Hinduism Vs Rest

[NARAS]

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Suresh sir,

Not that i am a great fan of Valentine's day, but i would like to point out the fact that "Every day" in India (world ?) bears testimony to some one's suffering at the hands of fundamentalist elements.

First we had 9/11, then came 7/7, then came 7/11....i mean at this rate we will not have any day left which doesn't ring a bell in our mind about someone's suffering.

As i said i am NOT defending celebration of Valentine's day (i don't care whether it is celebrated or not, especially when i don't have a valentine of my own !) but the point i am coming to is as a nation we have FAILED in honouring the memory of the deceased by NOT apprehending the culprits. Even if we do so, before even our judicial system comes to a conclusion on the section under which the culprit has to be tried, it will be easily 10 years from the date of the crime. Whither justice ?

Remembrance, Candle lighting, Day observance - all is fine, but the real homage would be bring the perpetretors to the book.

I am ashamed at the lack of political will in India to defend itself !!!

sir - yes=i agree that the best , real & only homage to innocent victims of terrorism is to bring culprits to book. even after 9 yrs. cannibal madhani, who masterminded coimbatore blasts, killing hundreds of innocent tamils, has not been convicted. the dmk govt. of t.nadu continues to give VIP treatment to madhani out of tax payers money!! when we have these sort of govts. & these types of chiefministers, should not people be more vigilant & exert more pressure on these types of politicians? observing feb.14 as anti terrorrist day by various means would be a way of putting
pressure on the polity & remind society of the barbaric murders. instead of drinking alcohol & discharging saliva on seeing female skin, on the pretext of celebrating valentine's day, youngsters of our country would do well to think about other things which happened on feb.14 which has & will affect the day to day life of indians in all ways. MOREOVER VALENTINE'S DAY CAME TO INDIA ONLY AFTER COIMBATORE BLASTS OF FEB.14 1998. SO THE MEMORY OF THE BLASTS SHOULD TAKE PRECEDENCE OVER VALENTINE'S DAY 'CELEBRATIONS'!!

 

[hariharan1972]

Couldn't agree with you more

when we have these sort of govts. & these types of chiefministers, should not people be more vigilant & exert more pressure on these types of politicians? observing feb.14 as anti terrorrist day by various means would be a way of putting pressure on the polity & remind society of the barbaric murders.

I completely agree with you on the failure of the indian governance (if any) to function as a State which is firm on dealing with fundamentalist elements. Having failed in it's duty to protect the citizens, the least that could be expected is that the long arm of the law would net the fundamentalists. But alas, here again the failure has been complete.

Though i agree with you on people exerting pressure on governments, i am doubtful of the "sustenance of such pressure". Afterall, everyone has an "yadartha vazhkai" to which he or she should return. Toeing a different line, i am forced to think What sort of Government is it which needs exertion of pressure from the citizens to take action against a 'Crime against the State' ?

I feel the media has a big role to play here. The media has shown a stark preference to pursue ONLY high profile cases for justice - Jessical Lal, Matoo, Katara, Ananth (Adobe). It doesn't care much about the mass murders committed in the name of religion by fundamentalists. Media looks for 'sensationalism' everywhere.

Worst is the 'glorification' which happens whenever a terror strike happens in India. Words like "resilience", "spirit of the city", "cowardly act", "will not cow down", "will win the war against terror" are pulled out of the closet, 2 / 3 talk shows & debates are organized ,Home minister makes a dash to the place of incident, Sonia Gandhi would make a flying visit, Opposition will call for resignation of the Govt, Govt will say don't politicise the issue, CBI inquiry will be demanded, 1000 people will be 'rounded up' for questioning & then...everything is back to normal.

I agree with you on the failure of the governance but not sure what more the people could do since any amount of pressure exerted is clearly not cutting ice with the Govt.

Regarding your point on "Valentine's day", i agree that this has been the creation of perhaps the last decade. With high disposable incomes in some sections of the society, Companies are vying with each other to create more & more such days. This is only going to increase.

Don't be surprised that in the years to come, we could have a "Turpentine Day" celebrating the invention of "turpentine". Companies would offer a free bottle with purchase > Rs. "X" & there will be serpentine queues to grab the offer.:rockon:

 

[NARAS]

I completely agree with you on the failure of the indian governance (if any) to function as a State which is firm on dealing with fundamentalist elements. Having failed in it's duty to protect the citizens, the least that could be expected is that the long arm of the law would net the fundamentalists. But alas, here again the failure has been complete.

Though i agree with you on people exerting pressure on governments, i am doubtful of the "sustenance of such pressure". Afterall, everyone has an "yadartha vazhkai" to which he or she should return. Toeing a different line, i am forced to think What sort of Government is it which needs exertion of pressure from the citizens to take action against a 'Crime against the State' ?

I feel the media has a big role to play here. The media has shown a stark preference to pursue ONLY high profile cases for justice - Jessical Lal, Matoo, Katara, Ananth (Adobe). It doesn't care much about the mass murders committed in the name of religion by fundamentalists. Media looks for 'sensationalism' everywhere.

Worst is the 'glorification' which happens whenever a terror strike happens in India. Words like "resilience", "spirit of the city", "cowardly act", "will not cow down", "will win the war against terror" are pulled out of the closet, 2 / 3 talk shows & debates are organized ,Home minister makes a dash to the place of incident, Sonia Gandhi would make a flying visit, Opposition will call for resignation of the Govt, Govt will say don't politicise the issue, CBI inquiry will be demanded, 1000 people will be 'rounded up' for questioning & then...everything is back to normal.

I agree with you on the failure of the governance but not sure what more the people could do since any amount of pressure exerted is clearly not cutting ice with the Govt.

Regarding your point on "Valentine's day", i agree that this has been the creation of perhaps the last decade. With high disposable incomes in some sections of the society, Companies are vying with each other to create more & more such days. This is only going to increase.

Don't be surprised that in the years to come, we could have a "Turpentine Day" celebrating the invention of "turpentine". Companies would offer a free bottle with purchase > Rs. "X" & there will be serpentine queues to grab the offer.:rockon:

SIR - not only 'turpentine' day, at this rate we could well be having 'karphazhippu' day i.e. rape day exclusively for rapists soon in india!!!

VALENTINE'S DAY HAS RELEVANCE ONLY FOR CATHOLIC CHRISTIANS. VALENTINE HAS ALWAYS BEEN A CONTROVERSIAL , CONFUSED PERSON. IT IS SAID VALENTINE IS A 'PRIEST' WHO FELL IN LOVE WITH A GIRL! SHOULD NOT PRIESTS BE CELIBATE? WHAT SORT OF A PRIEST IS THIS VALENTINE? THE 'LEGEND' OF VALENTINE IS MURKY & NOT WORTH EMULATING OR CELEBRATING! IT IS SURPRISING TO SEE SO MANY INDIANS CELEBRATE THIS NONSENSE!!! IT SEEMS WE HAVE TO BELIEVE WHATEVER THE CHRISTIANS SAY RIGHT FROM ARYAN INVASION THEORY TO 'VIRGIN' MOTHER MARY 'THEORY'!!!
pls. go to http://www.history.com/minisites/valentine/viewPage?pageId=882

 

[NARAS]

sir - whilst talking about 'rationalists' it is very difficult not to mention about max mueller. this max mueller should be called the father of 'rationalists' because it was he who invented the theory of 'aryan invasion'!! the irony is that, the only basis for max mueller to arrive at this conclusion was that many bramins whom he saw were very fair!! seeing this wheatish complexioned bramins,the mueller came to the conclusion that these fellows must be descendants of white europeans! the irony here is that, mueller initially was so impressed by the bramins' culture & complexion that he thought he was convinced bramins were descendants of europeans! but after seeing many black & brown complexioned bramins, he got confused! and then he dropped that whole 'finding' that bramins descended from europeans like a hot potato!!!

funnily, this 'finding' was picked up by 'rationalists' from the trash, and led to now being accepted as an 'important' event in 'history'!!!!

sir - it is said at one point of time, bramins did not actually oppose the british very harshly. in fact bramins were even supportive british. during that time british did not indulge in too many atrocities on indians. moreover the choice before bramins was british or moghuls? it was between devil & deepsea! since british were relatively better, bramins chose them. british also needed bramins to run administration of the country. so british actually eulogised bramins at one stage even calling bramins as descendants of europeans! but after some time british showed their true colors, trying to expand & colonise the entire country. they resorted to numerous atrocities during this period, and naturally bramins were in forefront of opposition to british barbarism. frustrated at this spirited opposition, the british tortured bramins and also suddenly took a u turn and started potraying bramins as 'foreigners' & 'invaders'!!!

The bramin life was mostly based in temples, around temples, on temples, about temples etc., but the muslim & british invaders destroyed the temples and with it temple life also was destroyed. thus there was no choice for many bramins, who had to start looking for jobs outside temples. thus, it were nonbramins who forced the bramins out of temples. now these same non bramins in the guise of 'rationalists' are asking 'should not bramins look after temples alone as per vedas?' & 'bramins should not look for jobs outside temples etc.,' surprisingly even some 'bramins' are saying this!!!

 

[hariharan1972]

What is MK's stance on death sentence now ?

M K who stoicly defended Afzal's right to live after he was awarded capital punishment - will be interesting to know his views after death penalty has been awarded to 3 ADMK men for their gruesome act of killing 3 innocent girls.

Possible escape route for MK would be :

"Andru yenakku kidaitha thagaval, apsalai thookil ida povadhaga sonnargal....nan yenna ninaithen yendral avvalavu periya uruvathai eppadi murukku, seedai matrum thattai pottu vaikkum thookil idak koodum...adhu manidha urimaigalai meerum seyal allava yendre naan yen yedirppai therivithen. indru anbu thambi dayanidhi adhu palagaram pottu vaikkum thokkalla uyirai maikkum thookku yendru thelivu paduthiullar.....

"yenave inthiya otrumaikkum, iraiyaanmaikkum kundagam vilaivikkum aa thee mu kaa vinarodu apsalaiyum thokkil idumaru mathiya sarkkarai naan kettu kolgiren"

 

[murali]

hari,
kudos from your fan

 

[NARAS]

M K who stoicly defended Afzal's right to live after he was awarded capital punishment - will be interesting to know his views after death penalty has been awarded to 3 ADMK men for their gruesome act of killing 3 innocent girls.

Possible escape route for MK would be :

"Andru yenakku kidaitha thagaval, apsalai thookil ida povadhaga sonnargal....nan yenna ninaithen yendral avvalavu periya uruvathai eppadi murukku, seedai matrum thattai pottu vaikkum thookil idak koodum...adhu manidha urimaigalai meerum seyal allava yendre naan yen yedirppai therivithen. indru anbu thambi dayanidhi adhu palagaram pottu vaikkum thokkalla uyirai maikkum thookku yendru thelivu paduthiullar.....

"yenave inthiya otrumaikkum, iraiyaanmaikkum kundagam vilaivikkum aa thee mu kaa vinarodu apsalaiyum thokkil idumaru mathiya sarkkarai naan kettu kolgiren"

SIR - i do not think he will support death penalty for afzal in anycase, for the simple reason that afzal is a muslim! remember this govt.gave & is reportedly still giving VIP TREATMENT out of tax payers money to cannibal madhani who masterminded coimbatore blasts in 1998, murdering hundreds of innocent civilian tamils. may be the aiadmk goons who have been awarded death penalty should scream in public like the muthuvelar did in 2001 when he was arrested by police like -

AIYOO! KOLRANGA!! AIYYAYOO!!!KONNUTTANGALEE!!! AIYAIYAIYAIYAIYOO!!! KOLAI PANNITTANGALLEE!!!!!!!

KOLAI PANRANGO!!!! KONUTTANGO!!!!

 

[NARAS]

sir - it is said at one point of time, bramins did not actually oppose the british very harshly. in fact bramins were even supportive british. during that time british did not indulge in too many atrocities on indians. moreover the choice before bramins was british or moghuls? it was between devil & deepsea! since british were relatively better, bramins chose them. british also needed bramins to run administration of the country. so british actually eulogised bramins at one stage even calling bramins as descendants of europeans! but after some time british showed their true colors, trying to expand & colonise the entire country. they resorted to numerous atrocities during this period, and naturally bramins were in forefront of opposition to british barbarism. frustrated at this spirited opposition, the british tortured bramins and also suddenly took a u turn and started potraying bramins as 'foreigners' & 'invaders'!!!

The bramin life was mostly based in temples, around temples, on temples, about temples etc., but the muslim & british invaders destroyed the temples and with it temple life also was destroyed. thus there was no choice for many bramins, who had to start looking for jobs outside temples. thus, it were nonbramins who forced the bramins out of temples. now these same non bramins in the guise of 'rationalists' are asking 'should not bramins look after temples alone as per vedas?' & 'bramins should not look for jobs outside temples etc.,' surprisingly even some 'bramins' are saying this!!!

SIR - 'Rationalists' are saying that the very fact that people are suffering is an indication that there is no god. my question is , if everybody in the world becomes an 'atheist' or 'rationalist' & does not believe in god anymore, is there any guarantee that there will be no more suffering????????

 

[NARAS]

sir - it is said at one point of time, bramins did not actually oppose the british very harshly. in fact bramins were even supportive british. during that time british did not indulge in too many atrocities on indians. moreover the choice before bramins was british or moghuls? it was between devil & deepsea! since british were relatively better, bramins chose them. british also needed bramins to run administration of the country. so british actually eulogised bramins at one stage even calling bramins as descendants of europeans! but after some time british showed their true colors, trying to expand & colonise the entire country. they resorted to numerous atrocities during this period, and naturally bramins were in forefront of opposition to british barbarism. frustrated at this spirited opposition, the british tortured bramins and also suddenly took a u turn and started potraying bramins as 'foreigners' & 'invaders'!!!

The bramin life was mostly based in temples, around temples, on temples, about temples etc., but the muslim & british invaders destroyed the temples and with it temple life also was destroyed. thus there was no choice for many bramins, who had to start looking for jobs outside temples. thus, it were nonbramins who forced the bramins out of temples. now these same non bramins in the guise of 'rationalists' are asking 'should not bramins look after temples alone as per vedas?' & 'bramins should not look for jobs outside temples etc.,' surprisingly even some 'bramins' are saying this!!!

SIR - an elderly bramin whom i know has been suffering from diabetes for past 6-7 yrs. this has not only affected his normal life, but also financially it has led to some problems as he has to shell out more money for medicines, tablets etc., his diet also has been restriced leading to mental frustration. but a bigger problem is that now two types of foods have to be cooked - one for others & one for this person who cannot take foods with sugar , salt content. many dishes which members of his family were cooking before have been either stopped or reduced because the elderly member of the family cannot eat those dishes due to his present diabetic condition! cooking two types of foods takes more time , consumes more energy and is relatively more costly too! remember the old adage - HEALTH IS WEALTH! if only this elderly person had been healthy, this problem would not have been there in the family at all!!!

 

[NARAS]

sir - it is said at one point of time, bramins did not actually oppose the british very harshly. in fact bramins were even supportive british. during that time british did not indulge in too many atrocities on indians. moreover the choice before bramins was british or moghuls? it was between devil & deepsea! since british were relatively better, bramins chose them. british also needed bramins to run administration of the country. so british actually eulogised bramins at one stage even calling bramins as descendants of europeans! but after some time british showed their true colors, trying to expand & colonise the entire country. they resorted to numerous atrocities during this period, and naturally bramins were in forefront of opposition to british barbarism. frustrated at this spirited opposition, the british tortured bramins and also suddenly took a u turn and started potraying bramins as 'foreigners' & 'invaders'!!!

The bramin life was mostly based in temples, around temples, on temples, about temples etc., but the muslim & british invaders destroyed the temples and with it temple life also was destroyed. thus there was no choice for many bramins, who had to start looking for jobs outside temples. thus, it were nonbramins who forced the bramins out of temples. now these same non bramins in the guise of 'rationalists' are asking 'should not bramins look after temples alone as per vedas?' & 'bramins should not look for jobs outside temples etc.,' surprisingly even some 'bramins' are saying this!!!

SIR -THESE LETHAL , HEARTLESS NON BRAMINS!!!
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Some non bramins, particularly in t.nadu are so heartless & lethal, they never help bramins! in the office where i am working apart from myself, there is only 1 more bramin. all others are non bramins. there is a nonbramin with a body as strong as the china wall and he is as tall as a girafee. he will help his fellow non bramins in any matter, but will never help me even in case of exigency! there is one more bramin, as fat as a pregnant pig! this fatty inspite of being a bramin(?) openly eats meat and flirts most of the time with non bramins! fortunately, due to god's grace, i have survived the onslaught of these goons!!!!!!

 

[hariharan1972]

Peter Maama & Susheela Maami

Wondering who they are ? They are the characters created by Dinakaran to discuss all political gossip in the mid section of the newspaper.

The gossip is written in unadulterated brahmanical language.

Wonder why they couldn't be called as some nadar, chettiar, mudaliar or any of the other castes ? Why the gossip can't be written in kovai, madurai or nellai tamizh ?

Even for gossip monging, they need brahmin heads to roll !!!!!

Perhaps this is what MK means by opposing brahmanism & not brahmins ? eh ?

 

[hariharan1972]

Thani manidha ozhukkam - need of the hour !

SIR - 'Rationalists' are saying that the very fact that people are suffering is an indication that there is no god. my question is , if everybody in the world becomes an 'atheist' or 'rationalist' & does not believe in god anymore, is there any guarantee that there will be no more suffering????????

I heard someone saying about how 'shoe' was invented.

In those days when everyone was barefoot, there was a king who set out for game hunting. Enroute he stumbled on many pebbles, stamped on many thorns etc.. that he severely bled in his feet.

Enraged, he ordered that all the animals in his kingdom be killed, de-skinned and the leather rolled as a carpet all along the way.

The wise minister suggested that instead of killing so many animals to carpet the way, he suggested to the King as to how he could use a small part of the leather to cover his feet so that he has no problem walking anywhere.

This is how the concept of wearing shoe began, i was told.

I don't know how far this is true, but it drives home a critical message that : Don't expect the world to change for you, why don't you try changing ?

So instead of worrying about whether there is God or should believers be worshipping, the "rationalists" would very well be advised to "wear their shoes" and do their bit to mitigate the suffering of people.

Whether one believes God or not, the need of the hour is for everyone of us to maintain very high degree of honesty & dignity in our personal conduct.

 

[NARAS]

Wondering who they are ? They are the characters created by Dinakaran to discuss all political gossip in the mid section of the newspaper.

The gossip is written in unadulterated brahmanical language.

Wonder why they couldn't be called as some nadar, chettiar, mudaliar or any of the other castes ? Why the gossip can't be written in kovai, madurai or nellai tamizh ?

Even for gossip monging, they need brahmin heads to roll !!!!!

Perhaps this is what MK means by opposing brahmanism & not brahmins ? eh ?

SIR - even weekly magazines called 'Devi' & 'kungumam' are publishing gossips under the name of 'maama' & 'maami'. in a way there is nothing to be surprised about this. after all what else can you expect from yellow journals? that too those associated with 'rationalists'???

 

[NARAS]

I heard someone saying about how 'shoe' was invented.

In those days when everyone was barefoot, there was a king who set out for game hunting. Enroute he stumbled on many pebbles, stamped on many thorns etc.. that he severely bled in his feet.

Enraged, he ordered that all the animals in his kingdom be killed, de-skinned and the leather rolled as a carpet all along the way.

The wise minister suggested that instead of killing so many animals to carpet the way, he suggested to the King as to how he could use a small part of the leather to cover his feet so that he has no problem walking anywhere.

This is how the concept of wearing shoe began, i was told.

I don't know how far this is true, but it drives home a critical message that : Don't expect the world to change for you, why don't you try changing ?

So instead of worrying about whether there is God or should believers be worshipping, the "rationalists" would very well be advised to "wear their shoes" and do their bit to mitigate the suffering of people.

Whether one believes God or not, the need of the hour is for everyone of us to maintain very high degree of honesty & dignity in our personal conduct.

sir - i remember the karunanidhi once ridiculed that if you say 'i am a believer in god' many times in english i.e. 'naan aathigan' then it will sound like 'i am an atheist' i.e.'naan naathigan'. its true! if you project yourselves as 'I" i.e. 'naan' it will lead to this confusion! but instead of 'naan' if you say 'naangal' i.e. 'we' then there will be no scope for these types of confusions!!!

 

[NARAS]

sir - i remember the karunanidhi once ridiculed that if you say 'i am a believer in god' many times in english i.e. 'naan aathigan' then it will sound like 'i am an atheist' i.e.'naan naathigan'. its true! if you project yourselves as 'I" i.e. 'naan' it will lead to this confusion! but instead of 'naan' if you say 'naangal' i.e. 'we' then there will be no scope for these types of confusions!!!

sir -now, coming to my favourite topic vegeteranism!. in 2003, the karunanidhi opposed vegeteranism as an 'aryan' practice! it is a well accepted & proven fact that vegetarians are always generally non violent than non veggies. of course it is possible that some non veggies could be non violent also. but this is inspite of meat eating, not because of it! it would require herculean effort on the part of meat eaters to keep themselves non violent! i suspect they may have to do lot of yoga, meditation and the likes! even then, i do not think all of them can become non violent! only a select few at the most. these persons are exceptions, not the rule!!!!!!

 

[NARAS]

sir -now, coming to my favourite topic vegeteranism!. in 2003, the karunanidhi opposed vegeteranism as an 'aryan' practice! it is a well accepted & proven fact that vegetarians are always generally non violent than non veggies. of course it is possible that some non veggies could be non violent also. but this is inspite of meat eating, not because of it! it would require herculean effort on the part of meat eaters to keep themselves non violent! i suspect they may have to do lot of yoga, meditation and the likes! even then, i do not think all of them can become non violent! only a select few at the most. these persons are exceptions, not the rule!!!!!!

sir - now coming to my 2nd most favourite topic - orthodox priesthood! in orthodox temples only orthodox bramins are allowed as priests. 'rationalists' are wailing that this is discriminatory. as has been mentioned in this forum so many times- there r 2 types of orthodox temples - saiva temples & vaishnava temples. in saiva temples, even Lord vishnu cannot enter sanctum sanctorum! even vaishnava bramin priests & bramin devotees cannot enter sanctum sanctorum! like that in vaishnava temples, even saiva bramin devotees, saiva bramin priests, why even Lord shiva cannot enter sanctum sanctorum! so the motive of founders of these tenets is not discriminatory, because in that case they would not have restricted even bramins !!! it is only to emphasise independence & individuality of the particular sect within the premises of the temple. this is not discriminaton at all!!!!

 

[lotus_quartz]

Dear Sir,
Your efforts to propogate orthodox brahminism, vegetarianism and to condemn non-vegetarianism is assuming proportions of obsessive compulsive disorder. While everyone has a right to speak what they feel as right or feel strongly about, I feel that you are devoting a disproportionately large fraction of your intellectual faculties to criticize non-vegetarianism at the cost of several other issues which merit your attention and need your skillful analysis.

sir - now coming to my 2nd most favourite topic - orthodox priesthood! in orthodox temples only orthodox bramins are allowed as priests. 'rationalists' are wailing that this is discriminatory. as has been mentioned in this forum so many times- there r 2 types of orthodox temples - saiva temples & vaishnava temples. in saiva temples, even Lord vishnu cannot enter sanctum sanctorum! even vaishnava bramin priests & bramin devotees cannot enter sanctum sanctorum! like that in vaishnava temples, even saiva bramin devotees, saiva bramin priests, why even Lord shiva cannot enter sanctum sanctorum! so the motive of founders of these tenets is not discriminatory, because in that case they would not have restricted even bramins !!! it is only to emphasise independence & individuality of the particular sect within the premises of the temple. this is not discriminaton at all!!!!

 

[NARAS]

sir - now coming to my 2nd most favourite topic - orthodox priesthood! in orthodox temples only orthodox bramins are allowed as priests. 'rationalists' are wailing that this is discriminatory. as has been mentioned in this forum so many times- there r 2 types of orthodox temples - saiva temples & vaishnava temples. in saiva temples, even Lord vishnu cannot enter sanctum sanctorum! even vaishnava bramin priests & bramin devotees cannot enter sanctum sanctorum! like that in vaishnava temples, even saiva bramin devotees, saiva bramin priests, why even Lord shiva cannot enter sanctum sanctorum! so the motive of founders of these tenets is not discriminatory, because in that case they would not have restricted even bramins !!! it is only to emphasise independence & individuality of the particular sect within the premises of the temple. this is not discriminaton at all!!!!

sir - there is a main difference between a bramin & a non bramin. whereas for a bramin it is compulsory to believe, follow & respect orthodox hindu traditions, for a non bramin all these things are voluntary! a bramin who does not follow, believe or respect orthodox tenets became a non bramin the very next second! so there is no question of a bramin not following, respecting or believing orthodox religion, because he was out of the religion if he refuses to follow, believe or respect traditions!

this is the main reason why bramins were permanently appointed as priests in orthodox temples. moreover bramins were totally depended on temples for their livelihood, unlike other castes. so they were given total control of temples, because they had no other place to go. they also had to live a life of pure vegetarian, teetotaller, respect, belief & adhere to temple values, to continue to remain in temples. but after muslims & british destroyed temples, the life of bramins changed, and they also had to go in search of jobs outside temples. but even today, there are many priestly families whose life is totally dependant on temples. where will they go if their monopoly is plucked? what is the need to do so? even founding fathers of indian constitution did not try to do this. even supreme courts have ruled that there is nothing unconstitutional in bramins being appointed as priests in orthodox temples permanently, as there is no casteist discrimination involved in this, because even bramin gods, priests, devotees are restricted n temples in many ways, beyond a point!!!

 

[NARAS]

sir - i remember the karunanidhi once ridiculed that if you say 'i am a believer in god' many times in english i.e. 'naan aathigan' then it will sound like 'i am an atheist' i.e.'naan naathigan'. its true! if you project yourselves as 'I" i.e. 'naan' it will lead to this confusion! but instead of 'naan' if you say 'naangal' i.e. 'we' then there will be no scope for these types of confusions!!!

sir - the karunanidhi reserves his abuses, advices and ridicule only for bramins, not for others. in christianity it is said, mother of jesus , mary was a virgin! it is spritually possible, but is it scientifically possible in those days, that a women, whose hymen was not penetrated by a man could become pregnant without copulation? will the muthuvelar have the courage to talk about this? i tolerate the belief of christians about mary being a virgin. I respect the sentiments of christians in this matter, even though christians generally do not respect sentiments of bramins in any matter. i accept the right of christians to have this belief in a secular country. but my question is why are 'rationalists' totally silent on this issue????

 

[NARAS]

sir - the karunanidhi reserves his abuses, advices and ridicule only for bramins, not for others. in christianity it is said, mother of jesus , mary was a virgin! it is spritually possible, but is it scientifically possible in those days, that a women, whose hymen was not penetrated by a man could become pregnant without copulation? will the muthuvelar have the courage to talk about this? i tolerate the belief of christians about mary being a virgin. I respect the sentiments of christians in this matter, even though christians generally do not respect sentiments of bramins in any matter. i accept the right of christians to have this belief in a secular country. but my question is why are 'rationalists' totally silent on this issue????

sir - some persons are saying that we must try to mend the 'rationalists' and 'convert' them as 'devotees'! but i do not think this is possible ! remember,a dog's tail can never , ever be set erect!!!!

 

[NARAS]

sir - some persons are saying that we must try to mend the 'rationalists' and 'convert' them as 'devotees'! but i do not think this is possible ! remember,a dog's tail can never , ever be set erect!!!!

sir - 'rationalists' are wailing that in orthodox hinduism persons are reciting & believing in many verses without knowing the exact meaning of this. actually in orthodox hinduism, it is not meaning but sound which is more important. if you recite these verses with the proper sounds it creates positive vibrations in your body! of course, if you know the meaning all the more good. but even otherwise it is the sound which matters, not meaning!!!!

speaking about meaning & language, i think central govt. should declare TELUGU AS A CLASSICAL LANGUAGE. the t.nadu govt. would also do well do declare telugu as one of its official languages. telugu is a beautiful, classical, old language. bharathiyar called it 'sundara' telugu. The Thyagaraja Kirtanas are enough to prove the greatness of telugu!!! SOME PEOPLE BELIEVE TELUGU IS AS OLD AS SANSKRIT!!!

 

[hariharan1972]

Why ?

in 2003, the karunanidhi opposed vegeteranism as an 'aryan' practice!

Pray why then Dravida Mr M K is on a veggie diet now ?

 

[hariharan1972]

OCD or RSI

Dear Sir,
Your efforts to propogate orthodox brahminism, vegetarianism and to condemn non-vegetarianism is assuming proportions of obsessive compulsive disorder.

If not OCD, i suspect if Suresh continues this for long, "Vegetarianism" itself may suffer from RSI - Repetitive "Stress" Injury....

Adutha matterukku vanga Suresh sir !!! We want our "Tendulkar" to play on other fast, bouncy tracks too !!!

 

[silverfox]

MR.Karunanidhi, a Vegerarian?

Pray why then Dravida Mr M K is on a veggie diet now ?

I am being flippant here! (I am bored!!), is this a fact? If so, why did he become a vegetarian?

Inquiring minds want to know!!!

 

[NARAS]

Pray why then Dravida Mr M K is on a veggie diet now ?

sir- even 'WIKIPEDIA' says karunanidhi is a vegetarian! that too for many years! i think it should be for health reasons , more than anything else!!! i do not think the fellow is a person who subscribes to the humane logic behind vegeteranism! in fact apart from his diet, in all other aspects he is a non veggie!!!!!!!!!