Ritual Purity and Men.

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So are we!

My WE was all inclusive. No gender discrimination. LOL

 

[krish44]

Dear Krish Sir,

We are deviating from the topic. But still I have to answer your Q. In our family circle, whenever the girl has to settle abroad

and has to wear jeans/ pants most of the time, there is a good idea! Two sets in the thAli, each of which usually weighs one

sovereign is made in half the weight to reduce the size. The girls wear the full set fixed to fancy smooth chains.

It depends on the individual to give sentimental importance to the thAli and not the country they live in! ​

Dear RRji
Do these ladies use different chain for keeping their husbands under their close control in a foreign land .lol

jokes apart , as girls parents we do not decide what their inlaws give the girl at the time of marriage nor impose our ideas on what to wear or not wear.

as conventional people[ you and Rji can laugh loudly . I am in conventional avathar] going for arranged marriage we keep a silence on some delicate issues

we hardly decide the signs on thaali or its size or weight . how much light weight it should be is not under our control .

again what the girl wears is her choice and we hardly speak about . let son inlaw handle the mess . He married my daughter fully knowing her background and his parents

preferences.

for me it is too minor an issue to give me sleepless nights

however I will convey your views to my daughter when I meet her next . it might get my son in law out of trouble from his parents

 

[krish44]

Ha Ha Ha!

The deviation of topic shows that somehow people love talking about women!LOL

I am yet to see the conservative males of Forum in this thread.

BTW the Thali is kept the safest in the bank locker.

Rji
I have taken a conservative avathar . see my post above,lol

 

[renuka]

again what the girl wears is her choice and we hardly speak about . let son inlaw handle the mess . He married my daughter fully knowing her background and his parents

preferences.

for me it is too minor an issue to give me sleepless nights

Exactly!

I remember once when I was attending a marriage of a close relative of my husband some nosy elderly woman from my husband's side was bugging my MIL why I(renu) was not with a Thali and where was the Thali?

My poor MIL she did not know what to say.

She had no choice but to ask me in front of the elder lady where was my Thali...saying that the elderly lady wanted to know.

So I turned around and told that elderly lady in a polite voice in Tamil that my Thali was in the bank locker!

That elderly lady kept quiet right away.

You see I had answered her question...all she asked is "where is your Thali"

So my answer was "Its in the bank locker"

She did not proceed to ask me why I was not wearing it..I think she did not want to know my answers!

Anyway she avoided me fully after that day. I have a feeling she was expecting me to feel embarrassed that I was being ticked off for not wearing my Thali..but instead I answered her cooly.

My lack of embarrassment must have made her change her mind and not ask me any more questions!

Once also a female patient asked me 'Doc why are you not wearing your Thali"

My answer was 'Why are you wearing yours?"

Then she kept quiet..I guess she was also expecting me to feel embarrassed!LOL

 

[tbs]

Dear RR ji,

I remember reading somewhere that the Yagnopavit should be hung over one of the ears while answering the call of nature.

I cant remember which ear..left or right.

Is that true?

Anyway I am still waiting for replies..the thread is still not very active despite the views.

hi

it should be in right ear....i used to do ...when i was in vedapatasala...not anymore....there are 2 reasons...

1 yagnopavit should not touch ground....

2 it works as sensory motor....when we put in right ear....it automatically come out....lol

 

[tbs]

Dear Renu,

TBS Sir knows the 'rules' but does not want to enter controversies! :lol:

I know a few rules for both genders in tambrams while doing poojAs:

1. Head bath is a must before doing any poojA.

2. 'madi' cloths - the cloths dried on some high clothesline and untouched before having bath are to be worn.

These cloths are handled with a long stick!

3. If there is a death in the family, poojAs are not to be performed for certain number of days.

The number of days differ, according to the relationship with the dead person.

4. One should not hold back #1 or #2 while doing poojA. In case of emergency, washing feet and hands is a must

after finishing that job. And some water has to be sprinkled on the head for purification. (theertha prOkshaNam)

Now... a rule exclusively for boys / mAmAs.

4. Two vasthrams to be worn by men over the undergarments - Normal dhoti for unmarried boys / men and panchakacham

for married men and a second piece tied like a belt / to cover the top! But some married men opt only for normal dhoti!

hi

exactly....i dont want get into controversaries.....

 

[Raji Ram]

We are always pure.
Aham Brahmasmi.
Satchitananda.

OMG! I did not get an opportunity to introduce Prasad Sir to the man who used to take electric meter readings in Vizag!

Anyone can 'smell' his arrival even when he enters the road! But Sir Ji may say 'After all it is only body odour and not the soul odour!! :lol:

 

[Raji Ram]

.... exactly....i dont want get into controversaries.....

Renuuuuuu..... Here is a conservative mAmA! :fish2:

 

[Raji Ram]

You have to believe me Renuka. I am certainly not one into rituals .Neither did our parents teach us any ritual nor did we take interest in learning the rituals. My attachment to Hinduism is wholly at philosophical level.

Oh, yeah! Philosophy does not need any rituals!

 

[renuka]

hi

it should be in right ear....i used to do ...when i was in vedapatasala...not anymore....there are 2 reasons...

1 yagnopavit should not touch ground....

2 it works as sensory motor....when we put in right ear....it automatically come out....lol

TBS Garu,

I dont know about the sensory motor theory of the ear and the colonic contents if it actually helps in expelling anything because the communities that do not wear a Yagnopavit are not constipated and neither are females constipated!

In a squatted position there is pressure put on the abdomen by the folded legs and that helps expelling colonic contents and also wind.

Have you see a baby when it has wind in the abdomen.

A baby will lift his legs and fold the knees and place the folded legs on the abdomen like the Pawanmukthasana Yoga pose(wind relieving pose).

I doubt the ears have anything got to do with easing the colonic contents.


Hanging the Yagnopavit on the right ear could be because majority people are right handed and its easier to hang on the right ear for a right handed person. Mainly the hanging on the ear must be to prevent the Yagnopavit from touching the ground and the ears are the best holders!

 

[renuka]

You have to believe me Renuka. I am certainly not one into rituals .Neither did our parents teach us any ritual nor did we take interest in learning the rituals. My attachment to Hinduism is wholly at philosophical level.

Dear Sravna,

I am not saying adhering to rituals is wrong(even though I do not believe in them)..but I think you are a Sambhavami Yuge Yuge types!LOL

A Sambhavami Yuge Yuge type is a person who when upon seeing anything good go into decline mode..he will try his best to restore it back to its baseline.

 

[Raji Ram]

1. First of all one prayers for peace of mind, no more no less.
2. Prayers for worldly goods, or begging from God, is totally useless endeavor .
3. So purity or impurity is of no significance.
4. To calm and focus the mind one can use prayers.

5. Then again we are pure.
6. Aham Brahmasmi.

1. Oh! Is it so? Is it not an indirect way of begging, Sir Ji?

2. Very true! There exists a 'karmA theory' which decides everything! BTW, does the same theory make us pray?? :noidea:
3. Hence you can enter the poojA room / temple without having a bath! eace:

4. Yes.. Can. But, I have seen many mAmAs and mAmis scolding their grand kids for noise pollution while they pray! :rant:

5. High hopes!

6. I found an interesting article and here is one part of it:

''So Vedic aphorism says that ahaṁ brahmāsmi. Ahaṁ brahmāsmi. So ahaṁ brahmāsmi sometimes mistakenly is understood that

"I am the Supreme God." Ahaṁ brahmāsmi means "I am Brahman." Brahman means spirit. "I am spirit soul." This conception, this

identification, is right. This is the right identification. As soon as I think that "I am elephant" or "I am ant," that is not my

identification. That is my misidentification. My real identification is that "I am neither ant nor elephant, but I am spirit soul."

But sometimes by identifying myself with the spirit soul, sometimes I falsely claim that "I am the supreme soul." Therefore

Caitanya Mahāprabhu says that tṛṇād api sunīcena, "You are soul, you are spirit soul, but you are smaller than the smallest straw

in the street." So actually, there is no miscalculation. The conclusion is there. So adambhitvam dharmikatva-khyāti-phalaka-

dharmācaraṇa. Khyāti. We should not be very much anxious about being famous. Not, "Oh, there is a great man who knows

everything about spirit and who is perfect." No. We should be very sincere to understand things as they are. We should not

falsely claim which I am not.

(Lecture on Bhagavad-Gita----13:6-7)''

Source: THE MEANING OF Aham brahmasmi

 

[krish44]

if sravnaji says swami satyam and catch his ears one lady might believe him

there is a credibility gap .

TBSji approach is best, avoid the issue and hope for the best.lol

 

[sravna]

Sambhavami Yuge Yuge[/I] type is a person who when upon seeing anything good go into decline mode..he will try his best to restore it back to its baseline.

Renuka,

I do not understand .Can you elaborate?

 

[sarang]

Religion and dharma survive because of rituals. Temples survive because of rituals and utsavams. Brahmins will survive only if they practice prescribed nitya naimithika karmas and rituals to the extent possible, and do prayaschittham if not done. This applies to all not onle brahmins.

All acharyas have enjoined adherents to do the rituals without fail.

You have to believe me Renuka. I am certainly not one into rituals .Neither did our parents teach us any ritual nor did we take interest in learning the rituals. My attachment to Hinduism is wholly at philosophical level.

 

[Raji Ram]

Dear TBS Sir,

I am not aware of the special significance of keeping poonool over the right ear!

But there was a post about a special stool to keep the legs up, while using western toilets.

This enables a posture like using Indian toilets, proving that Indian toilets are the best! :thumb:

It was posted by Naina Sir, if I remember correct!

 

[sadasivam.sridharan]

The reason why it should be hung on the right ear is,it necessitates use of right hand to put it over the right ear lobe, thus avoiding touching the poonal with left hand after the big job.

 

[sravna]

Religion and dharma survive because of rituals. Temples survive because of rituals and utsavams. Brahmins will survive only if they practice prescribed nitya naimithika karmas and rituals to the extent possible, and do prayaschittham if not done. This applies to all not onle brahmins.

All acharyas have enjoined adherents to do the rituals without fail.

Dear Shri Sarang,

I agree rituals serve an important purpose. But to me it is not the end in itself. If you are able to really practice dharma, then that is all that matters and in such a case rituals really are not necessary.

 

[sravna]

Renuka,

I understood thanks.

 

[Raji Ram]

Religion and dharma survive because of rituals. Temples survive because of rituals and utsavams. Brahmins will survive only if they practice prescribed nitya naimithika karmas and rituals to the extent possible, and do prayaschittham if not done. This applies to all not onle brahmins.

All acharyas have enjoined adherents to do the rituals without fail.

Dear Sarang Sir,

A nice post.

Since rituals are not followed by many brahmins, there is a fear that the brahmin community might totally vanish

after a few decades. The number of IC and IR weddings in this community might make it faster! :sad:

 

[renuka]

Renuka,

I do not understand .Can you elaborate?

Dear Sravna,

Sambhavami Yuge Yuge type is a person who puts things right when it goes wrong.

You have those qualities.

 

[renuka]

3. Hence you can enter the poojA room / temple without having a bath! eace:

Dear RR ji,

Now in my home there is no Pooja room anymore.

I feel I can not confine God to a room anymore.

 

[sarang]

Then all the sastras, religious and secular literature of sanatana dharma and the bhashyas of the acharyas are meaningless.

Even in common civil functions protocol and ritual are important to give meaning and importance to any function. Every ritual has a meaning and purpose; perhaps not understood, superfluous by today's standards. Without rituals in personal and public worship, our dharma may take a beating, but some adherents will save the day.

Dear Shri Sarang,

I agree rituals serve an important purpose. But to me it is not the end in itself. If you are able to really practice dharma, then that is all that matters and in such a case rituals really are not necessary.

 

[renuka]

Dear Shri Sarang,

I agree rituals serve an important purpose. But to me it is not the end in itself. If you are able to really practice dharma, then that is all that matters and in such a case rituals really are not necessary.

I agree.

At the end of the day we adhere to nothing at the time of death.

All rituals come to a stand still.No ritual is going to take us anywhere but only Dharma follows us like a faithful shadow.

I am not saying that rituals are wrong but just because someone before me adhered to it that does not automatically make me follow it.

But what I fail to understand why there is acute fear in humans all across the world that their culture will vanish?

What actually finally remains?

 

[krish44]

Dear RR ji,

Now in my home there is no Pooja room anymore.

I feel I can not confine God to a room anymore.

this pooja room .thing

all TBs like to have one

My son who bought a flat recently is being persuaded to have a pooja room in his new flat

Poor fellow ,he has engaged an interior decorator to create space for first iyer Gods [ his wife is an iyer] .

Not to be left behind my wife would like to have iyengar Gods there.

I have forgotten saibaba also beside some swamiji looking for space in the pooja room

most likely my son might end up with a pooja room bigger than his bedroom.

Gods after all require an abode.

Otherwise after bath where will the couple go if not pooja room .[with apologies to RRji]