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Is the caste system weakness of Hinduism?

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Setting a Great precedent in here.
Equality my foot.
Boss, if you are looking for your foot, I suggest you go to a mirror and look at your face, most likely you will find it in your mouth.

Don't you have to study or something. I see that you are temporarily banned, this should give you an opportunity to not visit this site and spend your time usefully somewhere else.

take it easy mawn
 
we lost a pole-star kunjuppu. had some of those personal attacks of sh.partha targetting sh.nara and kunjuppu been clipped we wouldnt have ended up in such a painful situation. can we get him back. and even if he comesback, will he be having the same enthusiasm.

Partha twisted kunjuppus words.
Partha did personal attacks
few innocent senior souls picked upon the twisted version of partha, and picked back on kunjuppu.

all the three mistakes must have hurt sh.kunjuppu. whats the solution. the answer starts with a question.

inefficient moderation and personal egos, i feel so. its my personal feel.
Dear Sri ShivKC Ji,
Can you elaborate on the 'inefficient moderation' part? Please give examples so that we can learn.
 
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Respectable members,

Greetings. It is only human to make errors. Important thing is, we have to learn from our mistakes. I wish to make following suggestion to the Admin and Moderators of this forum. I invite members to kindly contribute/comment about those suggestions, please.

1. There should be restrictions placed on new memberships in opening threads in number of posts and quality of posts. Moderators are doing a great job in deciding the quality, so far.

2. Other members should refrain from getting into debates/discussions on policy matters when a new member in involved. Chances are, we may scare them awway/we may be debating for someone else's pleasure. I admit, I was guilty of that in the recent saga. I request the forum to pardon me for that, please.

3. The moderators may consider 'reference' method for the new members while joining. Some of the members may be invited to join by an other honorable member; in such cases, restrictions may not be applied to such members as in opening threads (We have few great contributors who came here on invitation).

There may be more ways to safe guard our interests. I request the members to contribute their thoughts on this, please. Thanks.

(Sri.Kunjuppu, if you are 'keeping the cool' like Sri.Nara mentioned, I think, all you have to do is, look out the window at the snow covered grounds. Kindly don't spend too long to keep the cool; it's December, you may get Pneumonia if you stayed out too long!).

Cheers!
 
TO ALL MEMBERS
Just now I was going through the thread 'FEED BACK AND SUGGESTIONS"-TAMILBRAHMIN.COM-'NAMADU INAYA THALAM(IN TAMIL).Some useful discussions have been recorded.Every New member should be advised to go through that Thread.
Mr.SHIVKC had raised in one thread a querry as to why Nbs are allowed as member of this forum.It was Mr.Kunjuppu who raised an objection and tried to convince the member by his style of writing This issue has also been discussed by several members in the above thread.
Now Mr.ShivKC has written twice in this thread admiring the writings of Mr.Kunjuppu and requesting Mr.Kunjuppu to come back HOME.
If this spirit is observed by every member I do not find any reason for personal rifts.
 
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Shri Krishnamurthy sir and Shri Raghy Sir

Good suggestions

Thanks
Revathi
 
Something psychologically wrong with this person and his personality make up.
Hi Shri pannvalan

Long time No see - I thought I drove you out because of the other thread!

Good to have to you back and I miss your tamil postings sir!

BTW, whom do you mean ?

Namaskarams
Revathi
 
Hi Shri pannvalan

Long time No see - I thought I drove you out because of the other thread!

Good to have to you back and I miss your tamil postings sir!

BTW, whom do you mean ?

Namaskarams
Revathi

OK,I got it - Sorry I did not visit the forum during the week days . Now I understand whom you mean.

Yea, I also think so. I feel he is goal less in life.
 
Hey Revathi,

Certainly not you. I meant the person who keeps on bombarding with his own posts one after another.

Thanks - I never thought it was me! I did not know actually whom were you referringing to due to the various colours this thread has taken (I have not contributed to this thread, so basically i know I am safe :)
 
Respectable members,

Greetings. It is only human to make errors. Important thing is, we have to learn from our mistakes. I wish to make following suggestion to the Admin and Moderators of this forum. I invite members to kindly contribute/comment about those suggestions, please.

1. There should be restrictions placed on new memberships in opening threads in number of posts and quality of posts. Moderators are doing a great job in deciding the quality, so far.

Dear Shri Raghy,

It seems to me that the suggestion to clamp restrictions "on new memberships in opening threads in number of posts and quality of posts", is somewhat impractical, because who is to decide the quality? Secondly, is this a sort of class test or something where we will judge quality by contents, language, style, etc?

2. Other members should refrain from getting into debates/discussions on policy matters when a new member in involved. Chances are, we may scare them awway/we may be debating for someone else's pleasure. I admit, I was guilty of that in the recent saga. I request the forum to pardon me for that, please.
This is not clear to me. Where did you - or, for that matter, I - got into "discussion on policy" in the Kunjuppu Vs RP issue? I stil feel that Shri Kunjuppu, as a very senior member and also a senior person in age (unless RP is elder to K - we don't know, but judging by RP's sentiments he appears to me to be young), could have shown more restraint on his part. I have been trying to tell that the use of the words "your grandfather" in Kunjuppu's post was not in good taste at all; on first reading, I was also astounded by this direct attack but later convinced myself that this could be either the Canadian style of English or a typo for "our"; either way it was not good because this is a global forum and we have to be extra careful in writing. That is why, in my view, RP got flared up because he felt K was directly insulting RP's lineage itself. For example my family chart of more than 9 generations is with most of my family members and if someone were to tell me that my great grandfather or great grandmother was not born to brahmin parents, I will definitely not relish it.

But what I now find is to absolve Shri Kunjuppu of any fault on his side and to blame everyone else including the moderation; all for what? Not checking RP, and not for not moderating Kunjuppu. If this is the prevailing sentiment of this forum it will become (if it has not already) a club of a privileged few with unhindered veto powers, like the UN security council. So it is futile to think of inviting or retaining any new member who does not toe the line of the privileged few. This is exactly what I referred to as "caucus".

3. The moderators may consider 'reference' method for the new members while joining. Some of the members may be invited to join by an other honorable member; in such cases, restrictions may not be applied to such members as in opening threads (We have few great contributors who came here on invitation).
This is workable but supposing the invited member turns out to be having opinions like those of RP, what will happen? On the other hand, someone with a preset agenda may bring in a lot of people and scuttle the whole forum.

I would suggest that we insist on full details of the new (as well as existing members) including their ideas on the (seemingly) vital points here viz., the member's ideas about brahmin superiority, caste system, inter-caste marriages of brahmins with non-brahmins, degree of attachment to religious ideas and customs, gurujis, swamijis, mathams, etc., whether he/she will be able to tolerate criticism of all these, etc., and admit him/her only if found suitable, and not automatically.
 
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Look Mr Ihaveabackup. Your posts convey this kind of message - I am a human whether I am a lady or not and I am entitled to form a opinion - Like you form about the learned persons like Shri Nara and Shri KRS.

Please go back to your studies - believe us most of us come to this forum after meeting our career , family and monetary needs and have some experience in life. (Think Shrimathi VR madam emphasized this)

I know you are 23 , young, yet to pursue a career and a good deal to go.So - please take this advise (others including whomever you are mentioning including me have nothing to lose because of your rantings - In fact I can block your posts to be shown when I come to this forum) - You have a lot to lose if you continue to have this attitude.

may God bless you and since you are a devotee of Ranganatha, I pray to Ranganatha to direct you in the right direction

thats all I have to say and In fact I did not reply to you earlier and I replied to shri Pannvalan and will not reply to you in future.

Even after reading this, if you want you may continue the ramblings as you like and I pity your parents !

God Bless

( As I am posting this, I am receiving a private message from you and be assured, PM will be ignored)
 
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but it doesn't give any right to Nara to personally attack me.
"calling me Mawn and telling me that my foot is in my mouth".
RR, I did not mean anything negative with "mawn", all I was trying to say was "man" in the sense a Caribbean resident would say man, that is all. I really did not know "mawn" had the meaning you found out googling it.

I hope you will let go of this. If you have any further issues about it please PM me and I will try to answer your questions as best as I can.

Cheers!m
 
Dear Sri ShivKC Ji,
Can you elaborate on the 'inefficient moderation' part? Please give examples so that we can learn.

i know moderation is the most difficult task and needs extra vigilant. but i personally feel there is a lapse in moderation. let no one take my statement as personal.when partha was engaged in personal attack on both sh.nara and sh.kunjuppu, a caution could have been given. i feel he was supported or encouraged by many a members, for want of new bloods and increased forum activeness. when he twisted the JaiHind post of sh.kunjuppu, a clarification could have been given.many a people may not understand the style of american english of kunjuppu or nara, and get offended. for eg, the mouth on foot or jai hind. out there moderation could have taken the side of those who felt offended and explained them.

and the last 15 recent posts by few newly created id's, with no meaningful writ ups, should be clipped instantly.

the best solution is for the moderator to engage equally active in the forum with his own postsb and timely intervene to put of the fire in the initial stages, than doing a fire fighting after loosing some of the most respected members, than like a remote control with clipping scissors on hand.

may be moderator should open an exclusive thread titled kujuppu and drive the members in welcoming him back, requesting him to join back.. would be a wonderful initiative. i am sure sh.kujuppu might be reading this, would get convinced and come back.

i think moderator should take all his efforts to impress and influence kunjuppu to make a coming back. i would leave the responsibility to the moderator. after all moderator is also the most influential person in any of the forum, not just a police man
 
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Do you have any idea of the amount of hurt you have caused me.
RR, I am really sorry for the hurt you feel. Sometimes these things happen even when they are not intended. I hope you can find it in your heart to leave all this behind, let go of whatever that was said. We all make mistakes, nobody is perfect.

Cheers!
 
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Ramanjujan, I have nothing against you, personally. But, we every one of us must exhibit some etiquette and self restraint when we interact with others in a public forum like this.

I fully agree with you, what Prof Nara told is also indecent to say the least. Unfortunately, some members of this forum use high degree of sophistication or American slangs or phrases to camouflage their real intent and still get away with it. Any person of howsoever high stature, has no right at all to wound or hurt another human being's feelings and insult him/her in the presence of many others.

We may clash on our ideologies, thoughts, attitudes, beliefs and convictions. Nevertheless, we shall not condescend to indulge in personal attacks or passing vituperative comments against another individual. This is wrong. Whoever does this, the moderator must act immediately to mercilessly remove the objectionable parts of such posts.

Having allowed the debate to go to intolerable lengths and then acting against only one person - usually the newcomer - is quite unfair and partisan. Another point is banning a member shall be avoided. If the moderator keeps on editing the posts of a particular ill-behaved member, that person will go away himself. Alternatively, to reduce the heat, a member may be suspended for a specified number of days - not more than 30 days, preferably.

"கடிதோச்சி மெல்ல எறிக" says, Thiruvalluvar. Simply because one has powers to punish another, such powers cannot be and shall not be used at the slightest provocation, even if the other person makes a mistake or behaves wrongly. Such powers shall be sparingly used.

We must understand when we cannot foster unity amongst ourselves, it is better to keep away for quite sometime.

Another important point I repeatedly underscore is, nobody shall think or believe that he/she must have the last laugh on any subject/topic. After having exhausted all one's arguments, it will be a gentleman like behaviour to quit that thread permanently.

சொல்லுறதச் சொல்லிப் புட்டேன்;
கேக்குற துன்னாக் கேட்டுக்கங்க;
இல்லை யின்னா விட்டுடுங்க.
 
That's it. Don't worry. I will never return to TBF. Goodbye to one and all.
God Bless Sangom Sir-He is a great guy.

sir, you took shots, blown emotional outbursts,stirred the pond and made the water muck brown. in the process, we have also lost a gem of a member sh.kunjuppu. after doing such a damage, now you wants to quit, which is not fair. better stay, come clean, rectify the damages done by you. also by hook or crook make sh.kunjuppu to come back. you did the damage, and please set it right, than escaping from it. the responsibility is on you to get back sh.kunjuppu.

then you may quit.
 
Dear R. Ramanujan,

Just keep in mind the below Dhoha of Saint Sri Kabeer Das..

AISI BAANI BOLIYE, MANN KAA AAPA KHOI
AUROn KO SHEETAL MILEY, AAPHU SHEETAL HOI....

- Speak such language, that would make your worries vanish, such that, others should feel soothing and you too, the same.

BOLI EK AMOL HAI, JO KOI BOLE JAANI
LIYE THARAZU THOLI KE, THAB MUKH BAAHAR AANI..

- Speech is precious, who ever speaks. Should be weighed and than to be uttered.

Dear R.Ramanujan, just a friendly suggestion..

You are young and have hot blood, energy and curiosity to learn and excel. Channelize these energies for your progress, health and knowledge. If you could spare your time out of your studies, contribute your knowledge and ideas in the threads here, that can really serve your purpose of gaining and sharing knowledge, worth for your advancements.

Don't indulge yourself in social issues and controversial topics that are critical even for the elders to address and debate. Be in good books of all and seek their blessings. Don't be a cause of trouble to others in any way and don't get yourself in psychological disturbances. This would help you to maintain harmony within you.

Be cool and attractive like Sri Ranganathar, be in your true path of progress and make genuine efforts to have a girl like Mahalkshmi as your life partner.


You will have your time and wisdom to share and debate on any topic.


Take care of yourself..
 
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Dear Sri ShivKC Ji,

Thank you for elaborating your comments. My comments in 'blue':

i know moderation is the most difficult task and needs extra vigilant. but i personally feel there is a lapse in moderation. let no one take my statement as personal.when partha was engaged in personal attack on both sh.nara and sh.kunjuppu, a caution could have been given.
Okay, fair enough. Can you pin point which statements that Sri RP Ji made 'against' Sri Kunjuppu Ji and Professor Nara Ji that needed moderation? I need specific examples, before I accept your conclusion. By the way, when you select such instances, also be ready to go back and see what statements others made FIRST that may be construed as personal attacks on him by Sri RP Ji.
i feel he was supported or encouraged by many a members, for want of new bloods and increased forum activeness. when he twisted the JaiHind post of sh.kunjuppu, a clarification could have been given.many a people may not understand the style of american english of kunjuppu or nara, and get offended. for eg, the mouth on foot or jai hind. out there moderation could have taken the side of those who felt offended and explained them.
I am American and I do not think that there is a separate English that carries any different meaning. In my opinion, Sri Kunjuppu Ji's statement stands by itself and is clear. Sri RP Ji reacted the way he should have reacted given the direct and explicit meaning of what Sri Kunjuppu Ji said. Without any overt personal attacks that exceed the Forum standards, why should the moderator intervene here, when proper discussions are going on?

and the last 15 recent posts by few newly created id's, with no meaningful writ ups, should be clipped instantly.
As soon as Sri Praveen Ji and I saw the posts they were deleted and the offender banned. We can not be on the Forum 24/7.

the best solution is for the moderator to engage equally active in the forum with his own postsb and timely intervene to put of the fire in the initial stages, than doing a fire fighting after loosing some of the most respected members, than like a remote control with clipping scissors on hand.
We can do that easily, but most members agree that we are all adults here and can fairly regulate our behavior. I remember an instance where even yourself used some harsh words against Sri RR Ji and Sri Kunjuppu Ji reminded you both to be civil. Why Sri Kunjuppu Ji left, in my opinion has nothing to do with what Sri RP Ji said. Please go back and read ALL the relevant postings and you will understand.

may be moderator should open an exclusive thread titled kujuppu and drive the members in welcoming him back, requesting him to join back.. would be a wonderful initiative. i am sure sh.kujuppu might be reading this, would get convinced and come back.
Enough people have said enough things to tell him to be back. I think that this Forum is bigger than any individual. If you so want to have him back, I hope that you are in private touch with him.

i think moderator should take all his efforts to impress and influence kunjuppu to make a coming back. i would leave the responsibility to the moderator. after all moderator is also the most influential person in any of the forum, not just a police man
Sri Kunjuppu Ji and I go a long way back in this Forum. That is why I deleted his resignation post and have publicly asked him not to quit along with scores of others. It is now up to Sri Kunjuppu Ji to decide what is important - to stay away or to come back, within the context of his valuable contributions here. This would be his personal decision. Either way, the Forum will continue on.

Regards,
KRS
 
Dear Sri Raghy Ji and Sri Sangom Ji,

This is in response to your discussion over the Forum structure and rules. Here is my take:

1. I do not think that any sort of restriction should be placed on new members joining and contributing. This will have an adverse effect on the growth/vibrancy of the Forum.

2. Our esteemed members should leave the job of moderation to the moderators. This include any censorship, warnings, banning etc. We are committed to 'fair and balanced' moderation that is not too intrusive. Behavior will be censored, not ideas.

3. Moderation has been, is and will be transparent as much as possible - except in a few cases where personal information is involved.

4. We split the Forum topics in places where controversial topics can be discussed and where they should be avoided, e.g, on Philosophy. Please read the blurb under each Forum topic to understand this.

5. Controversial topics fuel the Forum, as long as they are within the bounds of Forum rules.

If you have any suggestions about any of this, please let us know.

Regards,
KRS
 
Dear Sri Raghy Ji and Sri Sangom Ji,

This is in response to your discussion over the Forum structure and rules. Here is my take:

1. I do not think that any sort of restriction should be placed on new members joining and contributing. This will have an adverse effect on the growth/vibrancy of the Forum.

2. Our esteemed members should leave the job of moderation to the moderators. This include any censorship, warnings, banning etc. We are committed to 'fair and balanced' moderation that is not too intrusive. Behavior will be censored, not ideas.

3. Moderation has been, is and will be transparent as much as possible - except in a few cases where personal information is involved.

4. We split the Forum topics in places where controversial topics can be discussed and where they should be avoided, e.g, on Philosophy. Please read the blurb under each Forum topic to understand this.

5. Controversial topics fuel the Forum, as long as they are within the bounds of Forum rules.

If you have any suggestions about any of this, please let us know.

Regards,
KRS

Dear Shri KRS,

I fully agree with your views.
 
Dear kutumbam,

I would like to say good bye in peace, leave in peace and leave peace behind.

I notice a lot of acriminous postings here, centring around me. At the end of it, when the storm blows over, all will be left with is scars. There can be no winners in this type of a situation.

At this point, it really does not matter whether partha is legit or not. I think we have gone beyond that. Neither sangom nor raghy are any more responsible for this nastiness than I. After all it was I who started this all.

In another time I would have clarified or put in the effort to clear up the matter. But I do not have the energy or inclination to do it any more.

Too much have been said, in this context concerning me and at me. Many of those statements could, and am certain, will be repeated at another spark of disagreement. After all, if there is anything definitive here, it is discords and disagreements, for these are but an integral part of this or any other forum for that matter.

I don’t think I can function effectively under such a sword of Damocles hanging over each of my future postings. It would simply crimp my style and I do not wish that.

Words, it is said, seal the fates. This is another occasion, I think, where this adage is proved.

For me, it is time to move on. I wish to depart leaving many of my enjoyable memories here and to me that is enough.

For those who wrote to me and wished me well, please consider this a personal thank you. Much appreciated.

God Bless.
 
Dear Kunjuppu,

For obvious reasons, I do not want to send a personal message to you. I very well understand you are deeply hurt and I am very sorry.

I purposely kept out of this thread, because the way it was going in the last 20 days was not to my liking.

I request you to take a sabbatical rest and then come back. I am confident that you cannot permanently leave this forum with which you have been emotionally attached all these months.

With this, I leave this thread.


Love and Regards,
pannvalan
 
Dear Sri ShivKC Ji,

Thank you for elaborating your comments. My comments in 'blue':

Can you pin point which statements that Sri RP Ji made 'against' Sri Kunjuppu Ji and Professor Nara Ji that needed moderation? I need specific examples, before I accept your conclusion. By the way, when you select such instances, also be ready to go back and see what statements others made FIRST that may be construed as personal attacks on him by Sri RP Ji.

Regards,
KRS

sh,krs, just a quick scan thrugh all partha's post, his venoms are all scattered around available for anyone to read

for a quick review, i have pasted few pionts

God will punish you

I CANNOT TAKE ANY MORE REPLIES FROM MR.HONOURABLE.SHRI. NARA WHO HAS SUCH A "BIG HEART" AND "small lungs.

I can see sh.kunjuppu smiling so hard over his "victory" as he was amply supported by his friend Naara who stooped to such low levels of morality as he is shouting from canada with his small lungs...


He wasn't even given a warning I thing
 
Sri. R.Parthasarathy Sir,

Greetings. Where are you? How come you are not posting any message here? Did you come to this forum with a negative intent as Sri.Kunjuppu suspects? If I were you, I would have posted many messages, just to show I am for real. I am looking forward to hear from you.

Cheers!
It has been two days, and, what a surprise (not) no reply. He had his 15 minutes of fame and he is gone, and in the milieu we are short a thoughtful long standing member. One thing is clear, RP is not the reason he left.

This forum will go on, it is not about a single member. As we move on, as we must, let no one think this was no big deal.
 
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