kuruvi kootam

[Somayaji.S]

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I do NOT have any "angst",whatever it may mean. I want to see things logically.

 

[prasad1]

ANGST:
Angst means fear or anxiety (anguish is its Latinate equivalent, and anxious, anxiety are of similar origin). It is used in English to describe an intense feeling of apprehension, anxiety or inner turmoil.

 

[sarang]

I have replaced the word 'angst'n in #100; hope the substitute is more in line.

I do NOT have any "angst",whatever it may mean. I want to see things logically.

 

[amala]

They can be wealthy but should they?

 

[vijay_sivasubramanian]

Changes happen, it does not matter whether it is to our liking or not. We can provode guideline, but we can not dictate it. Similarly the younger generation may want to follow the guideline but circumstances forces them in a different direction. So we have to adapt and accept reality as it happens.

What are these "circumstances" and who creates these "circumstances"? I believe a major portion of the responsibility lies with the parent/elders; either by setting good examples or by teaching them good values. I do believe that the former is a more effective way. This is what I meant when I said "helping them develop the right temperament and mental infrastructure" to make decisions. Ofcourse, what happens 50 years down the line is anybody's guess.

So we have to adapt and accept reality as it happens.

This, I think is what is said in tamil as "chappai kattu kattardu" in a humours way If this is the line of thought, further discussion is not required.

I again repeat, if a brahmin child doesn't grow up to be a good brahmin/responsible citizen, major responsibility lies with the upbringing by parent/elders. If I do not perform my nithya karma/tharpanam etc. etc., I should not expect my child to uphold these traditions.

Vijay

 

[sarang]

Well said sir.

But there is a possibility that the next generation reinvents and becomes an upholder. I have seen this in a few cases.

I again repeat, if a brahmin child doesn't grow up to be a good brahmin/responsible citizen, major responsibility lies with the upbringing by parent/elders. If I do not perform my nithya karma/tharpanam etc. etc., I should not expect my child to uphold these traditions.

Vijay

 

[zebra16]

They can be wealthy but should they?

When we question whether "should they" be wealthy, are we not becoming judgemental and try to impose our views on them?

Much worse, we also speak in multiple voices. We question whether "they" are charitable (there was a thread highlighting charity/endowment fund of Bill Gates, Warren Buffet etc. and a sort of hint that Indians shy away from philonthrophy), some of us bemoan that they do not lift the finger to help the poor brahmins and others (the bad state of temples, no support to veda paTashalas, the pitiable condition of temple priests). Most of the "other brahmins" sneer at the relatively limited no. of wealthy brahmins, throw the scriptures at them (as also some select quotes of Sankaracharya et all) questioning their wealth in the first instance but wish in their heart that somehow the wealthy would help them (the poorer brethern) out of their problems (mostly financial or employment related).

Without wealth, how can one be charitable or philanthropic etc. beats my logic. (There is a saying in Hindi "nange ne bhooke ko loot liya" - the naked one has robbed the hungry one). This sort of summarises some of our expectations, if there were no wealthy brahmins around.

 

[sarang]

One of the six occupations permitted to brahmins oft quoted by all is 'giving danam'; how to give unless earned?

 

[prasad1]

What are these "circumstances" and who creates these "circumstances"? I believe a major portion of the responsibility lies with the parent/elders; either by setting good examples or by teaching them good values. I do believe that the former is a more effective way. This is what I meant when I said "helping them develop the right temperament and mental infrastructure" to make decisions. Ofcourse, what happens 50 years down the line is anybody's guess.



This, I think is what is said in tamil as "chappai kattu kattardu" in a humours way If this is the line of thought, further discussion is not required.

I again repeat, if a brahmin child doesn't grow up to be a good brahmin/responsible citizen, major responsibility lies with the upbringing by parent/elders. If I do not perform my nithya karma/tharpanam etc. etc., I should not expect my child to uphold these traditions.

Vijay

Mr. Vijay,
Not to be argumentative but you are only considering the facts as far as you know.
Let us assume that someone brought up their child in "brahmin" household, and the child is the "ideal" child and does exactly as per his upbringing (that itself is probably a lie).
He joins NASA and is chosen for Mars mission, he is preparing for this year long journey. He finds he is not able to do

nithya karma/tharpanam etc. etc.

. Do you want him to give up his dream, or do you give him pass, and satisfy yourself with some "prayaschittam" (for yours and his guilt)?

Similarly if the daughter marries a NB, or someone from other religion, do you give up your daughter, or accept the reality.
If you still have not found grounds to compromise, then either you are not able to empathizes, or you are not being honest.

We all compromise or suffer endlessly (hell).