Meritocracy and Quotas

[prasad1]

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This follows my particular post: Those who do not like "brahmanism" to be associated with "casteism" should first ask these military/trader origin folks to give up their claims of brahminhood. Ask them to revert back to shudra or scheduled tribe positions.

Stating problems with brahmanism does not mean one is anti-brahmin. It is better if one uses wisdom to know the difference. Brahmanism is a poisonous ideology. Eveyone will be better off without it. By stating the above, I do not become anti-brahmin. Why cannot everyone stop the casteist attitude? Why do we get people now and then praising, lecturing, sermonizing on dharmashastras and brahmanism? There are 2 types of people here. One who support such stuff not knowing what it is. Another, which supports everything knowing well what it is. There are many readers who belong to the former category. Unfortunately, the forum is loaded with posters of the latter category. For those who wish to bury in their head in the sand it cannot be helped. But there are people who do not care for caste. I have no intentions of pleasing casteist people who almost always happen to be elderly people. My focus is the younger readership.

Palindromeji,
If you have seen my posts you will know that I am against Birth based caste system in social settings. I subscribe to Advaita philosophy, but I do not go to an Iyangar family or SV temple and show off my knowledge. I respect the Iyangar family (or I need a donation from them), I am not going to insult them. I know that LeT is wrong in their messages, would I send Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) (a known anti-muslim) to Pakistan to change the policies of LeT? Like I said MOTIVES MATTER.

I agree with you on number of occasions, I admire your knowledge but your tone is irritating and jarring. It sounds like Heavy metal Band in a Carnatic music festival.

Taken outside of TB forum we may even agree on some other topics.

 

[auh]

Even if we to assume that brahmins were to declare that they would like to lose their identity of being a brahmin, where would the government categorize them in? Any solutions?

 

[tks]

Dear Mr. Praveen, I have requested you to read my First posting on this Topic #20 dt 19/8/ 2013 & having not got response, I wrote #178, with a view to know , not only your views , but also positive initiative towards my proposed views, for the betterment of tamil Brahmins You will agree that the VETERENS have taken the entire field & show their superiority in every comment , whether they know the subject in depth or not ?
Mrs Renuka tops the list. Many new members have been arguing but she is not relenting. You would know her better. Ofcouse , there are few who seem to fall in line , it appears to be a SYNDICATE within our Forum ?
I fervently wish that you start streamlining the Topis & not allow it tO stray. Next, please formulate major Policy decisions for the members to follow. I consider YOU as a leader & please show us the way.

A.Srinivasan (rishikesan) Ph 044/ 24806871

Sri Rishikesan / Srinivasan

This is a forum to exchange ideas - if you want something to happen like some action then you have to take it up individually by connecting with members via private email.

By singling out a member (Dr Renu) in a public manner and dragging her down without any specifics you are polluting your own nobler intent for positive change.

I have not come across anyone in this forum who has established authority by their knowledge (not just data or information) in our scriptures . I have no expectations that I would find that in a forum which is open to all. There are many that make things up and cite our scriptures incorrectly in this forum. All this is not any crime. There is no syndicate.

Please find out what Veteran here means - it does not mean that anyone is bestowed a certificate of knowledge. It only means they have had many posts and earned some 'forum points' along the way.

I know you are older gentlemen based on what I remember. I hope you will know how to edit your posts so it is more tasteful and does not mask the positive intent you wish to communicate.

 

[rishikesan]

In reply to Post 271 & 278 , I would to mention firstly that I have been mentioning to Mr Praveen that we have to objectively bring outpoints for analysis as to how we can help out less privileged Brahmin youths/ Families & find solutions & work towards the same to achieve the objective of Mr Praveen who opened this wonderful site for the entire benefit of our lot. I am not that much sharp to specify any Agenda. I beseech the members here to ponder over the needs of Brahmin community , which have not been taken up seriously-- can be taken up especially by our youngsters who live abroad & possess not only practical problems, but can suggest & get them implemented , as they have the wherewithal & can pool money & resources. Keep link with the Forum:s active/ vociferous members to achieve progress in Education/ health Etc With a tie-up with concerned institutions/ Hospitals Etc.
One thing I also feel :- Perhaps we brahmins & their Families have literally no big problems to be resolved by any Forum like ours ?
Wherever we have contacts & interactions , according to me each one or the families are being helped by their contacts including friends/ Relatives, who live abroad
Perhaps first thing could be :- Let Our Leader advice us as to what he expects the forum to move on ? We should be ready to support him whole heartedly.
I leave to the Veterans ( I never mean any offence to any one , not at all the veterans )

Love to all
Rishikesan (A.Srinivasan)

 

[Nara]

Let us add to the pacts no more blaming brahmins. No more caste fights. No more bashing Brahmins. No more lecturing, or sermoning. I agree to your pact only if you agree to my conditions.

I reject this false equivalency. I will continue to criticize what I see is social evil which includes, but not limited to, Brahminism, casteism and religious superstitions. If you don't like what I am saying argue with me in a rational way within the limits of basic human decency. Those who descend below this very low bar and gang up on an individual to boot, are no more than a pack of ruffians prowling for prey.

Let me repeat from an earlier post, criticising Brahminism in this forum is not equivalent to coming to your house and insulting you, it just is not. This forum is not your house, criticizing Brahminism is not insulting you or anybody. The house/insult was the analogy you used, I am twisting nothing.

My call is for all of us to adhere to some basic norms of civil exchange, not to ban any topic, let alone the topics that you guys don't like. Limit your criticisms to the points made, refrain from direct or indirect put downs, mocks, and plain old insults. I will try to do this as much as I can. I will stand up against anybody who resorts to uncivil tactics, whether Palindrome or Vaagmi.

Thank you very much .....

 

[Vaagmi]

post # 208:

I will stand up against anybody who resorts to uncivil tactics, whether Palindrome or Vaagmi.

Lol. The cloak is too thin and is revealing. I am amused

 

[sangom]

< snip >
Let us make this forum a அமைதிப்பூங்கா like our CM claims about TN. Will you take this pledge and join?

Thanks

The effort to make an அமைதிப்பூங்கா should not end up as RIP That is the fear.

 

[palindrome]

There is only casteism. There is no brahminism. Why should it be called brahminism? Calling casteism by the name brahminism is equivalent to calling communism with the name slavism and no one does that. Brahminism is an invention by anti-brahmin forces. This includes the british, the dravidianist ideologues/hatred mongers and of course our own people suffering from an overdose of intellectual fervour. Casteism which is exploitative is bad no doubt. It is poisonous. So anyone who speaks about brahminism in place of casteism have a secret agenda. Their aim is not attacking the exploitation in the society. But it is to attack a group of the society out of envy at its trail blazing progress(despite heavy odds) and contribution to nations economy. As long as the brahmins speak about the dharmasastras, scriptures etc within their community it should not concern others. Only if they rub it on others, the concerned people have a right to object(only the concerned people) or accept it. Every member here in this forum is having a very high level of awareness and hence they support or oppose a member's idea posted here with the benefit of this fundamental awareness. If you delude yourself with any other idea about the situation they are not responsible for that. There is no young-old division here. We are brahmins and we know the history of casteism in India and we have been at the receiving end for long along with the panchamans. We do not want lectures and cock and bull stories to forget our pains and suffer from guilt. We have enough strength to fight our battles and keep our group in the forefront of progress as we have always been. The lecture given by you here will suit the people who recently burnt Govt. buses in marakkanam village. Please go and address them. They will benefit. Thanks.

According to social historians Brahmanism is also used for casteism. Try this for example. If you do not want Casteism to be called Brahmanism please write to academic circles and publish your counter arguments. No point telling me that Casteism is not Brahmanism.

Why can't people, who are allergic to brahmins or brahminism, try to voice their concerns elsewhere also? Would any member who has voiced out their anathemic lore in these discussion pages (in this site), dare to file a case in the courts, with proper proofs, and fight it out there (maybe they can file a petition to the PM of India). Simply haranguing a group of people who have clustered (anonymously) in a website and clutching at their throats with anti brahmin rhetorics, under the veneer of scholastic attitude, is distasteful, to say the least.

Wrong analogy. Am against brahmanism aka casteism. Have nothing against individuals, unless they too want to support casteism (irrespective of caste). Why should you bother what an individual writes elsewhere. Ofcourse folks like me do write elsewhere (but surely that shd be none of your concern). Nobody is haranguing anybody. The only request is to have a civil debate with logic and reasoning. Not some sorta fantastical claims about brahmin genes, satvik genes and so on (and then claiming Boyd's research proves one's own fantastical claims).

Palindromeji,
If you have seen my posts you will know that I am against Birth based caste system in social settings. I subscribe to Advaita philosophy, but I do not go to an Iyangar family or SV temple and show off my knowledge. I respect the Iyangar family (or I need a donation from them), I am not going to insult them. I know that LeT is wrong in their messages, would I send Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) (a known anti-muslim) to Pakistan to change the policies of LeT? Like I said MOTIVES MATTER.

I agree with you on number of occasions, I admire your knowledge but your tone is irritating and jarring. It sounds like Heavy metal Band in a Carnatic music festival.

Taken outside of TB forum we may even agree on some other topics.

You have grossly misinterpreted my posts sir. Pray, tell me, in what way have i insulted you? If i write against casteism or brahmanism, in what way does it hurt you? And why should it? You too have written against casteism, but you feel you can say anything against brahmanism because you are a brahmin and others should not say anything against brahmanism because they are non-brahmins. What sort of a logic is that sir?

Even if we to assume that brahmins were to declare that they would like to lose their identity of being a brahmin, where would the government categorize them in? Any solutions?

Yep, there are solutions, Previously I had offered to one Mr. R.V.R to go to court to help him categorize himself as a vaishya, since he made his living as a businessman. But that does not help. The whole point is folks want to be called brahmins by birth. They want a birth-based system themselves.

 

[prasad1]

Sri Rishikesan / Srinivasan

This is a forum to exchange ideas - if you want something to happen like some action then you have to take it up individually by connecting with members via private email.

By singling out a member (Dr Renu) in a public manner and dragging her down without any specifics you are polluting your own nobler intent for positive change.

I have not come across anyone in this forum who has established authority by their knowledge (not just data or information) in our scriptures . I have no expectations that I would find that in a forum which is open to all. There are many that make things up and cite our scriptures incorrectly in this forum. All this is not any crime. There is no syndicate.

Please find out what Veteran here means - it does not mean that anyone is bestowed a certificate of knowledge. It only means they have had many posts and earned some 'forum points' along the way.

I know you are older gentlemen based on what I remember. I hope you will know how to edit your posts so it is more tasteful and does not mask the positive intent you wish to communicate.

I agree with you.
Why drag Renukaji's name, that too without any reason. Please Sri Rishikesan / Srinivasan delete your post and apologize to Renukaji.

 

[prasad1]

You have grossly misinterpreted my posts sir. Pray, tell me, in what way have i insulted you? If i write against casteism or brahmanism, in what way does it hurt you? And why should it? You too have written against casteism, but you feel you can say anything against brahmanism because you are a brahmin and others should not say anything against brahmanism because they are non-brahmins. What sort of a logic is that sir?

If you wrote against casteism You would not hurt me, actually I may join you. You are right I have riled against this birth based grouping, but I have a stake in the group. You write against Brahmins, that I can take personally as I am by definition a Brahmin. When you criticize the entire community, I too belong to that community and naturally feel offended.


I will repeat what I wrote before

I admire your knowledge but your tone is irritating and jarring. It sounds like Heavy metal Band in a Carnatic music festival.


Taken outside of TB forum we may even agree on some other topics.

 

[கால பைரவன்]

We have arrived at a fork here. To be truthful, we have always been at this fork. This "against-brahminism-not-against-brahmin" and using brahminism in place of casteism is dishonest argument and people who repeatedly make such arguments only do so with extreme casteist prejudice. The vast majority of people who practice casteism are not Brahmins. Therefore, to call casteism as brahminism is a display of bigotry and hate. It is as simple as that. That there are people outside the forum who also do so is no excuse and does not make these claims valid. This shadow boxing is the most uncivil behavior that is on display here.

Brahmins have every right to stand against such hatemongering. Those who indulge in such shadow-boxing are not fit to be arbiters of what is civil and what is not.

 

[auh]

Wrong analogy. Am against brahmanism aka casteism. Have nothing against individuals, unless they too want to support casteism (irrespective of caste). Why should you bother what an individual writes elsewhere. Ofcourse folks like me do write elsewhere (but surely that shd be none of your concern). Nobody is haranguing anybody. The only request is to have a civil debate with logic and reasoning. Not some sorta fantastical claims about brahmin genes, satvik genes and so on (and then claiming Boyd's research proves one's own fantastical claims).

Have you gone to the court to abolish "brahmanism aka casteism"? Surely with all the "proofs" that you put forward on this site, you should win your case hands down. I did not mean other blogs or sites by "elsewhere"; go and seek redressal from the GOI for your notion of gross injustice. We will see if the GOI accepts not to categorize anybody by birth, let alone brahmins.

Yep, there are solutions, Previously I had offered to one Mr. R.V.R to go to court to help him categorize himself as a vaishya, since he made his living as a businessman. But that does not help. The whole point is folks want to be called brahmins by birth. They want a birth-based system themselves.

Since you have taken all the trouble to frequent this site to dole out advice to the brahmins as to why they cannot be brahmins anymore, please lead the way and formulate a petition and submit it to the concerned authority so that the GOI makes suitable amendments in whatever laws that are relevant to enable brahmins to change their caste based on their occupation, to vaishya, kshatriya or shudra (in other words, BC, or OBC or MBC or SC or ST).

Giving advise to others without knowing the hassles/consequences is of no use and, in fact, quite a lot of us are capable of doing that. It is only fair that you do what you propose; otherwise your words would not have any credibility, and neither they need be taken seriously.

 

[Nara]

...... The vast majority of people who practice casteism are not Brahmins. Therefore, to call casteism as brahminism is a display of bigotry and hate. ....

There has never been any question that Brahminism is the source of Varna supremacy and caste is the begotten child of Varna system. Therefore, it is factually accurate to say casteism is the ideological progeny of Brahminism. Casteism and Brahminism are joined at the hip, they cannot be separated. It is understandable that you hate for this fact to be pointed out to you. However, simply turning the table and accusing us of hate mongering is silly, and it is not going to change any of the facts.

Of course not all practitioners of Brahminism/casteism are Brahmins, but all those who tout the greatness of Brahmins are practitioners of it. This vile system must be opposed by all with vigor, irrespective of who is practicing it, Brahmin or not.

 

[கால பைரவன்]

There has never been any question that Brahminism is the source of Varna supremacy and caste is the begotten child of Varna system. Therefore, it is factually accurate to say casteism is the ideological progeny of Brahminism. Casteism and Brahminism are joined at the hip, they cannot be separated.

None of what is stated above is factual. Just because a lie is repeated thousand times it does not become truth. There is no proof that caste system arose from varna system. There is no proof that brahmins are the only architects of varna system. These are all lies spread to malign brahmins and spread hatred against them.

There is no proof that caste system or the varna system has always remained a static system. It cannot be said that always the same set of people remained victims of the caste system. We know for sure that, for the past several decades, brahmins are victims of caste-based discrimination - so replacing casteism with the term brahminism is beyond mere mischief, it is cruel and does not reflect truth or facts in any way. It is akin to blaming the victim for the discrimination perpetrated on him.

Thanks to the this constant hatemmongering and venom spewing against the brahmins, the brahmins are getting cleverer and can better differentiate between foes and friends. That is a happy outcome coming out of such vicious attitude!

 

[Vaagmi]

I agree with you.
Why drag Renukaji's name, that too without any reason. Please Sri Rishikesan / Srinivasan delete your post and apologize to Renukaji.

Prasadji,

Apologies never come forth from people here. I have the experience in demanding an apology and not getting it when some one went overboard and made all sorts of accusations against me personally. And what more he even demanded an apology from me for demanding an apology. That is the calibre we have to put up with.

 

[Vaagmi]

We have arrived at a fork here. To be truthful, we have always been at this fork. This "against-brahminism-not-against-brahmin" and using brahminism in place of casteism is dishonest argument and people who repeatedly make such arguments only do so with extreme casteist prejudice. The vast majority of people who practice casteism are not Brahmins. Therefore, to call casteism as brahminism is a display of bigotry and hate. It is as simple as that. That there are people outside the forum who also do so is no excuse and does not make these claims valid. This shadow boxing is the most uncivil behavior that is on display here.

Brahmins have every right to stand against such hatemongering. Those who indulge in such shadow-boxing are not fit to be arbiters of what is civil and what is not.

KB,

You said it. Thank you.

Whenever people here-Bs or NBs- try to mix up casteism and brahminism and try to poison the minds with their rhetoric I will certainly come here to hit them hard. The language used will be the same as they use and the intensity will be proportionate to what they display. Civil or uncivil replies will purely depend on what is presented here and not on my value system. It will be just expression of displeasure and controlled anger deliberately for a specific purpose. This is because people understand only when you speak in the language they know.

 

[renuka]

Prasadji,

Apologies never come forth from people here. I have the experience in demanding an apology and not getting it when some one went overboard and made all sorts of accusations against me personally. And what more he even demanded an apology from me for demanding an apology. That is the calibre we have to put up with.

Dear Vaagmi Ji,

I hope the discussion on this can stop here.

Prasad Ji,TKS ji and I have already said what we wanted to convey to Rshikeshan Ji.

I feel anymore comments on this matter will make things kind of uneasy.

Anyone can feel free to PM me if they have any " forum based problem" to sort out.

Yesterday one long standing member here PM me his opinion on one of my post and we reached a agreeable decision in just one PM.

So if anyone is not too happy for anything..remember there is always diplomacy to sort things out.

I hope no more discussions on this anymore out here in the open.

Regards

 

[Vaagmi]

There has never been any question that Brahminism is the source of Varna supremacy and caste is the begotten child of Varna system. Therefore, it is factually accurate to say casteism is the ideological progeny of Brahminism. Casteism and Brahminism are joined at the hip, they cannot be separated.

Proof for this contention please. With chapter and verse of course. If originals' links are given that will be better. KB says it is all a big lie. Please prove your contention professor. I wont ask you whether you have the gall to do that because I am not.......you know what.

Of course not all practitioners of Brahminism/casteism are Brahmins, but all those who tout the greatness of Brahmins are practitioners of it. This vile system must be opposed by all with vigor, irrespective of who is practicing it, Brahmin or not.

Please read the daily news papers that come from the Chennai city. Every day one or two murders get reported. Please tabulate them for a period of six months. Then segregate the brahmins culprits and NB culprits and tabulate them and relate the data to the percentage of castes in the total population of the city and take a look. You will understand what we mean when we say there is something special and great about brahmins as a societal group (just a harmless statement of fact without any "supremacist" disposition and higher-lower totemic positions in mind). A simple experiment. You do not have to fund a research project with 25 to 30 lakhs and wait for it to get completed. Would you try that? I know you won't because you know for sure what will be the findings. There lies the similarity with my hypothesis about culture and genes. It requires intellectual honesty to accept counter points.

 

[Vaagmi]

From post #283 by palindrome:

The only request is to have a civil debate with logic and reasoning. Not some sorta fantastical claims about brahmin genes, satvik genes and so on (and then claiming Boyd's research proves one's own fantastical claims).

A claim (fantastic according to you) about genes impacted by brahmin culture (not brahmin genes as twisted and presented by you) and bringing in the research findings of Boyd (which is quite a normal thing in such debates) are all uncivil in your perception. Even a bird brain will say these are not uncivil. Now please define what is civil debating. Challenging someone to prove he has the gall? Strange are the ways of scholars here. Forum members please judge what is happening to the forum.

 

[zebra16]

Dear Shri Nara,

After four years or so in this Forum, is it not sufficiently clear to you as to what "real Brahmin qualities" are? Our Brahministic friends will never be able to change, just as a donkey will never be able to stop braying.

Let us leave it at that and take whatever we can learn from Palindrome's posts here. After all even AdiShankara had something to learn from a lowly Chandala, was it not?

You have unnecessarily used provocative language and are adding fuel to the fire. This just has to be retorted to and paid back in the same coin.

Even an unlearned donkey is any day better than "udhvAkkari ooLayidum OnAigaL"

 

[zebra16]

Palindrome,

I understand what you say, But, honestly, I find not only ShivKC but a few others here also seem to have some kind of allergy for your writing. My own guess is that no TB can stomach a NB, and that too a woman, having so much familiarity with, knowledge of and the ability to put forth her views with such clarity.

I am reminded of the reports in the trade journals of the film industry. When the front page reports the miserable failure of a much awaited film, in an obscure corner on page 9 or 11 some paid journalist would write that the film director was way ahead of his time, his idea was too much to grasp for an average person and went over the heads of the ignorant masses etc.

The producer and/or director puffed up by such encouraging write up would venture to start yet another production of his film with more "exotic" themes but which would contain all the seeds of the failure of the film which bombed earlier.

 

[ShivKC]

X : criticising Brahminism in this forum is not equivalent to coming to your house and insulting you, it just is not

personal attacks are not at all accepted, where as attacking a community or ideology is licenced here, it seems!!..


Jennifer Carpenter quotes: I get that she's a fighter for what she believes in, like her destiny is always on the horizon and she's chasing it with all her might. She doesn't always have the vocabulary to say what she means, which is why she has a bad mouth. But her heart is in the right place.


may be!!



have a look at the following real life incidences where the attack on BELONGINGS are seen as worse than on an INDIVIDUAL , which happens in our day to day life.


in a play ground brawl, an emotionally charged boy tells another: If you hit me personally im ok, but dont badmouth my family . he is more concerned about his belongings

grown up, a school ground brawl : You are free to abuse me, but dont drag my village name through the mud.

now in hostel, where the caste tag has started to come open, be it an SC/BC/TB... :You hit me under belly, Im fine, but dont clapperclaw on my community.


got in to a political party : You stab me, Im fine, but dont dare to utter a word against my ThaLaivar or PartY.

not alone in India, across the world, even in U.S, there is an un-written pact between the happily living couples.. You are free to hit me or scold me as much you could, but dont traduce my family even for a second. watch the movie Jenkins Family.


are they all in the wrong side ? No No No..thats how the world is. these are the exambles, which the apostles of free speech failed to ponder over and want to have their tailor made constitution and bylaws..


its very much natural and an accepted norm that, the people have the tendency to protect the sense of belonging & ideology, and prioritize them than themsleves.


yes, personal attacks is a big no, but also the attack on ones BELONGINGS, be it the community/village/ideology/ISM/Family.. Latter is the biggest crime indeed!!.


i think, it really needs a tone down or may be by using some polished good vocabulary would sove this issue or else, as some one here said, it would be more like some one belting heavy metal in the carnatic concert


give that sandwich short of a picnic a good benefit of doubt, till two shakes of a lamb's tail !!!

 

[rishikesan]

Dear Mr Vaagmi & Dear Mrs Renuka, I have read what is written by Mrs Renuka. I hope she agrees to have objective view of things/ let the Topic be anything ? Why at all we, the well wishers of T. Brahmins , think or write in a distasteful manner . let us desist. I fully agree with the views of Vaagmi. Let us move on . I will go on appealing to our Leader to formulate a Workable Agenda for the overall progress of our brahmin lot. Let us also try to keep a limiit on the length of the writing.
In my 60 years of experience & observations within the state/ country, Tamil Brahmins are , no doubt never adopted caste hatred, but surely had supported the agri. labourers in villages ( great Land Lors SAMBASIVAM of Tanjore dist , who owned Max Lands , but none of the labour community ever blamed, but were in praise.
One more historical fact :- Madurai A. Vaidyanatha Iyer led a Big group of DALITS into the Meenakshi Temple & T.S.S. Rajan led such groups inside the Srirangam Renganathar Peria Koil.
We brahmins can always raise/ keep our heads High, just because, we in the eyes of all other castes are Cowards . Let it be .That is our TRUMP card 60 yrs back & even in this Computer age. We are Good, sometimes very good / but may not be that good bet us bbut Surely for the upliftment of the down-trodden.

Thanks/ please read calmly & let us look to the ways of identifying less privileged/ less informed, wherever they may be , pose the same to this Forum.
UNITY is Strength.

Sincerely,

A.Srinivasan ( Rishikesan)

 

[rishikesan]

Dear Prasad, & also Mrs Renuka, You have mentioned about my comments about Mrs Renuka, & requested me to apologise to her . Why not ? When any one including my 6 grand children,I never, ever hesitate to heartily apologise even if anyone has the slightest hurt ? So, I honestly apologise to Mrs Renuka & to you & also anyone else on our forum, who also may have thought like that.
Once again I appeal to All ---Let us show Unity at all costs.

A.Srinivasan ( rishikesan0

 

[prasad1]

Dear Prasad, & also Mrs Renuka, You have mentioned about my comments about Mrs Renuka, & requested me to apologise to her . Why not ? When any one including my 6 grand children,I never, ever hesitate to heartily apologise even if anyone has the slightest hurt ? So, I honestly apologise to Mrs Renuka & to you & also anyone else on our forum, who also may have thought like that.
Once again I appeal to All ---Let us show Unity at all costs.

A.Srinivasan ( rishikesan0

Renukaji says to stop, that is good enough for me.

But I still I am not clear as to what you are writing, explain your thought please.
What unity? This site is for exchanging views. We have differing views, and sometimes the exchanges are a bit more loud. Your post in this thread is not pertaining to this thread. What is that you want to say?