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Dear Sister Renu,

It is good that you brought up this subject. Ravana was Jaya and he was cursed. It was not bad Karma but it is a CURSE which had to be rectified and it is equivalent to bad Karma. Lord Vishnu modified that curse by granting him liberation FROM the curse by being killed by Himself in his Avatars. Same is the case with Vijayan.

Please raise and discuss any doubts that you wish to have my opinion.

If we have bad Karma we could remove them by austerities performed towards the Gods. We are going to be punished for Bad Karma anyway. If we undergo suffering, then it means that our bad karma is being deleted and there is nothing to worry about it. But if we create suffering for others and corrupt their minds with wrong ideas, then we are degrading our Karma and if they succumb they are degrading theirs too.


Dear brother...

I have another doubt..

What was Ravana's original name given by his parents..?
I have asked this question so many times but i have never really got an answer that satisfies my curiosity..

Ravana was a name which came about after the whole episode with Shiva where Ravana was wailing and shouting in pain when he was being crushed by Mount Kailash..
another theory goes that he could make others cry in fear hence the name Ravana..

being the son of Pulasya he was known as Paulasya a name he shared with his brothers..

Dashamukha was a name given due to him being the master of the 4 vedas and the 6 shastras..

can you please find the original name for Ravana..and also find out for me if he knew of the purpose of his birth and was just waiting for Rama to kill him as the Shiva Tandava stotram seems to give away his feelings a little..

just another question..no doubt the gayatri mantra actually existed even before Vishwamitra coined and phrased it through his yogic powers.. but before Vishwamitra put in in black and white what was the mantra used by Dvijas(twice borns) for sandhyavandanam?

i have taken this form the prasnopanishad about Om and Gayatri..

It is held that OM is the sound symbol of Brahman and so it is said to be the first sound produced at the begining of creation.
From the three maatraas of Om came out the "feet" of Gayatri and from the three "feet" came out the three Vedas and the three worlds or Vyaahrtis.

From "A" came out 'tat savitur varenyam' which expanded itself into the Rigveda
From "U" came out 'bhargo devasya dhimahi' which expanded itself into the Yajurveda
From "M" came out 'dhiyo yo nah prachodayat' which expanded itself into Saamaveda.

The first is stutipara(hymnal)
The second is kriyaapara(devoted to work)
The third is jnanapara(devoted to knowledge)


why was it not realized before Vishwamitra coined it?
 
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Dear brother...

I have another doubt..

What was Ravana's original name given by his parents..?
I have asked this question so many times but i have never really got an answer that satisfies my curiosity..

Ravana was a name which came about after the whole episode with Shiva where Ravana was wailing and shouting in pain when he was being crushed by Mount Kailash..
another theory goes that he could make others cry in fear hence the name Ravana..

being the son of Pulasya he was known as Paulasya a name he shared with his brothers..

Dashamukha was a name given due to him being the master of the 4 vedas and the 6 shastras..

can you please find the original name for Ravana..and also find out for me if he knew of the purpose of his birth and was just waiting for Rama to kill him as the Shiva Tandava stotram seems to give away his feelings a little..

just another question..no doubt the gayatri mantra actually existed even before Vishwamitra coined and phrased it through his yogic powers.. but before Vishwamitra put in in black and white what was the mantra used by Dvijas(twice borns) for sandhyavandanam?

i have taken this form the prasnopanishad about Om and Gayatri..

It is held that OM is the sound symbol of Brahman and so it is said to be the first sound produced at the begining of creation.
From the three maatraas of Om came out the "feet" of Gayatri and from the three "feet" came out the three Vedas and the three worlds or Vyaahrtis.

From "A" came out 'tat savitur varenyam' which expanded itself into the Rigveda
From "U" came out 'bhargo devasya dhimahi' which expanded itself into the Yajurveda
From "M" came out 'dhiyo yo nah prachodayat' which expanded itself into Saamaveda.

The first is stutipara(hymnal)
The second is kriyaapara(devoted to work)
The third is jnanapara(devoted to knowledge)


why was it not realized before Vishwamitra coined it?

Such long questions, i appreciate your interest in Vedas.

Your question about Jayan and Vijayan was related to Karma and my research. Hence I gave the answer immediately.

I suggest you read my research volumes, both volume I and volume II completely and clarify your doubts on my research. I was expecting that you would post questions on my research which i had given the link before in this thread and one other thead and clarify your doubts on it, but you asked questions beyond the scope of my research on the Vedas.

I am sorry i could not answer your questions and quench your curiosity. I did mention "any" doubts, but i was expecting doubts on Karma and my research. I appologise, and i am sure a person like you could understand my apologies. :)

However you could ask your doubts on Karma and any doubt that arises from reading my research volumes.

Mind Control and Aliens the Suppressed Knowledge

Mind Control and Aliens the Suppressed Knowledge Volume 2
 
when one understands the shanthi mantram poornamadam poornamidam poornath.....who is a alien?these kind of distinction exist because of duality.when one is non-dual in nature,the real beauty of lord within,starts in self-effulgence.such a state is indescribable,but one can have a anubhavam or experiance it.
 
isn't vedas four in number :scared:

Dear Nachi,

I still DO NOT KNOW HOW many vedas are actually there and whether they are complete today. What we know today are four Vedas and NEVER in my research work have i mentioned anywhere that Vedas are four in number.

In the Varaha Avatara, Lord Vishnu killed Hiranyaksha and restored the Vedas to Lord Brahma supposedly in the Satya Yuga. This demon is said to have stolen the Vedas from Lord Brahma. However the older scriptures do not mention the number of Vedas.

Hence i do not get excited if someone says the Vedas are three or four or even two. Nice expressions. I like it.:peace:
 
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are you not aware renu,vedas are apoureshyam?anyways thats how my gurus taught me,as per my sampradaya,maybe yours is different in malaysia.:love:

Dear nachi sir...

what malaysia..india...
Vedas is Vedas only...
anyway thanks for the reply...

actually i had read before that there more than 10 Vedas before..many got "lost"..and only 4 remained after compiling and recombination by Veda Vyasa..I dont know how true it is....I cant recall fully what i read..but i vaguely remember it was more than 10..
 
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the concept of 10 avaatarams are mainly pertaining to lord vishnu,in my understanding of the sanathana dharma scriptures.so,the very first avataaram namely Matsya is akin to life starting in water then koorma life starting within water and land and then varaha life in land....and so n,untill kalki avataaram,when pralayam will occur and the cyclic process of yuga cycles continues..lord narayana nara + ayana ...has this power of sustenance from the triamvarate of lord shiva lord brahma lord vishnu.

there are avataarams of lord shiva lord brahma also,but we write less of them today.

vedas which we have today is 4 in number,which could be protected by us,despite innumerable onslaughts by invaders in our lands.today most religions are children of the vedas or sanathana dharma in amsams.by having a favorite diety concept,people are like horses with a shader,giving them tunnel vision.

sama drishti should give us equanimity of mind body soul.
 
Jai SiyaRaam
Namaste to all,

Vedas mantras are of threetypes(kinds?)
rig
sama
yajur

Veda Vyasaji compiled 4 vedas for ease of understanding(following?)
Rig veda
Sama veda
Yajur veda
Atharvana(Atharva?) Veda

All of the above vedas contain three veda mantras

Please correct me if I am wrong.

Jai SiyaRaam
 
Jai SiyaRaam
Namaste to all,

Vedas mantras are of threetypes(kinds?)
rig
sama
yajur

Veda Vyasaji compiled 4 vedas for ease of understanding(following?)
Rig veda
Sama veda
Yajur veda
Atharvana(Atharva?) Veda

All of the above vedas contain three veda mantras

Please correct me if I am wrong.

Jai SiyaRaam

what a wonderful moniker you got jai siya ram, bolo ram lakshmana janaky jai bolo hanuman ki :love:

my understanding is all four were given to us,swami vysya compiled,in fact some say the compiler was lord ganesha and to write he partly broke his tusker to write,eka dantaya vidmahe:happy:
 
Jai SiyaRaam

Thanks Nachi Nagaji

I am sorry, all I meant to say/convey was that "trayee"(trayi ?) refers to three types of veda mantras(rig, sama and yajur) but not the number of vedas

Trayee was one huge body until(Dwapara) it was classified into 4(rig, sama, yajur and atharva) by Veda Vyasaji

All of the 4 vedas thats which we know today consist of three mantras(rig, sama and yajur)

But I dont know on what basis Veda Vyasaji classified these mantras, some/one of you may please tell us

I believe Lord Ganesha helped Veda Vyasaji in writing "Jayam" (Mahabharatam) right?

Pre Dwapara Yuga: Trayee

Post Dwapara Yuga:
Trayee? 4? it depends on what we are actually referring to

Please correct me if I am wrong

Thanks,
Jai SiyaRaam
 
jai siyaRaam

i recently became aware that,kali yugam itself that we are experiancing is the 8th cycle,though i am trying to get some documentation for this,becoz the person who mentioned this orally is accomplished pundit.in facti tend to agree with this becoz,mahaswamigal has also mentioned in kamakoti.org about archaeo-astrology dating techniques,are basically cyclic,meaning the constellation hae a set cyclic pattern,i mean there is order in all the celestial alignments.trayi trayate can be annointed easily isn't it?unless a fraud has been committed with scriptures too!!!!but for my faith to be unshakeable,my gurus are pillars,and they are bonafide masters enlightened beings.so,i believe four vedas are apoureshyam.i am positive bhagavan sathya sai baba must have spoken something about this,let me check his materials from web also.thnx.har har mahadev.
 
Worship God with purity of feeling and free from all other thoughts. As a result of this worship, the Lord will appear before your inner eye, in the form which is dear to you. This vision is not a matter of imagination; it is a ‘face to face’ experience. Without difference of location, you can abide in the presence of the Lord. Sometimes you may see everything as the glory of the Lord and become suffused with God consciousness. All these are the fruits of your devotion. As your devotion matures further, all differences disappear and unity is attained, and the highest stage is reached. This is called Saayujya. You should aspire for this merger with the Lord. At this stage, you will wish to serve the Lord as He pleases and experience joy from the Divine Form.
- Prema Vahini, Chapter "Mukthi is of Four Kinds"
 
MUSINGS FROM PRASHANTHI NILAYAM
CONCERNING THE VEDAS – 02
THE VEDAS - THEIR EVOLUTION AND SIGNIFICANCE
By Prof. G Venkataraman
This is the transcription of the second talk on Radio Sai aired few days ago on the theme "Concerning The Vedas". The last issue was a brief introduction to the Vedas (To read that again, click here). This issue focuses on the evolution of the vedic thought and their significance.
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Loving Sai Ram and greetings from Prashanti Nilayam.
This is the second of my talks on the Vedas. As I told you last time, my basic aim in this series is first to give you a broad flavour of the Vedas, and then take you on a journey across the Vedas as they enter a man’s life. That part would come a little later; right now, I am in the process of setting the stage for that.
In this talk, I intend to say something about the Vedas themselves. Given my limited knowledge of the subject, I shall naturally confine myself to just the basic and elementary aspects. Let me start with what Swami has said about the Vedas. This is what He says:



The Vedas are the most ancient among the world’s scriptures. They are a vast storehouse of wisdom. Manu has declared, “Everything is derived from the Vedas.” The Vedas are immeasurable, unrivalled, and filled with Bliss. The word Veda is derived from the root word Vid, which means to know. Knowledge of the Supreme is Veda.

The Vedas – A collection of Divine Revelations
The Vedas consist of hymns, thousands and thousands of them. They represent an ocean to which countless Sages have contributed, going back to a period when there was only the spoken language and no script. The hymns of the Vedas represent thoughts and revelations that came to the Sages of yore during their meditations. These revelations were in the form of hymns, which the Sages transmitted to their disciples. Thus it was that they were passed from generation to generation. For centuries, all this happened entirely by word of mouth. The written version came much later. Thus the growth of the Vedas is like a series of small streams joining to form tributaries that feed big rivers, the rivers all finally merging into the ocean. This analogy is very apt, because the water that the streams get is from the rain, whose source is really the ocean. In the same way, the revelations that the Sages had were from the Divine; and the Ocean made up by the collection of revelations that constitutes the Vedas, is also Divine.
The Sound Aspect of Vedic Hymns – It’s Significance
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I must pause here to make a few important comments. The first is that the Vedas exist in the form of chants, and the sound aspect is therefore very important. The Vedic hymns must be chanted properly and there is a spiritual significance to the chant, which the late Paramacharya of Kanchi explains as follows:
Vedas must be chanted with grandeur so that the sound can be properly heard. Vedic Mantras not only produce beneficial vibrations in the pulse of the one who chants them properly, but also similar vibrations in those who may hear them. Since it is spread in the atmosphere, it ensures wellbeing here and hereafter. The outstanding feature of the Vedas lies in the fact that the sound of the Mantras by itself when chanted has a meaning, apart from the words themselves, which too are pregnant with significance.
The sound aspect has been preserved from very ancient times and that is something remarkable. The sound aspect is linked intimately to the words, and the two, namely the sound and the word together have been so intertwined that over time, Vedic hymns have defied corruption and mutation. This is an important point and needs some reflection.
Let us take any language, including English. All languages have evolved. If say, an Englishman who lived fifteen hundred years ago were to suddenly appear before us and start speaking, I am sure most of us would not be able to understand what he is saying. The words would be different and so also the style. This is true of almost all languages. Languages evolve with time, these days over even short periods, but the Vedic language has remained invariant over the several thousand years during which the Vedas evolved
 
How Have the Vedic Hymns Remained Uncorrupted
I once asked a scholar how this was possible since languages have all evolved the world over. The answer he gave was interesting. He said that the Vedic hymns have remained uncorrupted because of the sound aspect. They had a particular metre and when chanted, they had a certain completeness of their own. Any mutation or distortion of the words would severely disturb the sound aspect, and this disturbance could be easily detected. Since the sound aspect was dominant, corruption could be spotted and eliminated immediately;
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this is how, I was told, the pristine purity of the Vedas had been preserved. Sounds plausible I would say.
Anyway, the fact of the matter is that the way the Vedas are chanted now, as, for example, in Swami’s presence everyday during Darshan, is the same as the way they were chanted thousands of years ago. I must of course qualify this by adding that there are some special schools of Vedic chanting but I am not considering that here; rather, I am confining myself to the standard method of chanting.
Just to make myself clear, let us say there is a Vedic Pandit from the East Godavari District in Andhra Pradesh and another from Kerala. East Godavari District and Kerala are at least a thousand kilometres apart. The respective Vedic scholars would have imbibed their tradition from their ancestors in those two widely separated parts of the country, parts, which, until recently, did not have good communication between them.

Suppose these two scholars meet and one of them starts chanting say the Taittriya Upanishad. The other would have absolutely no difficulty in joining the first scholar in the recitation. That is because the recitation tradition is the same for both, and that is because the recitation is fixed and has remained invariant through the ages. I hope you get the point. If you reflect on it, you would find this aspect unique.
Swami On Why The Vedas
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Let me now go back for a minute to the Divine revelation aspect. Such revelations are not as rare as people might imagine, and have occurred to people in various places at various times in history. Indeed, even in science, such revelations have occurred. Of course, historians of science would not record it that way. They would instead say that Archimedes had a flash of discovery, Einstein had a flash of intuition, and so on. However, these flashes are nothing but the revelation of the Divine, maybe in relation to the material world, but revelations nonetheless.
Back to Swami and let us find out what more He has to say about the Vedas. Here is a quote:
The Vedas took form, only to demonstrate and emphasise the existence of God. The Veda is a collation of words that are the Truth, which were visualised by sages who had attained the capacity to receive them into their enlightened awareness. In reality, the Word is the very Breath of God, the Supreme Person. The unique importance of the Veda rests on this fact.
Why are the Vedas called Sruthis
Because the Vedas originally existed only in sound form, they are sometimes referred to as Sruthi. In scriptures, Sruthi means that which is heard. The real reason for giving the name Sruthi to the Vedas is that Cosmic Vibrations which are inaudible and cannot be seen were heard by the mediating Sages as sound. That is also one of the reasons why the sound aspect is given so much importance. Great stress is therefore laid by the teachers of Vedas on the correct pronunciation of the word and the intonation while chanting. Listeners who have heard the extended Vedic chants by students before Swami, would be able to appreciate what I mean.
The ancients of India devised elaborate recitation drills so that through the ages, the chants would remain the same, without mutation and corruption. This is something remarkable, and I am not sure if there is any other comparable example.
 
The Structure of The Vedas
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I must now say something about the structure of the Vedas. It is usually said that there are four Vedas. Yes there are, but this classification came after several thousands of years. Before that, it was, shall I say, a period of discovery? Revelations came to people belonging to different times, and these were encapsulated into Vedic hymns. There were thousands and thousands of hymns but unfortunately, most of them have been lost in time. What has survived is only a small part. Even so, they are not only grand in themselves, but tell, in their own way, the story of the evolution of human thought. I shall come to that aspect a little later but for now, I shall stay with the topic concerning the structure of the Vedas.
Today we recognise four Vedas, the Rig Veda, the Sama Veda, the Yajur Veda and the Atharvana Veda. Apparently, it was Sage Vyasa who made the compilation and classification of Vedic hymns in this manner. It is customary to identify in each Veda, three portions known respectively as: Samhita, Brahmana and Aranyaka. Thus, the Rig Veda has its own Samhita, its own Brahmana and its own Aranyaka. The same holds for the other three Vedas also.
The Division within Each Veda
Now what do these three portions signify? Why this division? That is the question I shall address next. In a sense, the three portions are indicators of evolution of Vedic thought. The word Samhita means that which has been collected and arranged. The Samhita portion of a given Veda contains the Mantras belonging to that Veda, arranged in a systematic manner. These Mantras comprehensively convey the main objective or the purpose of that particular Veda. The Vedic Mantras that we often hear come mainly from the Samhitas.
Turning next to the Brahmanas, these spell out how certain rituals ought to be performed. About the Brahmanas, Swami has this to say:
The Brahmanas constitute an important part of the Vedas, and deal with the correct procedures for performing rituals like the Yajnas and Yagas. Being ceremonial rites for acquiring mundane pleasures, such ceremonies, however, cannot offer Atmananda or the Pure Bliss of the Atma. They can only enhance sensory enjoyment and provide epicurean pleasures, which are intrinsically transient. The search for pure abiding Bliss of the Atma led the ancient Rishis to the solitude of the forests.
This leads me on in a quite natural fashion to the Aranyakas. This word is derived from the word Aranya, which means forest. Thus, the Aranyakas are sometimes referred to as forest books and with good reason. As already pointed in the quote from Swami, neither the Samhitas or the Brahmanas ask a person to give up everything and retire to the forest in order to contemplate on God and focus totally on spiritual development. No doubt chanting Mantras from the Samhitas does promote some purity of mind, but where spiritual development is concerned, they can take a person only so far.
The Aranyakas have a different objective. They are meant for people who wish to reach higher levels of development through intense contemplation and meditation of the Supreme One in His most abstract aspect. The famous Upanishads come at the end of the Aranyakas and represent the quintessence of Vedic Knowledge. As Swami puts it, “Ancient Sages have communicated the spiritual wisdom revealed to them through the Upanishads.”
Evolution Of Vedic Thought – The First Step
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The above brief introduction to the Vedas also enables me now to comment on the evolution of Vedic thought. If one goes carefully through the Vedic texts that span the ages, one can see a clear line of evolution. The very early hymns are in the Rig Veda, and they not only express ancient man’s sense of wonder but also reveal how he identified specific deities like Indra, Agni, Vayu and so on with forces of Nature. About all this, Swami says,
The very first experience in Indian thought is the thrill of wonder. This is expressed in the hymns or Riks found in the Rig Veda. The Riks are all about the deities or the Devas, like Indra, Varuna and so on.
From this we see that the very early seekers did not straightaway understand Brahman, the Ultimate and all that. Like people elsewhere, the ancients of India also were struck with wonder about Nature and all the forces that formed a part of her, like thunder, lightning, wind, rain, etc. They also understood, perhaps in their own imperfect way, that there was a subtle synergy between the various agencies of Nature that promoted the sustenance of life on earth.
Everything from the ant to the elephant was seen as a part of some mysterious Cosmic cycle. And so, the very first thoughts related not only to the inevitable sense of wonder but also to an important question of logic. If there were forces in Nature, there ought also to be agencies that controlled these forces. It is these that were identified as Devas, and the Devas in charge of different departments, shall I say, were given different names like Indra, Agni and so forth. This is what I would call the first level of thought in a long evolutionary process.
It is interesting in passing to note that the Greeks also went through almost a similar thought process. As would be recalled, the Greeks too had a god of fire, a god for this, a god for that and so on. In fact, tribes everywhere had their own spectrum of deities or spirits, be it in Africa or North America. What this shows is that ancients everywhere had the implicit belief that there was something in the Universe more that what one could merely see with the eyes and experience with the senses.
 
The Second Step – Worshipping the Elements
Having decided that there were Devas who controlled various aspects and forces of Nature, the next task was to worship them and perform various rituals to propitiate them. Thus it was that rituals came into existence, almost soon after the Devas were accepted. Listeners may recall, for example, that Emperor Dasaratha performed a ritual called the Putrakameshti Yaga for having children. By the way, this ritual is sometimes performed even these days by the childless.
So the first step in the evolution process was to identify Devas and worship them. In due course, the more intensive of the Vedic seekers
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decided to probe further beyond the Devas and concluded, in the first instance, that there must be an overlord for these deities. The deities were like Viceroys, and there must be a Rex or a King who ruled over them. Thus it is that they convinced themselves about a Power superior to the deities. That power was called God.
Now arose an issue. Whom to worship? Some said, “Worship the deities for particular favours, and worship the God who ruled them when the deities were unable to deliver the goods.” Thus in ancient India, many started worshipping Varuna the God of Rain when the monsoon failed but prayed to another God when they wanted progeny or cure from illness and things like that. This is like going to different counters in a bank when one needs different kinds of service.
At this stage, some thinkers said, “Hey wait a minute. Let’s examine this business in some more detail.” They did so and came up with an answer that is best illustrated by using the analogy of a Bank. Just go to, say, the main office of the State Bank of India in Prashanti Nilayam during the working hours. You will find that many customers are seated with the Manager. Often, these are people from overseas who have big deposits in the Bank. They may have things they want to do like withdrawing some money, getting some foreign currency cashed, making new deposits and so forth. For every such activity, there is an assigned person and a counter for conducting the transaction; yet the VIP customer gets all his jobs done simply by sitting with the Manager. In the same way, these profound thinkers in ancient India came to the important conclusion that though there were deities who took care of limited portfolios, all the favours one wants can in fact be granted directly by God who ruled all the Devas, and that there was no need to separately take these issues up with the lesser deities or Devas.
The Final Understanding – The Existence of The Supreme One
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In short, step by step, the seekers realised that there is a Supreme One who is beyond this world, beyond the Universe in fact, and beyond Space and Time too. The seekers also realised that this Supreme One who was beyond Space and Time itself, could not be described in words, and could not be cognised by the Mind too. We have heard so many speakers quote this Vedic phrase:
Yato vaache nivarthante aprapya manasachaha.
This phrase refers to Something that is beyond description and even thought.
Space-Time is a curtain that divides the Creator from the Creation. Creation is on this side of the curtain, while the Creator in all His absolute and pristine glory is on the other, so to speak. In short, slowly but surely, the seekers were zeroing on the existence of the curtain and the presence of something Supreme beyond that curtain. That something is God, whose children we all are, irrespective of race, religion, creed or nationality.
The Vedas Are Universal
In this sense, the Vedas are Universal and it is for that reason that Swami makes it a point to draw attention to the Vedas, and NOT because they are Indian in origin.
To repeat, the Vedas focus on a MYSTICAL ETERNAL SOMETHING that is beyond this world, beyond this Universe, beyond Space and Time itself, and is changeless. It is that Something beyond words and even the Mind that the Vedic seers were in quest of, and with good reason too.
Indeed, across the ages, seekers elsewhere too have been engaged in this very quest, though by different means. Einstein was one of them, and he gives expression to this beautifully. Explaining why he pursued Science, Einstein once said:
A knowledge of the existence of Something we cannot penetrate, which only in their most primitive forms are accessible to our Minds – it is this Knowledge and emotion that constitute true religiosity. In this sense, I am a deeply religious man.
Einstein tried to catch a glimpse of Cosmic Infinity through Science while the seekers of the Vedic age sought that very same ETERNITY via the path of devotion and Spiritual inquiry.
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The Supplementary Units of The Vedas
I will have more to say about the Vedic concept of God and related subjects later, but for now, let me for the record mention that in addition to the four main Vedas, there are many supplementary units that include six Vedaangas and four Upaangas.
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The word Anga means a limb; thus the Vedaangas represent, so to speak, limbs of the Vedas while the Upaangas represent subsidiary limbs. I shall not go into details concerning these but I must mention one important Upaanga, and that is the Puraanas. The Puraanas are important because they cater to the masses. The late Paramacharya of Kanchi has this to say about the Puraanas:
The Puraanas can be called the magnifying glasses of the Vedas as they magnify small images into big images. The Vedic injunctions which are contained in the form of pithy statements are magnified or elaborated in the form of stories or anecdotes in the Puraanas.
This is an important point. Take Sathya or Truth, for example. The importance of adhering to Sathya come what may is wonderfully exemplified by the story of King Harishchandra, which, until recently, used to be regularly performed as a drama in villages all over India. That is how ordinary folk learnt the importance of abiding by Truth. I have myself seen unlettered villagers say, “I am bound by Truth.” We should also not forget that it was one such village drama depicting the story of Harishchandra that made a profound impact on Gandhi when he was a young boy, making a difference not only to his own life but, in some measure, to humanity as well.

Swami on How The Vedas Help Man
I think it is best for me to bring this talk to a close with a quote from Swami:
The Vedas teach man his duties. They describe his rights and duties, obligations and responsibilities, in all stages of life – as a student, householder, recluse and monk. In order to make plain the Vedic dicta and axioms and enable all to understand the meaning and purpose of the do’s and don’ts, the Vedaanagas, the Upaangas, the Puraanas and the Epic texts appeared in course of time. Therefore, if man is to grasp the significance of his existence and his own reality, he has to understand the importance of these later explanatory texts also.
I guess that places the Vedas and all the supplementary compositions in their proper perspective. Next time, I shall give you a glimpse of one of the interesting Upanishads.
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Jai Sai Ram.
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Dear all...

Got some new info..may be some of you guys already know it..

Ever wondered why metrical hymns of the Vedas are called Chandas?

Ok this is the answer..from the Chaandogya Upanishad...

Devaa vai mrtyorbibhyatastrayeem vidyaam praavisham ste chandobhiracchaadayanyadebhiracchaadayam stacchadasaam chandastvam.

Verily the devas being afraid of death took refuge in the 3 Vedas.They covered themselves with the metrical hymns.Because they covered themselves with these,the metrical hymns are called Chandas.


note* Chanda in sanskrit means to cover.
 
In todays world, there is not one, but many people being hailed as "Godmen" or "Godwomen" since the beginning of Kaeli Yuga. Personally, i have my sense organs and sense functions complete and i could learn the Vedas. Yes i did learn a few basic concepts from a Vaishnavite Brahmin who is a skilled astrologer. Then there were are a lot of corrupted irrelevant ideas along with the correct ones but i was able to perceive only the real ones since i had the basic concepts from a good Brahmana Guru. i am not a Brahmin, i am a Kshatriya. Whenever i read about the Vedas i perceived the right idea. But i never got attracted towards any spiritual Godman for this purpose.

There are also many people around the world who are popular. I am interested in the Vedas, the Vedas are the basis of life. Yet i see some ideas(not all) of certain people are thought provoking. My research is based on getting these kind of ideas from around the World. I like to share one such idea here. Kindly delete this if this is irrelevant here.

People have no idea of the abyss we are staring into or the nature of the world we are leaving for our children to endure and most people don’t seem to care. They would much rather ignore the obvious and go into denial of a truth that’s splatting them between the eyes. I feel like the cow who runs into the field screaming: “Hey, you know that truck that takes some of our friends away every month? Well they don’t take them to another field like we thought. They shoot them in the head, bleed them dry, cut them up, and put the pieces into packets. Then those humans buy them and eat them!” Imagine what the reaction of the rest of the herd would be: “You’re crazy man. They’d never do that. Anyway, I’ve got shares in that trucking company and I get a good return. Shut up, you’re making waves.”

The Agenda I am exposing has been unfolding over thousands of years to its current point close to completion, because humanity has given away its mind and its responsibility. Humanity would rather do what it thinks is right for itself in the moment than consider the wider consequences of its behaviour for human existence. Ignorance is bliss, we say, and that’s true - but only for a while. It may be bliss not to know a tornado is coming because you have no need to worry or take action. But while your head is in the sand your bum is in the air, the tornado is still coming. If you looked up and faced it, disaster could be avoided, but ignorance and denial always ensure that you will get the full force and the most extreme consequences, because it strikes when least expected and you are least prepared. Like I say, ignorance is bliss - but only for so long. We create our own reality by our thoughts and actions. For every action or non-action there is a consequence. When we give our minds and our responsibility away, we give our lives away. If enough of us do it, we give the world away and that is precisely what we have been doing throughout known human history.

From: The Biggest Secret by David Icke
 
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