Reservation for Brahmins

[sangom]

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If Daliths were not discriminated during colonial period and they had fair chance of education, they do not have any case for Reservation.

I have been under the impression that dalits (whom Gandhiji referred to as harijans) were at the bottom-most level of the hindu social structure and that even today most of them are in a very poor state. Is this wrong?

With Caste Census over Reservation, Daliths are going to be fixed now by BC, MBC and OBC lobby. Daliths have no other place to go then Brahmins. This combination will be deadly against pseudo secularism.

It will be decided by the numbers, primarily, and by might next; wherever dalits are more they will assert and this will create conflict between dalits and MBCs, but others may not participate because they do not have anything to gain by either side winning.

 

[happyhindu]

If Daliths were not discriminated during colonial period and they had fair chance of education, they do not have any case for Reservation. One need not visit any history prior to that for inventing reasons. Why did not EVR Periyar got himself educated? He was not a Dalith? His family was closely connected with temples and therefore he could have had Vedic education only if he has chosen to have one. His family is a rich family and he could have definitely completed even Barrister education that poor Dr.Ambethkar managed to get.

How wud i know why EVR did not get himself educated? And that too specifically as a barrister? And what on earth does the reservation issue have to do with EVR's own education ? Ofcourse dalits were discriminated against (wrt caste) during colonial period as well..

Even if EVR had sought, dunno if any brahmin wud have taught him a wee bit of vedas. Do you know of non-brahmins who were taught vedas by a brahmin during EVR's time in tamilnadu ?

With Caste Census over Reservation, Daliths are going to be fixed now by BC, MBC and OBC lobby. Daliths have no other place to go then Brahmins. This combination will be deadly against pseudo secularism.

Well, for all its warts, someone commented that DK in Tamilnadu has done for dalits what even Mayawati in UP has not done for dalits. So you see, each one has their own POV.

Regards.

 

[RKB]

How can those with real work skill be at bottom most level? They were always at the better level then Brahmins. Gandhiji did not even bothered about Brahmans for he had dislike for them.

Whether things gets decided by the number are the number getting decided by things has to be seen. Others including Brahmins can participate intelligently to gain advantage.

I have been under the impression that dalits (whom Gandhiji referred to as harijans) were at the bottom-most level of the hindu social structure and that even today most of them are in a very poor state. Is this wrong?

It will be decided by the numbers, primarily, and by might next; wherever dalits are more they will assert and this will create conflict between dalits and MBCs, but others may not participate because they do not have anything to gain by either side winning.

 

[RKB]

EVR was happy even without education for good revenue came from temple to their family. When orthodoxy opposed it, he started opposing orthodoxy. Therefore education was not denied to any community in our society. Only some communities did not saw anything worth in the Education that was offered. I am now happy that you have also come to colonial discussion like Senthil. When better sense prevail everyone will see the right
POV.

How wud i know why EVR did not get himself educated? And that too specifically as a barrister? And what on earth does the reservation issue have to do with EVR's own education ? Ofcourse dalits were discriminated against (wrt caste) during colonial period as well..

Even if EVR had sought, dunno if any brahmin wud have taught him a wee bit of vedas. Do you know of non-brahmins who were taught vedas by a brahmin during EVR's time in tamilnadu ?



Well, for all its warts, someone commented that DK in Tamilnadu has done for dalits what even Mayawati in UP has not done for dalits. So you see, each one has their own POV.

Regards.

 

[happyhindu]

harini,

not all brahmins from other states are like us.

in gujarat the forward communities are baniyas & jains. the brahmins have not taken to education like us. particularly english language education. they are pretty low on the poverty scale.

not surprisingly, there is no anti brahmin attitude there. even tamil brahmins are welcomed to do clerk jobs at the gujju industries.

am not sure if social standing due to wealth factor resulted in anti-community feelings...

if wealth were the reason, then by now there shd have been an ani-baniya or anti-jain movement in gujarat

(but btw i think the gujarathis are far too egalatarian to indulge in any form of anti-community feeling irrespective of which community it is....)..

imo, anti-brahmanism happened bcoz brahmins in some parts of india (including some places in north-india) became self-serving idealogues...

even in this time-period, when i read comments by Shri RVR, and now when i read some comments by RKB and Harini, only one word comes to my mind (as the most potent reason why anti-brahmanism might have come about) -- hypocricy.

and really cud not help smiling reg some posts on the corporate culture thread on the ideas of varna based on genetics....if i remember right i think one poster (vijisesh?) had previously (long back) mentioned / felt that even wisdom is inherited....

i suppose some folks want to say that "only brahmins" inherit intelligence, wisdom, everything, because of "varna-genetics"...wonder how much more absurd some ideas cud get...

regards..

 

[KRS]

Dear Sri RKB Ji,

You have said "How can those with real work skill be at bottom most level? They were always at the better level then Brahmins. Gandhiji did not even bothered about Brahmans for he had dislike for them."

'Those' you are talking about were/are paid pittance (generally) in India. But more importantly, they were and in many cases even today are not seen as part of the Hindu society (e.g., they were not allowed in to temples).

Your statement about Gandhi Ji not liking the Brahmins is surprising! Can you refer me to something that would substantiate this.

I am opposed to any quota for anyone. But that does not mean that the Dalits in India deserve no special hand. Arguing that they are better off than Brahmins, while discarding the centuries of advantage that the Brahmins had in terms of picking up today's intellectual / professional education and thus being able to have successful lives can not be substantiated.

In fact I think it is downright cruel to equate Dalits to Brahmins, let alone to ALL other Jathis.

Regards,
KRS

 

[happyhindu]

EVR was happy even without education for good revenue came from temple to their family. When orthodoxy opposed it, he started opposing orthodoxy. Therefore education was not denied to any community in our society. Only some communities did not saw anything worth in the Education that was offered. I am now happy that you have also come to colonial discussion like Senthil. When better sense prevail everyone will see the right
POV.

Shri RKB,

First, i do not know if EVR was "happy even without education".

Second, i do not know if EVR's family got good revenue from temples.

Third, i do not know if EVR was happy without an education "because" he got good revenue from temples.

Fourth, i do not know if orthodoxy opposed his family's revenue from temples.

Fifth, i am sure that EVR did not start opposing orthodoxy for such reasons (from #1 to # 4). He started opposing orthodoxy after the ill-treatment he received at Kashi (personal vengeful-ness). And it did not help that brahmins in tamilnadu were claiming to be aryans. This led to EVR's mind conjuring up the idea that brahmins of Kashi and brahmins of Tamilnadu were the same set of people.

Sixth, i do not know if education was denied to others -- from colonial records i only know that education was sought to be denied to non-brahmins in our society. So, to me, in some places, education must have been denied to others in the past and what we saw in colonial times must have only been a continuation from the past...

Seventh, it is not right to say that "Only some communities did not saw anything worth in the Education that was offered". Whoever got a chance to specialise in any vedic shakha in the medieval past, did so (dunno if the learning was obtained "legally" though). And whoever got a chance to get a secular education in british india, did so too...

Eight, Am not interested in british-bashing alone while glossing over the roles of our own people or turning a blind eye to the shastras like senthil.

Ninth, am not sure if better sense will ever prevail. Each of us has our own sensibilites.

To me, there are no wrongs really. There are only different types of rights. Everyone is right, no matter how crass somethings might look like to the other. Which way things will go, only time can tell...

Regards.

 

[RKB]

Seen the movie "Madarassapattinam". The hero in fact amassed wealth in Colonial period. In any business the payment can be extracted if you are in a position to dictate terms of payment. The whole country of India finds it difficult to dictate with countries like USA. We get only pittance. Still we display pride and show ourself at the top. This movie shows Daliths at the top and that is what is the truth.

Just give proof as to where Gandhiji has really bothered about Brahmans? I am not equating Daliths to Brahmins for I feel Brahmins need very special hand.

Dear Sri RKB Ji,

You have said "How can those with real work skill be at bottom most level? They were always at the better level then Brahmins. Gandhiji did not even bothered about Brahmans for he had dislike for them."

'Those' you are talking about were/are paid pittance (generally) in India. But more importantly, they were and in many cases even today are not seen as part of the Hindu society (e.g., they were not allowed in to temples).

Your statement about Gandhi Ji not liking the Brahmins is surprising! Can you refer me to something that would substantiate this.

I am opposed to any quota for anyone. But that does not mean that the Dalits in India deserve no special hand. Arguing that they are better off than Brahmins, while discarding the centuries of advantage that the Brahmins had in terms of picking up today's intellectual / professional education and thus being able to have successful lives can not be substantiated.

In fact I think it is downright cruel to equate Dalits to Brahmins, let alone to ALL other Jathis.

Regards,
KRS

 

[RKB]

From 'one' to 'four' and sixth--all others know.
Fifth -- Many are sure
Seventh -- You are right. Majority of Brahmins also thus remained uneducated. Therefore it is wrong to say Brahmins enjoyed education.
Eighth -- You will like to see only 'Brahmin Bashing' in this forum. I know that you yourself will do Government bashing to British bashing in some other forums. No issue on that.
Nineth-- We are sure. We believe that our prayer will get the time to listen to us and will keep us sane.

Shri RKB,

First, i do not know
Second, i do not know
Third, i do not know
Fourth, i do not know
Fifth, i am sure
Sixth, i do not know

Seventh, it is not right to say that "Only some communities did not saw anything worth in the Education that was offered". Whoever got a chance to specialise in any vedic shakha in the medieval past, did so (dunno if the learning was obtained "legally" though). And whoever got a chance to get a secular education in british india, did so too...

Eight, Am not interested in british-bashing alone while glossing over the roles of our own people or turning a blind eye to the shastras like senthil.

Ninth, am not sure

To me, there are no wrongs really. There are only different types of rights. Everyone is right, no matter how crass somethings might look like to the other. Which way things will go, only time can tell...

Regards.

 

[Brahmanyan]

"

Your statement about Gandhi Ji not liking the Brahmins is surprising! Can you refer me to something that would substantiate this.

I am opposed to any quota for anyone. But that does not mean that the Dalits in India deserve no special hand. Arguing that they are better off than Brahmins, while discarding the centuries of advantage that the Brahmins had in terms of picking up today's intellectual / professional education and thus being able to have successful lives can not be substantiated.

In fact I think it is downright cruel to equate Dalits to Brahmins, let alone to ALL other Jathis."

Dear Sri KRS,

I fully agree with your views. Quota and Reservation are an anachronism in a functional democracy. It takes away the Constitutional guarantee of "equality of status and of opportunity" declared in the preamble. When there are so many avenues available for the Governments to uplift the Socially, educationally and economically downtrodden they have resorted to Caste based reservation in Jobs and Education, for the sake of vote bank politics.

Mr.S.S.Gill former Secretary of "Mandal Commission" has given a brief account of other important recommendations given in the "Commission's Report" which were ignored by various Governments, in his Article in Indian Express posted on April 13,2006, under the caption:
What the Mandal Commission wanted

Warm Regards,
Brahmanyan,
Bangalore.

 

[happyhindu]

From 'one' to 'four' and sixth--all others know.

Am not sure why you think EVR was a happy man. Do you think a man who spent all his lifetime hating, was a happy man in any case?

Fifth -- Many are sure

Methinks everyone is sure. It certainly is a case of personal anger due to caste-based ill-treatment meted out to EVR in Kashi.

Seventh -- You are right. Majority of Brahmins also thus remained uneducated. Therefore it is wrong to say Brahmins enjoyed education.

Nope. You did not understand correctly. I ask you again - do you know of brahmins teaching vedas to non-brahmins during EVR's time?

Eighth -- You will like to see only 'Brahmin Bashing' in this forum. I know that you yourself will do Government bashing to British bashing in some other forums. No issue on that.

No sir, me not interested in brahmin-bashing...somewhere inside my mind am thinking that my posts on this forum may help brahmins realise the reasons why anti-brahmanism came about.

I thot this anti-brahmanism can be fixed with a few proactive steps taken by the orthodoxy. But alas i realise that the orthodoxy lives in a surreal unreal world of their own, from which they cannot create a connection even with other brahmins, let alone all hindus.

Reg government-bashing and british-bashing i seem to dislike every single politician in india for some reason or the other. And the colonialists were more of robbers and looters than anything else. However, they cannot be blamed for all our ills -- they were just ace exploiters.

Nineth-- We are sure. We believe that our prayer will get the time to listen to us and will keep us sane.

The world is not homogenous Shri RKB. And i suppose it depends on each one's perspective.

Regards.

 

[sangom]

(but btw i think the gujarathis are far too egalatarian to indulge in any form of anti-community feeling irrespective of which community it is....)..

HappyHindu,

From my two years' experience in Gujarat, the people there value money and have their undivided attention on that one thing. In so far as anything will help them to make more money, they are prepared to overlook every other point that might come in the way. The only aspect which weighs somewhat heavily, even overriding the above statement, is the distrust between Hindus and Muslims; this I found in UP as well and it seems to be an indelible mark left by centuries of persecution under the Moghuls and the earlier Islamic reigns. (I wonder whether some of our members, who hold the view that present day brahmins should not be punished for their ancestors' sins, will be ready to side with the Muslims on this issue!) The most strange aspect is that the dalits - many of whom got converted to Islam by force, or by consent, in the past - also share this mistrust.

Hence Gujaratis will not make an issue unless it means loss of money/wealth, and they are the shrewdest business people I have seen.

There was a 3-star hotel just adjacent to my office, on the main road. Its business was mostly on office days with the office crowds. Then a panwalla started doing his business with a small desk-like thing on the footpath in front of this hotel. The pan seems to have been a great attraction and a lot of families started frequenting the hotel for their dinner and a pan thereafter. Immediately, the hotel owner made provision for a grand pan-cum-cooldrinks-cum-ice cream stall outside in his own compound and helped the panwallah with some working capital. Both the hotel and the panwallah prospered.

In another instance, I was on my scooter at the traffic lights in a very busy junction of 5 roads and another scooter came and hit a brand-new looking Mercedez Benz car in front. It caused a small dent above the rear guard of the car. I was expecting a rather bitter argument between the owner of the car and the scooterist with police being called in eventually (this is what would happen in Kerala) and told so to my colleague who was in another scooter by my side. But he said, "Sir, you are mistaken. Nothing would happen because the Sethji who is in the car would not waste even a minute because for him every minute means money at the stock exchange and he would not have to spend even 0.1 percent of that money in getting the dent repaired." And it happened exactly as my friend said!!

 

[kunjuppu]

Seen the movie "Madarassapattinam". The hero in fact amassed wealth in Colonial period. In any business the payment can be extracted if you are in a position to dictate terms of payment. The whole country of India finds it difficult to dictate with countries like USA. We get only pittance. Still we display pride and show ourself at the top. This movie shows Daliths at the top and that is what is the truth.

Just give proof as to where Gandhiji has really bothered about Brahmans? I am not equating Daliths to Brahmins for I feel Brahmins need very special hand.

rkb,

madrassapattanam is only a movie, a figment of the story writer's imagination, albeit a good imagination. good movie too, as i saw it.

the hero parithi, did not make his money in colonial india. he made it in free india. the movie does not say how he did it, but only kept the promise that duraiamma made to the washerman community. faithful to her he did not marry anyone

remember, at the end of the movie, aug 15, 1947, parithi is still a washerman

the movie does not show parithi in his later years. maybe he was a corrupt politician too, having learned a lesson or two from othe british.

it is to be noted that the british came to india, to trade, then conquer, then plunder. the welfare of india was not foremost in their mind, but they did positive infrastructure and nation build of which we are the inheritors. we cannot and should not question the motivation for this, for if we did, we should shun it - ie the concept of indian union itself - unknown till the british raj.

the sad fact, is that our politicians, come to power with promises of welfare, which are not delivered. consistently, since the first congress government. anywhere in india.

 

[RKB]

Sir, poet Subramaniya Bharathi taught vedas to non brahmins. Personally I know many but they are not popular people for you to recollect. The NBs who learned even recited it in temples and in their houses. But many of them stopped after they had difference of opinion about it. The truth is that NBs feel vedas are against their interest.

As a converse to it, Brahmins also learned holy tamil hymns from NBs. They also used this in temples but later were prevented by NBs. But Brahmins made no issue about it. Recently in Chidambaram a case was made by NBs for reciting Thevaram when actually the Deekshithars were using the same Thevaram for daily rituals.

Anti Brahminism will go the moment the Brahmins make a strong case for Reservation for them. Many other communities will support us only if we sincerely make effort. Else anti brahminism will perpetuate for today all see brahmins as convenient scape goat. We should learn to assert our self respect here then running off to a safer havens in foreign land.

No sir, me not interested in brahmin-bashing...somewhere inside my mind am thinking that my posts on this forum may help brahmins realise the reasons why anti-brahmanism came about.

I thot this anti-brahmanism can be fixed with a few proactive steps taken by the orthodoxy. But alas i realise that the orthodoxy lives in a surreal unreal world of their own, from which they cannot create a connection even with other brahmins, let alone all hindus.

Reg government-bashing and british-bashing i seem to dislike every single politician in india for some reason or the other. And the colonialists were more of robbers and looters than anything else. However, they cannot be blamed for all our ills -- they were just ace exploiters.

The world is not homogenous Shri RKB. And i suppose it depends on each one's perspective.

Regards.

 

[Ganamukundhapriya]

Without any Mandal Commission report Mr.Kapil Sibal has made reservation for Foreign students at IITs and IIMs. Probably the reason is that India discriminated foreigners and mercilessly fought against their establishments all throughout its history!

Unfortunately none seems to have reacted to this announcement!!

"

Dear Sri KRS,

I fully agree with your views. Quota and Reservation are an anachronism in a functional democracy. It takes away the Constitutional guarantee of "equality of status and of opportunity" declared in the preamble. When there are so many avenues available for the Governments to uplift the Socially, educationally and economically downtrodden they have resorted to Caste based reservation in Jobs and Education, for the sake of vote bank politics.

Mr.S.S.Gill former Secretary of "Mandal Commission" has given a brief account of other important recommendations given in the "Commission's Report" which were ignored by various Governments, in his Article in Indian Express posted on April 13,2006, under the caption:
What the Mandal Commission wanted

Warm Regards,
Brahmanyan,
Bangalore.

 

[sangom]

Without any Mandal Commission report Mr.Kapil Sibal has made reservation for Foreign students at IITs and IIMs. Probably the reason is that India discriminated foreigners and mercilessly fought against their establishments all throughout its history!

Unfortunately none seems to have reacted to this announcement!!

"

Shri Ganamukundhapriya,

A google search did not give anything about such reservation. Can you cite your source?

I understand that the prestige of IITs and some of the IIMs have gone down in recent years and those who can afford are joining other private institutions in India or are joining foreign universities if they can afford it. In such circumstances, what is wrong if some seats are reserved for foreign students (may be NRIs or POIs also)? India will earn some foreign exchange that way, will it not?

 

[KRS]

Dear Sri RKB Ji,
Since you seem to be confused between real life and the movie life, as well as using a negative to prove a positive in Mahatma's case, what more can I say?

God bless.

Regards,
KRS

Seen the movie "Madarassapattinam". The hero in fact amassed wealth in Colonial period. In any business the payment can be extracted if you are in a position to dictate terms of payment. The whole country of India finds it difficult to dictate with countries like USA. We get only pittance. Still we display pride and show ourself at the top. This movie shows Daliths at the top and that is what is the truth.

Just give proof as to where Gandhiji has really bothered about Brahmans? I am not equating Daliths to Brahmins for I feel Brahmins need very special hand.

 

[KRS]

Dear Sri Brahmanyan Sir,
A very interesting article - thank you.

When any government undertakes any effort in the name of uplifting a segment of the society, I can almost guarantee that the opposite result will happen, as is the case in India. Unfortunately, the most affected folks in this are the same folks that the system purports to help.

Regards,
KRS

"

Dear Sri KRS,

I fully agree with your views. Quota and Reservation are an anachronism in a functional democracy. It takes away the Constitutional guarantee of "equality of status and of opportunity" declared in the preamble. When there are so many avenues available for the Governments to uplift the Socially, educationally and economically downtrodden they have resorted to Caste based reservation in Jobs and Education, for the sake of vote bank politics.

Mr.S.S.Gill former Secretary of "Mandal Commission" has given a brief account of other important recommendations given in the "Commission's Report" which were ignored by various Governments, in his Article in Indian Express posted on April 13,2006, under the caption:
What the Mandal Commission wanted

Warm Regards,
Brahmanyan,
Bangalore.

 

[KRS]

Dear Ganamukundhapriya Ji,
As Sri sangom Ji mentioned, I can not see any evidence of this.

However, why do you think that admitting foreign students at Indian schools is an issue? In these times of globalization/interaction, I would think that it is a plus. From time immemorial, we have always welcomed foreign students, from Afghanistan to China to African countries and now some western countries. This is how new ideas are generated and countries become friends. Let us not be xenophobic.

Regards,
KRS

Without any Mandal Commission report Mr.Kapil Sibal has made reservation for Foreign students at IITs and IIMs. Probably the reason is that India discriminated foreigners and mercilessly fought against their establishments all throughout its history!

Unfortunately none seems to have reacted to this announcement!!

"

 

[suresoo]

When any government undertakes any effort in the name of uplifting a segment of the society, I can almost guarantee that the opposite result will happen, as is the case in India. Unfortunately, the most affected folks in this are the same folks that the system purports to help.

The "Mid-day Meal Scheme" is Government initiated and has reasonable success, Yes i understand there are scams and corruption in the system. But the scheme has put needy kids in school rather than on child labor.

In a poor country like India, Government Schemes is the last line of defense for a number of families. What may be needed is more transparency and accountability.....

thanks,

 

[suresoo]

I understand that the prestige of IITs and some of the IIMs have gone down in recent years and those who can afford are joining other private institutions in India or are joining foreign universities if they can afford it. In such circumstances, what is wrong if some seats are reserved for foreign students (may be NRIs or POIs also)? India will earn some foreign exchange that way, will it not?

I guess the question is, In a country with limited resources what is the best way to use those resources to uplift society
1) Reserve seats to NRI/POI and pocket some foreign exchange
2) Create a citizen Engineer and hope he stays back and contributes to the society....

thanks,

 

[Nara]

I guess the question is, In a country with limited resources what is the best way to use those resources to uplift society

There is another imperative also, one of benefiting from a diverse student body. For long the universities in the western countries have reaped this benefit. One of India's unique competitive advantages is to offer low-cost, high-quality education in the international market place. As the high-value human endeavors turn to knowledge-based tasks, a vibrant university system with international appeal is an asset far beyond mere rupees and paise.

Cheers!

 

[KRS]

Dear Sri suresoo Ji,
Yes, this scheme is now quite successful especially after the SC ruling. I think this growing success is reflected in the fact that many private corporations are donating large amounts to this.

As I have said before, the government should focus on early education to uplift the disadvantaged. This scheme is a part of that to level the playing field.

But, alas, this is but an exception. Even here, several scams to divert the aid have been unearthed.

Regards,
KRS

The "Mid-day Meal Scheme" is Government initiated and has reasonable success, Yes i understand there are scams and corruption in the system. But the scheme has put needy kids in school rather than on child labor.

In a poor country like India, Government Schemes is the last line of defense for a number of families. What may be needed is more transparency and accountability.....

thanks,

 

[suresoo]

There is another imperative also, one of benefiting from a diverse student body. For long the universities in the western countries have reaped this benefit. One of India's unique competitive advantages is to offer low-cost, high-quality education in the international market place. As the high-value human endeavors turn to knowledge-based tasks, a vibrant university system with international appeal is an asset far beyond mere rupees and paise.
Cheers!

Dear Nara Ji,
I understand the advantages of building vibrant university system.
But how does having diverse student body help Indian Society? when most of these students would go back after getting educated.
I guess IITs/IIMs already have diverse body with students from all parts of country!!

thanks,

 

[happyhindu]

Sir, poet Subramaniya Bharathi taught vedas to non brahmins. Personally I know many but they are not popular people for you to recollect. The NBs who learned even recited it in temples and in their houses. But many of them stopped after they had difference of opinion about it. The truth is that NBs feel vedas are against their interest.

Were these non-brahmins converted into brahmins? Were they allowed to function as purohits? Please let me know. Please do not assume i am looking for popular names (bcoz am not).

No sir, you are greatly mistaken that "NBs feel vedas are against their interests".

Please think of an average dalit who cannot understand the diff b/w a moderate-brahmin and an orthodox-brahmin.

During british times, the dalits saw brahmins getting themselves a secular (english) education and working in british offices.

However, he hears that 'brahmins want all hindus to follow their own traditional occupation only'.

So in his mind will he not feel deceived? He will think how come brahmins can work under the britsh, but brahmins are telling that we must follow the professions of our ancestors.

Do you think a simple mind on the streets can understand the difference b/w the moderate-brahmin and the orthodoxy? Ofcourse not. To them brahmins means one group. So such dalits will only think brahmins are practicing hypocricy.

Nobody is against the vedas sir. Even the DK has realised that going against hindu beleifs will not help create a popular image for themselves.

What these ppl really want is inclusivism. They too want to be a part of the religion as equals, not as outcastes.

No man likes to be told he is inferior in his spirit (spiritual-basis).

As a converse to it, Brahmins also learned holy tamil hymns from NBs. They also used this in temples but later were prevented by NBs. But Brahmins made no issue about it. Recently in Chidambaram a case was made by NBs for reciting Thevaram when actually the Deekshithars were using the same Thevaram for daily rituals.

Shri Nara has started a wonderful thread on Swami Nammalvar. Please read it. Dunno why you say brahmins learned holy hyms from NBs when some brahmins composed tamil hyms themselves.

Anti Brahminism will go the moment the Brahmins make a strong case for Reservation for them. Many other communities will support us only if we sincerely make effort. Else anti brahminism will perpetuate for today all see brahmins as convenient scape goat. We should learn to assert our self respect here then running off to a safer havens in foreign land.

i duuno what will be the public opinion sir...but am thinking if brahmins seek reservations, then dalits will surely oppose it...

imo, unless some proactive steps are taken to make some small changes within hinduism for true lokakshemam, until then the dalit anger against certain ideologies will remain i suppose...

regards.