How to arrest the slide in TB numbers

[vgane]

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The suggestion given by Shri Vaagmi is the right step:

1. It will lead to better collaboration TB 2 TB in various parts of the world
2. It will lead to better understanding of the issues plaguing the community

Catch them young should be the slogan! It is just a beginning!

 

[krish44]

Creating a data base is a good step.

Enabling free access to it to all would enhance its value.

When some see advantage in accessing the database for a contact in an alien land for sharing food water shelter besides bonding for edu and job oppurtunities it can make

a difference.

This in itself increase in community becoming close knit and reduce the temptation to look for matrimonial matches elsewhere.

Community feelings are held together by economics , all convenient arrangements for living together upholding community values will automatically emerge.

Culture needs to be nothing more than sharing similar edu choices like teaching in mother tongue at entry point, jobs where brahmins are good at like accounts or IT,

living styles like dress ,food choices, festival celebrations ,music etc.

There are no real issues. Some have been created by the perverse old generation refusing to move with the times living as they are in world of a bygone era.

 

[renuka]

hi

many did and many are doing....but in satvik manner....nobody knows.....

LOL!

Sattva Dating?

Base 0?

 

[tbs]

LOL!

Sattva Dating?

Base 0?

hi

yes..lah.....

 

[tbs]

You are an exception TBSji

But you do not date the way modern boys or girls do.

Have you ever danced with a girl -hip hop etc?

It requires a lot of talent and good manners to dance in tandem .

How to make a girl comfortable and make them enjoy a boys company requires a lot of hard work.

Srisriravishankar made a lot of boys dance in tandem with dozens of girls in indian classical dance forms in Art of living cultural get together in delhi.

Our boys can learn from these swamis the Art of happy living" crossing frontiers.

hi

like madhavan actor.....many tb boys are tandem.....a lot of talent there...may not be like six packs.....in ARMY..many tb boys are

dancing in parties....but generally not in vulgar.....

 

[biswa]

hi

many did and many are doing....but in satvik manner....nobody knows.....

This was a good one TBS ji.

I think you have some lessons to teach to the crowd here.

 

[biswa]

LOL!

Sattva Dating?

Base 0?

Sattva involves baseball also is it? I think TBS garu may have already hit home run!

 

[renuka]

I am pretty sure everyone has skeletons in their closets..may be it was so long back that the skeletons have turned to ashes to ashes..dust to dust..therefore memory started to rust and everyone forgot their past tryst with lust!LOL

 

[renuka]

BTW I feel everyone should take it as a compliment if they had dated anyone in the past prior to marriage.

It spells some amount of value in the capability scale.

The problem is many think dating =sex..which is not always true.

 

[vgane]

Creating a data base is a good step.

Enabling free access to it to all would enhance its value.

When some see advantage in accessing the database for a contact in an alien land for sharing food water shelter besides bonding for edu and job oppurtunities it can make

a difference.

This in itself increase in community becoming close knit and reduce the temptation to look for matrimonial matches elsewhere.

Community feelings are held together by economics , all convenient arrangements for living together upholding community values will automatically emerge.

Culture needs to be nothing more than sharing similar edu choices like teaching in mother tongue at entry point, jobs where brahmins are good at like accounts or IT,

living styles like dress ,food choices, festival celebrations ,music etc.

There are no real issues. Some have been created by the perverse old generation refusing to move with the times living as they are in world of a bygone era.

Krishji,

You are coming around to the idea of Vaagmiji....As far as your last line is concerned the older generation is looking at ideas to revive the community! Old generation has moved with the times! I have seen so may elders compromising as they do not have a choice & have taken it in their stride! I am not part of that generation yet! But I have seen how much they have come down!

 

[tbs]

This was a good one TBS ji.

I think you have some lessons to teach to the crowd here.

hi

thanks biswa ji....nice compliment....i tried sometimes....but this crowd hard to understand me....

 

[Raji Ram]

Dear Ganesh,

Changes are inevitable! Once upon a time the routine and dressing style of brahmins was much different from what it is now!

Now it is rare to find brahms doing trikAla sandhaya and other rituals in an orthodox way. Many drink, eat non.veg and smoke

without any inhibition. The economic independence of girls has given them the freedom to choose their partners from anywhere

on the globe - yeah... this is globalization, probably!

We can take some steps to retain the brahmin community in tact but whether it will work or not is His will! ray:

 

[tks]

hi

many did and many are doing....but in satvik manner....nobody knows.....

Actually few TB youngsters I know in USA are into satvik dating based on arranged meets by respective parents. Many either become just friends or end up getting married. These are isolated cases but these kids are lot more mature for their age compared to how I was at their age - better to not say much more !

 

[rishikesan]

I fully agree withTksf. This is the reality occurring IN the last decades
.n the la
Sht

 

[krish44]

Actually few TB youngsters I know in USA are into satvik dating based on arranged meets by respective parents. Many either become just friends or end up getting married. These are isolated cases but these kids are lot more mature for their age compared to how I was at their age - better to not say much more !

TKSji
we are an open forum. Pl feel free to say more.

I really think dating is here to stay for tamil brahmins.

We need to facilitate it .

By forcing parents choices on children , we are probably damaging their lives.

 

[auh]

... these kids are lot more mature for their age compared to how I was at their age ...

Probably a lot of our TB folk too need to cultivate some maturity and understanding before developing a worldview. The puritan TB glass can only offer a parochial view and inculcate some bigotry.

 

[sravna]

TBs most likely cannot preserve their culture being a small minority of the population. The peer pressure and other social pressures will have a greater sway than the efforts of TBs trying to preserve culture. But there is a silver lining. The TBs can work towards broadening their base significantly by teaching about what is good in their culture to others basically instilling a right mindset. Is not being unattached to money and material things a major part of TB culture and brahmin culture in general? Is not mental discipline major part of TB and brahmin culture too? We need to teach those things and create a major following for it. That way TBs are doing a great service to nation and humanity in general.

So an youngster who is not naturally inclined for dating or other peer pressure activities need not worry if there are so many others like him or her. The best I can think of TBs and in fact other concerned members of society is doing the above, helping to foster an alternate way of thinking and life to the current dangerous homogeneity in thinking.

 

[krish44]

It is very poor reasoning that TB boy should not worry about dating as many are like him. How does it help him to get married? .

Most parents cannot get their boys married as educated career oriented girls are choosy and look down on TB boys who are dime a dozen.

They can marry only if they themselves take the initiative and become desirable marriage material.

who would like to be stuck with them?

 

[sravna]

Dear Shri Krish,

Dating is not essential to get married. Traditionally marriage did not depend on dating. It is a borrowed western concept which can be done away with.

 

[auh]

Children should get:

1) all the love and attention from their parents
2) the best education that is affordable (even if financially stretched a bit)
3) honest and well considered answers to all their questions
4) support from their parents to be more mature and balanced as an individual (more so when they grow up)
5) to know about sharing, caring and understanding, from their parents
6) to know that his/her parents would not unnecessarily dispute their preferences
7) to know that his/her parents practice what they preach.

No need to inculcate any special trait of culture in them.

 

[krish44]

Dear Shri Krish,

Dating is not essential to get married. Traditionally marriage did not depend on dating. It is a borrowed western concept which can be done away with.

When traditional systems are failing to get TB boys a match, then they are forced to find one themselves.

I see no other alternative

 

[krish44]

Children should get:

1) all the love and attention from their parents
2) the best education that is affordable (even if financially stretched a bit)
3) honest and well considered answers to all their questions
4) support from their parents to be more mature and balanced as an individual (more so when they grow up)
5) to know about sharing, caring and understanding, from their parents
6) to know that his/her parents would not unnecessarily dispute their preferences
7) to know that his/her parents practice what they preach.

No need to inculcate any special trait of culture in them.

Items 6 and 7 , most parents are found lacking in practice

 

[sravna]

When traditional systems are failing to get TB boys a match, then they are forced to find one themselves.

I see no other alternative

Shri Krish,

We need to understand why traditional systems are failing and try to correct them. That was the gist of my post.

 

[krish44]

Dear sri sravna

Who can change traditional systems easily?

Societies evolve only through youngsters following non traditional paths for the satisfactions of their needs.

They are have no interest in changing traditions as such.

They will act as they are young and impulsive , and have the energy , passion for change . Probably the change will be good for society which will accept change with

some misgivings perhaps. Parents as someone posted have changed a lot to accommodate the aspirations of the young . yet a lot more remains to be done for a more

equitable relationship between genders and their desire to choose their mates as per their requirements without the baggage of traditional thinking-like horoscope

match, financial status of family, dowry etc.

 

[sravna]

Dear sri sravna

Who can change traditional systems easily?

Societies evolve only through youngsters following non traditional paths for the satisfactions of their needs.

They are have no interest in changing traditions as such.

They will act as they are young and impulsive , and have the energy , passion for change . Probably the change will be good for society which will accept change with

some misgivings perhaps. Parents as someone posted have changed a lot to accommodate the aspirations of the young . yet a lot more remains to be done for a more

equitable relationship between genders and their desire to choose their mates as per their requirements without the baggage of traditional thinking-like horoscope

match, financial status of family, dowry etc.

Dear Shri Krish,

There is nothing wrong with change per se. Even evolution is a change. But certain parts of culture have eternal relevance. In our zest for a revolution we should not do away with what signifies evolution. Definitely you can think of aspects which are relevant to all times and all places. Let us say 1 million years in the future. Who would you respect more ? A person who is back stabbing or a person who has character? So you should understand their strength and utility of values if they have such appeal.