasa i suppose) suddenly 'discover' that prostitution was allowed during vedic times. this means automatically that we all are descendants of prostitutes, because our ancestors did live during vedic times.! how did moderators allow these sorts of trash to be published?


sir -a film, called WATER made by a canada based indian, deepa mehta, which potrays india, hindus and brahmins in a negative manner , has been selected as a foreign entry for oscar award? why not selecte DA VINCI CODE for any award under any category? it was aesthetically made,brave, revolutionary and exposes the other shade of christ and christianity! any information from US, CANADA based members on this???
 
sir - i WOULD LIKE TO GO ONE STEP FURTHER. I AM SURE, IF INDIAN GOVT. WERE TO DECLARE TOMORROW, THAT ONLY 'BEGGARS' WOULD BE GIVEN QUOTAS IN GOVT. JOBS & EDUCATIONS, I AMSURE, THERE WILL BE A BEELINE OF INDIANS WILLING TO DECLARE THEMSELVES PROUDLY AS 'BEGGARS'!!!!!!!!!


sir - it is a well know fact that the nehru, to save his skin, life and chair introduced the nefarious 9th schedule in indian constitution , which enables caste quotas to contine indefinitely. this schedule should be called NEHRU schedule and not 9th schedule. Is not caste quota a form of untouchability, because it treates upper castes as untouchables, who have to be satisfied with the leftovers from sc, st & bc ?????
 
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BRAHMINISM vS HINDUISM!!!

sir - all brahmin males in the world, whereever you are , pls. make it a point to perform Sandha Vandhana altleast twice a day- one in morning & one in evening,atleast upto level of Sankalpam. Gayathiri manthiram is common for all sects of brahmins and even non brahmins. it was sage vishwamithra, a kshtariya who wrote this holy verse, though it became popular because of brahmins only. brahmacharyam is important starting point in life of a brahman. Grihastham & vanaprashtham come only after that. a brahmin should be wearing a sacred thread before 8 yrs. i.e.before sexual feelings even remotely enter his mind. but nowadays it is not that easy to perform sacred thread wearing function because of the high costs involved. you have to invite many persons and also have to purchase clothes to your relatives a your own cost for this function. Poonool function is very important and sacred beause it comes only once in a lifetime for a brahmin. so brahmins want to do it grandly like a marriage. but because of lack of funds, many brahmins postpone the function and do it fairly later.

another important event , though not on a grand scale is Samaashnam. this is for vaishanava bramins alone. this is inscribing the Holy Sri chakra on both your shoulders. Tamil brahmins generally do it only one in their life time. but i understand Madhwas do it many times during their life.

SIR - many persons confuse brahminsim with other religions, and try to impose practices of other religions in brahminism. brahminism is the only faith in the world which allows many forms of idolatory. non brahminst hinduism is an animist faith, worshipping trees, animals, sun, fire, moon etc.,since brahminism also worships trees, animals, sun, fire & moon, both these faiths found many similarities between them, though they differ in idol worship.
REMEMBER IT IS ALWAYS EASY TO FIND OUT NONRELIGIOUS DIFFERENCES BETWEEN VARIOUS RELIGIONS. BUT THERE ARE MORE RELIGIOUS DIFFERENCES , THAN RELIGIOUS SIMILARITIES BETWEEN VARIOUS RELIGIONS!
in orthodox hinduism, re birth is also an important belief. so all persons will be born in four different varnas during each and every birth by turn. so the supremacy advocated for brahmins is only temporary, only for the period during which he is a brahmin. in previous and next births, the same fellow would be born as a non brahmin and he will not enjoy any supremacy!!!

the constitution bans untouchability without specifying what untouchability means. untouchability is a religious term. untouchability is banned in public life in all spheres. but can any constitution or govt. ban untouchability in private life? if so all caste associations have to be banned, becase no caste association allows persons of other castes to become even members of their association! like that no women association, college allow men as even members into their association or college! should then all women's associations be banned under the pretext that they are practicising a form of untouchability? most of the persons inthe world marry only within their faith and do not like to marry a person from other faith. is this untouchability? then what does untouchability mean? if inspite of having a common god, there is discrimination between members of same faith, like black christians were tortuted in south africa, europe and usa, that is untouchability. muslims of various sects killing each other is also untouchability because they are violently attacking each other inspite of having a common god. but brahmin-non brahmin differences do not come under untouchability. right from the days of parasurama, when kashatryas tortured brahmins, brahmins & non brahmins have clashed with each other. whereas these clashes are a penal offence today, they certainly do not attract provisions of untouchability. afterall very few cases have been filed in police stations or courts accusing bramins of indulging in untouchability.
during earlier centuries, many brahmin temples were attacked and converted into non brahmin places of worship and vice versa. at one stage it was not even clear how many places of worship were original, and how many were 'converted'.it was thus decided by both brahmins & non brahmins to allow each other to visit and worship any temple. but the control of administration was not to be changed.
generally i think thereare two things which everybody should renounce.1. hatred or violence against any relgion. 2. advocating of general supremacy of one religion over another. but at the same time individuality of each relgion should be respected and persons of one religion should not try to occupy or convert or impose into places of worship of other religions. actually even if lord shiva were to come to a vaishava temple,he cannot become priest there! similarly even lord vishnu cannot become adminstrator of a saiva temple! like that even brahmins of one sect cannot become priests or administrators of temples of other brahmin sect. when there are so many restrictions on gods and brahmins, what is wrong in restricting people of other faiths. there is no untouchability in this
 
[SIR -= it is shocking to see some members of this site (fans of the kamalahaasa i suppose) suddenly 'discover' that prostitution was allowed during vedic times. this means automatically that we all are descendants of prostitutes, because our ancestors did live during vedic times.! how did moderators allow these sorts of trash to be published?

From http://hinduism.about.com/library/weekly/aa031601b.htm

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Prostitutes were very much a part of the Vedic society. They were allowed to make a living, but their lives were regulated by a code of conduct. They came to be known as 'devadasis' — the girls who were married to God in a temple and expected to spend the rest of their lives as his maid serving the men in the society.[/FONT]
 
SIR - i searched many sites like .www.samarthbharat.com and some others. the information i gathered is this about devadasis is



1. british invaded india and, introduced prostitution in a big way and opened many brothels. the british wrongly considered devadasis to be nautch girls and forced them into prostitution. since many temples were destroyed by islamic invaders, devadasis did not have any work and were subject to acute poverty. the british raped many devadasis who refused and threatened the devadasis to kill them if they spoke the truth against them. the british forced the devadasis to put the blame onbrahmin priests. fearing for life, the devadasis put the blame on brahmins, who were opposing british vigorously. the british exploited devadasis sexually and abandoned them in brothels which british were running in india. thus the british policy of divide (rape devadasis, put blame on brahmins, instigate lower castes against brahmins) and rule succeeded then and succeeds even now to the extent that some members of this site still blame brahmins for exploiting devadasis, that too by quoting lies from foreigners in florida!!!
Wikipedia says even the 'isai vellalars', the community of dmk chiefminister kalrunanidhi, are a devadasi community.
it were brahmins like raja ram mohan roy,ishwar chandra vidyasagar & dayanand saraswathi who openly advocated banning child marriage, sati, widow abuse & devadasi system. many other brahmins followed suit, many many years before the periar started vomitting his 'rational' abuses! interestingly, do you know how sati originated? when arabic muslims invade a territory, they will kill the king & then rape the women belonging to the family of the king. so to protect their chastity, the queens(most of them rajputs) used to commit suicide along the same pyre in which the king is cremated.
DO YOU KNOW HOW CHILD MARRIAGE STARTED IN INDIA? AGAIN IT IS SAID DURING ISLAMIC RULE! WHEN ISLAMIC FOREIGNERS INVADED INDIA, THEY USED TO TAKE GIRLS FROM VARIOUS PARTS TO THEIR PLACE AND MOLEST THEM. SO HINDUS MARRIED OFF THEIR GIRL CHILD AT AN EARLY AGE ITSELF, SO THAT SHE IS SENT TO HER INLAWS PLACE AND THE PARENTS ARE RELIEVED FROM THE PROBLEM OF PROTECTING HER. SINCE SHE BECAME PROPERTY OF SOMEBODY ELSE, THIS SENTIMENT WOULD BE INVOKED BY HINDUS TO PLEAD WITH THE ISLAMIC BARBARIANS TO LEAVE THE GIRL.
AS FAR WIDOW REMARRIAGE, I THINK ONLY PERSONS WHO HAVE REMARRIED WIDOWS WHO HAVE A RIGHT TO SPEAK ON THIS. PSEUDO RATIONALISTS DO NOT HAVE ANY LOCUS STANDI ON THE MATTER AT ALL. THOSE WHO HAVE GIVEN A NEW LIFE TO WIDOWS BY REMARRYING THEM SHOULD TALK ABOUT THIS IN PUBLIC. THEN THIS IDEA WOULD GAIN RESPECTABIITY. IF EVERYBODY TALKS ABOUT THIS, THE IDEA BECOMES A COMEDY!!!

AGAIN,BRAHMIN REFORMERS WERE THE FIRST TO TALK ABOUT ALL THESE AND WERE FOREMOST IN IMPLEMENTING THESE IDEALS WITHOUT ABUSING ANYBODY AND WITHOUT FUNCTIONING AS AGENTS OF THE BRITISH, LIKE THE PERIAR!!

SIR - to repent for the atrocities committed by nonbrahmins on brahmins from & during days of parasurama, non brahmins themselves, voluntarily offered women to work exclusively for temples, as a prayachitham. these devadasis were celibate dancers who throughout their lives would remain, live and serve the temples. bur islamic, british rulers destroyed the temples, leaving the devadasis without any job. so the devadasis were forced , due to poverty, to prostitution. thus it were the moghuls & british who pushed devadasis into brothels. there was no prostitution in vedic age. we should not believe the vomits of foreginers, 'rationalists' & communists in this matter, as they are prejudiced and against well known facts & truths.
 
SIR - DMK chiefminister of t.nadu karunanidhi has been caught on wrong foot yet again! he has yet again betrayied his ignorance on hinduism! the kalaignaa says the periar is a 'hindu' atheist!! hinduism is a religion. atheism is anti religion! how can a atheist be a 'hindu' ??? if you are an atheist, it means you do not have any religion. then how can a atheist be called a 'hindu'?after all if you are an atheist you are out of religion. and if you are religious, you cannot be an atheist. at this rate,.the karunanidhi may soon use following terms in his 'speeches' "

1. male mother!!
2. female father!!
3. meat eating vegetarian!!
4. rich beggar!!!
5. poor billionare!!!
6. educated illiterate!!!
7. uneducated literate!!!
8. blind sight!!!

do you have any more words like this? please inform the karunanidhi so that he can use them in his discourses on 'hinduism'!!!


sir -i think the most famous oxymoron in the world should be 'THANTHAI' PERIYAR!!!!
 
[sir - on the pretext of observing 'moharram' muslims in india are butchering animals before and after chest beating ceremony. they say they need 'energy' because when they chest beat with knives lot of blood flows out of their body! the fact that indian constitution and law emphasis on vegeteranism does not bother them at all. by the way who created these animals? did not allah? if then is not butchering a creation of allah an anti islamic act? if somebody other than allah has created these animals,then is it not tantamount to accepting that there exists an another world in this unverse independent of allah?

in brahminism and orthodox hinduism also devotees pain themselves to repent for the mistakes they could have committed in this or previous births. but they do not kill animals before, during or after the rituals on the pretext of getting back energy or blood which they had lost whilst performing the rituals. i do not see anything great in non veggies paining themselves in any manner, because in any case, before & after the pain they are going to gobble up many animals -dead of course! but for veggies to sustain so much of pain without resorting to cannibalism is really great! it is god's gift and grace!!!! (wantonly killing any live creature without any provocation is called cannibalism)
 
Sonia Maina To Say 'no' To Taslima Nasreen!!!

SIR - under violent pressure from islamic & cmmunist fundamentalists, sonia maina govt. is reported to have decided to refuse indian citizenship to revolutonary & secular, though controversial writer taslima nasreen.( read dinamlar dt. 28 01 2007, today). But, had taslima been a 'rationalist' vomitting abuses on brahminism & hinduism,the sonia maina dispensation would have conferred many national awards on her!!!
 
Save The Lord Rama Bridge!!

SIR - the dmk/upa cohorts are planning to demolish Lord rama bridge under rameswaran sea. this bridge is said to be over 18 lakh years old. NASA of america have released photos of this bridge as evidence. under pretext of building sethu samudhiram canal, the dmk/upa dispensation is reportedly trying to destroy the bridge. aiakmk chief jayalalitha has condemned the move. a case has also been registered in courts against the demolition. it is important that this bridge which is a national heritage should not be left to the mercy of the karunanidhi & his cohorts.
 
Dear suresh,

Prostitution is called as the oldest profession in the world.

Arthashastra written by kautilya talks about prostitution centers.I hope you will accept kautilya and arthashathra to be based on vedas.Even in mahabharatha, prostitution is mentioned.

Thirukural too talks about varaivin makalir or prostitutes.
 
Brahmins Say No To Lord Brahma!!

SIR - it is believed all brahmins originated from mouth of Lord brahma. but still brahmins do not worship Lord Brahma. in fact there is only one temple of Lord Brahma in the world, i think in pushkar, rajasthan. this is because, it is said, lord brahma lied to lord shiva once. so lord shiva cursed that a god who has the habit of speaking lies like lord brahma, should not be worshipped inthe world at all. so brahmins do not worship lord brahma,even though he is a brahmin.

the moral - a brahmin is one, who refuses to commit a mistake even if god asks him to do so!! a brahmin is one,who refuses to commit a mistake , even if god had committed that mistake! a brahmin is one who punishes even a fellow brahmin who has committed a mistake!!!!

READ HINDU DHARMA ,published by Alliance publishers. this book compliled by Mr. CHO RAMASWAMY, with foreword by former president of india R. venkataraman, contains the paramacharya's views on various matters concerning brahmins, orthodox hindus.
 
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sir -a film, called WATER made by a canada based indian, deepa mehta, which potrays india, hindus and brahmins in a negative manner , has been selected as a foreign entry for oscar award? why not selecte DA VINCI CODE for any award under any category? it was aesthetically made,brave, revolutionary and exposes the other shade of christ and christianity! any information from US, CANADA based members on this???

sir- once yudhisthira went round the world and came back, said that 'all persons in the world are very good and honest!' but duryodhana , who went around the world and came back said that 'all persons in the world are evil!' . similarly deepa mehta's mind & eyes are prostituted,and that is why she is seeing even orthodox widows as prostitutes! why is the sonia-maina govt. which officially and violently protested the caricaturing of arabian prophet mohammed by an unknown danish cartoonist, shutting its total system to this slanderous potrayal of indians in the film by deepa mehta????
 
Dear suresh,

Prostitution is called as the oldest profession in the world.

Arthashastra written by kautilya talks about prostitution centers.I hope you will accept kautilya and arthashathra to be based on vedas.Even in mahabharatha, prostitution is mentioned.

Thirukural too talks about varaivin makalir or prostitutes.


sir - prostitution like all evils existed right from inception of humanity. the question is not about existence of prostitution. the question is did the rulers, the vedas support prostitution ? the answer is a big no! rather, all evils including prostitution have been opposed and fought for eradication in vedic period. by the way what is prostitution? a women offering sex for money is prostitution. a women offering sex without money is not prostitution. there may have been cases in olden days when men & women in some few select cases could have had intercourse with each other without the women getting any money or material in return. this is not prostitution, though this is also immoral!!!!!!
 
sir - pls./visit www.dinamalar.com/2007jan28/general_tn2.asp.
the paper reports that prices of medicines have increased int.nadu after VAT. shortage of essential medicines also has been reported. this is because of lack of clarity, lack of knowledge about new rules and hesitation among traders to change to new rules etc. the t.nadu govt. has not done its homework properly in educating people and traders about switching to VAT. As a consquence people are suffering.

orthodox temples in kanchipuram, which are being controlled by archeological dept. of india are languishing due to neglect by concerned authorities, inspite of the fact that funds have been allocated for the temples. this news has also been published in dinamalar dt.28 01 2007
 
Will There Be Raid On K.haasa & K.balachandran!!

SIR - the places of actor turned politician vijayakant has been raided by income tax authorities on various pretexts. why have not been places of persons like the kamalahaasa, the satyarajan, k.balachandran, manirathinan, vairamuthan, vivekan, manivanna been raided by the income tax authorities? is it because these persons belong to so called 'rational' drainage??? or does that mean these fellows are so honest that they pay tax, file returns and maintain their records honestly? from their speeches and actions, it does not appear that these fellows have much respect for rule of law!!!!!!
 
[sir - in a soft porn film called THAMARAPARANI released recently an erotic song featuring the hero & heroine has its tune based on the devotional amman song 'karpoora nayagiye kanagavalli'. how did censors allow this? did the censors 'receive' anything in return for allowing this vulgar song? not surprisingly, the director of this film belongs to the k.balachander toilet!
(may be it was K.B.Chander who gave the idea of plagaraising the amman tune for this erotic song& dance sequence!) .earlier he had directed a film called SAAMY produced by the k.b.chander. this SAAMY is a vulgar,film full of navel exposure of trisha and bloody violence. remember the proverb 'guru' exceeds 'shishya'? k.b.chander's followers are all exceedingly erotic than k.b.chander himself in vulgarity!
 
why i oppose caste quotas!!

[sir - though i am a secularist, believing in separation of religion from politics & public life, i am strongly opposed to caste quotas. caste quotas are not based on any rational survey or statistics.In a country with a large area and huge rural population like india,it is not easy to conduct surveys, statistics with 100% accuracy. apologists of caste quotas argue that because of untouchability, sc , st & bc are unable to keep up with brahmins in representation in govt.jobs and education. in that case why is it that muslims, christians, jains buddhist & sikhs, who have not been subject to untouchability, are also under represented in govt. jobs and education? infact muslims & christians were ruling our country for centuries!

the truth is that except brahmins all other communities have not adopted family planning. because of this their population has increased manifold in the twentieth century. but govt. jobs and educational oppprtunities have not increased to the same extent. the population growth of non brahmins in india over past 100 yrs. has been so high that govt. jobs and educational opportunities have not been able to correspondingly increase to that levels! so comparitively, it looks as though non brahmins are under represented in govt.jobs and educations. but it is not so. again, the truth is that the population growth of non brahmins is so high that their representation in govt. jobs and educational spheres looks relatively low. whereas for brahmins,their population has been decreasing day by day when compared to non brahmins, that even the smaller representation they have in govt. jobs& educational institutions looks higher.

sir- most of my views are inferences drawn after reading, seeing, hearing and talking to many sources. inferences do not need proof or evidences!!!
 
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sir - prostitution like all evils existed right from inception of humanity. the question is not about existence of prostitution. the question is did the rulers, the vedas support prostitution ? the answer is a big no! rather, all evils including prostitution have been opposed and fought for eradication in vedic period. by the way what is prostitution? a women offering sex for money is prostitution. a women offering sex without money is not prostitution. there may have been cases in olden days when men & women in some few select cases could have had intercourse with each other without the women getting any money or material in return. this is not prostitution, though this is also immoral!!!!!!

sir- remember, today many actresses, even those beloning to 'rational' parties act in many films, dramas,t.v. serials with many heroes in love, romance scenes, and they are paid money for that. that does not mean these actresses are women of shady characters!!!!!
 
Dear Suresh:
I suspect you are reading in between the lines! Some people have written to me to stop you from posting trash, too!!! Calm down and take things in jest! I am sure the so-called kamalahasan fans are not inferring anything like we are descendants of prostitutes!!

Instead of wasting our energy on these silly stuff, I think we should start looking at the bigger things - such as organizing ourselves into a more viable organization, contribute, donate and help out our less fortunate members.

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[N. Suresh <<SIR -= it is shocking to see some members of this site (fans of the kamalahaasa i suppose) suddenly 'discover' that prostitution was allowed during vedic times. this means automatically that we all are descendants of prostitutes, because our ancestors did live during vedic times.! how did moderators allow these sorts of trash to be published?>>
 
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Fresh look at things

You have hit the nail on the head by asking everyone ignore silly stuff and to start looking at the bigger things. Even if the bulk of tamil movies show trash and crass vulgarity, nothing stops decent people including TAMBRAMS to make/direct oscar calibre movies matching their highest standards of moral and ethical life. So, let not delve too much into the acts and omissions of few cine stars and politicians. Anyone in these two professions has to kowtow to market demands which include profanity, vulgarity and pappan bashing etc.
 
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