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renuka said:
... This is great..equal treatment for everyone and taking feelings and sentiments of both husband and wife.
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Dear Renu,

This story does not end here! Some of our extended family members were making fun of us,

saying that we were saving money by not celebrating festivals in a grand manner! :sad:
 
Janaki Jambunathan said:
........... This Copy cat - really funny - This is xerox copy cat or Parrot act! as some copy cat had already copied this from Y tube ........
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:lol: That is NOT defined as copy cat, J J Ji. It is copy paste! :typing:
Try to judge correctly! :decision:

P.S: Copy cats are those who copy other's words and / or fonts!!
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I met the second generation of a TB priest in the Mariamman temple in Vietnam in Saigon city now named Ho Chi Minh city...The priest married a Vietnamese ...The priest is no more ...But his son is the officiating priest...He speaks a muttering of Tamil...He is assisted by his son..The temple is managed well...I found lot of Vietnamese praying there...
 
I am in Kovai near Maruda malai...A newly constructed villa was vibrating with vedic chants two days back...It was about 6 am...I expected a TB family...But it turned out to be a Gounder family...A traditional house warming was performed with Pasu, Ganapathy homam, Navgraha homam..Vastu Homam was done previous night! More than B, I find other communities being more religious and following the Vedic rituals..So traditional forms of worship are still being preferred
 
vgane said:
I am in Kovai near Maruda malai...A newly constructed villa was vibrating with vedic chants two days back...It was about 6 am...I expected a TB family...But it turned out to be a Gounder family...A traditional house warming was performed with Pasu, Ganapathy homam, Navgraha homam..Vastu Homam was done previous night! More than B, I find other communities being more religious and following the Vedic rituals..So traditional forms of worship are still being preferred
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Dear Vgane ji,

I find you strange!LOL

Really.

You see its nice to note that Hinduism is being practiced by Hindus of any community in a traditional and orthodox way but what I can't understand is the need for comparison with your own community.

I am sure there are TBs who still adhere to their traditions too so why compare and contrast with other communities and imagine that a Non TB is more religious than a TB or vice-versa or a Martian is more religious than an Earthling?

For me its simple..everyone follows most traditions for some benefit or desire for self,family and even society. So sometimes what we see is desires in action.

When I see someone outwardly very " religious"....I do not start to feel that he/she follows culture more than me..I just feel its their choice but in that process I do not feel I need to be critical of myself that someone else follows tradition better than me.

I think we all need to appreciate ourselves and our own effort no matter if we are TB or not TB.
 
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Last year a tamil family in singapore did grahaprevasm for an apartment in a multistory building with cow, puja and guests. A video was also posted in our forum.

vgane said:
I am in Kovai near Maruda malai...A newly constructed villa was vibrating with vedic chants two days back...It was about 6 am...I expected a TB family...But it turned out to be a Gounder family...A traditional house warming was performed with Pasu, Ganapathy homam, Navgraha homam..Vastu Homam was done previous night! More than B, I find other communities being more religious and following the Vedic rituals..So traditional forms of worship are still being preferred
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Because the impression created by black shirts that only brahmins did vedic rituals. All communities did all the samskaras and rituals, and now after a break of one generation, more and more people are discovering the virtues and benefits of rituals, and many officiated by brahmins.

renuka said:
Dear Vgane ji,

I find you strange!LOL

Really.

You see its nice to note that Hinduism is being practiced by Hindus of any community in a traditional and orthodox way but what I can't understand is the need for comparison with your own community.

I am sure there are TBs who still adhere to their traditions too so why compare and contrast with other communities and imagine that a Non TB is more religious than a TB or vice-versa or a Martian is more religious than an Earthling?

For me its simple..everyone follows most traditions for some benefit or desire for self,family and even society. So sometimes what we see is desires in action.

When I see someone outwardly very " religious"....I do not start to feel that he/she follows culture more than me..I just feel its their choice but in that process I do not feel I need to be critical of myself that someone else follows tradition better than me.

I think we all need to appreciate ourselves and our own effort no matter if we are TB or not TB.
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sarang said:
Because the impression created by black shirts that only brahmins did vedic rituals. All communities did all the samskaras and rituals, and now after a break of one generation, more and more people are discovering the virtues and benefits of rituals, and many officiated by brahmins.
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Very true, Sir! I have many NB friends who perform poojA every day and observe fasting on special days.

They never miss a visit to the temple on pradhOsham days! :pray:
 
sarang said:
Last year a tamil family in singapore did grahaprevasm for an apartment in a multistory building with cow, puja and guests. A video was also posted in our forum.
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I know people out here who go nuts over Grahapravesham! I have seen people even break the floor at front of the house to place some gold during Grahapravesham.

One person brought a cow into an apartment and when the cow was coming down the stairs it lost control and went dashing straight ahead into the wall and died of head injuries!

I think cows should not be tortured for the sake of our well being by forcing them to enter high rise buildings and stressing them up. A cow can gets stressed easily.

This is where we humans should have the brains to draw the line between what is needed and what is not needed.
 
renuka said:
Dear Vgane ji,

I find you strange!LOL

Really.

You see its nice to note that Hinduism is being practiced by Hindus of any community in a traditional and orthodox way but what I can't understand is the need for comparison with your own community.

I am sure there are TBs who still adhere to their traditions too so why compare and contrast with other communities and imagine that a Non TB is more religious than a TB or vice-versa or a Martian is more religious than an Earthling?

For me its simple..everyone follows most traditions for some benefit or desire for self,family and even society. So sometimes what we see is desires in action.

When I see someone outwardly very " religious"....I do not start to feel that he/she follows culture more than me..I just feel its their choice but in that process I do not feel I need to be critical of myself that someone else follows tradition better than me.

I think we all need to appreciate ourselves and our own effort no matter if we are TB or not TB.
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Smt. Renuka,

I think you forget the cardinal truth that Hindu religion was for only the three upper castes or Dwijas. Here is what Yajnavalkya Smriti (one of the many Smritis, and one which I was reading just now.) says:—

YAJNAVALKYA.

X. — The castes are the Brahmanas, the Ksatriyas,
the Vaisyas and the Sudras. Only the first three (of
these) are twice-born, the performance of the ceremonies
beginning with the rite of impregnation and ending
(with the funeral rites) in the cremation-ground, of these
only, is prescribed with sacred formulas.— 10.

balambhatta's gloss.

Tho word Upodghaata (general view or preface) is synonymous with udaahara.
The word " tavad-varnam" means all castes; the force of taavad being to denote
" all." The word tvaadyaaH in the verse is equal to " adyaaH tu" meaning " the first
(three) only." The word " Brahma ' in the verse means " the BrAhmana caste" and so
the commentator explains it by the word " Brahmana." The words "among these "
should be read in the verse to complete the sentence. The word " dvija " is a
technical term retaining also its etymological meaning; namely they are "twice-
born " or regenerate : for the investiture with the sacred thread is the second birth.
All ceremonies of the three higher castes are performed by reciting sacred
formulas : those of the Sudras are performed in silence without such recitation.

Yama on Sudras.— As says Yama (Yama Smriti) : " The Sudra also must be similarly sanctified,
by the performance of the above rites but without the utterance of the sacred formulas.

Therefore, the Gounder could not have thought of any mantra being chanted for any function, say 100 years or so before now. That is the point. We, in the present days, are merely trying to stretch, skew and shear this original unadulterated Hinduism as though it had been a democratic and universal thing — trying to make a peacock out of a crow, sort of!
 
sangom said:
Smt. Renuka,

I think you forget the cardinal truth that Hindu religion was for only the three upper castes or Dwijas. Here is what Yajnavalkya Smriti (one of the many Smritis, and one which I was reading just now.) says:—

YAJNAVALKYA.

X. — The castes are the Brahmanas, the Ksatriyas,
the Vaisyas and the Sudras. Only the first three (of
these) are twice-born, the performance of the ceremonies
beginning with the rite of impregnation and ending
(with the funeral rites) in the cremation-ground, of these
only, is prescribed with sacred formulas.— 10.

balambhatta's gloss.

Tho word Upodghaata (general view or preface) is synonymous with udaahara.
The word " tavad-varnam" means all castes; the force of taavad being to denote
" all." The word tvaadyaaH in the verse is equal to " adyaaH tu" meaning " the first
(three) only." The word " Brahma ' in the verse means " the BrAhmana caste" and so
the commentator explains it by the word " Brahmana." The words "among these "
should be read in the verse to complete the sentence. The word " dvija " is a
technical term retaining also its etymological meaning; namely they are "twice-
born " or regenerate : for the investiture with the sacred thread is the second birth.
All ceremonies of the three higher castes are performed by reciting sacred
formulas : those of the Sudras are performed in silence without such recitation.

Yama on Sudras.— As says Yama (Yama Smriti) : " The Sudra also must be similarly sanctified,
by the performance of the above rites but without the utterance of the sacred formulas.

Therefore, the Gounder could not have thought of any mantra being chanted for any function, say 100 years or so before now. That is the point. We, in the present days, are merely trying to stretch, skew and shear this original unadulterated Hinduism as though it had been a democratic and universal thing — trying to make a peacock out of a crow, sort of!
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Dear Sangom Ji,

Then will the Brahmanas who are doing all these audible rites for the Non Dwija Gounder incur any "sin"?
Just a thought.
 
Dear Renu,

Now a days, some NB's way of life is purer than some of the brahmin's way of life!

So, can the brahmins, who are ONLY born brahmins, listen to these chanting? :confused:

The solution in the OP seems to be easier to make one a qualified brahmin. :thumb:
 
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Smt. Renuka,

I think you forget the cardinal truth that Hindu religion was for only the three upper castes or Dwijas. Here is what Yajnavalkya Smriti (one of the many Smritis, and one which I was reading just now.) says:—
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Therefore, the Gounder could not have thought of any mantra being chanted for any function, say 100 years or so before now. That is the point. We, in the present days, are merely trying to stretch, skew and shear this original unadulterated Hinduism as though it had been a democratic and universal thing — trying to make a peacock out of a crow, sort of!
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Nothing can be farther from truth.

The learned member has made the following observations flippantly.
1. ” the cardinal truth is that Hindu religion was for only the three upper castes or Dwijas.”

2. “the Gounder could not have thought of any mantra being chanted for any function, say 100 years or so before now.”

3. “. We, in the present days, are merely trying to stretch, skew and shear this original unadulterated Hinduism as though it had been a democratic and universal thing — trying to make a peacock out of a crow, sort of!”

Along with Yajnyavalkya smriti, which he is reading, I would request him to go back a little farther and read the following scriptures also:

a. Chandokya Upanishad IV.2.1-5. Briefly this describes how a Shudra by name Janasruti approached a Brahmin by name Raikva and learned brahmavidya (Vedas).

b. Rigveda Book 1, Hymn 18. The particular Pathikam starts with the words”sOmAnamswaranam….”. It speaks about a certain Kakshivandan who was the son of a Shudra woman by name Usikai. In those lines Kakshivandan is praised as a learned vedic pundit.

c. Aitareya Brahmanam, Panchik 2, Adhyay 3. It begins with how a hunter (a panchaman and not even a shudra) by name Kavasha did VedAdyayana and performed Yaga. Also refer to Rigveda 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Ashtaka in which Kavasha is credited with some manthras there.

d. and the story of Japala is well known to many people. His story is told in Chandokya Upanishad 4[SUP]th[/SUP] PrapAta. It explains how Japala was told by his mother JApAlai that she did not know the gothra of her son because he was born when she was young and when she was not knowing the father of her son. She further tells her son that his name was SatyakAman. She further instructs her son to go to his Brahmin teacher and tell him just that he was the son of JApAlai and that his name was Satyakaman. Harithrumatha, the Brahmin Guru, was impressed by Satyakama’s love for speaking truth and performs Upanayana for him preparatory to teaching Vedas. He further teaches him Vedas. So one who does not know his father and who did not even know his gothra was also taught Vedas.

The above is only selected few instances where it is seen teachers belonging to the three varnas teaching Vedas to Shudras, doing an upanayanam to a Satyakama who did not know his father or his gothra, and to a panchaman. There are other instances in the Srutis but they are left out considering the space. It is the later day smritikarthas who unnecessarily made a mess of everything. Between Sruti and smriti, Sruti is always accepted as authoritative and final. And incidentally we call those who give great importance to smritis to the exclusion of srutis as smarthas. LOL.

So getting back to our learned member, after reading all the material referred above, I hope he will change his perception about the Hindu religion.

@ The cardinal truth is not that Hindu religion is or was for the three upper caste dwijas.

@ The Gounder, if he was well informed, would have understood that he, as a hindu, had the natural right to chant mantras and teach them too.

@ There is no attempt to stretch, shear or skew the “original” Hinduism, nor is there any attempt to make a peacock out of a crow. One who sees a crow now and a peacock the next moment is perhaps suffering from color blindness and needs to consult a good doctor. LOL. Just pulling the leg- and no residual malice.
 
Raji Ram said:
Dear Renu,

Now a days, some NB's way of life is purer than some of the brahmin's way of life!

So, can the brahmins, who are ONLY born brahmins, listen to these chanting? :confused:

The solution in the OP seems to be easier to make one a qualified brahmin. :thumb:
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Dear RR ji,

I dont think all these some NBs leading lives purer than a Brahmin actually makes a difference.

To find out if all these really matter is very simple...Just let an intercaste marriage happen and watch hell break loose.

That time mantras wont be chanted!LOL
 
renuka said:
Dear RR ji,

I dont think all these some NBs leading lives purer than a Brahmin actually makes a difference.

To find out if all these really matter is very simple...Just let an intercaste marriage happen and watch hell break loose.

That time mantras wont be chanted!LOL
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This is what is called " ஆனைக்கு அர்ரம் என்றால் குதிரைக்கு குர்ரம்" logic.

Mantras, Hinduism etc are about spiritual.

Marriage is about mixing genes and so is physical.

Again the gene theory. LOL.
 
J J Ji! Carrots seem to be banned from this thread! :D

A note in RED says, 'Please do not inline Project Gutenberg images'!! :nono:
 
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