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How should we overcome our desires?

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Breathing is NOT a desire..It is governed by the Autonomic Nervous system which goes on even when we are in deep sleep, that's why breathing goes on unconsciously.

But anyhow Breathing can be optional too!

Asphyxia can bring about much better vivid imaginations that any erotic website can offer!!LOL

Renuka,

Yeah... right! What do you know about asphyxia? I bet you don't have a first hand experience. I know it from experience. That's how I learned swimming; while fighting for a gulp of air! Unfortunately there was no one around too. I don't remember any imaginations at that time. By the way, erotic websites offer lessons in philosophy too!

By the way, forgot to add... my wife says I stop breathing while I sleep. sleep apnoea.... Who knows, I may go that way too!

Cheers!
 
Raghy Sir,

I just read post #99. Thak you for welcoming me. You have a strange way of delivering Oscar Wilde Quotations. Now I understand Raji Ram maam when she said " unga vazhi thanee vazhi!".

Thanks.
 
Renuka,

Yeah... right! What do you know about asphyxia? I bet you don't have a first hand experience. I know it from experience. That's how I learned swimming; while fighting for a gulp of air! Unfortunately there was no one around too. I don't remember any imaginations at that time. By the way, erotic websites offer lessons in philosophy too!

By the way, forgot to add... my wife says I stop breathing while I sleep. sleep apnoea.... Who knows, I may go that way too!

Cheers!

Dear Raghy,

I do have experience but not what I would have remembered.

I was born unconscious and blue in color becos I was not breathing.
My mum had a fall just one day before I was born and I was delivered through C section.

Doctors were afraid if I would not have normal brain function but I turned out fine after Oxygen was administered.
 
Dear Raghy,

I do have experience but not what I would have remembered.

I was born unconscious and blue in color becos I was not breathing.
My mum had a fall just one day before I was born and I was delivered through C section.

Doctors were afraid if I would not have normal brain function but I turned out fine after Oxygen was administered.

Renuka,

Sorry to hear that. Your parents would have been devastated until you became alright. I can empathise their anxiety to a small extend. Our daughter had the placenta wrapped around her neck... I was there in during delivery.. my daughters HR dropped to 35 bpm and slowly dropping further... it was scary. Doctor used forceps to pull her out and quickly unwrapped the placenta. It was in the Mater Hospital in Brisbane.

Cheers!
 
By the way, forgot to add... my wife says I [COLOR=#da7911 !important][COLOR=#da7911 !important]stop [COLOR=#da7911 !important]breathing[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR] while I sleep. sleep apnoea.... Who knows, I may go that way too
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Dear Raghy Sir,
may you live 100 years and spread happiness around.we never know how we will go!! Thats the greatness of the death, but i believe that they are the blessed ones who pass away in sleep!!. Sir you have seen death at the closest one in samshan ghat , and spending time there, which is beyond the thoughts leave alone action of a person like me. Would like to quote Swami Rama's words on the death:
An old story is told about the beginning of time. The universe was in the process of being created and not everything was yet in order or fully functioning. Before the universe could be totally engaged, the Creator had one final task to complete. To help him complete this task the Lord summoned an angel.
The angel came. The Creator told the angel that he, the Lord, had one last job to do in the making of the universe.
“I saved the best for last,” the Creator told the angel. “I have here the real meaning of human life, the treasure of life, the purpose and goal of all this that I have created.
“Because this treasure is valuable beyond description,” the Creator continued, “I want you to hide it. Hide this treasure so well that human beings will know its value to be immeasurable.”
“I will do so, Lord,” said the angel. “I will hide the treasure of life on the highest mountain top.”
“The treasure will be too easy to find there,” said the Creator.
“Then,” said the angel, “I will hide the treasure in the great desert wilderness. Surely, the treasure will not be easily found there.”
“No, too easy.”
“In the vast reaches of the universe?” asked the angel. “That would make a difficult search.”
“No,” the Creator said pondering. Then his face showed a flash of inspiration. “I know. I have the place. Hide the treasure of life within the human being. He will look there last and know how precious this treasure is. Yes, hide the treasure there.”
This treasure and the search for it are the subjects of the Upanishads. Given the nature of human beings, that treasure was indeed well hidden. As the Lord said in the story above, the last place human beings will look for the ultimate Reality is within themselves. They will look to all the diverse objects of the world for meaning, and each time, with each well-meant effort, come away with nothing worth having. In this way a perpetual cycle of births and deaths is created. They spend life running after things that are only temporal and when death comes they are empty handed, with just an invitation to do it over again.
 
Sri. Vijay Sivasubramaniyan, Greetings.

Raghy,

I apologise if you felt that my post was directed at you. It was absolutely not my intention to judge you personally; may be I should stated my views better.

Let us be honest first. I was the only one talking about indulging in desires to overcome that. so you can't address your sarcasm to anyone else. I don't need your apology; just your honesty will do. I don't care if you judge me. you are not the first one to do that; you won't be the last one either.

I can assure you that it was not a sarcastic remark. It was a honest question; when someone fulfills his desire with a view of eradicating it in the future, what happens if the desire overcomes the person? Suppose I get attracted to the girl who sits next to me at work. If I think I will commit adultery just once and give up my desire, will it work?

I think you should ask this question to your wife. Personally I don't care you commit adultry or not is the least interest to me. I am talking about just desires and overcoming such desires. That doesn't mean you can come up with degrading situations to me. Since you say you are not sarcastic and quite serious, all I can say is, you have to sort out your desire with your wife and the girl who sits next to you since they are the affected parties.

....Even if I can make myself get over the guilt, is this an acceptable behaviour? Again, please do not think I'm judging anyone personally. In this day and age, where new age thinking is challenging our core value systems like never before, these are questions and struggles everybody faces in day to day situations.

If you think there may be 'guilt' involved, then you should ask yourselves this question. I can see your judging me personally here. But that's okay.

Sir you said
For me, desires that are a direct violation of our set moral or ethical code of conduct are a big NO. IMHO, a married man visiting a strip joint is one such.
In your honest opinion, a married man visiting a strip joint is " a direct violation to our set of moral and ethical code of conduct'. Wow! I don't know who are included in the set "our" though. in other words you charged me violating our set of moral and ethical code of conduct due to my visit to a strip joint" . That too just once because i felt it was 'boring!' ( during the following break, I rang my wife from the casino! She asked what the heck I was doing there since she knew I was not a gambling person.. I don't gamble even now.. i said to her I was enjoying the free coffee and free drinks!).

Now you are saying
Ofcourse, my opinion doesn't count at all. Who said so? The fact that the question was posted in an open internet forum and OP himself had posted certain circumstances in his post, led to this particular discussion.
Sir, your opinion don't count. Whatever is "your", who ever is included in "your" set of moral and ethical code of conduct, I and my wife don't seem to share the same code of conduct. As couples we have our own understandings.

I have contributed many outlandish messages in this forum. I haven't even hinted anything immoral in my postings. Adultry indeed! For your kind information, I am a 'eka pathni man' as of today. I was a virgin when i got married ( had a sensual love affair for 6 months. still stayed a virgin).

This thread is really about control of our regular desires. Why? I can do that. That's why. as i said before, you have no idea about my sense controls. I am not just writing something here to impress others. My wife also reads my posts. What's more, I use my daughter's name as my pass word in everything. Everyone in my home knows that. And i use my name as the handle always. I have no secret ever. that's me, my friend!

Cheers!
 
^^ Such hostility! Even after me insisting that it was not directed at you; remember, I never quoted you in my post. My bad, may be I should've used a different example.

Anyway, please do not quote me anymore. I'm not interested in this "Tharkkam" anymore.

Vijay
 
^^ Such hostility! Even after me insisting that it was not directed at you; remember, I never quoted you in my post. My bad, may be I should've used a different example.

Anyway, please do not quote me anymore. I'm not interested in this "Tharkkam" anymore.

Vijay

Sri. Vijay Sivasubramanian, Greetings.

Hostile? Sir, I was just polite. You don't know me when I am hostile. Let's not worry about that too much. Do you think I am I am interested in debates? This could be my last life on earth Sir! I wish to enjoy life. Thank you sir! Desires.... never mind. Kindly follow what you are comfortable with. People like me may follow Tantric devotion... Sex is devine for us. Temple has a different meaning for us. Pattinathar has a long way to travel in our opinion. I follow Tantric devotion when I have to. Nudity is natural for me. Woman is eligible everyday to conduct poojas for me. Yes.... everyday. If pre organised pooja day turns out to be bloody, that day is an auspious day for us.... i am not saying this to just to upset you.. happened two times for us.. she was bloody..... Sir, we were fortunate.

Girl is power. Girl is everything in any home.

I was too polite to talk to you after you brought in 'adultry'. We don't even talk about adutry.. don't even think about adultry.. adultry is not physical, but it is psychological. How about you watch us making conversation for about 5 to 6 months before making debatable comments, please? Thank you.

Cheers!
 
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"A prostitute who knows that she doesn't love her customers, nor do they love her. Yet she waits for them and, when they come, enacts the drama of love. She isn't satisfied with the artificial love she gives and receives, nor with the payment she is given. I realized that all humans are like prostitutes and the world, like the customers, is enjoying us. The payment is always inadequate and we feel dissatisfied. Thus, I became determined not to live like a prostitute. Instead, I will live with dignity and self-respect, not expecting this world to give me either material or internal satisfaction, but to find it myself by going within."(Source: The Himalayan Masters: A Living Tradition by Pandit Rajmani Tigunait, PhD.)
 
"A prostitute who knows that she doesn't love her customers, nor do they love her. Yet she waits for them and, when they come, enacts the drama of love. She isn't satisfied with the artificial love she gives and receives, nor with the payment she is given. I realized that all humans are like prostitutes and the world, like the customers, is enjoying us. The payment is always inadequate and we feel dissatisfied. Thus, I became determined not to live like a prostitute. Instead, I will live with dignity and self-respect, not expecting this world to give me either material or internal satisfaction, but to find it myself by going within."(Source: The Himalayan Masters: A Living Tradition by Pandit Rajmani Tigunait, PhD.)

Dear Sri. Prasad, Greetings.

I wish to bring few points forward for discussion from that quote, please.

A prostitute is involved in a honest profession. He/she has dignity and self respect. They are involved in a profession of satisfying others with their flesh and gets paid for that. In fact, I have seen prostitutes with dignity and self respect. In my opinion, they are much more dignified than many other businesses who cheat, lie and involve in fradulent activities with the only aim of earning money without any care for their customers.

Sometimes a prostitute may lover one her customer; and a person may fall in love with a prostitute too. A prostitute is only a human being who also undergos all human emotions, to love is one of them.

We are not the prostitutes but we are the customers while this rest of the world along with all the humanbeings are prostitutes. For example, I get pleasure from this world and from others just for my self satisfaction. I came with nothing, I would leave with nothing, but the world remains. This whole world is a huge brothel kept open for us. We come along, indulge in our desires and take what ever we like from this world only to leave everything in this world when we go. In the mean time "ஆடிய ஆட்டம் என்ன? பேசிய வார்த்தை என்ன? தேடிய செல்வம் என்ன? கூடு விட்டு ஆவி போனால் கூடவே வருவதென்ன? " ( How active we were, how much we talked and how much we earned? When the life leaves this shell, what does come along with us?).

Even if I go within myself to search myself, still I have to live in this world. I need to do what I have to do in this world.

Cheers!
 
How to control desire is a long topic, before I go into depth, I would like
to submit a video clipping for just information.

How to overcome desires - YouTube

Sri. Balasubramanian, Greetings.

I watched that video clip. That Swamy is not asking anyone not to restrict any desire; but only says, not to overdo it.

But in the name of 'controlling the desires', people are overdoing in indulgence. The sad part is, they not only don't see it, but think they are doing something very spiritual.

Everything is a desire. Even joining satsang and indulging in bhjans on very regualr basis ids desire. Doing that everyday on daily basis for hours together is overindulgence.

Something for you to think about.

Cheers!
 
....... Everything is a desire. Even joining satsang and indulging in bhjans on very regualr basis is desire. Doing that everyday on daily basis for hours together is overindulgence. ............!
Dear Raghy Sir,

May I add this? Writing in our forum is a desire! :typing:
But entering each and every thread and posting is overindulgence!! :popcorn:
 
When I was in India and having a Q and A with an ISCKON sanyasi I realized that when it comes to spirituality we humans find the most excuses.

The Sanyasi was advising everyone to do 108 times Japa with the Mantra Hare Rama Hare Krishna.

Someone in the group was asking.."why do I need to do 108 times? won't just 1 time recital with a pure heart be enough?"

Sanyasi replied "We all think we have pure heart but we might not know what impurities we still have so 108 times will help us get rid of impurity"

The person was still not satisfied and asked the Sanyasi again "I still do not see any reason why 108 times is needed..what if someone recites 108 times but he does not have a pure heart"

Sanyasi was trying to convince the guy still.

So I told that guy .."Will you drink water without it being treated and filtered even though it might appear clear to us?
You see just look at this Japa mala..think of it as a water filter which has various levels of filtration before water is rendered safe for drinking..the 108 Japa will act as a filter to remove all impurities in the mind"
 
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Another person asked the Sanyasi "Why do I need to have a Guru? Is not possible to reach God without a Guru"

Sanyasi was explaining the role of a Guru to this guy etc but the guy was not getting convinced.

Since this was a group discussion..I asked that guy "Did you go to a university"

He replied "yes I am a proffesional"

I said "Ok..did you have lecturers in your university to guide and teach you for the degree?"

He said "yes"

I said "There you go..thats why you need a Guru!"

I sometimes feel when we choose day to day simple examples it is easier to grasp cos explaining to a person that Guru is remover of darkness etc will just not really light up anyone's head these days.
 
Greetings.

I am a bit sceptical about a Guru. Nobody with his/her right mind would even come inside a 10 feet circle around me with an intention of being a Guru to me. See, for me sense comntrol has a totally different meaning. For me sense control should be practised to improve the quality of pleasure, not for denying the pleasure. Every Guru would have advised their disciples to steer well clear of persons like me.

Cheers!
 
Greetings.

I am a bit sceptical about a Guru. Nobody with his/her right mind would even come inside a 10 feet circle around me with an intention of being a Guru to me. See, for me sense comntrol has a totally different meaning. For me sense control should be practised to improve the quality of pleasure, not for denying the pleasure. Every Guru would have advised their disciples to steer well clear of persons like me.

Cheers!

Dear Raghy,

Actually what is so hard to just exert some control on our desires?

Ok I will give you a simple example..last night I had a craving to eat instant noodles but I thought even though it tastes good but its purely carbohydrates and will spike up Insulin and cause fat deposition blah blah blah..so I told my self "renu why don't u try some healthier alternative?"

So I decided to make a glass of soya milk and ate a fruit.

So you see its not suppression at all...it's just making different choices.
 
Dear Raghy,

Actually what is so hard to just exert some control on our desires?

Ok I will give you a simple example..last night I had a craving to eat instant noodles but I thought even though it tastes good but its purely carbohydrates and will spike up Insulin and cause fat deposition blah blah blah..so I told my self "renu why don't u try some healthier alternative?"

So I decided to make a glass of soya milk and ate a fruit.

So you see its not suppression at all...it's just making different choices.

Sowbagyavathy Renuka, Greetings.

I think, I am not very clear when I said about controlling desires. To start with, I don't even think we have any desires the requires controlling or suppressing. Personally, I have a lot of control of my desires. But I am not faultless though. I strongly believe any desire that doesn't offend others need not be controlled or suppressed. After all, we are living in this world; certain desires accompany our everyday life.

In your example, you yielded to the desire or eating healthy food since healthy food is a much better choice. Personally, I eat noodles only in rare occassions. But anyway, thanks for your example, but my point is not about that kind of controlling.

If I operate without breaching the kama, krodha, lobha, moha, mada and madsarya qualities, such desires are perfectly alright. For example, if I wanted to enjoy moha pleasure with my wife, why should I control my desires? Just go full monty and enjoy as much as possible and some. That's my policy. Similarly with diet, earning money etc, if it is ethically correct, why should I control such desires?

We have to discharge certain commitments to others and to the community. We should go ahead and fulfill those commitments. I don't see that as a big deal.

We don't have to control our desires and think of God all the time. Why? If the God is within you, what are you doing searching for the God outside? Only persons who are content and enjoyed fulfilled life would think high; would think self less. If a person is not content, at the back of his/her mind, that unfulfilled desire would always be nagging. That's why I like to have a fulfilled mind first. That is why I am not advocating controlling or suppressing of desires at all. ( You may not be suppressing your desires; but I know many persons take pride in suppressing their desires.. or claim to suppress their desires).

Cheers!
 
Sowbagyavathy Renuka, Greetings.



If I operate without breaching the kama, krodha, lobha, moha, mada and madsarya qualities, such desires are perfectly alright. For example, if I wanted to enjoy moha pleasure with my wife, why should I control my desires? Just go full monty and enjoy as much as possible and some. That's my policy. Similarly with diet, earning money etc, if it is ethically correct, why should I control such desires?

Ok lets discuss further:

We go step by step:

Krodha...I have very less these days, I hardly get angry these days cos when I get angry I feel much weaker and I can actually feel the energy loss hence anger is slowly slipping away from me.

Even when I was in India and I knew some people were trying to cheat me I was talking to them without losing my temper.I worded my words well without getting angry.

Recently I got a string of weird PMs in forum which would have many any person really angry but I decided not to get so mad but each time I read the PM I would show a gesture to the lap top screen and laugh.

The person who was sending me the PM's sent again PM's to me admiring me for not losing my temper.

I was think "the person has no idea how many gestures I showed the lap top screen!LOL
So you see instead of getting all angry like some Tasmanian Devil I decided to just deal with it in a different manner.

So you see anger is there in everyone but its just how we manage it.


Lobha..Ok this I can safely say I do not have it..In my life so far I am thankful to God for what I have and do not hanker for what I do not have.

Mada: I hate to be proud becos pride comes with prejudice and also what is there to be so proud about?
Everything in our lives can change in a split second.
Seen cases where people driving a car meet an accident and lose both limbs.
In a split second whole life can change.
So its no use being proud of anything.

Further more when we are proud we tend to look down upon others and who knows once upon a time we could have been what we hate in a previous birth..so its 100% no use being proud of anything.

Matsarya: What is there to be so jealous of anyone?
I see girls feel jealous of each other and compete in beauty.
Big deal yaar..if I see a person who is better to me in anyway..I do not feel jealous but try improve on myself and use that person as the motivating factor.

Ok now we will discuss Kama and Moha..I always keep juicy details last for discussion.

Kama:Kama with wife is fine BUT NOT excessive!

Reasons:

Over indulgence in Kama can weaken our body and immune system cos we are not getting sufficient rest and sleep by gunning it all night long.

Over indulgence makes us fantasize about the next encounter and this to a certain extent takes our mind away from our Nithya Karma.

Remember the story of Melpathur Narayana Bhattatiri who after marriage was neglecting his Nithya Karma becos of overindulgence until he was scolded by his father in law?
Only then he realized his over indulgence and started being more focus and eventually wrote the Narayaneeyam.

So same way..keep everything in moderation.
No one is asking anyone to just do pooja 24 hours and not indulge in Kama activities with spouse...cos Have Gun Will Travel..so till Gun functions..Bullets will fire.

Now coming to Moha..
Moha is sort of attachment/infatuation and I can safely say that addictive habits can be listed under this.

We all know that addiction takes us no where in life.
So excessive Moha is also not advocated.
 
No mere humans wish to or can overcome their desires...

Humans who lack with something in some ways continues to have some unfulfilled desires


All that matters positively or negatively is, how and to what extent they go to satisfy their desires.


If the ways and means are not effecting in some way negatively the self and the other/others in any ways, there is no need to control one's desire and keep feeling disappointed at the back on one's mind. If one still control without any valid reasons, the person would be no one but a mentally disturbed person, IMHO.

 
Ok lets discuss further:

We go step by step:

Krodha...I have very less these days, I hardly get angry these days cos when I get angry I feel much weaker and I can actually feel the energy loss hence anger is slowly slipping away from me.

Even when I was in India and I knew some people were trying to cheat me I was talking to them without losing my temper.I worded my words well without getting angry.

Recently I got a string of weird PMs in forum which would have many any person really angry but I decided not to get so mad but each time I read the PM I would show a gesture to the lap top screen and laugh.

The person who was sending me the PM's sent again PM's to me admiring me for not losing my temper.

I was think "the person has no idea how many gestures I showed the lap top screen!LOL
So you see instead of getting all angry like some Tasmanian Devil I decided to just deal with it in a different manner.

So you see anger is there in everyone but its just how we manage it.


Lobha..Ok this I can safely say I do not have it..In my life so far I am thankful to God for what I have and do not hanker for what I do not have.

Mada: I hate to be proud becos pride comes with prejudice and also what is there to be so proud about?
Everything in our lives can change in a split second.
Seen cases where people driving a car meet an accident and lose both limbs.
In a split second whole life can change.
So its no use being proud of anything.

Further more when we are proud we tend to look down upon others and who knows once upon a time we could have been what we hate in a previous birth..so its 100% no use being proud of anything.

Matsarya: What is there to be so jealous of anyone?
I see girls feel jealous of each other and compete in beauty.
Big deal yaar..if I see a person who is better to me in anyway..I do not feel jealous but try improve on myself and use that person as the motivating factor.

Ok now we will discuss Kama and Moha..I always keep juicy details last for discussion.

Kama:Kama with wife is fine BUT NOT excessive!

Reasons:

Over indulgence in Kama can weaken our body and immune system cos we are not getting sufficient rest and sleep by gunning it all night long.

Over indulgence makes us fantasize about the next encounter and this to a certain extent takes our mind away from our Nithya Karma.

Remember the story of Melpathur Narayana Bhattatiri who after marriage was neglecting his Nithya Karma becos of overindulgence until he was scolded by his father in law?
Only then he realized his over indulgence and started being more focus and eventually wrote the Narayaneeyam.

So same way..keep everything in moderation.
No one is asking anyone to just do pooja 24 hours and not indulge in Kama activities with spouse...cos Have Gun Will Travel..so till Gun functions..Bullets will fire.

Now coming to Moha..
Moha is sort of attachment/infatuation and I can safely say that addictive habits can be listed under this.

We all know that addiction takes us no where in life.
So excessive Moha is also not advocated.


Oh...!! Here comes a MASALA Swamiji..!! who knows Krodha to Moha...!!

Jai..Jai..Renuga Swamiji ki...Jai ..Jai..!!

TVK
 
No can deny that desire is something unusual as it is part of one's life, whether it is human
being or animal. Some wants to acquire power, wealthy, fame, comfort, thrills (to go into
Guinness book), or revenge etc. In fact, desire can be termed as a catalyst providing
motivation, which results into an action with a cause. May be it is helpful or sometimes
unhelpful. It may elevate some and degrade some.
For example, take water for an
instance. Everyone needs water. Where there is no water, people go from street to street
or far off places to fetch water. If the same thing, turns into a disastrous flood, it in turn
brings only suffering to the people, causing houses getting drowned, and materials getting
washed away, etc. The same if it is properly channeled it generates electricity, rather
facilitating a source of comfort.

Sometimes desires bring destruction. One has to remain always alert and should not remain
unaware of the effects of the Desire. One has to foresee what the Desire would bring, a
positive or a negative impact.
Therefore, one before turning into any activity on account of
Desire, he/she has to assure in mind as to whether the urge is going to be helpful one
or harmful on. Subsequently one has to act accordingly without blindly seeking the Desire.

Suppose if some one drives a vehicle in a high way and somebody suddenly takes a cut
and comes in front of the vehicle. There will be an urge either to reduce the speed or take
a swift turn to avoid collision. But if something happens urge for speed driving will end in a
bad result. Some people have unending desire to acquire material possessions.
People
make purchase after purchase with an idea to have an enjoyable life but everyone forgets
the appetite is insatiable and can never be fulfilled. One can notice rich people having
so many things at home and are not able to enjoy. One should not give a room to the desire
to grow in an unlimited way and try to nip it in the bud. If it is not watched or maneuvered
it may not bring positive outcome because every desired is replaced by a new one.
Even
the ant collects it food only for certain duration and stores it in its shells and does not go in
for longer desires.

Balasubramanian
Ambattur

 
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