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sir - sathi was glorified with the motive of projecting how a woman sacrifices her life instead of compromising with her chastity. this does not mean all women should commit sati after their husbands die!!!

if dalits, muslims suffered so much, why is it that fathers of indian constitution gave caste quotas only for 10 yrs, that too only in some select govt. jobs & educational spheres,that too only for sc/st and not for muslims? if the 'sufferings' of 'dalits' and muslims were so horrible, i am sure the founders & fathers of indian constitution would have been much much more liberal in awarding quotas. the very fact that they have been so strict in quota allocation, shows that even they did not subcribe to the viewpoint of 'rationalists'! at least they did not agree that a revenge should be taken by govt.!!!

whatever christians have achieved is because of govt.support by ways of quotas & various other concessions, whereas whatever brahmins have achieved is without any govt. support. you cannot compare both of them! christians are like beggar depending on govt. support, whereas brahmins are standing on their own feet inspite of governmental oppression!!

in other religions , explanation for suffering is that god is 'testing' the devotee! as Dr. arun shourie has said , what sort of god is he who having created man, is busy 'testing' him with sufferings??? in orthodox hinduism, explanatio for suffering is that it is not testing, but punishment for sins committed in this & previous births!! the punishment will be reduced if you repent! but it cannot be waived totally! even god is helpess in this matter! this 'lollipop' is common to all castes- including brahmins!!!

untouchability is banned in public life only. in private life, nobody can force 'rationalism' on you. can anybody say for example that a brahmin boy should marry only a girl of other caste & not a brahmin??? impossible!!!

sir - the main reason why the so called 'oppressed' castes are struggling to get govt. jobs & educational seats on merit is because of english usage! most of these 'oppressed' castes are not well versed in english and naturally are kept of out jobs & educational seats which require english knowledge! switching over to mother tongue education is only way to abolish caste quotas perhaps! why not also declare Hindi in roman script as official language of india???

a person wanted her wife to deliver a male child. but his wife delivered a female! what should he do?should he go for a sex change operation on his child and change the sex of the child??!! will it not look absurd if he tries to do so? like that, if you are born as a non bramin , you should not go for a caste change! you should think it is god's will that you are born in this varna in this birth! in your previous birth, you may well have been a brahmin! or in your next birth you could well be a bramin!!!

abrahamic religions like islam and christianity say even if a person is evil, if he belongs to our religion, or converts to our religion, then it is ok! but even a mahatma of other religions is an infidel for us!! but in brahminism, you can be a brahmin only by birth! there is no scope for conversion from other faiths to brahminism, and because of this, brahmins have never altered demography of any country in the world! bramins have also not tampered with beliefs of other faiths, because generally bramins do not worship gods of other faiths!
brahmins are normally non violent, tolerant & peace loving because of being pure vegetarians!!!
 
I have already expressed my opinion else where on this site that I prefer saying my prayers in silence and in solitude and that interpreters and middlemen of God do not figure any where in the list of people I resepct or admire.

The issue being discussed (on temple priests qualification) is not whether or not priests stand before God and the common man. Hinduism is not catholicism, where the priest is the middleman between god and man, and 'delivers' the common man to God. The option to pray/medidate in solitude to attain salvation, or the path of dyana yoga, is well accepted in hinduism. Other routes are bhakti and karma, which also do not necessarily entail a priest's intervention. The role of the priest is mainly to clarify and guide where the common man needs guidance and clarification. Unlike in Christianity, there is nothing in Hinduism that says weekly temple visit is mandatory and those who don't make their weekly appearance are bad hindus. The debate is over the rights of priests in temples to follow a particular way of life or lifestyle that is perceived to be most conducive for spiritual upliftment.
 
There are a number of good websites that provide information on hinduism, scriptures, history, social issues, etc. that provide valuable background information for those who want to know more about hinduism, hindu society, history, culture and hindu way of life. A sample of them below:

http://www.hinduwisdom.info/introduction_to_hinduism.htm : one of the best and most extensive websites on hindu philosophies, hindu culture, hindu society -status of women, caste system, etc.

http://www.kamakoti.org/http://www.kanchiforum.org/forum/ : dedicated to advaitha philosophy and has extensive write-ups on the vedas.


There are also a number of forums that have discussions on various issues related to contemporary hindu society.

www.india-forum.com/forums : has a very large and extensive repository of articles, news items, scholarly works, and other information collected over the years on the various topics - caste system, quota politics, government policies relating to hindus, evangelical activities, islam terrorism, hindu renaissance, etc

http://www.kanchiforum.org/forum/
 
abrahamic religions like islam and christianity say even if a person is evil, if he belongs to our religion, or converts to our religion, then it is ok! but even a mahatma of other religions is an infidel for us!! but in brahminism, you can be a brahmin only by birth! there is no scope for conversion from other faiths to brahminism, and because of this, brahmins have never altered demography of any country in the world! bramins have also not tampered with beliefs of other faiths, because generally bramins do not worship gods of other faiths!
brahmins are normally non violent, tolerant & peace loving because of being pure vegetarians!!!

Read what ambedhkar says about non-violent,tolerant and vegetarian hindus.

உலகில் உள்ள கொடூரமான மக்களில் இந்துக்கள்தான் முதலிடம் வகிக்கிறார்கள். இந்துக்களின் சொல்லும் செயலும் வேறுவேறாக இருக்கிறது. இவர்களின் நாவிலே ராமனும் கையிலே கூர்வாளும் வைத்திருக்கிறார்கள். இந்துக்கள் சாதுக்களைப் போல் பேசுவார்கள். ஆனால், கொலை பாதகர்களைப் போல் நடந்து கொள்வார்கள்.
அந்த வகையில், இந்துக்களின் பார்வையில் மட்டும் நாம் கீழான மக்கள் அல்ல; இந்துக்கள் நம்மை நடத்தும் நிலை, நம்மை இந்தியா முழுவதும் கீழானவர்களாகப் பார்க்க வைக்கிறது. இந்த வெட்கக் கேடான நிலையில் இருந்து நாம் விடுபட வேண்டும் எனில், இந்தக் கசடுகளை அகற்றி நம் வாழ்க்கையை அர்த்தமுள்ளதாக மாற்ற ஒரே ஒரு வழிதான் உள்ளது. அது என்ன? இந்து மதத்தாலும் இந்து சமூகத்தாலும் பூட்டப்பட்டுள்ள இரும்பு வேலிகளைத் தகர்த்தெறிய வேண்டும்.

ஒரு பொருளின் சுவையை மாற்றலாம். ஆனால், விஷத்தை அமிர்தமாக்க முடியாது. சாதிகளை ஒழிப்பது என்பது, நஞ்சை அமிர்தமாக்குவதற்கு ஒப்பானது. சுருக்கமாகச் சொன்னால், ஒரு மனிதனை இன்னொரு மனிதன் தொழுநோயாளியைப் போல் நடத்த அறிவுறுத்தும் ஒரு மதத்தில் இருக்கும்வரை, சாதியால் நம் மனதில் ஆழமாக நிலை நிறுத்தப்பட்டிருக்கும் வேறுபாடுகள் ஒரு போதும் அழியாது.

மதம் என்றால் என்ன? அது தேவையா? "மக்களை ஆள்வதே மதம்'. மதத்திற்கான உண்மையான பொருள் இதுதான். இந்து சமூகத்தில் தனி மனிதனுக்கு இடமில்லை. இந்து சமூகம் வகுப்புவாத அடிப்படையில் நிறுவப்பட்டுள்ளது. ஒரு தனி மனிதன் இன்னொரு தனி மனிதனுடன் எப்படி நடந்து கொள்ள வேண்டும் என்று இந்து மதம் கற்றுக் கொடுப்பதில்லை. என்னைப் பொருத்தவரை, ஒரு தனி மனிதனை அங்கீகரிக்காத மதத்தை ஏற்க இயலாது.


ஒரு தனி மனிதனை மேம்படுத்த மூன்று காரணிகள் தேவை: 1. இரக்கம் 2. சமத்துவம் 3. சுதந்திரம். இந்து மதத்தில் இம்மூன்றில் ஏதாவது ஒரு அம்சமாவது இருப்பதாக நீங்கள் அனுபவ ரீதியாக சொல்ல முடியுமா? தீண்டாமையைவிடக் கொடிய, சமத்துவத்திற்கு எதிரான தன்மையை மனித இன வரலாற்றிலேயே காண முடியாது.

periyar says

கிராமங்களில் சாதி ஒழிய வேண்டுமென்றால் கணக்குப் பிள்ளை வேலையைப் பறையனுக்கு கொடுக்க வேண்டும்; மணியம் வேலையைப் பள்ளர், சக்கிலி ஆகியவர்களுக்குக் கொடுக்க வேண்டும். கணக்குப் பிள்ளையாகப் பார்ப்பானும் முதலியும், மணியமாகப் பிள்ளையும், கவுண்டனும் இருப்பதால் தான் அங்கே இருந்து சாதி உரிமை தோன்றுகிறது. ஆனதனாலே ஒரு திட்டம் போட வேண்டும். கணக்குப் பிள்ளை, மணியம் வேலைகளை அப்படி ஒதுக்கி வைக்க வேண்டும். அப்படிச் செய்தால் எப்படிச் சாதி உணர்ச்சி இருக்கும்? அதேமாதி கான்ஸ்டேபிள், எட்கான்ஸ்டேபிள், சப்இன்ஸ்பெக்டர் வேலைகளையும் பறையனுக்கு, பள்ளனுக்கு, சக்கிலிக்கு கொடுக்க வேண்டும். இப்படியெல்லாம் செய்தால், சமுதாயத்தில் சாதித் திமிர் ஒழிந்துவிடும்.

அப்படிக்கு இல்லாமல் சாதியே ஒழிய வேண்டுமென்று சொல்லும் வார்த்தையில் அர்த்தமில்லை. அவர்களுக்கு இன்று ஜட்ஜ் வேலை கொடுக்க வில்லையா? ஜில்லா கலெக்டர் வேலை கொடுக்க வில்லையா? மந்திரி வேலை கொடுக்கவில்லையா? அதில் எல்லாம் என்ன ஓட்டை கண்டார்கள்? ஏதோ பொறுக்கித் தின்கிற வேலையாக இருந்தாலும், அவர்கள் பொறுக்குவதை இவர்கள் பொறுக்கித் தின்றுவிட்டுப் போகிறார்கள். இதில் என்ன அதிகத் தவறு? சாதி ஒழிய வேண்டுமென்றால் அரசாங்கம் என்ன செய்தால் ஒழியுமோ, அதைத் துணிச்சலோடு செய்ய வேண்டும். கோயில் பூசாரி வேலையைக்கூட பறையனுக்கே கொடுக்க வேண்டும்; எவனாவது சாமி கும்பிட மாட்டேன் என்றால் கும்பிடாமல் போகட்டுமே.
 
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a person wanted her wife to deliver a male child. but his wife delivered a female! what should he do?should he go for a sex change operation on his child and change the sex of the child??!! will it not look absurd if he tries to do so? like that, if you are born as a non bramin , you should not go for a caste change! you should think it is god's will that you are born in this varna in this birth! in your previous birth, you may well have been a brahmin! or in your next birth you could well be a bramin!!!

Again I have to quote Ambedhkar on this.

இந்தியாவில் ஒருவனுடைய பிறப்பே அவனை ஆளும் வர்க்கமாக மாற்றுகிறது
உண்மையில், உலகின் பிற நாடுகளில் ஆதிக்க வகுப்பினர் வகிக்கும் நிலைக்கு மாறுபட்டதொரு நிலையை, இந்தியாவிலுள்ள ஆதிக்க வகுப்பினர் வகித்து வருகிறார்கள். இதில் எள்ளளவும் அய்யமில்லை. பிற நாடுகளில் ஆதிக்க வகுப்பினருக்கும், மற்றவர்களுக்கும் இடையே நிலவுவது அதிகப் பட்சம் பிரிவினை; இரு சொற்களைப் பிரித்துக் காட்டுவதற்கு "ஹைபன்' என்னும் கோடு போடுகிறோமே அது போன்றது இது. ஆனால், இந்தியாவிலோ, இவ்விரு தரப்பினருக்குமிடையே வானெட்டும் ஒரு தடைச்சுவரே எழுந்து நிற்கிறது. "ஹைபன்' என்பது பிரிவினை மட்டும்தான்; ஆனால், தடுப்பு என்பதோ நலன்களும், உணர்ச்சி ஒருமைப்பாடும் முற்றிலும் துண்டிக்கப்பட்ட ஒன்று.

மற்ற நாடுகளில் ஆதிக்க வர்க்கம் தொடர்ந்து அதிகரிக்கப்பட்டே வருகிறது. அவர்கள் அந்த வர்க்கத்தில் ஏற்கெனவே இடம் பெறாதவர்கள். ஆனால், அதற்கு இணையாக உச்ச நிலையை அடைந்திருப்பவர்கள்; இப்போது இதில் இணைத்துக் கொள்ளப்படுகின்றனர். ஆனால், இந்தியாவில் உள்ள ஆதிக்க வகுப்பினர், மற்றவர்களுக்கு கதவை ழுவதுமாக மூடிவிட்ட அமைப்பினராவர். அந்த வகுப்புக்குள் பிறக்காத எவரும் அதில் அனுமதிக்கப்படுவதில்லை. இந்த வேறுபாடு மிகவும் முக்கியமானது. ஆதிக்க வகுப்பு எங்கு ஒரு குறிப்பிட்ட பகுதியினருக்கு மட்டுமே உரித்தானதாக இருக்கிறதோ, அங்கு பாரம்பரியம், சமூக சித்தாந்தம், சமூகக் கண்ணோட்டம் உடைபடாதவையாகவே இருக்கும். முதலாளிகளுக்கும் அடிமைகளுக்கும், சலுகை பெற்றவர்களுக்கும் சலுகை பெறாதவர்களுக்கும் இடையேயான வேறுபாடு வடிவத்தில் மாறாததாகவும், சாரம்சத்தில் வலிமைமிக்கதாகவும் இருந்து வரும்.

 
Ambedhkar was deeply hurt by casteism.He converted to buddhism with hundreds of thousands of dalits.If you read the writings of abmedhkar you will feel the hurt and pain which he endured.

Let us learn from our mistakes.Let us destroy casteism and make sure that another ambedhkar and periyar are not created by our society.

Hinduism cannot survive as long as casteism survives.Casteism has to be uprooted and destroyed totally inorder for hinduism to survive.
 
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Dear Goundamani:
I whole-heartedly agree with you on eradicating all castes.
Suresh:
I hope you are not offended by what I am going to post: You have some weird ideas of Hindu religion, castes, brahmins! You say that God is Brahmin, nobody can convert to brahmin; one has to be born into it; you fault all the ills of the world to somebody being a non-vegetarian.....; you seem to think that there is a distinct religion called Brahminism, different from Hindu religion. the list goes on.
 
Freedom

Phrases like destroy castes, destroy religions, destroy class etc are kind of pointless. Instead, I would subscribe to the view that freedom and equal opportunity are most important. What is really the issue is for everyone to be able to freely practice whatever they want and believe whatever they want in their own private life or groups. However, when it comes to public life, in terms of public facilities, public places of worship, education, jobs etc, everyone should be treated equally. This is one reason why Western countries are considered good places to live in nowadays.
 
sir - if ambedhkar and periyar are so great why should anybody say 'another ambedkar or periyar should not be created'? this fear of ambedkar & periyar shows that they are not great leaders, but evil forces! to know about ambedkar read WORSHIPPING FALSE GODS BY DR. ARUN SHOURIE. ambedkar & periyar abused even gandhiji and supported british rule. and these 2 are 'reformers'!!!! and those who pen hosannas to these 'reformers' are 'progressives'!!!

the whole world knows that orthodox hinduism, brahminism & may be jainism are the only vegetarian ideologies in the world. all other religions say 'god created everything' but at the same time permit meat eating! if god created everything, then he must have created animals also! is it not a sin to murder a living creature in the name of god, just to fill up your stomach??? was not this poor creature also created by god himself???

i am not saying there is a brahmin religion now. i am only saying THERE WAS A BRAHMIN RELIGION IN INDIA MANY CENTURIES AGO!!!

casteism cannot be uprooted in a democratic country, because in a democracy a person is 100% free to practice casteism in his private life!!! it is 'rationalism' which has to be uprooted first!!!

i am only a follower and disciple of brahminism. the points mentioned in this forum are not my personal views at all - these are all habits, practices followed since centuries by bramins all over the world since centuries!!!!!!
 
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sir - apologists of reservation are saying'how can castes oppressed for centuries suddenly acquire merit?' reminds me of a man who was
about to be married saying 'how can i suddenly get married? . i do not have any previous experience!!' if these castes where 'oppressed' for so many centuries, the founding fathers of our constitution would have been very liberal in awarding caste quotas. but indian constitution permits quotas only for sc/st (not for BCs, chritians, muslims!) that too only for 10 years and that too only in some govt.jobs & some educational spheres! this nails the lie of 'rationalists' and their 'apologists' that many castes were 'oppressed' for centuries!!!!!!

the bottom line is that there are many things in the world which a person has to do by himself. others cannot evenhelp indirectly. like for example, becoming a father! in a country where 95 % of population lived in rural areas,
(and almost 70%still live in rural areas as per latest census report)
and were not dependent on govt.jobs or educations, to award quotas on basis of caste that too permanently and for a percentage well in excess of persons competing for the vancancies, is the most foolish thing to do! many castes were not able to acquire merit because the members of these castes where based predominantly in rural areas, and thus were kept out of modern education & govt. jobs. quotas encourage laziness & mediocrity. quotas discourage merit. quotas bring disinterested persons into jobs, whereas interested persons are kept out. moreover when people of all castes pay taxes,, what right do these 'rationalists' have to keep away tax payers from govt. jobs & education which are running out of tax payers money?
caste quotas also violate basic structure of indian constitution which proclaims equality for all before law, irrespective of caste and religion.
quotas force people to migrate from rural to urban areas in search of jobs. quotas bring disinterested women into jobs, whereas interested men are kept out!

if you want to take revenge upon bramins, do it out of your own money! you do not have right to misuse public funds & tax payers money for settling personal scores!!! how can govts. force colleges found by persons out of their own money to follow govt. policy of caste quotas???

i am also a pro-reservationist. do you know how? i support 100% reservation for MERIT in jobs and education!!!!!


sir- in1950s, the nefarious nehru introduced a provision in indian constitution called ninth schedule, by which even anti constitutional laws can be included in constitution- by simply inserting these anti constitutional clauses in this 9th schedule! it is said even courts cannot intervene or interfere in this 9th schedule! not surprisingly, the first & foremost provision in the 9th schedule is caste quotas! the very fact that caste quotas have been included in the 9th schedule clearly proves that caste quotas are unconstitutional!

when caste quotas were quashed by courts,a drama was enacted by nehru. first there was violent revolt all over the country orchestrated by 'rationalists'! then using this revolt as a excuse & out of fear, the nefarious 9th schedule was misused to include the caste quotas in it by nehru. though since then many persons have been knocking at the doors of the courts, not even single 'judge' has struck down this 9th scheule in its entirety!
 
sir - if ambedhkar and periyar are so great why should anybody say 'another ambedkar or periyar should not be created'? this fear of ambedkar & periyar shows that they are not great leaders, but evil forces! to know about ambedkar read WORSHIPPING FALSE GODS BY DR. ARUN SHOURIE. ambedkar & periyar abused even gandhiji and supported british rule. and these 2 are 'reformers'!!!! and those who pen hosannas to these 'reformers' are 'progressives'!!!

the whole world knows that orthodox hinduism, brahminism & may be jainism are the only vegetarian ideologies in the world. all other religions say 'god created everything' but at the same time permit meat eating! if god created everything, then he must have created animals also! is it not a sin to murder a living creature in the name of god, just to fill up your stomach??? was not this poor creature also created by god himself???

i am not saying there is a brahmin religion now. i am only saying THERE WAS A BRAHMIN RELIGION IN INDIA MANY CENTURIES AGO!!!

casteism cannot be uprooted in a democratic country, because in a democracy a person is 100% free to practice casteism in his private life!!! it is 'rationalism' which has to be uprooted first!!!

i am only a follower and disciple of brahminism. the points mentioned in this forum are not my personal views at all - these are all habits, practices followed since centuries by bramins all over the world since centuries!!!!!!

sir - what is casteism? any person advocating supremacy of his caste over other castes is practising casteism! but in brahminism, it is not supremacy, but DISTINCTNESS & INDIVIDUALITY of brahmins over other faiths, which was advocated & is advocated. this is not castesim at all! it is other castes and other religions which advocate their own supremacy over other faiths, and blackmail the 'inferior' faiths by saying that the only way to salvation is in converting yourselves to our religion! on the other hand brahminism says my faith is distinct from yours. so i will not interfere in your faith. you also do not interfere in my faith. i will not try to convert you to my fold. you also do not try to convert me. this is the shining example of non violence , peace and tolerance!!!

again it is not supremacy of male over female ,. but distinctness of both genders which is emphasised in brahminism. this is not male chauvinism, which is found in other faiths!!!

ADVOCATING DISTINCTNESS OF ANY IDEOLOGY OVER OTHER IS NOT OFFENSIVE OR OBJECTIONABLE IN ANY WAYS AT ALL!!!!

about the periar(?)- he was not an 'atheist'- because he believed in all religions except hinduism. so he cannot be a 'rationalist' also! how can a person who was so confused that he claimed himself to be an 'athiest' & a 'rationalist' inspite of believing in all religions & gods except hinduism & hindu gods, be a 'reformer'????
 
sir - what is casteism? any person advocating supremacy of his caste over other castes is practising casteism! but in brahminism, it is not supremacy, but DISTINCTNESS & INDIVIDUALITY of brahmins over other faiths, which was advocated & is advocated. this is not castesim at all! it is other castes and other religions which advocate their own supremacy over other faiths, and blackmail the 'inferior' faiths by saying that the only way to salvation is in converting yourselves to our religion! on the other hand brahminism says my faith is distinct from yours. so i will not interfere in your faith. you also do not interfere in my faith. i will not try to convert you to my fold. you also do not try to convert me. this is the shining example of non violence , peace and tolerance!!!

again it is not supremacy of male over female ,. but distinctness of both genders which is emphasised in brahminism. this is not male chauvinism, which is found in other faiths!!!

ADVOCATING DISTINCTNESS OF ANY IDEOLOGY OVER OTHER IS NOT OFFENSIVE OR OBJECTIONABLE IN ANY WAYS AT ALL!!!!

about the periar(?)- he was not an 'atheist'- because he believed in all religions except hinduism. so he cannot be a 'rationalist' also! how can a person who was so confused that he claimed himself to be an 'athiest' & a 'rationalist' inspite of believing in all religions & gods except hinduism & hindu gods, be a 'reformer'????

sir - apologists of islam and 'rationalists' are tearfully certifying that islamic rule in india was 'secular'!!! it seems according to these 'rationalists' even auranagzeb is 'secular'!!! even if this is true, so what? as Dr. arun shourie, has mentioned in THE WORLD OF FATWAS, in india muslims were & are compelled to be relatively secular because of the presence & pressure of so many indians belonging to other communities! the real face of islam is visible in pakistan, bangladesh, iran, iraq, saudi & other islamic 'republics' where persons of other religions are 2nd class citizens, whose condition is worse than animals!!!!
 
SORRY!!! KONJAM OVER
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SIR - 'rationalists' in t.nadu have threatened to erect more than 100 statues of the 'periar' all over the state! i have a suggestion for them. there are many public toilets all over the state constructed by local govts. in these public toilets, there are separate enclosures for men & women. to denote this, the men's section will contain a picture of a man, and women's section, picture of a women, so that even illiterates can understand from this picture as to which section belongs to which section. why not paint picture of the periar for men's section & picture of the maniyammai for women's section??? when compared to erection of statues, this will save lot of money, public funds, tax payers money also! no need for police protection too! violent clashes will also not take place, because i am sure believers will not object to this idea!!!

of course , believers are not desperately flirting to erect statues of gods all over the state. so no 'rationalist'can reply that instead of the 'periar' & the 'maniyamma' pictures of hindu gods be painted instead!!!
 
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sir - apologists of islam and 'rationalists' are tearfully certifying that islamic rule in india was 'secular'!!! it seems according to these 'rationalists' even auranagzeb is 'secular'!!! even if this is true, so what? as Dr. arun shourie, has mentioned in THE WORLD OF FATWAS, in india muslims were & are compelled to be relatively secular because of the presence & pressure of so many indians belonging to other communities! the real face of islam is visible in pakistan, bangladesh, iran, iraq, saudi & other islamic 'republics' where persons of other religions are 2nd class citizens, whose condition is worse than animals!!!!


Dr. Arun shourie has mentioned in his website an extract from Dr.ambedkar's views on why buddhism disappeared from india. Dr. ambedkar says, in buddhism only the priests were leading an ascetic life, whereas other buddhists were following their own style of living with little trace of orthodoxy!
once the monks were eliminated & their places of worship destroyed by islamic invaders, there was no way buddhism could survive in this country, as the remaining buddhists did not have any trace of orthodox buddhism in them! but in the case of brahmins, each and every bramin, in those days, was priestly by himself! so though many bramins were killed, places of worship destroyed & saints & seers murdered, bramins continue to survive to this date, mainly because even ordinary bramin devotees adhere to orthodoxy in a relatively higher degree, when compared to other religions! there is lesson for all bramins in this. whereever in the world you are whoever you are, never drop or compromise on the basis principle of braminism, which is vegeteranism. vegeteranism includes abstention from alcohol & smoking also! this is the key for survival. if you adhere to pure vegeteranism, all other vedic principles will automatically follow you!!!!!
 
Dr. Arun shourie has mentioned in his website an extract from Dr.ambedkar's views on why buddhism disappeared from india. Dr. ambedkar says, in buddhism only the priests were leading an ascetic life, whereas other buddhists were following their own style of living with little trace of orthodoxy!
once the monks were eliminated & their places of worship destroyed by islamic invaders, there was no way buddhism could survive in this country, as the remaining buddhists did not have any trace of orthodox buddhism in them! but in the case of brahmins, each and every bramin, in those days, was priestly by himself! so though many bramins were killed, places of worship destroyed & saints & seers murdered, bramins continue to survive to this date, mainly because even ordinary bramin devotees adhere to orthodoxy in a relatively higher degree, when compared to other religions! there is lesson for all bramins in this. whereever in the world you are whoever you are, never drop or compromise on the basis principle of braminism, which is vegeteranism. vegeteranism includes abstention from alcohol & smoking also! this is the key for survival. if you adhere to pure vegeteranism, all other vedic principles will automatically follow you!!!!!

sir - in orthodox hinduism, priests perform all rituals in topless attire. so it is impossible for women to become priests in orthodox hinduism. but in religions like islam & christianity, there is no need for topless attire at all! then why are women not allowed as priests in these religions? is this not male chauvinism????

all over the world, since times immemorial, it is always emphasised that the age of husband should always be more than the age of wife. is it because only then there will be comfortable sex? after all , any women having a craze for a man below her age, is considered to be suffering from mental problems!
so the practice of orthodox hindus, emphasising for seniority for husband in age is not male chauvinism!!!
 
SORRY!!! KONJAM OVER
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SIR - 'rationalists' in t.nadu have threatened to erect more than 100 statues of the 'periar' all over the state! i have a suggestion for them. there are many public toilets all over the state constructed by local govts. in these public toilets, there are separate enclosures for men & women. to denote this, the men's section will contain a picture of a man, and women's section, picture of a women, so that even illiterates can understand from this picture as to which section belongs to which section. why not paint picture of the periar for men's section & picture of the maniyammai for women's section??? when compared to erection of statues, this will save lot of money, public funds, tax payers money also! no need for police protection too! violent clashes will also not take place, because i am sure believers will not object to this idea!!!

of course , believers are not desperately flirting to erect statues of gods all over the state. so no 'rationalist'can reply that instead of the 'periar' & the 'maniyamma' pictures of hindu gods be painted instead!!!

sir- the 'periar' and other 'rationalists' quail, wail & lament that in orthodox hinduism , non bramins are treated as 'sudras'! but that is exactly the position in other religions also! koran says all non muslims are sudras, and bible says anybody who is not a chrisitian is a sudra! then on what basis 'rationalists' eulogise islam & christianity? in islam & christianity, conversion is allowed! so anybody can get converted as a muslim or a christian. this is not possible in brahminism! you can only be born as a bramin and cannot get conveted to braminism from other faiths! so there is some 'speciality' & 'exclusivity' in braminism, even in these days, which is probably why 'rationalists' abuse bramins, whilst penning hosannas to muslims & christians!!!
 
sir - as per latest census of 2001, about 70% of indian population live in rural areas. so it is important for govts. at all levels in india to give top priority to agriculture & small scale industries, on whom more than 70% of indians are dependent for employment!!!!
 
MUTHUVELAR CAUGHT ON WRONG FOOT AGAIN!!!

Sir - after a judge in chennai high court delivered the verdict that elections to chennai corporation recently were not conducted in free & fair manner, the dmk chiefminister of t.nadu said he accepted the verdict and ordered fresh elections! but a state minister, arcot veerasamy has abused the judge who has given the verdict, that too in the presence of the muthuvelar in a marriage function!! not only has the muthuvelar refused to condemn the abuse, he has even welcomed and supported it!!! in that case, why did he order fresh elections after strictures from the judge??? yet another example of dual role by the muthuvelar!!!!!!
 
Statues

Suresh sir has rightly raised an issue about 'threat' of DK to install 100s of EVR statues in TN.

In my view this can be tackled as follows :

It is said that if a man steals your wife, there is no better revenge than to let him keep her. (Feminists - kindly excuse). Similarly we could peacefully watch from the sidelines DK installing scores of EVR statues till they get tired. As i did say elsewhere in this forum, our Brahmana Army (poor lift from Barmy Army) of crows, pigeons and other birds could do to the statue what we cannot !!!!!

(or)

Seperate forms could be printed for Rationalists for all those set of forms which require some one to fill their father's name - Against "Thanthaiyar Peyar" it could be named as "Periyar Peyar"....Afterall EVR is "Thanthai" isn't it !

(or)

There is a place near Bengaluru which i think is called "Koti Lingeswara" - the idea is to install 1 crore lingams. not sure of exact location. Similarly a huge plot of land could be allotted to DK where they could install as many "Kodi Periyars"...Ofcourse should obtain an assurance from DK that they will not harm us if some wag replaces "o" in "kodi" with "e".

Aside :

This reminds me of another instance when there was a discussion in 'Tuglaq' about Universities confering "Dr" pattams to whichever CM in power in TN. Cho suggested that instead of wasting so much of public money in organising functions to confer the zillionth "Dr" pattam, all the Universities could combine and confer an "Hospital" pattam to the CMs since it is widely known that "Hospital" consists of several "Drs" !!!!!
 
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max mueller - father of 'rationalists'!!!???

Suresh sir has rightly raised an issue about 'threat' of DK to install 100s of EVR statues in TN.

In my view this can be tackled as follows :

It is said that if a man steals your wife, there is no better revenge than to let him keep her. (Feminists - kindly excuse). Similarly we could peacefully watch from the sidelines DK installing scores of EVR statues till they get tired. As i did say elsewhere in this forum, our Brahmana Army (poor lift from Barmy Army) of crows, pigeons and other birds could do to the statue what we cannot !!!!!

(or)

Seperate forms could be printed for Rationalists for all those set of forms which require some one to fill their father's name - Against "Thanthaiyar Peyar" it could be named as "Periyar Peyar"....Afterall EVR is "Thanthai" isn't it !

(or)

There is a place near Bengaluru which i think is called "Koti Lingeswara" - the idea is to install 1 crore lingams. not sure of exact location. Similarly a huge plot of land could be allotted to DK where they could install as many "Kodi Periyars"...Ofcourse should obtain an assurance from DK that they will not harm us if some wag replaces "o" in "kodi" with "e".

Aside :

This reminds me of another instance when there was a discussion in 'Tuglaq' about Universities confering "Dr" pattams to whichever CM in power in TN. Cho suggested that instead of wasting so much of public money in organising functions to confer the zillionth "Dr" pattam, all the Universities could combine and confer an "Hospital" pattam to the CMs since it is widely known that "Hospital" consists of several "Drs" !!!!!


sir - whilst talking about 'rationalists' it is very difficult not to mention about max mueller. this max mueller should be called the father of 'rationalists' because it was he who invented the theory of 'aryan invasion'!! the irony is that, the only basis for max mueller to arrive at this conclusion was that many bramins whom he saw were very fair!! seeing this wheatish complexioned bramins,the mueller came to the conclusion that these fellows must be descendants of white europeans! the irony here is that, mueller initially was so impressed by the bramins' culture & complexion that he thought he was convinced bramins were descendants of europeans! but after seeing many black & brown complexioned bramins, he got confused! and then he dropped that whole 'finding' that bramins descended from europeans like a hot potato!!!

funnily, this 'finding' was picked up by 'rationalists' from the trash, and led to now being accepted as an 'important' event in 'history'!!!!
 
Pattimandram anyone ???

Recently read in "Dinakaran" that DMK some wing had organized a pattimandram (debate) on what is the reason for M K Stalin's greatness...Is it his "selfless sacrifice" or "tireless work"

Howzzatt !!!!!

I thought of helping the DMK folks with some more debating topics...would request forum members to add in

a) Suya mariyadhai chinnam - periyarin ven thaadiya illai kalaignarin kannadiya ?

b) Indraya thevai - veetukku veliye oru alsationa illai veetukkula naalu perukku reservationa ?

c) yedhu periyadhu - Dravida nada illai kalaignarin rationalism frauda ?

d) yedhu kan kolla kaatchi - illavasa vanna tholai kaatchiyaa illai kalaignarin aatchiyaa

e) yedhu periyarukku pidithadhu - paarpanargalin poonal aruppa illa ava aathulla kadanja paruppa

haiyo haiyo

:doh:
 
Hari,
i am older than you.I am not comfortable with expressions like "rock",LOL ..

You ROCK.
 
Stop Celebrating Valentine's Day!!!

Recently read in "Dinakaran" that DMK some wing had organized a pattimandram (debate) on what is the reason for M K Stalin's greatness...Is it his "selfless sacrifice" or "tireless work"

Howzzatt !!!!!

I thought of helping the DMK folks with some more debating topics...would request forum members to add in

a) Suya mariyadhai chinnam - periyarin ven thaadiya illai kalaignarin kannadiya ?

b) Indraya thevai - veetukku veliye oru alsationa illai veetukkula naalu perukku reservationa ?

c) yedhu periyadhu - Dravida nada illai kalaignarin rationalism frauda ?

d) yedhu kan kolla kaatchi - illavasa vanna tholai kaatchiyaa illai kalaignarin aatchiyaa

e) yedhu periyarukku pidithadhu - paarpanargalin poonal aruppa illa ava aathulla kadanja paruppa

haiyo haiyo

:doh:

SIR - YES! these fellows will discuss about non issues which do not have any bearing on life of people. but they will not debate about matters like valentine's day etc., yesterday was valentine's(?) day(!)and it was celebrated by many even in states like t.nadu with pomp and grandeur. but on this same day, on 14th february 1998, hundreds of innocent tamils were killed ,wounded , private & public properties worth crores destroyed in a barbaric bomb blast masterminded by cannibal madhani. why are people not observing 14th feb. as anti terrorist day in memory of those killed in the coimbatore blasts, rather than drink, smoke & romance even in public , on the pretext of celebrating valentine's day??? are not these indecent celebrations an insult to those innocent souls who were murdered for no fault of theirs???
 
Every day is some day in India

but on this same day, on 14th february 1998, hundreds of innocent tamils were killed ,wounded , private & public properties worth crores destroyed in a barbaric bomb blast masterminded by cannibal madhani. why are people not observing 14th feb. as anti terrorist day in memory of those killed in the coimbatore blasts, rather than drink, smoke & romance even in public ,

Suresh sir,

Not that i am a great fan of Valentine's day, but i would like to point out the fact that "Every day" in India (world ?) bears testimony to some one's suffering at the hands of fundamentalist elements.

First we had 9/11, then came 7/7, then came 7/11....i mean at this rate we will not have any day left which doesn't ring a bell in our mind about someone's suffering.

As i said i am NOT defending celebration of Valentine's day (i don't care whether it is celebrated or not, especially when i don't have a valentine of my own !) but the point i am coming to is as a nation we have FAILED in honouring the memory of the deceased by NOT apprehending the culprits. Even if we do so, before even our judicial system comes to a conclusion on the section under which the culprit has to be tried, it will be easily 10 years from the date of the crime. Whither justice ?

Remembrance, Candle lighting, Day observance - all is fine, but the real homage would be bring the perpetretors to the book.

I am ashamed at the lack of political will in India to defend itself !!!
 
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