Hinduism Vs Rest

[NARAS]

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[SIR - in tamil films nowadays, there is a superstition that if you show brahmins (especially women) in poor light, the film will be a big hit! do you know how this superstition started? the kamalahaasa, in his film AVVAI SHANMUGI, showed brahmins (particularly women) in poor light, and 'somehow' got the film 'certified' and the movie was a big hit! since then the practice of showing brahmins in poor light atleast in one song or scene is continuing - in violation of censor regulations and rule of law!!!

 

[NARAS]

[SIR - i do not think prostitution was sanctioned during vedic times by vedic religion and rulers. was this forum started to propagate these sort of views? i do not think this forum can be organised into a more viable organisation by throwing mud on the vedic religion!

 

[NARAS]

[sir - though i am a secularist, believing in separation of religion from politics & public life, i am strongly opposed to caste quotas. caste quotas are not based on any rational survey or statistics.In a country with a large area and huge rural population like india,it is not easy to conduct surveys, statistics with 100% accuracy. apologists of caste quotas argue that because of untouchability, sc , st & bc are unable to keep up with brahmins in representation in govt.jobs and education. in that case why is it that muslims, christians, jains buddhist & sikhs, who have not been subject to untouchability, are also under represented in govt. jobs and education? infact muslims & christians were ruling our country for centuries!

the truth is that except brahmins all other communities have not adopted family planning. because of this their population has increased manifold in the twentieth century. but govt. jobs and educational oppprtunities have not increased to the same extent. the population growth of non brahmins in india over past 100 yrs. has been so high that govt. jobs and educational opportunities have not been able to correspondingly increase to that levels! so comparitively, it looks as though non brahmins are under represented in govt.jobs and educations. but it is not so. again, the truth is that the population growth of non brahmins is so high that their representation in govt. jobs and educational spheres looks relatively low. whereas for brahmins,their population has been decreasing day by day when compared to non brahmins, that even the smaller representation they have in govt. jobs& educational institutions looks higher.

sir- most of my views are inferences drawn after reading, seeing, hearing and talking to many sources. inferences do not need proof or evidences!!!

SIR - CASTE QUOTAS also encourage religiious conversions and infiltration from across the borders. because since muslims are also included under quotas, they are encouraged to convert people of other religions into their fold, promising that 'if you become a muslim, you will get govt. benefits!'
since more numbers means increase in quotas, muslims feel encouraged to include even infilatrators from across the borders into their fold to boost their numbers!!

 

[NARAS]

Minority Vs Majority

SIR - CASTE QUOTAS also encourage religiious conversions and infiltration from across the borders. because since muslims are also included under quotas, they are encouraged to convert people of other religions into their fold, promising that 'if you become a muslim, you will get govt. benefits!'
since more numbers means increase in quotas, muslims feel encouraged to include even infilatrators from across the borders into their fold to boost their numbers!!

SIR - apologists of caste quotas argue that since the so called sc/st & bc form a 'majority', there interests should take precedence over the interests of others! as mahatma gandhi once said it is like a person 6 ft. tall saying to a person of 4 feet that 'irrespective of whether i am right or wrong, i should always prevail over you, because i am 2 feet taller than you!' in a democracy, even majority viewpoint is subject to constitutional approval and accordance of rule of law, morals and truth.

 

[NARAS]

SIR - MOST OF THE SO CALLED 'ATHEISTS' & 'RATIONALISTS' ARE VERY RICH FELLOWS. SO IT IS NOT SURPRISING THEY DO NOT NEED THE SUPPORT OF GOD AT ALL. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE BRAHMINS, MANY OF WHOM ARE POOR OR BELONG TO MIDDLE CLASS? WHOM DO THEY HAVE FOR SUPPORT IN THE WORLD, EXCEPT GOD?????

sir - if you analyse carefully, you will find that almost all of the so called 'rationalists' are rabid non veggies! is non vegeteranism giving them the strength and arrogance to live without belief or support of god. of course, many devotees are also non veggies. that is not the point. my point is almost..almost close to 99.99% of so called 'atheists' & 'rationalists' are certainly rabid...rabid meat eaters!!!!!!

 

[silverfox]

Dear Suresh:

You have attained the 'senior member' status by your prolific postings!!

 

[NARAS]

'FILM CENSORSHIP BECOMES NECESSARY BECAUSE A FILM MOTIVATES THOUGHT & ACTION & ASSURES A HIGH DEGREE OF ATTENTION & RETENTION AS COMPARED TO THE PRINTED WORD. THE COMBINATION OF ACT AND SPEECH, SIGHT & SOUND IN SEMI DARKNESS OF THE THEATRE WITH ELIMINATION OF ALL DISTRACTING IDEAS WILL HAVE A STRONG IMPACT ON THE MINDS OF THE VIEWERS & CAN AFFECT EMOTIONS. THEREFORE, IT HAS AS MUCH POTENTIAL FOR EVIL AS IT HAS FOR GOOD AND HAS AN EQUAL POTENTIAL TO INSTILL OR CULTIVATE VIOLENT OR GOOD BEHAVIOUR. IT CANNOT BE EQUATED WITH OTHER MODES OF COMMUNICATION. CENSORSHIP BY PRIOR RESTRAINT IS, THEREFORE NOT ONLY DESIRABLE, BUT ALSO NECESSARY'

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sir - what i have quoted above are the views of supreme court about film censorship. so instead of tearfully and pathetically justifying porn masalas , apologists of tamil films in this forum would do well to understand that cinema in india is subject to court restrictions, censor regulations and rule of law. violation of these norms is also a penal offence. remember an enquiry is going on against a porn director called s.j.suryan for publicising nude pictures on posters against censor rulings. so you cannot film anything on the pretext of kowtowing to market demands!!!!!

 

[lotus_quartz]

Trash it!

Congrats on becoming a 'Senior Member'. It must have taken one hell of an effort to reach to this status.

Probably, my previous post has been wrongly taken as apology on tamil films. I do not watch tamil movies and thererfore am not an authority on tamil movies.

However, what has been observed over the past 30-40 years in Bollywood is that good quality movies are becoming rare, most of the movies are churned out by masala makers who want to make a fast buck and anything which panders to the taste of tapori class public is mass produced and the formula is repeated ad-nauseum till some other formula clicks with the public.

I still feel that if TAMBRAM socity could provide 2 out of 5 nobel laureates from India (C.V.Raman, S.Chandrasekhar, Tagore, Mother Teresa & Amartya Sen), why not some creative TAMBRAM direct an oscar class movie picturising Brahminical Lifestyle or any issue which portrays brahmins in a positive light? If such movie gets the first Oscar to India, imagine the political implications of such a move!

Meanwhile, I noticed that a big issue has been made out of vegetarianism/non-vegetarianism. Eating habits are essentially private affairs of individuals and the wisdom lies in evaluating a person or a community based on their talents, capabilities and achievments and not based on what they consume to remain alive. There is pressing need for TAMBRAMS to realign themselves in modern world by dis-associating with conservative parts of their tradition which does not stand up to scientific & rational scrutiny.

'FILM CENSORSHIP BECOMES NECESSARY BECAUSE A FILM MOTIVATES THOUGHT & ACTION & ASSURES A HIGH DEGREE OF ATTENTION & RETENTION AS COMPARED TO THE PRINTED WORD. THE COMBINATION OF ACT AND SPEECH, SIGHT & SOUND IN SEMI DARKNESS OF THE THEATRE WITH ELIMINATION OF ALL DISTRACTING IDEAS WILL HAVE A STRONG IMPACT ON THE MINDS OF THE VIEWERS & CAN AFFECT EMOTIONS. THEREFORE, IT HAS AS MUCH POTENTIAL FOR EVIL AS IT HAS FOR GOOD AND HAS AN EQUAL POTENTIAL TO INSTILL OR CULTIVATE VIOLENT OR GOOD BEHAVIOUR. IT CANNOT BE EQUATED WITH OTHER MODES OF COMMUNICATION. CENSORSHIP BY PRIOR RESTRAINT IS, THEREFORE NOT ONLY DESIRABLE, BUT ALSO NECESSARY'

sir - what i have quoted above are the views of supreme court about film censorship. so instead of tearfully and pathetically justifying porn masalas , apologists of tamil films in this forum would do well to understand that cinema in india is subject to court restrictions, censor regulations and rule of law. violation of these norms is also a penal offence. remember an enquiry is going on against a porn director called s.j.suryan for publicising nude pictures on posters against censor rulings. so you cannot film anything on the pretext of kowtowing to market demands!!!!![/quote]

 

[NARAS]

Congrats on becoming a 'Senior Member'. It must have taken one hell of an effort to reach to this status.

Probably, my previous post has been wrongly taken as apology on tamil films. I do not watch tamil movies and thererfore am not an authority on tamil movies.

However, what has been observed over the past 30-40 years in Bollywood is that good quality movies are becoming rare, most of the movies are churned out by masala makers who want to make a fast buck and anything which panders to the taste of tapori class public is mass produced and the formula is repeated ad-nauseum till some other formula clicks with the public.

I still feel that if TAMBRAM socity could provide 2 out of 5 nobel laureates from India (C.V.Raman, S.Chandrasekhar, Tagore, Mother Teresa & Amartya Sen), why not some creative TAMBRAM direct an oscar class movie picturising Brahminical Lifestyle or any issue which portrays brahmins in a positive light? If such movie gets the first Oscar to India, imagine the political implications of such a move!

Meanwhile, I noticed that a big issue has been made out of vegetarianism/non-vegetarianism. Eating habits are essentially private affairs of individuals and the wisdom lies in evaluating a person or a community based on their talents, capabilities and achievments and not based on what they consume to remain alive. There is pressing need for TAMBRAMS to realign themselves in modern world by dis-associating with conservative parts of their tradition which does not stand up to scientific & rational scrutiny.





sir - what i have quoted above are the views of supreme court about film censorship. so instead of tearfully and pathetically justifying porn masalas , apologists of tamil films in this forum would do well to understand that cinema in india is subject to court restrictions, censor regulations and rule of law. violation of these norms is also a penal offence. remember an enquiry is going on against a porn director called s.j.suryan for publicising nude pictures on posters against censor rulings. so you cannot film anything on the pretext of kowtowing to market demands!!!!!

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sir - very pleasing to know that you do not see tamil films! keep it up! i only emphasised the point that most tamil films potray brahmins offensively(especilly women) glorify violence and titillate audience by explicit vulgarity- all in blatant violation of court rulings, censor regulations & well established rule of law. most violators are so called 'TAMBRAM' SOCIETY filmmakers like k.haasa, k.b.chander, manirathinan, crazy mohan, sujatha etc., (these fellows are 'brahmins' by 'birth') in 'connivance' with non brahmin & anti brahmin censor officials.

eating habits are private affairs in other parts of the world. but not in india! we have a constitution, a penal code which bans injuring, killing animals. vegeteranism is conservative, rational & scientific.

 

[NARAS]

SIR - the dmk/upa cohorts are planning to demolish Lord rama bridge under rameswaran sea. this bridge is said to be over 18 lakh years old. NASA of america have released photos of this bridge as evidence. under pretext of building sethu samudhiram canal, the dmk/upa dispensation is reportedly trying to destroy the bridge. aiakmk chief jayalalitha has condemned the move. a case has also been registered in courts against the demolition. it is important that this bridge which is a national heritage should not be left to the mercy of the karunanidhi & his cohorts.

sir - Lord Rama has saved this bridge from dmk fascism - but only temporarily. let us all pray to Lord Rama to save this bridge permanently from 'rational' vandals & goons. this is a heritage of india dating to more than 18 lakh years.
pls. visit http://www.dinamalar.com/2007jan30/general_tn20.asp
for more details!

 

[NARAS]

sir - of the 7 major religions n the world- hinduism, jainism, sikhism,buddhism, jewism, christianity & islam- the dmk chiefminister of t.nadu believes in almost 7 religions - i.e. all except hinduism! but he still 'boasts' that he is a 'rationalist'! how can a persons who believes in 85% of religions be called a 'rationalist'?????

funnily, he says he believes in both 'islam' & christianity, though even these2 religions are themselves opposed to each other!!!!!! islam emphasis on shapeless god, whilst christianity eulogises potraits of christ!

it was during mogul rule that untouchability came to existence in india. before that there were differences between various followers of various gods, but the enimity never took the shape of untouchability. there was a code of eating dead animals only in those days. animals were not killed for human consumption as this was considered an offence in all ways. but the moghuls, rabid meat consumers, introduced the barbaric practice of murdering animals for human consumption, and this was naturally followed by non brahmins, as people generally tend to follow rulers in many matters. this led to non brahmins being ostracised leading to untouchability. ironically this is the religion which the 'rationalists' are celebrating as a faith 'free from the evils of untouchability'

(GANDHIJI'S writings have been compiled in a book called 'WHAT IS HINDU DHARMA'. this book published by govt. of india mentions about clashes between brahmins & non brahmins due to the latter's insistence on meat consumption and the resultant division in hinduism and india)

 

[NARAS]

sir - in our culture,a women inherits the caste, sect , gothram of her husband. so the late great m.s.subbulakshmi, though born a non brahmin, married a brahmin and lived the life of a brahmin.so my humble opinion is that she should be considered a brahmin.

 

[NARAS]

eating habits are private affairs in other parts of the world. but not in india! we have a constitution, a penal code which bans injuring, killing animals. vegeteranism is conservative, rational & scientific.

sir - do you remember sage dronacharya cutting thumb of ekalavya?? this was because ekalavya was a non veggie! so the strength of ekalavya was artificial , not natural. if such a person defeats arjuna, a veggie, then meat eating would prevail over vegeteranism, leading to people resorting to meat consumption. to prevent this, dronacharya had to punish ekalavya! this incident only highlights the emphasis brahminism places on vegeteranism. even if a brahmin consumes meat, he would have had to face the same punishment in those days.!!![/quote]

 

[gopalaswamy]

Jaya Jaya Sankara, Dear Sir , Let us not look into oyhrt peoples act. we , hindus, brahmins have to concentrate that we should at least put vibuti/namam asit may be. even this we are not doing. What is needed is essential is Uniform civil code. Let every one one have have their code with in their home, community but in public life let us all ensure we follow a cde .If we acheve this even if 100 religions are practised in home amd community, we will have unity of Bharat, unity of Hindus, other sects. then only wecan have a stuggle free life to one and all.

 

[gopalaswamy]

Well said

 

[NARAS]

[sir - when gods are riducled by 'rationalists' morethan god, it is the devotees who get upset..

sir- when mother sita was defamed by 'rationalists' in a song inthe film periar, more than mother sita it is devotees who were wounded. now the dmk fascists are pouring acid on the wounds by beginning to demolish the Lord Rama bridge, discovered by NASA to be almost 17 lakhs years old. again, more than Lord Rama , the devotees of Lord Rama are wounded. the Lord Rama bridge is an international heritage. when all over the world, environmentalists are campaigning and striving for safeguarding various heritage sites, here a govt. is hell bent on destroying an international symbol of indian heritage. the only democratic course left for us is to go to the courts. a case has been filed in the courts and one hopes the courts bring to halt this barbaric demolition. where are the 'secularists' like 'the hindu' who chest beated , wailed & quailed when babri building was demolished in ayodhya in 1992? why are environmentalists in india shutting their mouth? what happened to human rights' campaigners' who demonstrate demonously even for trivials? the devotees' heart is like a flower. it should be respected and not trampled upon, particularly by governments. it were the courts who prevented damage to tajmahal. they should act fast in this case also, and prevent dmk cohorts from carrying out their nefarious acts.

 

[NARAS]

M.s.subbulakshmi Vs Sonia!!!

sir - in our culture,a women inherits the caste, sect , gothram of her husband. so the late great m.s.subbulakshmi, though born a non brahmin, married a brahmin and lived the life of a brahmin.so my humble opinion is that she should be considered a brahmin.

Sir - a few years ago, i was discussing about politics with a non brahmin neighbour. suddenly he told me that 'm.s.subbulakshmi was a keep of nehru'. i could understand the he was speaking basing on the presumption that Shrimathi.m.s.subblakshmi was a brahmin! i told him that m.s.subbulakshmi was a non brahmin! he was shocked. i explained to him that it was only after marrying a brahmin named sadasivam that m.s. subbulakshmi came to be identified as a brahmin. i asked whether this 'affair' with nehru could have been before her marriage, when she was a non brahmin. he did not say 'yes', because that would mean he was accepting that a non brahmin women had an affair with a brahmin man!

i diverted the topic by pointing out that after marrying rajiv, sonia maina gandhi's fortunes improved by leaps and bounds! from being an ordinary unknown italian waitress, she has now become the defacto prime minister of india! i also pointed out to him that, on the contrary, rajiv's fortunes nosedived after this marriage with sonia! he lost his brother, sister in law, mother, and, he himself was mercilessly assasinated at a very young age! i asked him whether sonia had proved to be unlucky for rajiv and a curse for the nehru family , because, the nehru family's fortunes have hit rockbottom ever since sonia entered the nehru household! sanjay gandhi died, maneka gandhi walked out of the family, and, then indira gandhi & rajiv gandhi were assasinated at a time when they could have lived for many more years.i also asked him if sonia could prove to be equally unlucky for congress & india
my neighbour's eyes & cheeks became red. he said that this was superstitious.i told him that what he said about m.s.subbulakshmi was an unsubstantiated rumour. but what i said about sonia were inferences based on facts and truths.
I also told him that sonia escaped death inspite of being very near to indiragandi, when indira was assasinated. sonia was not thrown out of nehru household like maneka gandhi was. i also told him that she again escaped from the jaws of death by not accompanying rajiv to sriperumbudur, though she normally travels with rajiv whereever he goes.
I also told him that i did not agree with linking the misfortunes of the nehru family to sonia's entering the nehru household. this ended the discussion. but the neighbour's contempt for even a great, non controversial person like m.s.subbulakshmi, just because she is a brahmin , shows how the minds of non brahmins in india have been poisoned & polluted by 'rationalists'!

 

[NARAS]

sir- when mother sita was defamed by 'rationalists' in a song inthe film periar, more than mother sita it is devotees who were wounded. now the dmk fascists are pouring acid on the wounds by beginning to demolish the Lord Rama bridge, discovered by NASA to be almost 17 lakhs years old. again, more than Lord Rama , the devotees of Lord Rama are wounded. the Lord Rama bridge is an international heritage. when all over the world, environmentalists are campaigning and striving for safeguarding various heritage sites, here a govt. is hell bent on destroying an international symbol of indian heritage. the only democratic course left for us is to go to the courts. a case has been filed in the courts and one hopes the courts bring to halt this barbaric demolition. where are the 'secularists' like 'the hindu' who chest beated , wailed & quailed when babri building was demolished in ayodhya in 1992? why are environmentalists in india shutting their mouth? what happened to human rights' campaigners' who demonstrate demonously even for trivials? the devotees' heart is like a flower. it should be respected and not trampled upon, particularly by governments. it were the courts who prevented damage to tajmahal. they should act fast in this case also, and prevent dmk cohorts from carrying out their nefarious acts.

sir - the biggest strength of an orthodox muslim is his belief in violence. he resorts to violence to eliminate his opponents. the biggest strength of a christian is his belief in money power. he resorts to money power to convert his opponent to his fold. but the biggest strength of brahminism is in PRAYER. so let us all unitedly pray to god that the holy Lord Rama bridge is saved from demolition at the ugly hands of 'rationalists'

 

[NARAS]

the father figures(!) of marxism - and of rationalism- both were uneducated. what a coincidence!

sir - not only the father figures of 'rationalism' but even prominent followers of 'rationalism' like the M. Karunanidhi, the k.haasa, the satyaraaja all are also 'highly' 'educated' persons! a remarkable coincidence!!!

 

[NARAS]

SIR - Today is a holiday for my office due to bakrid and new years day -both of whom i have never celebrated and never will- although i greet people on this occassion. i take this free time to record my views on MGR.

MGR was not even born in india. he was not even a tamil. he was a malayalee. he was uneducated. he did not have a big family with 4 wives, numerous sons, daughters, in laws, relatives just like some'rational' politicians have. he was not very rich either because he used to donate to the poor - even without much publicity. so the money he earned did not remain with him completely. he did not have the support of tamil and english media just like some 'tamizhina thalaivargal' . the only source of support he had was his fans, volunteers of his party and the poor people of t.nadu. he was shot dead by a 'rational' actor M.R. Radha in 1967 and although he survived, this attack reduced his lifetime and he died in 1987, when he could easily have lived for many more years considering that he was a teetotaller without even a single bad habit. his administrative record as chiefminister was not the best. but he was a neutral person who did not publicly loathe any religion, caste or community. he did not suffer from any inferority complex like some 'social justice saviours', that he was a non brahmin. he showed remarkable will power in escaping death when he was shot at in 1967. may his soul rest in peace.

sir - though Late MGR also got identified with the 'rationalist' toilet, he never abused brahmins or hindus the way the karunanidhi has done and is doing. MGR fans whom i met say this is because of the influence of MGR'S mother, annai sathya on MGR. annai sathya was such a chaste, divine, cultured and god fearing women that MGR also developed these qualities. it is because of this mother that MGR was never as ill mannered as the karunanidhi is against bramins and hindus!!!!!!

 

[NARAS]

sir - it seems even the baba is not in a position to walk comfortably without support. then why he took the pains of personally going to see the muthuvelar at the latter's decision is a mystery! may even in this condition, the baba is physically more energetic than the dmk chiefminister of t.nadu!!!!!

sir - the dmk govt. of t.nadu has asked for funds & help from the baba for cleaning river cooum in chennai. rivers in chennai can be cleaned. but can the politics of t.nadu, which is dirtier than river cooum, be cleaned by anybody??????impossible!!!!!!!!!

 

[NARAS]

sir - do you remember sage dronacharya cutting thumb of ekalavya?? this was because ekalavya was a non veggie! so the strength of ekalavya was artificial , not natural. if such a person defeats arjuna, a veggie, then meat eating would prevail over vegeteranism, leading to people resorting to meat consumption. to prevent this, dronacharya had to punish ekalavya! this incident only highlights the emphasis brahminism places on vegeteranism. even if a brahmin consumes meat, he would have had to face the same punishment in those days.!!!

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sir - also always keep in mind that there are many substances like steroids which are banned from consumption in olympics and many other international events, though they are allowed during normal times,
the logic being that these substances give an unfair advantage to the consumer by mulitiplying his strength artificially. consumption of these durgs above certain levels is also not good for health, as it will lead to many side effects. non vegeterian food also comes under the same category. remember that you consume durgs, tablets , medicines only on prescription of a physician, that too only when you are not well. meat is like medicine. it should be consumed only once in a while. if all cannibals in the world reduce their intake of meat accordingly , there would be no need to kill animals at all! are non veggies listening?

 

[NARAS]

sir - the bottomline is that there are religious, casteist, national, rational, logical, practical, moral, spiritual, philosophical, medical, scientific, international,legal, reasons as to why humans should necessarily be vegeteranians!!!!!

 

[rxrajamo]

Suresh

What !!! How do you know Arjuna was a veggie and Ekalavya was not ?
Being a veggie or not is an individual's choice and that has nothing to do with his character. Many bengali brahmins eat meat. So does that make them not brahmins ?

BTW, Jainism has much stricter implementation on not killing other living beings even insects. Let us not try to judge people by what they eat.

Why dont we stop this vegetarian or not discussion and try to focus on matters that help our community.

Ramki

sir - do you remember sage dronacharya cutting thumb of ekalavya?? this was because ekalavya was a non veggie! so the strength of ekalavya was artificial , not natural. if such a person defeats arjuna, a veggie, then meat eating would prevail over vegeteranism, leading to people resorting to meat consumption. to prevent this, dronacharya had to punish ekalavya! this incident only highlights the emphasis brahminism places on vegeteranism. even if a brahmin consumes meat, he would have had to face the same punishment in those days.!!!

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[silverfox]

Dear Suresh:

Echoing Ramki, I think it is time for you to stop writing about veggei vs. non-veggie, which many members think has reached a point, it is no longer welcome. Please, I am asking you to stop posting on this topic. It seems you are obssessed with this topic!

I would love for you to write on how you and I could proactively work to help our community.

p.s. Arjuna was a Shaktriya and so he ate meat.