Meritocracy and Quotas

[prasad1]

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Should be a joke and may be it is being repeated with an anticipation that lies would somehow would acquire the status of truth.

Jamisonl & Witel in Vedic Hinduism say (reproduction of actual portions):

QUOTE:

All of this may indicate that the ideas of second death (and recurrent rebirth), even of karma, are nothing but the gradual, but logical outcome of Brahmanical thought. One can see this gradual development quite clearly also in the case of the veneration of the cow (Alsdorf 1962, W. N. Brown 1978, D. Srinivasan 1979, Witzel 1991a).

The idea originated with some people, obviously fellow brahmins in ​Yajnavalkya's area, and slowly spread through society. Nevertheless, it is typical of the uneven pace of development in various groups of Vedic society that even in the last part of ChU, at 8.15, the Brahmanical author still felt it necessary to add a word about killing in ritual which he claimed not to be evil, in fact !important guiltless[ quite apparently even with regard to karma.

The UpaniSads are often treated as the beginning of a tradition, the founding texts of Vedanta philosophy (and, to much lesser degree, as the necessary precursor to early Buddhist and Jain thought).

As far as culture and civilization are concerned, even the late Vedic UpaniSads clearly precede the urban civilization as described in the Pali texts. The Vedic texts do not mention towns (cf. Mylius 1969, 1970) and forbid entry into the country of Magadha to Brahmins while the Pali texts speak of Brahmin villages south of the Ganges.

UNQUOTE

Again the words of the authors are the best testimony as to how the academic community views these silly claims made by bloggers. So quote once again from the same source:

QUOTE:

Similarly, the idea that it (the idea of karmas) was the Jainas, the aboriginals, etc. who "invented" these ideas is, of course, nothing more than saying "we do not know" with other words (O'Flaherty, 1982). There simply are no early records of the Jainas and even less of the aboriginal inhabitants of Northern India.

UNQUOTE

So much for the scholarship of the defenders of the Hinduism, who want to appropriate every branch knowledge to their pet belief system.

Well said

 

[sangom]

Perfectly put sir. The same applies to christianity too. An artificial edifice loaded with plenty of humbug. So also all other religions of the world.

I grew up in a hindu home and what i relate to is what i express. But Simon (aka ShivKC), did not grow up in a hindu home. As a Christian having been very mendacious in the past, what is he doing here, i wonder. Perhaps he is the fox that comes along when monkeys fight. To all newcomers - go thru this post. Anyways, sangom sir, I request you to ignore all of his posts when made in context to my postings.

Palindrome,

I understand what you say, But, honestly, I find not only ShivKC but a few others here also seem to have some kind of allergy for your writing. My own guess is that no TB can stomach a NB, and that too a woman, having so much familiarity with, knowledge of and the ability to put forth her views with such clarity.

Sometimes even I find some of your ideas strange, like the role of smArtha brahmins as differing from that of "Agamic priests". To be frank, I have as yet no clear idea as to who all in India or Srilanka can today be considered as Agamic priests and why. If you will explain, it will be helpful.

 

[sangom]

Dear Sangom Ji,

I would like to add my comments here too....yes in a way a agree but with just some points to differ..when one reads more and more even if one makes an attempt to read religious text in Sanskrit..one just feels that there is actually nothing spiritual or superhuman as you correctly said and religions are man made to keep the masses under sway as I previously said that "God is Marijuana for most people"

It is hard to pinpoint who actually controls "religion" in the Hindu atmosphere cos besides the priest even the trader/bussiness man is kept happy..there seems to be a symbiotic relationship between the 1st 3 Varnas to keep each other happy for their general well beings and the 4th Varna and the newly coined 5th Varna get the F's!

I have no idea why uplifting the masses is never really stressed upon..everything is left to the fatalistic Law of Karma but when it comes to wealth and money alone everyone seems to want to have a hand in it..that time everyone feels they are entitled to prosperity and the Law of Karma goes of the door.

Yes...I do see hypocrisy....and one does not become religious after getting this feeling but faith in God need not decline..cos one just starts to wonder may be there are still much more to add to the 'I do not know" list.

These days only for documentation purposes I write I am a Hindu but on a personal basis when anyone asks me my religion all I reply is none.

I think what a human really needs is just Love All Serve All and nothing more.

Smt. Renuka,

I think you are on the right path. "Faith in God" is in essence, faith in one's own innocence, purity of mind and eligibility as per one's own kArmic background. But, religion posits an external entity called God (or very many Gods, as is the case with Hinduism and was the case with many religions of ancient mediterranean countries; I am given to understand that in ancient Italy before Christianity, there were separate gods/goddesses to be appeased for hiccups, common cold, cough and so on!). There is no other separate external God. That is why humans are neither able to prove God's existence nor able to prove his non-existence, since non-existence cannot be "proved".

Love All Serve All, will be the highest religion. But I feel in India people of all religious hues have to become honest. Somehow - may be religions have also played their part in this - we have come to a situation where this God can be easily made one's partner in all kinds of shady, illegal and even criminal undertakings and the only thing to do is to share the spoils with the God. To eliminate this I advocate that at least honest people can dissociate themselves from temples and if necessary, pray at home.

 

[sangom]

Once i was watching a TV interview of Lee Kuan Yew. He spoke on Indians and Karma. He seemed to think India and Indians cannot achieve any real progress as long as they are stuck to such an ideology.

Incidentally, Buddhism defines karma a lot more elaborately than sanskrit 'hindu' texts (after all karma as a concept was borrowed from shramana belief systems into 'hinduism). But in Buddhism, the doer is aksed to work out his karma, that is, he is asked to reach out to the troubled. Hindus unfortunately, have taken it to be fatalistic -- they won't look at an accident victim, and wud rather leave him to die on the streets, claiming it is his own karma.

Palindrome,

May be because Hindus borrowed the Karma concept from Shramana traditions, we have misinterpreted this term. Instead of emphasizing that it is one's Karma which is propelling one's life's course in a specific, predetermined way, without giving much scope for "free will", and that each one of us has to work out his/her Karma by experiencing its results intelligently, hindus came to believe in a kind of fatalism. This has also bred some kind of insensitivity towards the sufferings of others. In my opinion, it was this fatalism and insensitivity which made the society to be completely inured towards the sub-human treatment meted out to the Sudras and Panchamas.

As for the accident victim today, one has to be ready for ending in the lock-up also, if the police decide to teach the good samaritan a lesson!! Hence this cannot be blamed on the fatalistic outlook; our Police has to change a lot for this also to change.

 

[கால பைரவன்]

Oh yeas. we brahmins are used to this since time immemorial. You are just the latest addition to the list of people who determine who is to be trusted and who is not to be trusted among the castes. You are entitled to your -what do you call it-opinion. Please keep it safely or hang by it. We do not care.

Well said!

This has always been the refrain of hatemongers. Their justification for their hatred is there are others who share their hate. Pathetic!

 

[Nara]

.....You yourselves with a total disbelief in the "empty rituals" had said in this very forum that you did antyeshti for one of your parents for the mental satisfaction of the surviving one. If this is not one of the best examples of expressing love to the parents there would not be many others easy to find.

No dear Narayan, both my parents alive, hale and healthy .... What I think I said was if I am faced with a situation in which the surviving parent will want me to perform these rituals I will do so to satisfy him/her.

You are advising the parents to have a chat with their off-springs with regard to IC/IR marriages should they have some reservations.

No Narayan, I think you have misunderstood or misstating my position. I wish you had engaged me when this discussion was raging, I have said all I have to say on this matter and let sleeping dogs lie.

regards ....

 

[palindrome]

Should be a joke and may be it is being repeated with an anticipation that lies would somehow would acquire the status of truth.

Jamisonl & Witel in Vedic Hinduism say (reproduction of actual portions):

QUOTE:

All of this may indicate that the ideas of second death (and recurrent rebirth), even of karma, are nothing but the gradual, but logical outcome of Brahmanical thought. One can see this gradual development quite clearly also in the case of the veneration of the cow (Alsdorf 1962, W. N. Brown 1978, D. Srinivasan 1979, Witzel 1991a).

The idea originated with some people, obviously fellow brahmins in ​Yajnavalkya's area, and slowly spread through society. Nevertheless, it is typical of the uneven pace of development in various groups of Vedic society that even in the last part of ChU, at 8.15, the Brahmanical author still felt it necessary to add a word about killing in ritual which he claimed not to be evil, in fact !important guiltless[ quite apparently even with regard to karma.

The UpaniSads are often treated as the beginning of a tradition, the founding texts of Vedanta philosophy (and, to much lesser degree, as the necessary precursor to early Buddhist and Jain thought).

As far as culture and civilization are concerned, even the late Vedic UpaniSads clearly precede the urban civilization as described in the Pali texts. The Vedic texts do not mention towns (cf. Mylius 1969, 1970) and forbid entry into the country of Magadha to Brahmins while the Pali texts speak of Brahmin villages south of the Ganges.

UNQUOTE

Again the words of the authors are the best testimony as to how the academic community views these silly claims made by bloggers. So quote once again from the same source:

QUOTE:

Similarly, the idea that it (the idea of karmas) was the Jainas, the aboriginals, etc. who "invented" these ideas is, of course, nothing more than saying "we do not know" with other words (O'Flaherty, 1982). There simply are no early records of the Jainas and even less of the aboriginal inhabitants of Northern India.

UNQUOTE

So much for the scholarship of the defenders of the Hinduism, who want to appropriate every branch knowledge to their pet belief system.

Buddhism is not my pet belief system, so don't imagine stuff on my behalf.

The vedas have nothing on karma. The earliest texts which put forth the theory of karma are the upanishads and it is here that karma is considered brahmanical thought. Hence it is correct that Upanishads are the beginning of the tradition (in the 'hindu' beleif system).

However, the concept was present earlier in the shramana belief systems. The Buddha first left home and debated with the shramana monks, infact he became a shramana monk before becoming the enlighted one and preaching on his own. Perhaps O'Flaherty did not read into shramana systems and was restricted to comparison with the jainas.

The concept of determinism and fatalism is an ajivika shramana tradition (see niyati-vada). The Jainas and Buddhists opposed the ajivika view and established the kriya-vada or the efficacy of human action. So it is possible to say that the ajivikas were the first to put forth the therory of karma; although their karma-samsara view was not the same as jainas and buddhists. Buddhism, Jainism, early Sankhya accepted the karma-samsara hypothesis and were all atheist; ie., they found no role for a creator god.

 

[palindrome]

Palindrome,

I understand what you say, But, honestly, I find not only ShivKC but a few others here also seem to have some kind of allergy for your writing. My own guess is that no TB can stomach a NB, and that too a woman, having so much familiarity with, knowledge of and the ability to put forth her views with such clarity.

Oh well, am not such i shd bother with the ones suffering from the allergy; unless praveen is one of them and wants me out.

Sometimes even I find some of your ideas strange, like the role of smArtha brahmins as differing from that of "Agamic priests". To be frank, I have as yet no clear idea as to who all in India or Srilanka can today be considered as Agamic priests and why. If you will explain, it will be helpful.

Some examples of Agamic priests:
1) Mukkani and other priests of thiruchendur temple following kumara tantra
2) Iyengars following the pancharatra.

 

[கால பைரவன்]

My own guess is that no TB can stomach a NB, and that too a woman, having so much familiarity with, knowledge of and the ability to put forth her views with such clarity.

As far as I can see, it is the NBs and, perhaps correct to say, ex-Bs, who are NBs in their heart of hearts, who cannot stomach the resistance put forth by the Brahmins in this forum.

This is evident from how, when it comes to bashing Brahmins, they gang together. Their casteist urge takes over, no matter what different opinions they may have!

So they resort to all sort of innuendos like the one quoted here.

 

[auh]

I find not only ShivKC but a few others here also seem to have some kind of allergy for your writing. My own guess is that no TB can stomach a NB, and that too a woman, having so much familiarity with, knowledge of and the ability to put forth her views with such clarity.

Only you seem to think so, esp, w.r.t. the item in blue!

Aside: Even if ShivKC is indeed Simon, why should he be unwelcome here, as a particular member seems determined to show him in bad light? After all, if there can be a Joseph Iyengar...

 

[auh]

What is the debate about?

The debate is about how much Q4 onlookers can we drag into a debate, based, purely, on the strength of "குதிரை" output !

Apparently it works

 

[sangom]

Should be a joke and may be it is being repeated with an anticipation that lies would somehow would acquire the status of truth.

Jamisonl & Witel in Vedic Hinduism say (reproduction of actual portions):

QUOTE:

All of this may indicate that the ideas of second death (and recurrent rebirth), even of karma, are nothing but the gradual, but logical outcome of Brahmanical thought. One can see this gradual development quite clearly also in the case of the veneration of the cow (Alsdorf 1962, W. N. Brown 1978, D. Srinivasan 1979, Witzel 1991a).

The idea originated with some people, obviously fellow brahmins in ​Yajnavalkya's area, and slowly spread through society. Nevertheless, it is typical of the uneven pace of development in various groups of Vedic society that even in the last part of ChU, at 8.15, the Brahmanical author still felt it necessary to add a word about killing in ritual which he claimed not to be evil, in fact !important guiltless[ quite apparently even with regard to karma.

The UpaniSads are often treated as the beginning of a tradition, the founding texts of Vedanta philosophy (and, to much lesser degree, as the necessary precursor to early Buddhist and Jain thought).

As far as culture and civilization are concerned, even the late Vedic UpaniSads clearly precede the urban civilization as described in the Pali texts. The Vedic texts do not mention towns (cf. Mylius 1969, 1970) and forbid entry into the country of Magadha to Brahmins while the Pali texts speak of Brahmin villages south of the Ganges.

UNQUOTE

Again the words of the authors are the best testimony as to how the academic community views these silly claims made by bloggers. So quote once again from the same source:

QUOTE:

Similarly, the idea that it (the idea of karmas) was the Jainas, the aboriginals, etc. who "invented" these ideas is, of course, nothing more than saying "we do not know" with other words (O'Flaherty, 1982). There simply are no early records of the Jainas and even less of the aboriginal inhabitants of Northern India.

UNQUOTE

So much for the scholarship of the defenders of the Hinduism, who want to appropriate every branch knowledge to their pet belief system.

Shri Narayanan,

Shramana tradition was coexistent with the vedic belief system. There is no proof adduced in your above post to the effect that the Upanishadic period (which itself was a kind of mild protest of the vedic system) and the composers of the upanishads were not at all influenced by the Shramana belief system. What Jamison & Witzel say is, at best, that it was the outcome of brahmanical thought, but does not assert that the brahmanical thought was not at all influenced by Shramana or any other thought system which was also current in those days.

"Several śramaṇa movements are known to have existed before the 6th century BCE dating back to the Indus valley civilization, where they peaked during the times of Mahavira and Buddha. śramaṇas adopted a path alternate to the Vedic rituals to achieve liberation, while renouncing household life. They typically engage in three types of activities: austerities, meditation, and associated theories (or views). As spiritual authorities, at times śramaṇa were at variance with traditional Brahmin authority, and they often recruited members from Brahmin communities themselves, such as Cāṇakya and śāriputra (Gethin_10)" (Indian Religions by Wikipedians, page 109)

 

[Nara]

If I say Dr. Umesh Gupta, Dr.Kasturi Rengan and Dr. Tamil Selvi are in agreement with me, is it going to make any difference to you? You are beholden to white supremacy, living in an alien culture, completely sold on the superiority of it.

Vaagmi, you are being silly now, you are the one who cited Boyd and kept bringing him up repeatedly and now you say I am beholden to White supremacy!!

Alright, what do these Drs. Gupta, Rengan and Selvi actually say? Have they published anything on this subject in any scientific journals? Please cite the reference so that we can take a look at and try to understand their views.


[... unnecessarily and irrelevant personal comments skipped ....]

A quick 'on the back of an envelope' calculation shows that such a study will cost about INR 20 to 25 lakhs at today's cost of input and resources. Are you ready to finance this project. If you are ready I can engage a team to do this.

First of all, I am not in the business of funding scientific research, there are many private foundations and government agencies who do accept grant proposals, evaluate them for merit, prioritize, and make funding decisions. Go through this process and get the necessary funding if you can, then rational people like me will stop calling it your pet theory.

Thank you ....

 

[கால பைரவன்]

Aside: Even if ShivKC is indeed Simon, why should he be unwelcome here, as a particular member seems determined to show him in bad light? After all, if there can be a Joseph Iyengar...

Good question. After all, there is no restriction with regards to religion or caste for being a member of this forum. It is the case of ஆடு நனையுதேன்று ஓநாய் அழுத கதை தான் or as is said in English, "when the fox preaches look to the geese".

To this effect, I would also like to comment on Prasad's post from another thread.

Mr. K,
I do not blame the present day Brahmin community for the misdeeds(alleged) of the past. More over like you said I am still 10% brahmin, or like Sangomji said the Indian constitution defines me as brahmin. A brahmin may be able to get away with criticism of a brahmin practice, as it is constructive. A criticism by a known distractor on the other hand is purely out of spite. MOTIVES MATTER.
.

The problem is not in the percentage of brahminness. But there are members here who are proud about giving up their "caste feelings", proud about raising their kids without caste tags etc etc. When these very same members then turn around and claim caste membership by citing constitution or quoting percentages to justify their right to bash Brahmins, they are being extremely hypocritical. So calling Shiv out here is as vaagmi said akin to the pot calling kettle black.

 

[Nara]

You guys are pathetic, ganging up on one single individual because you don't like what she says, shameful. Not a single one of you have successfully countered her in a rational and intellectual way. Stop these insults, stop ganging up. Argue if you can with proper etiquette and evidence, or else at least stay silent. Stop behaving like ruffians.

 

[Nara]

....Aside: Even if ShivKC is indeed Simon, why should he be unwelcome here, as a particular member seems determined to show him in bad light? After all, if there can be a Joseph Iyengar...

Dear auh, I don't want to open any pandora's box, but there is a long history behind this. The issue is not who he is. Nobody says he or anyone is unwelcome, that would be too presumptuous, on the contrary, the welcome of some of us who share my way of thinking has been questioned in the past.

Thanks ....

 

[prasad1]

Palindrome,

I understand what you say, But, honestly, I find not only ShivKC but a few others here also seem to have some kind of allergy for your writing. My own guess is that no TB can stomach a NB, and that too a woman, having so much familiarity with, knowledge of and the ability to put forth her views with such clarity.

Sometimes even I find some of your ideas strange, like the role of smArtha brahmins as differing from that of "Agamic priests". To be frank, I have as yet no clear idea as to who all in India or Srilanka can today be considered as Agamic priests and why. If you will explain, it will be helpful.

Now that you have started taking names and making it personal, I am going to jump in.
It is not that a NB is saying or a women is saying, it is appropriateness of who is saying.
I have said it before Palindromeji comes across as condescending and condemning Brahmins from a superiority complex. Nobody like likes to be lectured down. More over Motives matter. If the sole perspose of an individual is to heap insult on a community at every opportunity, that too when that person does not belong to that group it is rather sad. There will be defensive action by the group. It is like a KKK member goes in white hooded Garb to a NAACP private retreat and starts insulting the Afro-American. Do you want me to explain what will happen? Or a Brahmin with (namam or Vibhuti) goes to DK (or what ever that group) meeting and starts criticizing the Dravidian Culture.

Just like you said, what happens to Women improperly dressed in the middle of night in back road, similar fate awaits "wrong place wrong comments".
I have nothing against women making comments or any one commenting about Hinduism.

You have the habit of relaxing your own rules for your "personal" friends. Bias for friends is human, but it is your duty to direct the misdirected friend. You have failed your friend.

 

[prasad1]

You guys are pathetic, ganging up on one single individual because you don't like what she says, shameful. Not a single one of you have successfully countered her in a rational and intellectual way. Stop these insults, stop ganging up. Argue if you can with proper etiquette and evidence, or else at least stay silent. Stop behaving like ruffians.

Very Chivalrous of you, to defend your friend. But like I said to Sangomji, you too have failed in your duty as a friend. As a friend it is your duty to stop them from jumping in front of train in the first place, instead of cursing the Train driver.

It is wrong for a Pakistani to walk into a RSS field training camp and bash hinduism or preach Islam. I do not care how right that Pakistani is at that point.

 

[Nara]

Very Chivalrous of you, to defend your friend. But like I said to Sangomji, you too have failed in your duty as a friend. As a friend it is your duty to stop them from jumping in front of train in the first place, instead of cursing the Train driver.

It is wrong for a Pakistani to walk into a RSS field training camp and bash hinduism or preach Islam. I do not care how right that Pakistani is at that point.

prasad1, your analogies are invalid, she does not say anything a lot of others like me say as well. What you care or not care is also besides the point. She has every right to say whatever she wants just as much as anyone else. If you don't like what she says, then challenge her with facts. If not leave her alone. Ganging up on her and calling insulting names is cheap. This is not about chivalry, just plain common decency.

 

[prasad1]

prasad1, your analogies are invalid, she does not say anything a lot of others like me say as well. lain common decency.

I am sorry I addressed your comments to you directly. But my analogy is absolutely correct. Most of the members here including I, have a stake in the community (how ever we got there). An afro-american(even distantly connected) can get away with making Negro jokes, but let a white person make the same degrading jokes and then see the reaction.

A bashing of a group is equally wrong as personal insults.

 

[Nara]

I am sorry I addressed your comments to you directly. But my analogy is absolutely correct. Most of the members here including I, have a stake in the community (how ever we got there). An afro-american(even distantly connected) can get away with making Negro jokes, but let a white person make the same degrading jokes and then see the reaction.

Have it your way, but I think the behavior I have seen towards palindrome is simply appalling, there is no call for it. Such behavior is more a reflection of the perpetrators than palindrome.

I reject all your characterization of her posts. White person, KKK, Pakistan, etc., etc., these are dreadful and hateful comments. What do you know about her motives? What do you know about my motives for that matter. The fact is Palindrome is more sympathetic to Hinduism than I am. I disagree with her about the Dravidian movement's seminal leader Brahmins love to hate. So, why don't you guys come after me and leave her alone?

This site is not for singing the praise of Brahmins. Pravin sets the rules and he has said time and again all views are welcome. Let me reiterate once again, this is not about palindrome, it is about you guys being bullies. I couldn't believe my eyes when I read your reply to Sangom, you are really comparing what you guys are doing to palindrome as that of rape victims asking for it by being not careful? So, non-conforming members are fair game for any kind of insult? Really? Is that the level we have fallen to?

What I am asking is only a request, an earnest request, that we treat each other with a modicum of civility even as we engage in vigorous debate. Let us take the responsibility to show civility and not jump at the first opportunity to be uncivil under the guise you are provoked.

Thanks ....

 

[கால பைரவன்]

Looking back at this thread, my opinion is that it is vaagmi who is the victim and not palindrome as is being alleged here. Some members were ganging up against vaagmi, even advising against entering into an argument with him as if he is some sort of "unspeakable" person! To turn around and accuse others of the very same crime is dishonest, IMO.

 

[prasad1]

Have it your way, but I think the behavior I have seen towards palindrome is simply appalling, there is no call for it. Such behavior is more a reflection of the perpetrators than palindrome.

I reject all your characterization of her posts. White person, KKK, Pakistan, etc., etc., these are dreadful and hateful comments. What do you know about her motives? What do you know about my motives for that matter. The fact is Palindrome is more sympathetic to Hinduism than I am. I disagree with her about the Dravidian movement's seminal leader Brahmins love to hate. So, why don't you guys come after me and leave her alone?

This site is not for singing the praise of Brahmins. Pravin sets the rules and he has said time and again all views are welcome. Let me reiterate once again, this is not about palindrome, it is about you guys being bullies. I couldn't believe my eyes when I read your reply to Sangom, you are really comparing what you guys are doing to palindrome as that of rape victims asking for it by being not careful? So, non-conforming members are fair game for any kind of insult? Really? Is that the level we have fallen to?

What I am asking is only a request, an earnest request, that we treat each other with a modicum of civility even as we engage in vigorous debate. Let us take the responsibility to show civility and not jump at the first opportunity to be uncivil under the guise you are provoked.

Thanks ....

It cuts both ways, if you give respect you can expect respect. If you come to my house and insult me you can not expect any respect. I have no personal problem with any one, including you. I am not speaking for Praveenji. I am speaking for myself and to an extend the majority here on this site
If you abuse a group that group is going to react at some point. I am sorry you do not see a pattern here, MOTIVES MATTER.

 

[கால பைரவன்]

Dear Prasad,

Ref. your posts 242,243, in trying to counter charges made in post 240, you are only trying to reason them out, while the point of fact is, the charges are not valid. If anything, as I mentioned in my previous post, it is Vaagmi who is the victim. Members were actually ganging against him. This ganging up started in page 2 of this thread, where in the name of cautioning a "friend", uncharitable remarks were made against him. This one-to-one exchange taking pot-shots on other members from side is a good example of uncivil behavior.Just like how food is valued most by a person who does not have it, those who harp on civility are often the most uncivil.

This continued in form of posts between two members addressed to each other even dragging other members who are not even part of this discussion. For example, remark about ravi. These are examples of uncivil behavior. It is not just about words used.

Then Sangom comes in, offers as much the same advice to Palindrome directly addressing her to keep away from such exchanges as if people arguing against her are all guilty of the same crime.

Thus the ganging up is complete.

That the accusation of "ganging" comes from the guilty is not ironical. Just a sort of pre-emptive strike to muddle the waters. That is all!

PS: This should have been a general post, but this is deliberately addressed to Prasad so that members can undertstand what it feels like third parties discussing among themselves about the behavior of other members.

 

[renuka]

When did Renukaji appoint you her agent to talk on her behalf? Anyway I don't bother about a tall pretty lass because I do not get an opportunity to see her here. I look at the output here and decide whether the person is dwarf or tall. She is a dwarf alright but whenever I see you I have to use a magnifying glass. LOL.

Dear Vaagmi Ji,

LOL! Now you have become Thangabali??