Reservation for Brahmins

[R. Ramanujan]

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I don't think it will be rite for us being hindus and constituting 80 per of India to be demanding reservation. In fact reservation are like crutches. It will be a stumbling block in our development. If we get a thali with delicious food without any effort who will work hard. It will destroy our work culture in the long run. We would be better off going the hard way.

 

[RKB]

There is argument posted here that there is nothing as Hindu or Hinduism. Please go through the previous posting and consolidate your opinion.

How do you say that Reservation will bring an end to hard work? Do you mean that those enjoying reservation are not working hard?

It cannot be. If you are a hard worker, that is not even sufficient to get a reservation. Sustaining it is even more difficult.

Reservation is now the culture in India. We cannot be different.

I don't think it will be rite for us being hindus and constituting 80 per of India to be demanding reservation. In fact reservation are like crutches. It will be a stumbling block in our development. If we get a thali with delicious food without any effort who will work hard. It will destroy our work culture in the long run. We would be better off going the hard way.

 

[Raghy]

Sri.Ganamukundapriya said -

Tamilnadu is step ahead and the Government here has passed GO for inducting Daliths who have passed purohith exams. But this is not the way to prove the point. Dr.B.R.Ambethkar did not opted this path. But Nandanar opted this path and got success.

Sir, Greetings. I don't think Nandanar wanted to become a purohit in a temple. All he wanted was an entry in a temple to have a darshan.

Sri.Ganamukundapriya said -

Just identify the handful of the Daliths who are interested. I will make my first donation to build a temple for their purpose. Let them maintain it as per Ahama Saastra or by own method just like the [COLOR=#DA7911 ! important][COLOR=#DA7911 ! important]Jains[/COLOR][/COLOR]
do. God will definitely reside at their place if they are sincere. People will flock to the place where the God is.....

Sow.Happy Hindu replied -

If only brahmanical institutions had done the same thing before independece, anti-brahmanism wud not have been born in the first place..there wud be no EVR, no DMK, and no waste of 60 years of independece in useless caste issues. We cud have even caught up with China wrt development.

On my part, am not inclined to think the dalits are out to prove something. If that be the yardstick, then it is rather apparent what the orthodoxy was trying to prove all this while.

Anyways, whatever you say abt Nandanar, building temples, etc as your views are all nice to listen now. But the dalits do not need it.

Sow.Sri.Happy Hindu and respectable Sir,

Such temples were built in the later part of 19th century. Sree Narayana Guru, the social reformer in Kerala built temples maintained by lower castes and untouchables. He built schools where the lower castes and untouchables learned Sanskrit. Today they are not small temples either. He built Siva temples in Trissur, Kannur, Anjuthengu, Tellicherry, Calicut and Mangalore. After witnessing the plight of untouchables and lower castes at Vaikom, he built a temple for everyone. It was known as 'Aruvippuram Sivan Temple'.

YouTube - Malayalam movie YUGAPURUSHAN - 3 Vijay,Mammootty,Kalabhavan mani, Navya nair (2010)

You may read more about Sree Narayana Guru and watch the movie here......

http://www.tamilbrahmins.com/sociol...ru-humanist-yugapurushan-movie-malayalam.html

(Although the movie is in Malayalam, since it does not contain long dialogues, since the actors talk very slowly (except Mammooty - Mammotty is his own self as usual!), it was not very hard to understand).

Cheers!

 

[RKB]

Sir, I have very high regard for Gandhiji. He belongs to my generation. But what I say is a fact. From his autobiography it is possible to infer that he had high esteem for British empire and valued being loyal to it. You can also infer that he indulged in child labour. But these things he says are his experiment with truth. The truth again is that he did not do any experiment regards to Brahmins. What is negative about it. One Gandhi cannot do all the experiment for this world.

Gandhijis thrust is that all people are good. I also believe it and say that our ancestors also are good. Our culture feared committing sin. But what is 'sin' is subjective and therefore one should dislike only the 'sin' and should not dislike people as 'sinners'. I think Gandhiji also has said this.

Brahmins particularly have not done anything to repent in the history. The positive approach today will be to find way to move forward demanding reservation. I am very clear on this.

Negative is to say that the Reservation has to be abolished for all. Foolish to say that Brahmins alone will survive without reservation.

Dear Sri RKB Ji,
Since you seem to be confused between real life and the movie life, as well as using a negative to prove a positive in Mahatma's case, what more can I say?

God bless.

Regards,
KRS

 

[R. Ramanujan]

RKB SIR JI, one of my non brah frnds who was very good in studies name karthi in srirangam. he did b.com from st. joseph his father died of over alchoholism while in Govt job. The TN govt gave him job on symphathatic terms. I asked him that he is talented in studies but he decided against it. And the custom has been everywhere to give religious minorities the reservation and not the other way round. Trust me sir within 20 yrs(given that we are granted reser which is highly unlikely) we will stop working hard. When we are guaranteed a job after we finish degree then who will earn it. Now i agree its nearly imp for brah community to get govt jobs but who is dominating the pvt sector and entreprenural sector. (Infosys,Kirloskar,TVS,India cements etc). Who is there in abroad. Majority of diaspora are christians and brahs.

With Regards.

 

[RKB]

Your reasonings are difficult to comprehend. Else you have a problem in understanding certain fundamentals. Your friend is 100% correct and only he will know as to what is correct for him. Government has a responsibility to guarantee livelihood for all. To some it offer guarantee in the form of jobs. Such guarantee has to be given to Brahmins also. Those in Government services also are very hard workers. Many in my family are in government services. Some of them work for US and Australian Governments. If you are sufficiently hard working, you can also get in to Government job.

RKB SIR JI, one of my non brah frnds who was very good in studies name karthi in srirangam. he did b.com from st. joseph his father died of over alchoholism while in Govt job. The TN govt gave him job on symphathatic terms. I asked him that he is talented in studies but he decided against it. And the custom has been everywhere to give religious minorities the reservation and not the other way round. Trust me sir within 20 yrs(given that we are granted reser which is highly unlikely) we will stop working hard. When we are guaranteed a job after we finish degree then who will earn it. Now i agree its nearly imp for brah community to get govt jobs but who is dominating the pvt sector and entreprenural sector. (Infosys,Kirloskar,TVS,India cements etc). Who is there in abroad. Majority of diaspora are christians and brahs.

With Regards.

 

[RKB]

Nandanar is a chosen one. Entry in to the temple is only a symbolic gesture of the God to Nandanar. God bestowed with him the devotion. By his hymns he has earned position in the heart of the God. Now all the Purohits do pooja to Nandanars. God doesn't discriminate and mortals cannot do anything against God's wish.

I don't think Nandanar wanted to become a purohit in a temple. All he wanted was an entry in a temple to have a darshan.

 

[RKB]

I don't understand as to why Dr.Jayalalitha say that this Minority DMK government has not earned sufficient popularity? Therefore I think there is still scope for believing that DMK will be keen to improve its popularity by offering Reservation to Purohits and offering Purohit jobs to Daliths.

The DMK government is popular exactly because it has been inducting dalits into purohitam training.

 

[happyhindu]

I don't understand as to why Dr.Jayalalitha say that this Minority DMK government has not earned sufficient popularity? Therefore I think there is still scope for believing that DMK will be keen to improve its popularity by offering Reservation to Purohits and offering Purohit jobs to Daliths.

After becoming purohits, they are not called 'dalits' anymore. Their varna changes and they are considered brahmin priests.

 

[sangom]

After becoming purohits, they are not called 'dalits' anymore. Their varna changes and they are considered brahmin priests.

HH,

Are you quite sure? In India the original caste label sticks even after coverting to another religion like Christianity or Islam; so it is very difficult to believe that the Dalit Purohits will be easily absorbed into the existing Purohit group. In Kerala an experiment was conducted some time ago and similar purohits from the lower castes (I am not sure whether those were Dalits, OBC/MBC, but surle they were NBs) and when they were posted as priests in some temples, people (from all castes/groups, may be including the dalits who might have been visitors) virtually stopped visiting those temples!! That experiment was then given up and AFAI can recollect those purohits were accommodated in the office/s of the Devaswom Board!

 

[happyhindu]

HH,

Are you quite sure? In India the original caste label sticks even after coverting to another religion like Christianity or Islam; so it is very difficult to believe that the Dalit Purohits will be easily absorbed into the existing Purohit group. In Kerala an experiment was conducted some time ago and similar purohits from the lower castes (I am not sure whether those were Dalits, OBC/MBC, but surle they were NBs) and when they were posted as priests in some temples, people (from all castes/groups, may be including the dalits who might have been visitors) virtually stopped visiting those temples!! That experiment was then given up and AFAI can recollect those purohits were accommodated in the office/s of the Devaswom Board!

Sir, am not sure (i mentioned only hearsay). Someone said those who are being trained as purohits will not be called dalits.

Lack of acceptance does tend to run deep sir. Your post reminds me of my mom and her lot.

But let us hope for the best that such prejudices will change in near future soon..atleast many folks in my generation are not like those of the previous generations..

 

[Raghy]

Nandanar is a chosen one. Entry in to the temple is only a symbolic gesture of the God to Nandanar. God bestowed with him the devotion. By his hymns he has earned position in the heart of the God. Now all the Purohits do pooja to Nandanars. God doesn't discriminate and mortals cannot do anything against God's wish.

Sri.RKB Sir,

Greetings. Whether we compose hymns or not, everyone of us is a chosen one for God just like Nandanar. God does not discriminate and most men/women do not discriminate either. Only persons with power and influence indulged in discriminatory practices. It was the case then (in the yester years), it is the case now. I sincerely believe the Government is forcing the barbaric caste based reservation system on the public. That system can not eradicate caste based differences amoung the public. That faulty system is used for the vested interests of powerful and influential persons; such system is applauded and praised by not only gullible illiterates but also by gullible academics.

We need to ask ourselves - Can a caste based reservation system eradicate caste system? Can anyone say a different answer other than 'No'? If the caste system is not eradicated, caste based discriminations can happen at anytime; caste based disputes can happen anytime.

Cheers!

 

[Iyer]

In my humble opinion, if your are strong in your conviction, if your faith in God is unshakeable and firm, if you have confidence in your strengths, potential and talents, you don't need to demand any reservation. Reservation is sought by those who are incapable of achieving anything on their own, is sought by those who are not intelligent enough, who need others to pull them up and push them up. Reservation is sought by the weak, the feeble, the fickle, who cannot stand on their own, who do not possess anything to stand on their own, who are lazy, who are lethargic, who do not want to work hard, who do not want the straightforward way to success, who want short cuts to success, who want a substitute for hardwork etc. Are not Brahmins capable of acheiving heights by their own!! Should we ever stoop down to fight for reservation. Sixty years have passed since independence, yet the lot of the so called backward has not improved. They themselves are to blame. Even if six hundred years of reservation is provided they will never progress.

 

[Raghy]

In my humble opinion, if your are strong in your conviction, if your faith in God is unshakeable and firm, if you have confidence in your strengths, potential and talents, you don't need to demand any reservation. Reservation is sought by those who are incapable of achieving anything on their own, is sought by those who are not intelligent enough, who need others to pull them up and push them up. Reservation is sought by the weak, the feeble, the fickle, who cannot stand on their own, who do not possess anything to stand on their own, who are lazy, who are lethargic, who do not want to work hard, who do not want the straightforward way to success, who want short cuts to success, who want a substitute for hardwork etc. Are not Brahmins capable of acheiving heights by their own!! Should we ever stoop down to fight for reservation. Sixty years have passed since independence, yet the lot of the so called backward has not improved. They themselves are to blame. Even if six hundred years of reservation is provided they will never progress.

Sri.Iyer Sir,

Greetings. This is a scalding post. Kindly allow me to disagree with your assertions, please. Personally I oppose the whole caste based reservation policy; but, poor and vulnerable do need support and helping hand to come up in life. The caste based reservation was thought to be the solution by some politicians who did not have a vision in the future; that's all. Kindly refrain from talking ill of the non-brahmins, please. It is nice to see a caste brahmin with somuch confidence; I humbly request you to channel such confidence to help others irrespective of their castes, please. Thanks.

Cheers!

 

[RKB]

That will be conversion at Caste level! Daliths should fight for legal acceptance of such possibilities. Else people will call them Krypto or Harijan to cheat them. Vedas permit such conversion but our Constitution doesn't recognizes it. Like Brahmins the Daliths are also are a community that do not know what to demand. Other communities offered Reservation to Daliths only to get similar advantages to them by a precedence.

After another 50 or 60 years the Daliths will be instigated to raise such issues. It will be told that majority of the Brahmins in the Constitution Drafting Committee were against Caste level conversion and so the Brahmins have done wrong to Daliths again.

After becoming purohits, they are not called 'dalits' anymore. Their varna changes and they are considered brahmin priests.

 

[RKB]

I am advocating Brahmins to demand Reservation and to pray to God for bestowing them the Reservation. I cannot pray for others and also I cannot go without praying thinking that some other will pray for me and others. So your humble opinion is wrong.

Only able and intelligent have achieved Reservation in India. Fools who assume that they can expect others to pray for them have failed even to realize its necessity.

Expert say that Reservation has not done much to SC or ST but has made magic with BCs. Extrapolation of this logic can only mean that Reservation can deliver boon to Brahmins.

In my humble opinion, if your are strong in your conviction, if your faith in God is unshakeable and firm, if you have confidence in your strengths, potential and talents, you don't need to demand any reservation. Reservation is sought by those who are incapable of achieving anything on their own, is sought by those who are not intelligent enough, who need others to pull them up and push them up. Reservation is sought by the weak, the feeble, the fickle, who cannot stand on their own, who do not possess anything to stand on their own, who are lazy, who are lethargic, who do not want to work hard, who do not want the straightforward way to success, who want short cuts to success, who want a substitute for hardwork etc. Are not Brahmins capable of acheiving heights by their own!! Should we ever stoop down to fight for reservation. Sixty years have passed since independence, yet the lot of the so called backward has not improved. They themselves are to blame. Even if six hundred years of reservation is provided they will never progress.

 

[RKB]

Though your intentions are holy, the things like Caste that divides mankind only will get multiplied with time. Utopian ideals can be discussed for academic analysis. But expecting them to happen is not pragmatic.

We need to ask ourselves - Can a caste based reservation system eradicate caste system? Can anyone say a different answer other than 'No'? If the caste system is not eradicated, caste based discriminations can happen at anytime; caste based disputes can happen anytime.

Cheers!

 

[kunjuppu]

Though your intentions are holy, the things like Caste that divides mankind only will get multiplied with time. Utopian ideals can be discussed for academic analysis. But expecting them to happen is not pragmatic.

rkb,

that is not true. you go out of india, particularly in the west, south africa, fiji, west indies - you will find hindus intermarrying each other based on likes and dislikes.

nobody cares a hoot about one's holdover caste in india.

if two cultures (punjabis, tamils) marry, then there is a blending of the cultures in public functions like weddings and namakarans. the only death ceremony i attended so far, was for a lady, a west indian hindu, who married an iyer. when she passed away, the rites were iyer rites.

so, pray tell me, why cannot minds change. india, it will come, i am hopeful. it won't be gradual, i assure you. all of a sudden, it will be an impasse, and casteism will come tumbling down like the berlin wall did.

just as a semi distraction, but more of a topical nature, i would like to bring to your attention, the fading of christianity in england. only in india, the pope gets respect. please read the article below, as to how 10,000 people demonstrated in london against the pope and papist religion. such is life.

Protest the Pope rally sees 10,000 march through London's streets | World news | guardian.co.uk

this does not mean, the english people, will next day embrace islam or hinduism. all it means, is that the majority of them are fed up with the corruption and false values of all organized religions.

but, at the same time, they value their culture. their churches, church music and church history are fondly looked upon and nourished. part of their history, though they have shorn the belief out of it now. i guess, in some vague way, MK feels the same when he visits the temples or the brihadeeswarar aalayam in thanjavur.

 

[Nara]

In my humble opinion, ...... Should we ever stoop down to fight for reservation. Sixty years have passed since independence, yet the lot of the so called backward has not improved. They themselves are to blame. Even if six hundred years of reservation is provided they will never progress.

It looks like Iyer's starting missive declaring his/her humility is nothing more than a rhetorical flurish. IMO, may not be very humble, if Brahmins are successful in securing reservation, and if they are restricted only to the reserved seats, then they will be worse off relative to where they are now.

Reservation is a policy for the uplift of those who have been kept under the boot for generations. Even if you think this is a flawed system, there is no denying that it has tremendously helped a section of the population that has been oppressed, suppressed, and exploited to the extent they sometimes can't even take advantage of the opportunities that are slowly being made available to them.

Scoring a few marks more than others in exams -- which itself is just an assertion, many NBs score higher then the Bs -- is not a mark of merit. Further, given scarce resources, the nation has to prioritize among many competing and pressing needs, some trade-offs are inevitable. Giving a little lift to otherwise qualified youngsters from oppressed sections is such a trade-off a liberal society has every right, if not obligation, to make.

Finally, opposition to reservation is a bogus issue. No TB with half-way decent marks in +2 has failed to make it. They may have to go through more hoops than a Dalit, more expense than an MBC, but with the cultural assets forcibly extracted from the Dalits over generations that they continue to unabashedly enjoy and benefit from, they do manage quite splendidly.

Cheers!

 

[Raghy]

Though your intentions are holy, the things like Caste that divides mankind only will get multiplied with time. Utopian ideals can be discussed for academic analysis. But expecting them to happen is not pragmatic.

Sri.RKB Sir,

Greetings. I am not an academic. None of my message is enriched with academic language or academic research; on the contrary, anyone can easily see for what it is, that is a non-academic message.

Although I hate to bring in examples from other countries, in this instance I think I should bring some examples. The socalled 'Utopian' ideals have been acheived in some European countries; in New Zealand......there are more countries, but the above examples are enough to bring in the drift. (Australia is on the road to acheive, but not quite there yet).

Maoris are the natives of New Zealand. The country was populated by Maories and other Polynesean Islanders before British set foot in Newzeland. Maories fought the British settlers, also converted to Christianity and ended up in inter-marriages with the British. Now, most of the families have some percentage of Maori mix. So, one may wonder what is so Utopian about that...
The following points are to be noticed-
1. There is a very little trace of discrimination. (New Zealanders, fondly known as Kiwis, happily intermarry with Indians too).
2. The status of living for all the families across the board have increased over the years.
3. Due to the absence of social unrests, the society can and does spend her resources and energy for the betterment of all her citizens (and permanent residents).
4. Most families are able to afford education for their children (Actually it does not cost to educate one's child. Whatever is the subsidised fees, the child can deffer payment of that fees; Government pays the fees on behalf of the child with a non-binding assurance that the child would repay the 'loan' when he/she gets a decent income).
5 Kiwis readily engage in assignments to help people in need in other countries.

I can think of more points. (Australia may have achieved all the above points and more; but still there is more to be done; so, I am not beating my chest in the case of Australia). All the above said advancements were achieved in just over 200 years.

Indians have the brain. I notice the cream of the crop comprised of Indians - professors, lecturers, doctors, surgeons, medical/surgical consultans, general practitioners, accountants, engineers.....and labourers! So, no one can convince me that Indians can not do it; I see them achieving a lot already. We have to take away our ego a little bit.

May be we should start practicing once a week 'no ego day'. Just for one day/week behave down to earth, treat everyone தோட்டி முதல் தொண்டைமான் வரை on equal footing.

Cheers!

 

[happyhindu]

That will be conversion at Caste level! Daliths should fight for legal acceptance of such possibilities. Else people will call them Krypto or Harijan to cheat them. Vedas permit such conversion but our Constitution doesn't recognizes it. Like Brahmins the Daliths are also are a community that do not know what to demand. Other communities offered Reservation to Daliths only to get similar advantages to them by a precedence.

After another 50 or 60 years the Daliths will be instigated to raise such issues. It will be told that majority of the Brahmins in the Constitution Drafting Committee were against Caste level conversion and so the Brahmins have done wrong to Daliths again.

So what if there is "conversion" at caste level? I do not call it a conversion. So it may be conversion to you, but not to others.

And please can you elaborate which "vedas" allow caste "conversion" as you have mentioned?

You have converted your occupation and you earn your living thru non-brahmanical means, but still you want to be called a brahmin. That sir, is not even conversion, it can be called hypocricy.

If you want to get reservations, are you willing to change your caste as per your current occupation?

One member here (Shri RVR) said he is proud to be a shudra. But apart from mere lip service, looks like, he does not want to change his caste as per his current occupation. If he goes to court to change caste (to be recognized as a shudra), i will definitely help him with relevant "proof". It is we (the people), who need to get the 'constitution' to take a second look at itself.

Regards.

 

[RKB]

I was made to understand that one can attain the Varna of his / her choice by choosing the way of life prescribed for it. I am not good at giving clear references. May be others will help you on this.

More than others you get converted on 'Conversion' often. Remember that it is only by law of this land most of us are Brahmins. Deep within us we are longing to live the life denied to us as Brahmins. Scriptures will not accept as Brahmins for our way of life. I suggested changing law and I am sure that it is a very progressive thought. If law brands all of us as NBs, then atleast some of us will try to mend our ways.

Will the Caste enumerator of the Census will be trained to ascertain one's caste by their profession? I will be a relieved man if that enumerator takes decision for me. Anyhow, if the enumerator recorded me as Brahmin, legally I am a Brahmin!

So what if there is "conversion" at caste level? I do not call it a conversion. So it may be conversion to you, but not to others.

And please can you elaborate which "vedas" allow caste "conversion" as you have mentioned?

You have converted your occupation and you earn your living thru non-brahmanical means, but still you want to be called a brahmin. That sir, is not even conversion, it can be called hypocricy.

Regards.

 

[happyhindu]

I was made to understand that one can attain the Varna of his / her choice by choosing the way of life prescribed for it. I am not good at giving clear references. May be others will help you on this.

If such be the case, then you should not have a problem with those who change their varna by opting for a particular occupation. It should be good for you that the population of brahmins is going to increase by such varna-changes.

More than others you get converted on 'Conversion' often. Remember that it is only by law of this land most of us are Brahmins. Deep within us we are longing to live the life denied to us as Brahmins. Scriptures will not accept as Brahmins for our way of life. I suggested changing law and I am sure that it is a very progressive thought. If law brands all of us as NBs, then atleast some of us will try to mend our ways.

Will the Caste enumerator of the Census will be trained to ascertain one's caste by their profession? I will be a relieved man if that enumerator takes decision for me. Anyhow, if the enumerator recorded me as Brahmin, legally I am a Brahmin!

Census is happening now. But forget census. You can certainly go to the court and fight for your rights to be classified as per your current occupation.

 

[Ganamukundhapriya]

There was an Editorial page article in yesterday's Hindu that accused Brahmins for the cause of Untouchability. One of my co Trustees immediately drafted the following letter to the Editor condemning the tone of the article for Brahmins. The Editor has not published the letter for today. But I think that this forum can be used for analyzing it.


[FONT=&quot]Respected sir,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The bold gesture of the Brahmins of the Karnataka in recent walkabout of Basavananda Maadara Channaiah Swamiji needs appreciation. Instead the article (page 12 on 20.09.2010) by ‘Untouchability – a sin and crime’ by Mr.M.S.Prabhakara mischievously portrays this as Brahmins atoning for their sin committed in the past. Not only in Karnataka, even in Tamilnadu, are the Brahmins being wrongly portrayed as the community that perpetrated untouchability. Right from leaders like E.V.Ramaswamy Naicker, rationalist leaders of this land find it convenient to scapegoat voiceless Brahmin community for the atrocities of the other powerful communities. In contrast it is the Brahmin communities who come out with bold gestures against such crimes such as this one that happened in Karnataka.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Historically Brahmins also were a community like Daliths bound to follow the social dictates of the other powerful communities. Therefore when the patrons of the temples expected the Brahmins to prevent Harijans from entering the temple, they simply enforced it. Even today they enforce such measures like preventing foreigners from entering the Moolasthanam in temples. Learned as the Brahmins traditionally are, they also documented such practices in the past. Now to blame Brahmins for everything saying that they wrote the text is mischievous. Brahmins never were a powerful community for they were neither rulers or a rich merchants all through their history. There is no evidence in the history to prove them as cunning.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Brahmins in South, particularly in Tamilnadu, are a beleaguered community now. They also deserve support from the rest, such as ‘Reservation and Quota’ for practicing with pride their duties. The real criminals and sinners for the evil of 'Untouchability' still remain untouchable to the iron hands. Therefore I request media, such as The Hindu, to refrain from such mudslinging on Brahmin community. Publishing this letter will help putting things in proper perspective.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Regards,[/FONT]
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(I think the English managed to eradicate this sin by removing it from the Dictionary!!)

 

[sangom]

rkb,

that is not true. you go out of india, particularly in the west, south africa, fiji, west indies - you will find hindus intermarrying each other based on likes and dislikes.

nobody cares a hoot about one's holdover caste in india.

if two cultures (punjabis, tamils) marry, then there is a blending of the cultures in public functions like weddings and namakarans. the only death ceremony i attended so far, was for a lady, a west indian hindu, who married an iyer. when she passed away, the rites were iyer rites.

so, pray tell me, why cannot minds change. india, it will come, i am hopeful. it won't be gradual, i assure you. all of a sudden, it will be an impasse, and casteism will come tumbling down like the berlin wall did.

Dear Kunjuppu,

I happened to meet an old college-mate (TB) of mine; he also lives in this city but we rarely meet or talk on phone. During his talk he poured out his anguish about his daughter having married a low-caste boy ; going by the intensity of his emotion, I asked him whether he and his daughter are still in talking terms to which he said yes. I then told him to forget all this dislike and accept the situation. I later came to know that the marriage had the consent of the girl's parents but they put on a guise in order that the orthodox people find them acceptable. This is the bane of our people in India. Once they go out, they do not have to satisfy the orthodoxy.

this does not mean, the english people, will next day embrace islam or hinduism. all it means, is that the majority of them are fed up with the corruption and false values of all organized religions.

Once the false values of (any) religion are removed, very little, if any, will remain except that we, the humans, do not know why we are here and what happens to us after death. Hence, IMO, if religions are kept at arm's length, the world will be a better place.