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[Seshadri Subramaniam]

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what is the meaning for the shabdha - mahavishnu

the supreme is called by many names, by many devotees... as they see it fit - in their own scheme of things... Earlier i had reproduced how the word narayanan was formed...

Are not names a literal to perception???

Anyway, I found this meaning:

To come, to approach, to submit, Vishnu; a symbol of stillness, or can also indicate movement (in other contexts); the seed-syllable (bija) that gives strength, health, and removes obstacles.

 

[malgova.mango]

but it negates - sarvam vishnumayam jagat - correct?

aham is not lord means, God is no Sarvavyapi, sarvashakthi etc...

But this contradicts the Pramana Sahstram right?

 

[malgova.mango]

you reproduced what DS said - but you didn't explain it thoroughly on "NARAYANA"

My question is simple and direct - if a part is non-god then - it negates the SarvaVyapitvam .. which is against the Pramana Shastram.

So how your acharya defends that in his siddantha.

 

[Seshadri Subramaniam]

but it negates - sarvam vishnumayam jagat - correct?

aham is not lord means, God is no Sarvavyapi, sarvashakthi etc...

But this contradicts the Pramana Sahstram right?

No, it does not.. how does it? God is present in all forms in sookshmam in various forms/types...

You are swimming in advaitham and hence you cannot comprehend it...

 

[malgova.mango]

Vishnu means Sarvavyapi - am i correct TBS sir?

 

[Seshadri Subramaniam]

you reproduced what DS said - but you didn't explain it thoroughly on "NARAYANA"

My question is simple and direct - if a part is non-god then - it negates the SarvaVyapitvam .. which is against the Pramana Shastram.

So how your acharya defends that in his siddantha.

Pls see my reply below...

 

[malgova.mango]

if sthoolam is non-god then - sarvavyapitvam is rendered meaningless

 

[Seshadri Subramaniam]

Vishnu means Sarvavyapi - am i correct TBS sir?

I dont think so... if that is so, then the sentence "sarvam vishnu mayam jagat" is unnecessary... as it is redundant... since the entire meaning is contained in one literal itself...

anyway, shri tbs or any sanskrit scholar - pls clarify

 

[malgova.mango]

sthoolam is non-god - is that what you say?

 

[Seshadri Subramaniam]

if sthoolam is non-god then - sarvavyapitvam is rendered meaningless

sthoolam is non-god impregnated with sookshmam

 

[malgova.mango]

hey it is Veda vakyam - you and i have no authority to say it is redundant or unnecessary.

PLEASE STICK TO THE QUESTION. WHETHER I swim in advaitham or not is of non-relevance here

 

[Seshadri Subramaniam]

Why not? I have every right to question it as every living soul here does...

 

[malgova.mango]

"ayamae hastho bhagwan" says vedam - means what ?

 

[malgova.mango]

You can question anything, i agree. but in the spirit of discussion let's clarify one by one.

 

[Seshadri Subramaniam]

Pls explain and then pose your query...

 

[malgova.mango]

with a part non-god - please explain sarvavyapitvam

 

[Seshadri Subramaniam]

with a part non-god - please explain sarvavyapitvam

As I said the gross matter is devoid of godliness... but the sookshmam i.e., the consciousness in us is pervaded by the supreme...

But again, it is not in control... for there is that part of our will that acts upon by virtue of our physical perceptions...

So, by being present in the sub-consciousness, he is all pervading... but by not exhibiting his characteristics, the entity is different...

 

[Seshadri Subramaniam]

If everything is brahman, then we need not do anything to be brahman... for WE ARE brahman...

This is meaningless... hence, brahman is present in the sub-consciousness level, as the prana shakthi, as the hidden will... that has the potential to manifest... until then we are different entities...

 

[malgova.mango]

you said - our will, aham is non-god right ? just say yes or no

 

[malgova.mango]

ok when we sleep - there is non-god when we wake up there is god - is that what you say?

 

[malgova.mango]

in otherwords - at seed level or unmanifest level - there is non-god
at full grown stage it is god - is that what you say?

 

[Seshadri Subramaniam]

you said - our will, aham is non-god right ? just say yes or no

I cannot put it down as a simple Y/N...

Will and aham are different...

Aham has both the conscious will and the sub conscious will... what we excercise now is our conscious will...

I say sub conscious will because it is not manifest ordinarily... and that is why concentration without distraction is needed... to awaken the sub consciousness while our outer consciousness is awake... it is in this state that people attain gyana dhristhi or gain miraculous powers...

 

[Seshadri Subramaniam]

ok when we sleep - there is non-god when we wake up there is god - is that what you say?

I think you are just trying to trivialise my views by your banal queries...

 

[happyhindu]

Ko adha vaid ka-iha pravochad (?) devaam achhapatyan ka samiti dattashra (?) ayshamavma sadamsi pareyshu ya guhahoshu vrateyshu (rig 3.54.5)

Who knows what is the truth (or who may declare what is the truth)? What is the proper path that leads to the place of divine? Only the inferior abiding places are perceived, not those in superior mysterious locations.

Ekam evagnir-bahuda samidha ekam suryo vishvamanu prabhuta: ekaivosha: sarvamidham vi-bhatyekam va idam vi bhuva sarvam (rig 8.58.2)

Behold unity in diversity as the one divine appearing in multiforms. Immense is His vasteness, His glory. Countless earths, suns, planets that are seen and that are beyond our perception exist under His command. Kindled in various forms, the flame is one.

 

[Seshadri Subramaniam]

in otherwords - at seed level or unmanifest level - there is non-god
at full grown stage it is god - is that what you say?

NO NO NO...:noidea:

You simply refuse to understand... is it?

There is godliness everywhere; wherever it is manifest fully, we might attain the state of the supreme... if not, we just remain as different entities...