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Let's objectively see the effect of Prayers

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Dear Sravna Sir,

Spiritual power DID exist! But can the power exist now, is the main point to be analyzed. Most of the theists are wishing to get

help from God / Goddess all the time. When something good happens they are happy that the boon is granted. When they don't

get what they wish for, they tend to blame the Almighty for that! This is basic human nature.

We can be a well wishers of the humanity but nothing is in our hands. Some super power controls the whole world and we have

to admit that.

Now, I am also worried that you might feel lost, if the temperature chart for five days given in my earlier post does NOT change

because of our prayers!

The best idea is to pray 'sarvE janA sukhinO bhavanthu' and :hail: to God.
 
Dear RR madam, Renu

Everyone knows what the forecast for the next 5 days is. the average temperature for the next 5 days according to the forecast is close to 37 degrees.

Here's the deal. I will give up my belief in spirituality if the average temperature for the next 5 days crosses 34 degrees. But Renu then you will have to accept it is not by chance because with such sophisticated technology used for prediction, a deviation of 3 degrees from the forecast cannot be by chance.
 
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Dear RR madam, Renu

Everyone knows what the forecast for the next 5 days is. the average temperature for the next 5 days according to the forecast is close to 37 degrees.

Here's the deal. I will give up my belief in spirituality if the average temperature for the next 5 days crosses 34 degrees. But Renu then you will have to accept it is not by chance because with such sophisticated technology used for prediction, a deviation of 3 degrees from the forecast cannot be by chance.
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Dear Sravna,

Dont you get it?? I am NOT asking you to give up your believe in Spirituality.There are subtle forces that mankind is yet to understand or even identify for the matter.

Without proper evidence I cant deny anything either..but I have to agree with TKS ji..that whatever power we choose to call it....it still has to follow the law of nature.

Sravna I am NOT getting involved in this..cos I am not there in front of you to know your actual mindset..any challenges like this could lead to extreme disappointment or extreme euphoria which can have disastrous consequences.

In fact I am wondering if I should ask Praveen to close this thread cos its heading into a mentally unhealthy direction.

Sravna..I am sure RR ji wont agree with what you plan to do too.

I am actually taking a lot of time today to respond to your each and every post.

More than this I really cant advise you.

Please understand..only you can help yourself.
 
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Dear Renu,

Take it easy. There is nothing to be so concerned about. I just prefer if people just don't make statements and shy away when an opportunity is offered to verify the veracity of their beliefs. Either stick with your beliefs without saying they are scientific or just please refrain from making statements which you want everybody to accept at its face value.
 
Dear Sravna Sir,

When I posted the weather forecast, today's temp was 34 and the following four days were 37 degrees.

When I check now, it shows 35 today, 34 on Friday and 37 for the next three days (Sat, Sun and Mon)

Surprise that weather keeps changing every few hours! :)
 
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Dear Renu,

Take it easy. There is nothing to be so concerned about. I just prefer if people just don't make statements and shy away when an opportunity is offered to verify the veracity of their beliefs. Either stick with your beliefs without saying they are scientific or just please refrain from making statements which you want everybody to accept at its face value.
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Dear Sravna,

Today I have "failed" to make a person understand how important is the to have our mind in the right track.

I accept my 'defeat' and rest my case..no amount of reasoning can make you understand what I was trying to convey.

It does not matter that it took a lot of my time today but at least I did what I had to do.

Take Care Sravna..may you get an Airconditioning Unit that blows at 20C all year long.

Loka Samastha Sravna ca Sukhino Bhavantu
 
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Dear Sravna Sir,

When I posted the weather forecast, today's temp was 34 and the following four days were 37 degrees.

When I check now, it shows 35 today, 34 on Friday and 37 for the next three days (Sat, Sun and Mon)

Surprise that weather keeps changing every few hours! :)
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Dear Smt.RR,

If I will not be taken to task for what I am going to say, let me suggest that the effect of prayers may also be on the forecast temperatures because the prayers are for an enduring change in temperatures. One can verify this by checking if such drastic changes in forecast are common.

May I venture to add that I noticed the temperature of chennai is among the lowest of of all major cities including Bangalore. I am not sure if this happens in March. One may verify this also.
 
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Dear Shri TKS, Renu

I think arguments are of no avail when pitted against beliefs. So the only way to convince is to actually demosntrate.

Let me do this. For the next week will pray for lower temp and the week after that not pray and the next week after that for lower temp. So if my theory is right the middle week should record higher temp than the other 2 weeks. Would you agree that this cannot be by chance?

Or check the forecast and choose your weeks if you want to.
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There is no idea of taking anyone to task. It is not about anything personal since you yourself asserted you are not doing this for your ego.

If you have background in statistics there are statistical methods of establishing correlation and even then the correlation is recognized within a certain range of probability.

To prove cause and effect extensive data in a controlled manner is needed.

The most difficult thing in any such studies is around eliminating other causes that tend to be outside our experimental control.

It took a lot of data to show how human behavior affects the environment (climate change or so called Global warming) and there are many scientists that are still not convinced.

If you want to bring scientific method into the discussions then you have to devise a study that can yield statistically significant results eliminating many variables that can skew the result.

After all many drugs would be marketed right away if the proof needed is some anecdotal evidence.


The models used for weather prediction is hardly scientific and cannot serve as a baseline.

Your proposed test cannot prove or disprove anything .
If you want to propose a statistically significant model to establish cause and effect then I will review and get statistical experts to verify that model of study is valid. At that point you can conduct such a study.

No one is going to design such a study. It will also be very expensive beyond what we can imagine.

No one is going to fund such a study.

There is no science in your proposed test and hence it will not sway anyone's view. So why bother?

Since you are convinced in your belief you do not need others to support you.

I am not against you praying for any change unlike others since I do not think you will cause harm to others or even yourself.
 
Dear Shri TKS,

Statistical methods are used as you say to establish cause-effect correlation . Let me just state a fact that I can modify the temperature at will. I do not think there is really a need for any statistical model in such a case. I am sure one can come up with simple ways to find out the truth.

If you are ready to test this assertion of mine I am willing to put it to test.
 
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Dear Shri TKS,

Statistical methods are used as you say to establish cause-effect correlation . Let me just state a fact that I can modify the temperature at will. I do not think there is really a need for any statistical model in such a case. I am sure one can come up with simple ways to find out the truth.

If you are ready to test this assertion of mine I am willing to put it to test.
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The global warming / Global Climate change is real in the minds of most scientists.
Recently (last week) there was a show on HBO (called Vice) that showed dramatic pictures with catastrophic scientific predictions based on analysis of data.

I am providing the following two references for those interested

Study: Greenland Melting is More Pervasive, Adding to Sea Level Fears

HBO's 'Vice' Takes On Climate Change: 'It's The Single Greatest Problem Facing Humanity Today'

These are cataclysmic changes brought about by human beings and in the spirit of

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Let us call the world to meditate for a better tomorrow ...
 
I remember reading a Chandamama story when I was younger..where a poor farmer had 2 daughters and got them married off.

The elder daughter was married to a farmer and the younger one to a brick maker if I remember correctly.

One day he went to the elder daughters house and she was telling him to pray for rains cos they need rains for the crops.

Then next day he went to the younger daughters house and she asked him to pray for hot and dry weather to make bricks more easily.

Then the father was in a dilemma ..he thought "how should I pray..if I pray for rain it will only benefit the elder daughter and if I pray for hot weather only the younger daughter will benefit..so it wont be fair for me to pray like this."

Then he looked up into the sky and prayed "God! you know best..I leave it to you to decide for rain or shine"
 
Dear Sravna,

I cant help asking you this question.

Just say as you claim that you can change the weather at your own will...how do you picture God in this scenario?

What if God "decides" that He wanted it to be hot as hell...so how are you going to know what is God's decision for the day.

Now dont give me answers like God does not decide even though I always feel that God does not micromanage but if Sravna is micromanaging that I can surely want to believe that God might also want to micromanage!


BTW I am starting to lose some amount of respect for those who claim to be Theist yet seem to think they can overrule God!LOL
 
Yesterday afternoon the temp forecast for today decreased to 34 from the one I posted earlier as 37!
And............. The highest reached till now today is 37 degrees, though partially cloudy! :flame:

Was the afternoon update a typo? :noidea:
 
This is the thread I wanted to post my message earlier. My message was -

"somma saamy kumbuttaa kooda, nadakka poradhu maaRi poodaadhungo.

ore oorla maavu vikkaravan mayai vaanaannu kumbudaaraannu vai. adhe oorla, naaththu nattavan mayai vonunnu saamy kumbudaraannu vai. Appo saamy enna pannum? koyambi poodaadhu?". That was couple of days ago.
 
Today's forecast is 37 degrees by all the major weather channels. My forecast is 34 degrees, that is I will try to bring down the temperature to below 35 degrees.

Also as Shri TKS says in his post let us meditate on the problem of global warming and try to solve it.
 
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Today's forecast is 37 degrees by all the major weather channels. My forecast is 34 degrees, that is I will try to bring down the temperature to below 35 degrees.

Also as Shri TKS says in his post let us meditate on the problem of global warming and try to solve it.
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When you say " I will try to bring down the temperature", you are not likely to win.

The nature does not have a thermostat for everyone to adjust the temperature.

Global warming is a natural phenomenon. At the end of ice age, all the ice melted. The global warming was natural event.

The winters are getting colder. More ice is belted down. During this winter even Lebanon had snow fall. Global warming? Think again. We are heading for the next ice age.
 
The temperature shot up to 38 degrees today and I accept that it did not come under control. But I believe it will come under control, may be as early as from tomorrow.The forecast again by major weather channels is 37 degrees for tomorrow . My forecast again is 34 degrees.Let us wait and see.
 
Dear Folks,

Let us give it a strong push and try to keep the temp of Chennai below 35 degrees during the rest of the summer.
 
sravna said:
The temperature shot up to 38 degrees today and I accept that it did not come under control. But I believe it will come under control, may be as early as from tomorrow.The forecast again by major weather channels is 37 degrees for tomorrow . My forecast again is 34 degrees.Let us wait and see.
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Proves we can NOT control the weather!

The forecast temperature actually shot UP by two degrees (39) and did not dip to 34!

Please refer this link for temp on 31st March: Chennai Weather
So...... Let us keep a broad plate of water nearby for local cooling and save electricity! :smow:
 
The appeasement of the Sun god will continue. Let's see if he eventually yields to the wishes of his bhaktas. Folks, watch out for the temp of Chennai for the rest of the summer
 
sravna said:
The appeasement of the Sun god will continue. Let's see if he eventually yields to the wishes of his bhaktas. Folks, watch out for the temp of Chennai for the rest of the summer
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The Sun God logs into Forum and replies:


Hi Sravna,

Even when my son Karna walked this earth..all he knew was giving to everyone that approached him but why do you keep asking and asking and asking for things that are beyond your control?

I am the Sun...Heat is my Dharma.

Why do you want to appease me? Do you want me to abandon my Dharma?

Do you want me to become a ball of ice?

Do you know what will happen if I do so?

If you want a boon I can give you..in your next life may you be born a penguin in the South Pole and enjoy the Ice Ice Baby!
 
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How can we control the temperature by sitting in the A/c and switching on :popcorn:
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Mam,

You are right. We cannot control the temperature by sitting in the A/c.

Do you believe in Hindu Puranas...?

IMHO we have precedent. What for we are reading puranas then - just for time pass... no ...to believe and to follow as far as possible.

"It is said that during the reign of king Dasaratha when Shani was about to enter Rohini Nakshatra, king Dasaratha worshipped Shani and pleased with his prayers Saturn did not enter Rohini during the reign of king Dasharatha. Hence the Dasaratha Shani stotras are considered an excellent remedy for Saturn related troubles".

While Surya Putra Sani can do it,, why not Surya?

Pray.... Pray.... Pray with all faith ....devotion...etc


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yPP_6WGjlM
 
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Dear Folks,

Here’s some info :

The forecast temp for the next 10 days for Chennai is 36 degrees average. The historical average for this period is 37 degrees. Now when you take the forecast temp of other major cities being Mumbai, New delhi, Kolkata, Bangalore, Hyderabad, the average of the five cities is 39 degrees for the next 10 days whereas the historical average is 35 degrees.

Thus we see that the historical average of the five cities is 2 degrees less than that of Chennai, but this year we see for the same period it is 3 degrees more than that of Chennai.

What say you folks? Effect of prayers?

Note: I have averaged the temp of the 5 cities.
 
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