Progression or Erosion of Brahmin Ethos?

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Renuka Ji,

Seems like We have no regard for our 'EcoSystems'. Any new development, be it real-estate or industrlal, should be made without affecting the environment and the basic necessities of people. That's exactly why, the USA environment is still clean while they are developing alongside. We simply want to build, build, build, and have no idea of basic drainage, sewage-treatment, nature-preservation (parks/trees for fresh air and rain) etc.

So, at what point does this development over-run our Sanathan Dharma? Why do people want to marry and produce children, while there are not enough resources around??

Sorry, this may be off-topic, but want to question your enthusiasm for development?? So, what is development along the dharmic lines??

hi
i heard that in USA.....if you want cut tress for home development....firt we have to get permission to cut the tress from

the local county deprartment....then we have to put 3 new small plants......then the cuttingof one tree is componsated by the 3...

this is called development and preservation....here in USA rules are strictly followed...

 

[kunjuppu]

That is exactly, why we should practice those peripheral anushtAnams, will keep us away from corrupting our minds (peer-pressure or vAsana). But, it is parent' responsibility to
educate on the philosophical or moral basis for such actions.

Those cases are mostly born out of defiance. After consumption, it becomes a craving or addiction. Most cases are addiction.

Compare 1 cup of chicken vs Lentils. Lentils provide 18g protein but has high fiber and easy for digestion (easy on stomach), and donot produce any steroidal hormones like the high niacin Chicken. One has to eat healthy nuts to add good cholesterol. Those who dont eat healthy veggie diets, experience craving. For most part, the blame is on the moms or both prarents, who can't provide right food at home or educate the kids.

Chicken has high niacin (steroid hormone generating, though promotes metabolism/DNA repair - to-NB genes!) , man! 43g of protein (enough for whole day) without fiber, (with their germs+fat), makes one feel like a goat gulped python!. So much for the liver and kidneys!. Looks like some want to budget and save!

govinda,

i dont think my friend had any defiance in him. if at all anything, he was a tradition parppaan, did his sandhi, changed poonal at avani avittam and all the regular stuff.

always he would walk around humming happily away, a carnatic tune; would quij the 'knowledgeables' as to the identify of the ragam.

do you think his death at 35, in garish circumstances, was a result of the karma, coming back, as a punishment, for eating the chicken? ie the chicken souls finally got back at him?

or maybe the american cows. i always felt that only indian cows are sacred. that american or european cows, which dont say maay, but mooo, are not sanctified.

 

[Govinda]

govinda,

i dont think my friend had any defiance in him. if at all anything, he was a tradition parppaan, did his sandhi, changed poonal at avani avittam and all the regular stuff.

always he would walk around humming happily away, a carnatic tune; would quij the 'knowledgeables' as to the identify of the ragam.

do you think his death at 35, in garish circumstances, was a result of the karma, coming back, as a punishment, for eating the chicken? ie the chicken souls finally got back at him?

or maybe the american cows. i always felt that only indian cows are sacred. that american or european cows, which dont say maay, but mooo, are not sanctified.

Two things here.

Carnatic music lovers are just are as emotional and another addict like ritual-addict, Coffee-addict or chicken-addict or six-pack addict. Carnatic music points to devotional songs, with some philosophy embedded in it. Yet, Carnatic lovers needn't be sAttvika or realized. But, Carnatic lovers can be more evolved than light-music lovers, where the former is interested in the rhythms and are number-fanatic and the latter are lyric/word fanatic ( for lust/romance words). IMO. Your friend may be adventurous and any-addict.

'moo' can be indo-european than the indo-aryan 'maa'. Just a twist of tongue with more hormones! But, any life is worth-living and has own-right rather than just sacred. Plus, a milch-cow (maa or moo) can feed many, thus depreciating its karma. And by killing such animals, you are depriving of its right and life! As Raju's post clearly conveys, we should take a concept in a complete sense. Non-violence to any/every life 'beyond survival'! If we can obtain lentils/nuts, why go for chicken?

Coming to the guilty consciousness, our dharma wants us to move forward. Once realized, correct yourself, get over the guilt. If one hangs on to it again and again, the karma will chase him like road-runner! His gruesome death may be a big punishment, who knows he may come clean next life. Or it was his destiny or end of last-life karma. Karma and punishments can be solved one time big or many times small and doesnot follow any arithmetic progression. Only, the creator knows! But, we had time to change and free-will be accounted for punishments/re-birth!

Plus, eating meat is one example, but how about taking bribes, polluting the planet, grabbing others life's chances, tricking others, being greedy and listless... we got to read the Garuda Purana This is exactly why we are born in the over-populated continent to struggle! This will be no joke in another 20 years.

 

[tbs]

hi govinda sir,


we got to read the Garuda Purana This is exactly why we are born in the over-populated continent to struggle! This will be no joke in another 20 years.


just 2 days back...i started reading garuda purana....very tough to understand our day to day sins.......very difficult to digest...

really a fearful thoughts......the journey of SOOSHMA SARIRA ....after death of human beings....

 

[renuka]

Renuka Ji,

Seems like We have no regard for our 'EcoSystems'. Any new development, be it real-estate or industrlal, should be made without affecting the environment and the basic necessities of people. That's exactly why, the USA environment is still clean while they are developing alongside. We simply want to build, build, build, and have no idea of basic drainage, sewage-treatment, nature-preservation (parks/trees for fresh air and rain) etc.

So, at what point does this development over-run our Sanathan Dharma? Why do people want to marry and produce children, while there are not enough resources around??

Sorry, this may be off-topic, but want to question your enthusiasm for development?? So, what is development along the dharmic lines??

Dear Govinda ji,

Development is not just cutting down all forest and having a bunch of sky scrapers.
The development that you had listed..

We simply want to build, build, build, and have no idea of basic drainage, sewage-treatment, nature-preservation (parks/trees for fresh air and rain) etc.

..that is not development..that's Corruption where the money allotted for basic drainage, sewage,nature preservation is pocketed by some politician and all we get to see is building!

Development is eradication of poverty,equal resources to all, equal opportunity to all, low infant mortality and maternal mortality rate,preservation of the environment,decreasing pollution,eradication of corruption...list can go one..at the same time instilling human values via and "educare" education system.


To your question why people want to get married and have children when there are so many running around?

People get married/stay together cos it is the human basic instinct to procreate for continuation of species.
BTW people also get married for the following reasons:

1)To share their life with someone.

2)A free constant supply of sensual pleasure.

3)Guddarika syndrome(herd mentality)just like how sheeps move about in a herd and if one sheep falls into a pit the others behind are bound to do so....we tend to follow what others have done without giving much of a thought..so we think that just becos other got married we should also do so.


Now coming to your question..why people have kids when there are so many running around?
People have kids for the following reasons:

1)Basic instinct for continuation of species.

2)Hoping the child will look after them when they are old.

3)Failure of contraceptive and Lo Behold! a child is born.

4)Some people who have had a wonderful time on earth and fear the after life..need a child esp a son to bail them out from hell.

I hope I have answered your question.

 

[kunjuppu]

hi govinda sir,


we got to read the Garuda Purana This is exactly why we are born in the over-populated continent to struggle! This will be no joke in another 20 years.


SOOSHMA SAIRA ......

soosha swaraj and saira bhanu...hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

 

[renuka]

hi govinda sir,


we got to read the Garuda Purana This is exactly why we are born in the over-populated continent to struggle! This will be no joke in another 20 years.


just 2 days back...i started reading garuda purana....very tough to understand our day to day sins.......very difficult to digest...

really a fearful thoughts......the journey of SOOSHMA SARIRA ....after death of human beings....

Dear TBS garu,

I also was reading Garuda Purana some few weeks back..I feel some stories are just fabricated to scare us humans to behave.

There also seems to be gender bias in Garuda Purana..cos more is expected from a woman in terms of good behaviour and character.

So I feel we should read it with a pinch of salt.

 

[tbs]

Dear TBS garu,

I also was reading Garuda Purana some few weeks back..I feel some stories are just fabricated to scare us humans to behave.

There also seems to be gender bias in Garuda Purana..cos more is expected from a woman in terms of good behaviour and character.

So I feel we should read it with a pinch of salt.

dear doctor,

i agreed with u.....too much on woman behavior/character.....sometimes too scary too...

 

[Govinda]

soosha swaraj and saira bhanu...hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Here goes the road-runner with no change in sight.....

 

[Govinda]

hi i heard that in USA.....if you want cut tress for home development....firt we have to get permission to cut the tress from the local county deprartment....then we have to put 3 new small pants......then the cuttingof one tree is componsated by the 3... this is called development and preservation....here in USA rules are strictly followed...

Actually, they are ahead of us in doing prAyas-chittam before the needed-act (Cutting trees). Here, we do the PrAyas-chittam afterwards, but that is more grave than the bad-cause. E.g: Our govt. officials, reduce the govt.tax or Utility, and pocket that welfare money. For prAyas-chittam, they charge us more as a bribe. We could have paid the excess for the welfare-tax itself. Most public are not allowed to be sane in India! How can we develop?

 

[Govinda]

Dear Govinda ji,
Development is eradication of poverty,equal resources to all, equal opportunity to all, low infant mortality and maternal mortality rate,preservation of the environment,decreasing pollution,eradication of corruption...list can go one..at the same time instilling human values via and "educare" education system.

Who asked anyone to get corrupt? Where is everyone's responsibility for the growing populace?

Back to the OP post, when our father watched Steffi graf without blinking, we wanted Sania Mirza in real life with all the flushing (Chicken).

Why didn't they just contribute to the education/science/development without having to give up the internal/external anushtAnams that disciplined their mind? Doesn't this
prove, they were more craving for the comforts, status (gold/houses/stocks), but never cared for the societal welfare! This isn't just for Brahmins,
same with the naidus/reddys and other castes, who were relatively spiritual and ethical. How did that dharma, decay exponentially within 2 generations??

So What?? This question, is just an excuse. the moment we turn off the TV, when the family haven't followed the needed anushtAnams, we would have progressed!! We would
have progressed much better, if we haven't bought the TV, and stayed with the radio for just news! Finally, we ended in craze, fashion, greed, lust....

So What?? Now, we can all get back to our roots of dharma, though it might take time. Until, we have pre-judice, defiant people debated illogically, we will only
degrade more radically in cubic powers.

So What? Why did the silly women think her jobless PhD is worthier than a earning husband? This is all our false notion of pride, status, and development!

So what?? Why didnt we work within our own community? Why didnt we go to the same schools in our community and promoted those schools? why did we need so many cars, buses, air-buses (planes) in plenty?? Except for dams for agriculture and some tractors for farming, some monitors for health, we simply polluted this earth and our own minds, and stained our relationships and ultimately our own self!!

So waht? Unless any of our endeavours, efforts dont contribute to the wellness, welfare of our minds/attitude, all our status/advancements are futile.

 

[kunjuppu]

Here goes the road-runner with no change in sight.....

you bet man, with a wily coyote like yourself, what do you expect?

 

[biswa]

Mr K.

Rather interesting story you had with a twist at the end. I think the person's unfortunate early death may not have been due to his eating habits. I think it is because he was so good in academics, sports, general knowledge etc. Talented people usually dont live long, witness Vivekananda, Mozart or Shelley.

Acquiring some negative karma, like Hugo Chavez or Castro or Mao may have prolonged his life!

govinda,

i dont think my friend had any defiance in him. if at all anything, he was a tradition parppaan, did his sandhi, changed poonal at avani avittam and all the regular stuff.

always he would walk around humming happily away, a carnatic tune; would quij the 'knowledgeables' as to the identify of the ragam.

do you think his death at 35, in garish circumstances, was a result of the karma, coming back, as a punishment, for eating the chicken? ie the chicken souls finally got back at him?

or maybe the american cows. i always felt that only indian cows are sacred. that american or european cows, which dont say maay, but mooo, are not sanctified.

 

[renuka]

Who asked anyone to get corrupt? Where is everyone's responsibility for the growing populace?

Back to the OP post, when our father watched Steffi graf without blinking, we wanted Sania Mirza in real life with all the flushing (Chicken).

Why didn't they just contribute to the education/science/development without having to give up the internal/external anushtAnams that disciplined their mind? Doesn't this
prove, they were more craving for the comforts, status (gold/houses/stocks), but never cared for the societal welfare! This isn't just for Brahmins,
same with the naidus/reddys and other castes, who were relatively spiritual and ethical. How did that dharma, decay exponentially within 2 generations??

So What?? This question, is just an excuse. the moment we turn off the TV, when the family haven't followed the needed anushtAnams, we would have progressed!! We would
have progressed much better, if we haven't bought the TV, and stayed with the radio for just news! Finally, we ended in craze, fashion, greed, lust....

So What?? Now, we can all get back to our roots of dharma, though it might take time. Until, we have pre-judice, defiant people debated illogically, we will only
degrade more radically in cubic powers.

So What? Why did the silly women think her jobless PhD is worthier than a earning husband? This is all our false notion of pride, status, and development!

So what?? Why didnt we work within our own community? Why didnt we go to the same schools in our community and promoted those schools? why did we need so many cars, buses, air-buses (planes) in plenty?? Except for dams for agriculture and some tractors for farming, some monitors for health, we simply polluted this earth and our own minds, and stained our relationships and ultimately our own self!!

So waht? Unless any of our endeavours, efforts dont contribute to the wellness, welfare of our minds/attitude, all our status/advancements are futile.

Jai Bolo Govinda Ji Ki Jai!

You should stand for elections and become the next PM of India!

No jokes..I mean it!

 

[Govinda]

Jai Bolo Govinda Ji Ki Jai! You should stand for elections and become the next PM of India! No jokes..I mean it!

Probably, these documentaries, hit me hard! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpdoRUMeshw

 

[tbs]

Probably, these documentaries, hit me hard! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpdoRUMeshw

hi
nice documentary...thank u so much...

 

[suraju06]

Superb response raju. Post #20.

Who is limat or tamil reversed? He appears like, arasu in kumudam, create good questions and watches the fun as the answers are flushed out.
I used to know a guy, who was tops in everything he did. Champion TT player. Won all the general knowledge quij in the college. Stood on top of his class. Great carnatic music rasika – who could probably tell if the singer on stage was suffering from gas pains while doing an alapana. Had a poonal and did his abhivadhay and sandhi, his room near mine, in our hostel.
Except whenever chicken was served in the non veg part of the mess, he would rush to procur a dish. And he would do the obligatory ubasaranam to the chicken along with the rice and ghee. At first it was a novelty enjoyed by parppaans like me, who came to ignore it as familiarity set in.
He moved to usa and things were going great for him. By mid 30 he was a VP of a senior aero engine company and soon had a niche defined to him. Heard that he was into high quality angus beef and kobe beef as his culinary preferences in god’s own country.
He did tragically in a car accident, before his 35th birthday, leaving behind two young children, one a toddler and another an infant.

Dear Kunjuppu,

I am not surprised to know about your friend and his tragic end. I know quite a few such people in my friends circle too. I would like to just add this:

A brahmin's system is wired in a different way. Like my friend Varkey said, it is wired to seek answers, explore the frontiers and go beyond that, live on the edge for the sheer thrill of it as he shoots through the final hurdle etc., Once a brahmin starts out on a venture, he is not wired to be satisfied with what he has won until he reaches the last plateu. If you dig a little deeper into your friend's case history you may find that he had just one peg too many for the road on the day he drove his car out. Poor guy! despite his intelligence he did not have this perception about the way his system was wired.

Do you chuckle now reading my post and think this fellow is an incorrigible brahmin warrior. If so you have just read through and not perceived.

Cheers.

 

[renuka]

A brahmin's system is wired in a different way. Like my friend Varkey said, it is wired to seek answers, explore the frontiers and go beyond that, live on the edge for the sheer thrill of it as he shoots through the final hurdle etc.,
Cheers.

This sounds just like all the scientists/explorers we see on National Geographic/Discovery Channel.

In fact your statement can be used as an advertisement For National Geographic.

"We seek answers..We explore the frontiers and go beyond that..We live on the edge for the sheer thrill of it.. as we shoot through the final hurdle..This is National Geographic!"

 

[Govinda]

This sounds just like all the scientists/explorers we see on National Geographic/Discovery Channel. In fact your statement can be used as an advertisement For National Geographic. "We seek answers..We explore the frontiers and go beyond that..We live on the edge for the sheer thrill of it.. as we shoot through the final hurdle..This is National Geographic!"

Renuka, ippadi ethAvathu irundu polishedA vArthai solli, irundu pera thiruththa-lAmnu pArkarOm.... vida mAttenreengalay!

 

[renuka]

Renuka, ippadi ethAvathu irundu polishedA vArthai solli, irundu pera thiruththa-lAmnu pArkarOm.... vida mAttenreengalay!

LOL! took me sometime to decipher what you wrote..it's kind of hard to read Romanized Tamil as it is my Tamil reading speed is not all that great.

I just meant that as a joke cos I have seen such similar sentences used in National Geographic/Discovery Channels.

In fact Suraju sir was describing a Jijnaasu in his statement.

 

[Brahmanyan]

The core of “being a Brahmin” still remains not corrupted and that is why all this melodrama and question ‘so what’ so many times. Today, if you visit just once an abattoir the very next day you will give up going to Velu Military or the Muniyandi Vilas Hotel which you frequent and all the 60 days old chicks which go into the making of your chicken-60 dish will be haunting you because you have not yet passed into that state in which you have lost all your Brahmin basic values. At the gene level our calendar years are just nano seconds and it takes generations for the cultural impact on the genes to manifest in perceptible changes. If you do not perceive the value of all that you have lost and if you do not teach your children these values as your father failed to do, the peripheral reality will overwhelm the core of “being a Brahmin”.

Now I will tell you a little bit about the core of “being a Brahmin”.

Being a brahmin involves living peacefully with satvik values. To acquire and retain satvic values you have to be born a Brahmin and you need to follow a certain discipline in life. Not to harm any living beings is one such value. Not be conceited even while keeping your self esteem in tact is another. Being always aware of your dependence on God and on everything in this world is another. We can add many more to this list. Behavioral scientists call it Adult Ego State and it is some what close to this definition. Being always in that state is what is the core of being a Brahmin. The discipline part involves avoiding non-veg food as it hinders satvik state and involves killing of other living beings. Doing a namaskar before an elderly person involves respect for knowledge that comes with age and controlling of ego. Saying abhivathaye involves reminding oneself about the satvic values his genes have picked up since a long time through generations.

Dear Sri "suraju"

Very nice words, You have given the core values of "being a Brahmin" in a nutshell. It is not difficult for any one to practice these values which is already there in our genes.

Regards,
Brahmanyan,
Bangalore.

 

[suraju06]

Dear Renuka,

1.

This sounds just like all the scientists/explorers we see on National Geographic/Discovery Channel.
In fact your statement can be used as an advertisement For National Geographic.
"We seek answers..We explore the frontiers and go beyond that..We live on the edge for the sheer thrill of it.. as we shoot through the final hurdle..This is National Geographic!"

2.

In fact Suraju sir was describing a Jijnaasu in his statement.

When I read the first para given above as 1 I thought it was Renuka in one of her Rajasic seizures. When I read what is in the para 2 above, I understood that she is fighting to remain saatvik and I wished her well. Okay why did you say just jijnaasu without any prefix? Still fighting it out?

Cheers.

 

[sravna]

Dear Kunjuppu,

A brahmin's system is wired in a different way. Like my friend Varkey said, it is wired to seek answers, explore the frontiers and go beyond that, live on the edge for the sheer thrill of it as he shoots through the final hurdle etc., Once a brahmin starts out on a venture, he is not wired to be satisfied with what he has won until he reaches the last plateu.


Cheers.

Dear Shri Raju,

I am not sure if there is any other community in the world that focuses as much on the spiritual aspect as brahmins do. I think that's what enables them to offer a totally different perspective on each and every aspect of life. It is that different perspective which is necessary to disengage the rest and the fellow brahmins who have fallen into the materialistic trap, from the mechanized personality they have developed and to make them realize the shallowness of the so called pragmatic approach to life. If the brahmins give up their ethos I think any trace of spiritual thinking that is there now would vanish from the world. Brahmins need to again firmly and fully believe in the values they were known to possess . That firm belief I am sure would not only help them tide over the present overwhelming belief in materialism but also guide others in leading a balanced life.

 

[renuka]

Dear Renuka,

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When I read the first para given above as 1 I thought it was Renuka in one of her Rajasic seizures. When I read what is in the para 2 above, I understood that she is fighting to remain saatvik and I wished her well. Okay why did you say just jijnaasu without any prefix? Still fighting it out?

Cheers.

Dear Suraju ji,

I did mention in my post to Govinda Ji that I meant that as a joke..seriously.. similar lines were used in Nat Geo channel.

Cos in your statement your were describing an explorer in a journey and the quest for knowledge.

Yes..that fits the description of a Jijnaasu..the word Jijnaasu does not need a pre fix..its self explanatory.

The word Jijnaasu is not used to describe one's thirst for the acquisition of worldly knowledge.

Where is the fight my dear...a human is made up of admixture of the 3 gunas in varying proportions which is also dependent on the time of the day.

It is 2.51pm out here now..so you are right..it's Raja Guna time.

Sattva time finished before in the morning.

Let me log in at Tamas Guna time later and write something! LOL

 

[renuka]

Dear Shri Raju,

I am not sure if there is any other community in the world that focuses as much on the spiritual aspect as brahmins do. I think that's what enables them to offer a totally different perspective on each and every aspect of life. It is that different perspective which is necessary to disengage the rest and the fellow brahmins who have fallen into the materialistic trap, from the mechanized personality they have developed and to make them realize the shallowness of the so called pragmatic approach to life. If the brahmins give up their ethos I think any trace of spiritual thinking that is there now would vanish from the world. Brahmins need to again firmly and fully believe in the values they were known to possess . That firm belief I am sure would not only help them tide over the present overwhelming belief in materialism but also guide others in leading a balanced life.

Dear Sravna,

I agree to a certain extent on what you wrote but you haven't lived with Muslims like I have.

They are also very spiritual and religious if you get to know the right and true Muslims.