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Is the caste system weakness of Hinduism?

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It has been two days, and, what a surprise (not) no reply. He had his 15 minutes of fame and he is gone, and in the milieu we are short a thoughtful long standing member. One thing is clear, RP is not the reason he left.

This forum will go on, it is not about a single member. As we move on, as we must, let no one think this was no big deal.

Dear Shri Nara,

To be fair, one has to also consider that RP must have left in disgust, despite the fame you grant him, with no intent to return or even see what is going on here. Hence, his not responding to the call is also not proving anything - negative intent or whatever.


If we want to make sure, some hard research of his ip address and tracing his computer, etc., police-like may have to be done.
 
Dear Shri Nara,

To be fair, one has to also consider that RP must have left in disgust, despite the fame you grant him, with no intent to return or even see what is going on here. Hence, his not responding to the call is also not proving anything - negative intent or whatever.


If we want to make sure, some hard research of his ip address and tracing his computer, etc., police-like may have to be done.
Dear sir, IMO, you are missing the point, it is not about RP, it is about the loss the site has suffered, for which I don't think RP bears any responsibility.
 
Dear sir, IMO, you are missing the point, it is not about RP, it is about the loss the site has suffered, for which I don't think RP bears any responsibility

One thing is clear, RP is not the reason he left.
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sir, you said it in a crispy way. sh.kunjuppu had the caliber to handle one thousand RPs. but the antipathy came from sh.raghy and sangom picking points for RP, without understanding the real jist,was ridiculing. added to that, adding fuel to the fire, was the message from moderator, who picked points for RP in the name of encouraging new comers, and blaming that the forum is getting driven by old time modernists.even i felt bad about that moderators language, which was polarised, sadly supported by ragy,sangom and brahmanyan as if it was the message from supreme court of india, please any one is bound to abide.

anyways, its difficult to get another kunjuppu here. though new and young to the forum, i have been reading some of his old post. let the seniors and moderators dont repeat this mistake ,and there by loose valuable members. i hope sh.kunjuppu will come back and continue in his contributions in his own style, without getting influenced by past.
 
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Shri Kunjuppu,
Your contributions to the forum are all appreciated well by most members of the forum.We all suffer scars constantly in life and that is supposedly part of our karma and has to be faced.Please do not say " goodbye" in the real sense of the word and please consider it in the context of "till we meet again" which should be after a very brief cooling off and calming time! We will await your return with all friendship, reverence and affection!Thanks!
 
KRSI'm clipping here with one of KRS posts

1) In this, I do not share Sri Kunjuppu's fear - that some folks come back here to disrupt and so we need to be on vigil.

(question to moderation. sir, what steps were taken on this issue, while encouraging partha,, who is no more here now.. you promoted new comers, so do sh.kunjuppu who used to write a post welcoming all new comer, but you did encourage an insane new person, and at the cost of very very known senior valuable member????)



2)My stand is that we should encourage our new members to express their ideas, as we can have new perspectives only with new membership. Otherwise, this Forum will turn in to a club of a few, who state the same ideas over and over. We do not want that.

who were the club of few?. one should be in a position to name them, iArent you sarcastically pin pointing a legend or to add sh.nara or happyhindu.. ideas if true may repeat over and over. .. If its black, its has to be said BLACK , extra BLACK, even if one feels monotonomous.. Why you dont want that?



3)I also think that while we appreciate the self moderation of our members, the job of moderation lies with the Moderators of this Forum. If it seems to be a too big a job, then definitely we will augment our force to tackle it.


sir,again lack of clarity. .. Self moderation and moderation are two different entities.. why envy or fight, with fear of being loosing grip. both can coexist, unless there is a fight with power hungerr.



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Regards,
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Dear Sri ShivKC Ji,

Thank you for giving the examples below. Let me analyze these quotes of Sri RP Ji and show you why these are within the Forum guidelines and why no moderation was provided. To do this, I have to get in to context of the conversations between Sri RP Ji on one hand and Sri Kunjuppu Ji and Professor Nara Ji on the other hand, respectively. I will show you the genesis of the responses from Sri RP Ji, as you quote below. My response is in 'blue':
sh,krs, just a quick scan thrugh all partha's post, his venoms are all scattered around available for anyone to read

for a quick review, i have pasted few pionts

God will punish you
This is seemingly the most egregious statement that Sri RP Ji made. Now, why did he make it?

Let us go back to Sri Kunjuppu Ji's posting #854. He said
et me quote you 'As somebody suggested, we need to infuse DALIT BLOOD in to the brahmins to Sanctify our genes. We need a gene cocktail to avoid this tyranny..? I'm not talking about the races...In order to protect ourselves, we must ARMOUR ourselves with hybridization.. thank god..I'm happy to be where I am..i'm happy to see all that's happening around me.'

i cannot believe that something so blatantly racist is being spoken with pride by someone whose own genes is no different from a dalits. why don't you go do a DNA test of yourself and compare it with any other hindu group and see how much similarity there is.

beyond your grandparents, none of us are even sure of our parentage. we do not have any written log of who married who and where. were our ancestral women the prize booty of conquerors, do we know? why are so many tambrams so fair skinned, and others dark as charcoal?

This is where the issue started. Sri Kunjuppu Ji called Sri RP Ji as a 'blatant racist' and said that 'all of us do not know our lineage beyond our grand parents'. He included Sri RP's lineage here, by generalizing. I think that whatever intention Sri Kunjuppu Ji had in terms of historical perspectives, it can not be proved and thus has the sole effect of putting Sri RP Ji in a defensive mode (by the way, I do not subscribe to his theory - I think that the fair/dark skin differences can be explained by folks from the North moving down south), but then Sri Kunjuppu never answers Sri RP Ji (only responds to Professor Nara Ji with 3 smiley faces on his comment - which we will discuss below, and to Sri Raghy's comments). I wish Sri Kunjuppu Ji responded to Sri RP Ji's anguished response about his lineage directly.

Now about Sri RP Ji's 'God will punish you' comment. It is clearly said out of frustration as he perceived he and his lineage is questioned (see the sentence before what he said 'God will punish you'. I also think that this can be taken either as a curse or implying that there is a higher power who oversees things, irrespective of what the Government does.

So, tell me, where should the moderator have jumped in?



I CANNOT TAKE ANY MORE REPLIES FROM MR.HONOURABLE.SHRI. NARA WHO HAS SUCH A "BIG HEART" AND "small lungs.

I can see sh.kunjuppu smiling so hard over his "victory" as he was amply supported by his friend Naara who stooped to such low levels of morality as he is shouting from canada with his small lungs...
Please go back and read what Professor Nara Ji did. He did not address Sri RP Ji directly, but rather chose to address Sri Kunjuppu Ji, ON SRI RP JI's post. Now this came closest to the moderator intervening to tell Professor Nara Ji not to quote Sri RP's post to address Sri Kunjuppu Ji. This was not fair to Sri RP Ji what so ever. Professor Nara Ji said
Wow K, you got him really really angry. What can one do if you get shouted down like this? You have to admit K, he has stronger lungs than you do, and less shame.

Take care my dear friend, let your god bless you and your family, Jai Canada!
Now, one can argue whether Sri Kunjuppu got 'shouted down' by Sri RP Ji, but the fact remains that Professor Nara Ji said about 'lungs' and 'shame' about Sri RP Ji, without addressing his points directly. Irrespective of Sri RP Ji's views, he should have been treated better than this. Of course, the result was the three smileys from Sri Kunjuppu Ji, which Sri RP Ji, took as not respecting his views and so he addressed both Sri Kunjuppu Ji and Professor Nara Ji. I do not see any bad language in his posting, only hurt on his part and so he lashed out. Now tell me where should the moderator intervened?



He wasn't even given a warning I thing
From your perspective, it looks like Sri RP is the transgressor here, but from where I sit, I see a dialog where things were mis-interpreted by both parties, and a couple of by standers coming in, one to explain and the other to support one pov. Please educate me if the above is not describing what happened.

I suspect, unfortunately, you are not looking at this from a neutral perspective.


Regards,
KRS
 
Dear Shri ShivKC Ji,

So far, I have been patient, responding to your charges about moderation and others. You seem to just throw down words without much thought, accusing others of all different things. Please be careful with your words.

You have said
but the antipathy came from sh.raghy and sangom picking points for RP, without understanding the real jist,was ridiculing. added to that, adding fuel to the fire, was the message from moderator, who picked points for RP in the name of encouraging new comers, and blaming that the forum is getting driven by old time modernists.even i felt bad about that moderators language, which was polarised, sadly supported by ragy,sangom and brahmanyan as if it was the message from supreme court of india, please any one is bound to abide.
Please show me where Sri Raghy Ji and Sri Sangom Ji were 'ridiculing'? When did I say anything about 'old time modernists?'. What does this mean? Why were my words 'polarizing'? You better explain your words in detail - you are throwing around accusations, it seems to me without any foundation
KRSI'm clipping here with one of KRS posts

1) In this, I do not share Sri Kunjuppu's fear - that some folks come back here to disrupt and so we need to be on vigil.

(question to moderation. sir, what steps were taken on this issue, while encouraging partha,, who is no more here now.. you promoted new comers, so do sh.kunjuppu who used to write a post welcoming all new comer, but you did encourage an insane new person, and at the cost of very very known senior valuable member????)
Again, you are using very dangerous words! Why is Sri RP Ji, 'insane'? You better explain this accusation, with proper examples. I do not care who is an old timer or who is a new comer, every new comer has the right to speak his/her views freely and more importantly should be able to defend their views without feeling of being attacked personally or ridiculed.



2)My stand is that we should encourage our new members to express their ideas, as we can have new perspectives only with new membership. Otherwise, this Forum will turn in to a club of a few, who state the same ideas over and over. We do not want that.

who were the club of few?. one should be in a position to name them, iArent you sarcastically pin pointing a legend or to add sh.nara or happyhindu.. ideas if true may repeat over and over. .. If its black, its has to be said BLACK , extra BLACK, even if one feels monotonomous.. Why you dont want that?

Dear Sri ShivKC Ji, perhaps you don't know me. I agree with most ideas of Professor Nara Ji (when it comes to our community), Sri Kunjuppu Ji's as well as Srimathi HH Ji. When Srimathi HH Ji was attacked by some on her views, ask her who came to her defense? I said it would become a 'club' including ALL the members - I was not singling out any group. By the way, sarcasm is not permitted in the Forum, even by the moderators. You do not seem to know what you are talking about. Where did I even intimate, when I talked about the 'club', it was about Sri Kunjuppu Ji/Professor Nara Ji/Srimathi HH Ji. I was talking about the Forum becoming a dull place, without controversial topics discussed - we the moderators always think about expanding our membership. What is wrong with the statement?


3)I also think that while we appreciate the self moderation of our members, the job of moderation lies with the Moderators of this Forum. If it seems to be a too big a job, then definitely we will augment our force to tackle it.


sir,again lack of clarity. .. Self moderation and moderation are two different entities.. why envy or fight, with fear of being loosing grip. both can coexist, unless there is a fight with power hunger
Again, you are talking without any reference. Please go back and read past postings of some in this Forum, who for a while advocated 'self moderation', without any need for moderators. I do not relish being a moderator - the reason is obvious - there are folks like you who just say anything and throw any word, without thinking. .
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Go ahead, refute me point by point with example - but please do not unnecessarily throw words without proper evidence.

Regards,
KRS
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By the way, sarcasm is not permitted in the Forum, even by the moderators.
[1] Sarcasm is a legitimate tactic in a debate. A blanket prohibition on sarcasm is way too onerous.

[2] I am really amazed that all sorts of benefit of doubt, and license to misinterpret and twist the words of a respected member with long standing reputation for decency, is given to a new member, who is yet to establish his credentials in the forum. It is now clear to me that there is a strong sentiment that K got from RP what he asked for and deserved. This makes me really sad and angry, yes angry.
 
Dear Professor Nara Ji,
My response in 'blue':
[1] Sarcasm is a legitimate tactic in a debate. A blanket prohibition on sarcasm is way too onerous.
Yes, if it is a 'legitimate' tactic in a 'debate'. More often than not, it has been used here to diminish/ridicule another person. That is the type of sarcasm I was alluding to. That has no place here.

[2] I am really amazed that all sorts of benefit of doubt, and license to misinterpret and twist the words of a respected member with long standing reputation for decency, is given to a new member, who is yet to establish his credentials in the forum. It is now clear to me that there is a strong sentiment that K got from RP what he asked for and deserved. This makes me really sad and angry, yes angry.
I am sorry Professor Nara Ji. What ' words' of Sri Kunjuppu Ji was perhaps misinterpreted by Sri RP Ji, but the fact remains that he felt his lineage was questioned. Sri Kunjuppu Ji never addressed that. We all know the decency of Sri Kunjuppu Ji, but irrespective of the decency of Sri RP Ji, when Sri Kunjuppu Ji makes such blanket statements to a stranger, as a long standing member of this Forum, he has the responsibility of explaining what he meant to the newcomer. Unfortunately, he did not do that.

No one is saying that Sri Kunjuppu deserved what he 'got' from Sri RP Ji. Sri Kunjuppu, after making his statement did not deign to respond to Sri RP Ji, who, in my opinion was mistaken.

I am sorry you are sad and angry. But I am sure you would agree that Sri RP Ji, should have been at least shown the courtesy of being addressed directly regarding his 'twisting and mis-interpreting'. Instead of a dialog (however nauseating Sri RP's stand on various things are to some of us), he was indirectly addressed with some characterizations.

What we are defending here is any person's right to enter in to discussions, however nauseating their views may be to us and however little his/her credentials are, as long as they do not use abusive/personal words.


Regards,
KRS
 
TO ALL MEMBERS INCLUDING MR.KRS(SUPER MODERATOR),
I went through the post of Mr.R.Parthasarathy, Mr.Kunjuppu and Mr.Sangom.In my considered opinion Mr.R.Parthasarathy is to be blamed for this episode.
I would request All members to read Mr.R.Parthasarathy's post no 839 giving reply to Mr.KUNJUPPU.Now read post no 852 from Mr.KUNJUPPU seeking clarification from Mr.Parthasarathy to which Mr.Partha clarifies in post no 853 alleging that Mr.KUNJUPPU used certain words though in fact Mr.Kunjuppu did not say exactly those words.
Now read reply of Mr.Kunjuppu in post no854.I reproduce relevant sentence:
"Partha, You have distorted my words beyond recognition and reworded in your image.You are welcome to dislike IC marriages, nothing wrong with that, but I think it is wrong to word it the way you did"
Now Mr.R.Parthasarathy is not available to clarify as to why he twisted the words of Mr.Kunjuppu.
Another point I want to stress. New members should join this forum to strengthen the forum and not to make the Forum weak.Recently Moderators had to delete more than 15 posts.That means anyone can assume
any name and post.I think everyone should do their first posting in "INTRODUCE YOURSELF" thread .Administration can cross check the information given if they feel it necessary to eliminate members with ulterior motives.This point needs further consideration.
 
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Dear Sr B.Krishnamurthy Ji,

No one denies that Sri RP Ji and Sri Kunjuppu Ji had conversations about Sri RP Ji twisting Sri Kunjuppu Ji's words.

The whole CURRENT issue started in Sri Kunjuppu Ji's thread #854, where he made a general statement about our lineage, which was not at all crisp. Sri RP Ji, perhaps intentionally mistook it (we do not know) and jumped on Sri Kunjuppu Ji. This is where the issue started. I think, Sri Kunjuppu Ji should have responded, explaining his statement. We all knew what he meant, but it must have come from Sri Kunjuppu Ji, directly addressed to Sri RP Ji, without any side comments from anyone else.

If this was so, I think, we would not be discussing this today.

Regards,
KRS
 
Dear Sri.stopitshiv,
I understand your viewpoint and your inner feelings.My advice to you is: Please calm down.You also will have your own day.If you have not read SUGABODANANDA's book " O MIND ! RELAX PLEASE, get a copy and read that book.
If you are in BANGALORE visit his ASRAM and listen to HIS lectures.
 
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Respectable members,

Greetings. I don't think it will benefit anyone to analyse why someone left the forum. I don't agree with many of Sri.Nara's opinions; how ever, I agrre with Sri.Nara when he said, "unless we let something/someone hurt us, nothing can hurt us (by the way of opinions). End of the day, we are sharing opinions. Bad enough we had an unpleasant situation here; we don't have to compound the situation by pointing fingers at everyone.

I humbly request Sri.KRS not involve in any kind of debates over these matters, please.

Sri.Shiv and others, Sri. Sangom explained his reasons quite clearly; I have posted couple of messages to explain the situation from my point of view. I request the unhappy members to go through those posts first. If such posts are not very clear, kindly ask for explanations; don't start a debate with forum moderation, please. The moderators are damned if they did; damned if they did not. They can neither ignore accusations nor address those accusations without getting into debates.

Sri.kunjuppu left, because he wanted to leave. Period. This is the only truth and the whole truth. If he did not want to leave, he would not have left. Unless we recognise this basic truth, we will keep arguing/debating amoung ourselves for a very long time.

But if any of the members only like to debate for a very long time, kindly start with me, please. Let the moderators do their jobs, please.

Cheers!
 
Respectable Members,

Shri Kunjuppu has himself explained the reason for his leaving this forum in his post #948,
(http://www.tamilbrahmins.com/genera...te-system-weakness-hinduism-95.html#post64644) in the following words:

"Too much have been said, in this context concerning me and at me. Many of those statements could, and am certain, will be repeated at another spark of disagreement. After all, if there is anything definitive here, it is discords and disagreements, for these are but an integral part of this or any other forum for that matter.

I don’t think I can function effectively under such a sword of Damocles hanging over each of my future postings. It would simply crimp my style and I do not wish that."

To me these words indicate that Shri Kunjuppu does not want anyone, including the moderator, to comment on whatever he writes. I feel that irrespective of all the superior qualities and abilities we may possess (or think that we possess) we should first have a sense of discipline, and the willingness to be corrected by the moderator/s. Nobody is above others, except the moderators for the time being. The forum will go on whether you or I or anyone else leaves it.
 
Respectable members,

Greetings. I don't think it will benefit anyone to analyse why someone left the forum. I don't agree with many of Sri.Nara's opinions; how ever, I agrre with Sri.Nara when he said, "unless we let something/someone hurt us, nothing can hurt us (by the way of opinions). End of the day, we are sharing opinions. Bad enough we had an unpleasant situation here; we don't have to compound the situation by pointing fingers at everyone.

I humbly request Sri.KRS not involve in any kind of debates over these matters, please.

Sri.Shiv and others, Sri. Sangom explained his reasons quite clearly; I have posted couple of messages to explain the situation from my point of view. I request the unhappy members to go through those posts first. If such posts are not very clear, kindly ask for explanations; don't start a debate with forum moderation, please. The moderators are damned if they did; damned if they did not. They can neither ignore accusations nor address those accusations without getting into debates.

Sri.kunjuppu left, because he wanted to leave. Period. This is the only truth and the whole truth. If he did not want to leave, he would not have left. Unless we recognise this basic truth, we will keep arguing/debating amoung ourselves for a very long time.

But if any of the members only like to debate for a very long time, kindly start with me, please. Let the moderators do their jobs, please.

Cheers!

Sri Raghy ji,

I share mine with your views..


Its really disheartening to note accusations on moderator (Sri KRS), though having played a correct role as per the norms of the forum and a fair game as a human with a true sense of realizations & justifications. I am really astonishing as what is projecting as folly on part of Sri KRS, who is expected to let the members have freedom to express contradicting opinions and sort out issues between themselves (if any) unless something is found absolutely uncivil, leaving no room for a second opinion.

Your efforts to bridge the gap, patching up the issues & pointing out the mistakes to let concerned members realize and get along in true spirit as well seemed to be foiled.

One need to go through each and every post very carefully before pointing fingers towards any one. The honorable sense of friendship and support should not be the cause of hurt to others. Irrespective of age not a single person is cent percent right in all given circumstances. If we wish, we should reply to the concerned person directly, supporting the views of our friend(s) rather, in the process ending up instigating and hurting concerned members respectively.

Sri Praveen / Sri KRS ji,

Just a suggestion. Am not sure as how feasible the idea would be...

It is better to have a separate section (other than General Discussions), exclusively to discuss against the sentiments and values of Tamizh Brahmins in India. Here, like minded members can be allowed to initiate and participate on topics that focuses on Brahmin bashing and highlighting intermingling in any way, with the prime motive of suggesting tambram's contributions towards cast eradication in Hindu society.

The others, who don't support such initiatives, can just be mere spectators (if they wish). If they post against such ideas, their posts should be deleted at the earliest and the participating members of this forum should be advised to just ignore such posts and bring them to the notice of the moderators.

I think, this way, we would not have the threat of losing our valuable members and the feel of restricting new members from entering the forum and participate with their own ideas and feelings. A member may be some new kid on the block, but can not necessarily be a kid. A new member may be a matured and experienced person with his/her own values and wisdom. Just being a new entrant can not automatically mean some one who is still wet behind his/her ears.
 
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Respectable Members,

Shri Kunjuppu has himself explained the reason for his leaving this forum in his post #948,
(http://www.tamilbrahmins.com/genera...te-system-weakness-hinduism-95.html#post64644) in the following words:

"Too much have been said, in this context concerning me and at me. Many of those statements could, and am certain, will be repeated at another spark of disagreement. After all, if there is anything definitive here, it is discords and disagreements, for these are but an integral part of this or any other forum for that matter.

I don’t think I can function effectively under such a sword of Damocles hanging over each of my future postings. It would simply crimp my style and I do not wish that."

To me these words indicate that Shri Kunjuppu does not want anyone, including the moderator, to comment on whatever he writes. I feel that irrespective of all the superior qualities and abilities we may possess (or think that we possess) we should first have a sense of discipline, and the willingness to be corrected by the moderator/s. Nobody is above others, except the moderators for the time being. The forum will go on whether you or I or anyone else leaves it.

Well said Sri Sangom.....

The level of diplomacy and clarity that Sri Kunjuppu has showcased in this matter is truly appreciable.
 
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Respected members of the forum,

Though i would like to address this post to all i have specifically

given replies to some of the posts by mentioning their names. Also, I

have liberally taken quotes from a few other members which I thought

were appropriate to explain my position. I thank everybody for this.

Thanks.

I also believe that it's my responsibility to the forum to explain my

recent absence. I tried to post a couple of times. But I restrained. I

thought that way I could listen more and speak less. Moreover, I was

busy with a few personal issues till yesterday. After going through

all that has happened in the last four days, I thought I ought to

reply now.

I would like to clarify to all that I am not a fake member with a fake

Id. My id is as good as it can be. I'm the true me. I'm R.

Parthasarathy with an id by the same name. I'm a true tamil brahmin

with my own views and opinions and an access to the internet to share

my views with fellow tamil brahmins and to contribute to this forum in

whatever way possible. I think that's sufficient to become a member of

this forum.Thanks again.


To take a quote from Shri.pannvalan Ji,

"Another important point I repeatedly underscore is, nobody shall

think or believe that he/she must have the last laugh on any

subject/topic. After having exhausted all one's arguments, it will be

a gentleman like behaviour to quit that thread permanently."


To quote from Shri.C. Ravi

"AISI BAANI BOLIYE, MANN KAA AAPA KHOI
AUROn KO SHEETAL MILEY, AAPHU SHEETAL HOI....

- Speak such language, that would make your worries vanish, such that,

others should feel soothing and you too, the same.
BOLI EK AMOL HAI, JO KOI BOLE JAANI
LIYE THARAZU THOLI KE, THAB MUKH BAAHAR AANI..

- Speech is precious, who ever speaks. Should be weighed and than to

be uttered."


To quote from Shri. ShivKC


"when he twisted the JaiHind post of sh.kunjuppu, a clarification

could have been given"


My answer to this, taken from Shri.KRS Ji's response again,

"We can do that easily, but most members agree that we are all adults

here and can fairly regulate our behavior. I remember an instance

where even yourself used some harsh words against Sri RR Ji and Sri

Kunjuppu Ji reminded you both to be civil. Why Sri Kunjuppu Ji left,

in my opinion has nothing to do with what Sri RP Ji said. Please go

back and read ALL the relevant postings and you will understand."

Quote from Shri.ShivKC,

"had some of those personal attacks of sh.partha targetting sh.nara

and kunjuppu been clipped we wouldnt have ended up in such a painful

situation. can we get him back. and even if he comesback, will he be

having the same enthusiasm.

Partha twisted kunjuppus words.
Partha did personal attacks
few innocent senior souls picked upon the twisted version of partha,

and picked back on kunjuppu.

all the three mistakes must have hurt sh.kunjuppu. whats the solution.

the answer starts with a question."

My response:

I decided to answer your post in spite of sufficient number of

explanations already given so that your misconceptions about me are

removed.

I never twisted Shri.Kunjuppu's words. I called a spade a spade. I saw

an attack on the entire tambrahm ancestry which I protested, though he

personally attacked my "JaiHind" signature as well.Even then I did

not venture into personal attacks against Shri.Kunjuppu sir. I just

conveyed my hurt and agony over his statements while expressing my

strong objections to some of the personal statements Shri.Nara Ji made

against me. Please reread those posts. My anger was towards Shri. Nara

Ji's tirade against me as I had addressed to both of them separately.

I would like to make it clear that I do not belong to the category of "An insane newcomer" to the forum.

Anyway enough explanations have been already given by people like

Shri.Sangom sir, Shri.Raghy sir and Shri. KRS sir. I don't have much

to add except to request you to read all the posts throughly to

understand whatever happened. If you still feel i was wrong, I cannot

do much about it.

To Shri. Raghy sir,

To Quote from Shri. Raghy's message
"
Sri. R.Parthasarathy Sir,

Greetings. Where are you? How come you are not posting any message

here? Did you come to this forum with a negative intent as

Sri.Kunjuppu suspects? If I were you, I would have posted many

messages, just to show I am for real. I am looking forward to hear

from you.

Cheers!"

My response :

Thanks Shri.Raghy Ji. I cannot forget the timely advice that you

offered to me when things were going wrong. I had alredy acknowledged

it in one of my earlier posts. I would again thank you for that. If at

all I showed any restraint for some of the personal attacks against

me, that's because of your reminder and advice to wait long enough

before posting. That gave me time to think. That gave me time to

decide not to take any personal attacks on me personally.

PS: But I cannot bear it when you also suspect my intentions for

joining this forum. I would like to make it clear that my intentions

for joining this forum were as good as one can have. I again reiterate

to all those who are concerned that I am not a fraudster or fake

member who join a forum to create trouble there. Thanks again for your

understanding Shri.Raghy Ji.


Taking a quote from Shri.Sangom Ji, (to explain my position)

"This is not clear to me. Where did you - or, for that matter, I - got

into "discussion on policy" in the Kunjuppu Vs RP issue? I stil feel

that Shri Kunjuppu, as a very senior member and also a senior person

in age (unless RP is elder to K - we don't know, but judging by RP's

sentiments he appears to me to be young), could have shown more

restraint on his part. I have been trying to tell that the use of the

words "your grandfather" in Kunjuppu's post was not in good taste at

all; on first reading, I was also astounded by this direct attack but

later convinced myself that this could be either the Canadian style of

English or a typo for "our"; either way it was not good because this

is a global forum and we have to be extra careful in writing. That is

why, in my view, RP got flared up because he felt K was directly

insulting RP's lineage itself. For example my family chart of more

than 9 generations is with most of my family members and if someone

were to tell me that my great grandfather or great grandmother was not

born to brahmin parents, I will definitely not relish it."

That sums up it all..!! That was my stand too.


I would like to reiterate again that I have my opinions as everybody

else. If I come to know that my opinions hurt somebody, I feel very

bad for it. I introspect. I ensure that I don't be a cause for

somebody's hurt. That's the way I work. I prefer working that way.

To Shri. Kunjuppu Ji,

I would like to make one last attempt to request Shri.Kunjuppu Ji to

return back posting in this forum if he's reading this. I, like many

other members , would like to hear from you more. We, as newcomers,

may not concur with you on all your opinions.But overtime, we may see

the kind of picture you or Shri. sangom Ji have seen.I had mentioned

this in one of my earliest posts. You might note that in all my posts,

I have addressed to you politely since I have high regards for you.

You suspected my credentials, mocked at my ancestry and my signature.

I had to convey my resentment.But i already had made it clear that my

attacks were against your statements, not against you. I have nothing

personal against you or Shri.Nara Ji. If at all you feel that I'm

responsible for your departure from this forum, I'm very sorry for

that. I'm trying to make one last attempt at convincing you. I did not

concur with you only on IC marriages. Otherwise, your views and

opinions are very valuable to the forum. Kindly reconsider your

decision to quit and reconsider contributing to the forums as

always.Thanks and Regards.


To all the members again,

I would like to very much continue as a member of this esteemed,

democratic forum. I'm very happy at the way this forum is run. I

would like to contribute to the discussions as always. Please note

that if somebody is absent for a period, it may be due to several

reasons. A member could be absent if he is ill, he is busy with other

engagements or for someother reasons. Even if a member is hurt by some

of the happenings in the forum, he can take time to contemplate,

introspect and recuperate. Once ready, he would be back to the forum

if his original intentions were genuine. So, please desist from making

any conclusions about his authenticity and about the genuiness of his

id.This is just a personal request to the members of the forum.

I continue to be a proud tamil brahmin and would like to continue as a member of this forum.

Finally, my apologies for a relatively lengthy post. I couldn't help it.
 
Respected members of the forum,

Though i would like to address this post to all i have specifically

given replies to some of the posts by mentioning their names.
...
I continue to be a proud tamil brahmin and would like to continue as a member of this forum.
...

Dear Shri Parthasarathy,

Wish you a very pleasant experience in this forum - in future, that is.
 
Sri.Parthasarathy Sir said -

PS: But I cannot bear it when you also suspect my intentions for joining this forum.

Greetings. My intention was not suspecting you. If I thought like that, I would have said just that. I was sincerely wondering about your silence. More over, many members here would have wondered about your silence. As you must have observed by now, I am quite outspoken, with respect; So, I went ahead and asked the question. என் பொறுத்தவரை 'நெருப்பு' என்றால் வாய் வெந்து விடாது; 'தண்ணீர்' என்று சொல்வதாலேயே தாகம் போய் விடாது! So, kindly don't think I suspected you, please. If I suspected, I would not have said "I am looking forward to hear from you".....I would have said something else!

Cheers!
 
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My ban is being lifted this 24th but I don't think I can continue as the unpleasantness has spread wide. So I will call it a day.


RR-Signing Off.
Dear Shri RR,

Whether you participate in this forum after the ban is lifted is your decision. Personally I will suggest that you utilise the time to be spend here also in your studies. Whatever that may be, rest assured that the members here don't have any unpleasantness towards you. We are all your well-wishers.
 
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Sri. Sangom sir,

Greetings. I think you meant to say 'don't have any unpleasantness'..'don't' is missing. (post #972)

Cheers!
 
Sri. Sangom sir,

Greetings. I think you meant to say 'don't have any unpleasantness'..'don't' is missing. (post #972)

Cheers!

Dear Shri Raghy,

A thousand thanks! Perhaps my faculties are slo...wly getting weaker. Please do correct me in future also; not that I will be less careful.

Shri Ramanujan, Kindly read my post after the correction.
 
Sri.B.Krishnamoorthy Sir said -

I went through the post of Mr.R.Parthasarathy, Mr.Kunjuppu and Mr.Sangom.In my considered opinion Mr.R.Parthasarathy is to be blamed for this episode.
I would request All members to read Mr.R.Parthasarathy's post no 839 giving reply to Mr.KUNJUPPU.Now read post no 852 from Mr.KUNJUPPU seeking clarification from Mr.Parthasarathy to which Mr.Partha clarifies in post no 853 alleging that Mr.KUNJUPPU used certain words though in fact Mr.Kunjuppu did not say exactly those words.
Greetings Sir! Kindly allow me to disagree with you, please. Sri. Parthasarathy did not twist or change any of Sri.Kunjuppu's words. All Sri.Parthasarathy did was 'emphasising' a portion of Sri.Kunjuppu's words.

In post # 832 Sri.Kunjuppu said this - (quoting part of the message only)
The eroding of the rigidity of the caste system is good for tamil Hinduism, though the process is trifle too slow for my comfort. I think, it is good that priests have to qualify to become one, irrespective of caste, and only out of interests.

This does not mean that Brahmin as an identity to disappear, in my view. Just like chettiars or gounders, we too can have an identity based on food and certain customs. I think, we need to augment our numbers, particularly in tamil nadu, by bringing others into our fold primarily through marriage. An infusion of fresh blood will also remove the any residual genetic defects through several generations of marrying within the same blood.

I am hopeful, because I think barring the certain participants in this forum, the community at large, has embraced changes and rolled merrily along the path of reformation. From that aspect alone, I am proud to be termed as a tamil Brahmin.
Sri.Parthasarathy reproduced it in post #853 as this
"The eroding of the rigidity of the caste system is good for tamil Hinduism, though the process is trifle too slow for my comfort. I think, it is good that priests have to qualify to become one, irrespective of caste, and only out of interests.

This does not mean that Brahmin as an identity to disappear, in my view. Just like chettiars or gounders, we too can have an identity based on food and certain customs. I think, we need to augment our numbers, particularly in tamil nadu, by bringing others into our fold primarily through marriage. An infusion of fresh blood will also remove the any residual genetic defects through several generations of marrying within the same blood.

I am hopeful, because I think barring the certain participants in this forum, the community at large, has embraced changes and rolled merrily along the path of reformation. From that aspect alone, I am proud to be termed as a tamil Brahmin."
Excepting the underlining and emphasising (which can be expected in a debate situation), I don't see any editing by sri.Parthasarathy.

When Sri.Kunjuppu said
partha, you have distorted my words beyond recognition and reworded in your image. you are welcome to dislike ic [COLOR=#DA7911 ! important][COLOR=#DA7911 ! important]marriages[/COLOR][/COLOR]
. nothing wrong with that. but i think it is wrong to word it the way you did.
, that charge was unfounded. That was why I posted my next message to Sri.Parthasarathy (post #855) trying to show a different way of seeing those words from Sri.Kunjuppu.

Since I was watching the conversation at that time, I know the words were not twisted or changed. I had no interest to enter the debate between Sri.Parthasarathy and Sri.Kunjuppu. I was having a little discussion with Sri.Sangom.

I am writing this message to show the sequence of events. I did not jump in that thread out of the blue; just like others, I was also observing the conversations.

Cheers!
 
toDear Mr.Raghy,
Mr.Kunjuppu said in post 832(03/12/2010)
AN infusion of fresh Blood Will also remove any genetic defects through several generations of marrying within the same Blood.
Shri.R.Parthasarathy said in post no 839:
As Somebody suggested,We need to infuse DALIT blood into the Brahmins to sanctify our genes.We need a gene COCKTAIL to avoid the tyranny.
Mr.Kunjuppu in his post 852 sought clarification from Shri.Parthasarathy as to who said and in what thread.

In his clarification post Mr.R.Parthasarathy simply quotes what Mr.Kunjuppu said in Bold,but simply avoids as to why he made such a comment in his post 839
"As SOMEBODY SUGGESTED WE NEED TO INFUSE DALIT BLOOD INTO THE BRAHMINS TO SANCTIFY OUR GENES>WE NEED A GENE COCKTAIL TO AVOID THIS TYRANNY.
Even in his latest post no 968 Shri.R.P maitains:
I NEVER Twisted Shri.KUNJUPPU's WORDS.I CALLED A SPADE A SPADE.
in my opinion Shri.R.Partha should clarify his comments in post no 839 as he is not able to name any member as to wanted DALIT BLOOD should be infused into the Brahmins.

When I was 10 years old in 1943 I had occasion to visit my mother's native village'VISHNAMPET' near TIRUKKATTUPPALLI where Brahmins after taking Bath in river 'KOLLIDAM' and returning home used to shout"THEENDATHEY" in tamil and all women labour folk working in the fields will go a distance till the Brahmins leave.LET US BE TRUE TO OUR CONSCIENCE.
Even in my family we have a 10 generation chart.
Still I do not know while doing 'THARPAN' i am required to say the following manthra.
GYATHA AGYATHA pithrun(KNOWN &UNKNOWN FOREFATHERS.
 
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Sri. B. Krishnamurthy Sir,

Greetings. With due respect to your message in post #977, I request you to consider, the possibility of misinterpretation, please. If something can be intertreted in diffrent meanings, then it is the responsibility of the author to explain his/her point of view. the phrase "Marrying within the same blood" can be taken as 1. Marrying within relatives and 2. Marrying within the caste/community etc. Since the original author had not given the clear interpretation, there was room for misinterpretations by others. My point is, Sri.RP's interpretation differed to that of Sri.Kunjuppu; that's all.

About the Thrpana Mantra - Due to constant migrations, many of us may not know our linage beyond great grand father; but that does not mean we may not have great great grand father, does it? Again it is open for interpretations.

About untouchability, denying facts were not the issue in that discussion. So, in my opinion, the discussion about 'oththippo' did not turn the discussion ugly.

Cheers!
 
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