We are born in brahmin caste but can we call as real brahmins?

[Raghy]

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Dear Raghy.

I saw your posting to SHARAVANA. I am to state even now that it is a blunder we commit to say that we are Brahmins without a quality as given in Geeta i.e SAATVIK GUNA. But still caste system is in vogue because our ancestors wanted their children and others born in the family to be in the same caste. It is going on even now. Britishers made a rule that a Village Munsif's job as hereditary. Indians changed it. Hence our latest caste system is not based on GUNAS as referred to in GITA but made out of our selfishness.

Regards and Namaskarams,

P.R.RADHAKRISHNAN

Sri. Radhakrisnan, namaskaram.

I do not understand why people associate satvik guna to any Brahmins. There may not be any connection at all. I heard often enough people trying to associate satvik guna with Brahmins just for the sake of exhibiting some kind of superiority.

Caste system is not going to go away any soon. Previously it was non Brahmins vs Brahmins. Now that brahmins are fading away from the picture in Tamil nadu, it is friction amoung non Brahmin castes.

But my message has nothing to do with any castes. Personally I am the least interested in any caste. If any particular caste seems to get wiped out, that is only an illusion.

In Gita only the Varnas are talked about, not the caste system. In my opinion, even that is very poorly interpreted.

In my opinion, it is very difficult to be satvik. Only during some mechanical actions we stay satvik. I stay satvik mostly when I drive. It is so mechanical, I don't impart any emotions while driving ( except when I come across a really horrible driver...... Usually they could drive me nuts!)

In my opinion, caste system cannot be based on gunas. It has to be birth based otherwise the people can not be segregated. Like I said before, I won't lament if any of the caste gets wiped out.

Cheers!

 

[renuka]

Frankly speaking what is the need to categorize our behavior into Sattva,Rajas and Tamas to start with?

I feel abiding to the laws of the nation and social norms is good enough.

Our actions need to be appropriate and befitting for the moment even if it might sometimes "break" certain rules.

I remember reading somewhere before that many Sanyasis in an ashram had gone to the river and on the way back to their ashram they witnessed a young girl who had fainted and fallen down.

I can't remember the name of the sanyasi..who later on became a Swamiji....but he rushed forward and help revive the girl and all the other Sanyasis just stood there and did not help and they were reprimanding him for breaking the rules by touching a girl.

So you see.. he broke the rule cos he valued human life more than man made rules.

Not touching a female might hold good in day to day activities of a Sanyasi but in case of emergency one need not follow such rules.

To the other sanyasis may be the action of his to help a female might not be "Sattva" but God might "think" differently.

There is no greater action than Manava Seva.

So I feel we need to use our Viveka to know what is best for the situation instead of just blindly aiming to be Sattva by just being stereotype following rules without thinking.

 

[suraju06]

Raghy said in post #76:

In my opinion, it is very difficult to be satvik. Only during some [COLOR=#DA7911 !important]mechanical[/COLOR] actions we stay satvik. I stay satvik mostly when I drive. It is so mechanical, I don't impart any emotions while driving ( except when I come across a really horrible [COLOR=#DA7911 !important]driver[/COLOR]...... Usually they could drive me nuts!)

A German friend of me told me once, when he was in India, that he would have gone mad if he were to drive in any road in India. This is the view expressed by many of my friends who have made US their country of residence for long. In US if you drive so slowly as you do in India because of the bad road conditions, traffic density, pedestrians darting across without any discipline etc., a US citizen would just curse "sh*t" and press the pedal hard and hit the vehicle in front to express his anger. That is rajasic behavior. You, because of your background and the sAtvik state being dominant most of the time(because of your genes) never do that. That is the difference.

Cheers.

 

[C RAVI]

Sri. Radhakrisnan, namaskaram.

I do not understand why people associate satvik guna to any Brahmins. There may not be any connection at all. I heard often enough people trying to associate satvik guna with Brahmins just for the sake of exhibiting some kind of superiority.


Cheers!

Shri Raghy,


To attempt attaining Sattvik tendencies one has to follow certain things, certain life style and certain attitude that can help one to progress towards Sattvik Guna.

Other than such psychological and life style parameters, it is also considered that avoiding eating any other living being's flesh, that requires killing also helps to enhance one's Sattvik Gunas.

Sattivik Guna I can say has much to do with Spiritual tendencies/inclination. That's the reason even hard core flesh eaters avoid eating flesh on certain occasions and on certain days of the week when they want to be spiritually inclined. This is the practice among Non-Vegetarians (NB's) from North, West, East and South of India, irrespective of their caste.


Since Brahmins generally don't eat Flesh and avoid smoking, alcohol, furious/aggressive physical tendencies etc and are spiritually inclined, practicing nitya karmas etc, Sattvik guna is generally associated with Brahmins.

I don't see any sort of Superiority in it!!


People who are spiritually inclined, living a peaceful and disciplined life and are not inclined towards abusive/mischievous thoughts, speech and actions tend to have Sattvik Guna predominantly

Many Brahmins either eat Meat or at least go for alcohol, smoking etc. Many Flesh eaters are very much spiritually inclined and don't smoke and drink liquor. Many NB's don't eat Flesh at all and are spiritually inclined.

As such, Sattvik guna is not the exclusive property of Brahmins by birth!! It's the quality available to any x y z who follows certain life style practices, attitude, behavior, eating habits and have spiritual inclination.

 

[renuka]

Raghy said in post #76:



A German friend of me told me once, when he was in India, that he would have gone mad if he were to drive in any road in India.

Cheers.

LOL! Why is the German complaining?

Isn't the German supposed to be the Parama Aryan?

So why is he having Rajoguna? LOL

 

[renuka]

You, because of your background and the sAtvik state being dominant most of the time(because of your genes) never do that. That is the difference.

Cheers.

Dear Suraju ji,

Most of us humans too do not curse and drive and hit the vehicle in front.

That has nothing to do with Sattva Guna..it's just be law abiding.
No one wants the hassle to face the police and court cases.

Anyone can be law abiding.

Singaporean driver's are one the most law abiding in the world cos they fear the law and the enforcement is very strict and no nonsense and no corruption.

But when the same drivers cross over to M'sia we some of them driving like dare devils.

So it all depends on law and enforcement.

It has nothing got to do with Sattva Guna.

 

[suraju06]

Dear Suraju ji,

Most of us humans too do not curse and drive and hit the vehicle in front.

That has nothing to do with Sattva Guna..it's just be law abiding.
No one wants the hassle to face the police and court cases.

Anyone can be law abiding.

Singaporean driver's are one the most law abiding in the world cos they fear the law and the enforcement is very strict and no nonsense and no corruption.

But when the same drivers cross over to M'sia we some of them driving like dare devils.

So it all depends on law and enforcement.

It has nothing got to do with Sattva Guna.

For those with rajoguna the overseeing law and police are required to keep them under control. For sAtvik individuals they do not need these. That is the gist of my post.

Cheers.

 

[Raghy]

Raghy said in post #76:



A German friend of me told me once, when he was in India, that he would have gone mad if he were to drive in any road in India. This is the view expressed by many of my friends who have made US their country of residence for long. In US if you drive so slowly as you do in India because of the bad road conditions, traffic density, pedestrians darting across without any discipline etc., a US citizen would just curse "sh*t" and press the pedal hard and hit the vehicle in front to express his anger. That is rajasic behavior. You, because of your background and the sAtvik state being dominant most of the time(because of your genes) never do that. That is the difference.

Cheers.

Sri. Raju, Greetings.

Any driver driving slowly is not a problem at all. We do have elderly persons driving slowly, everyone drives slower in the morning when the sun is in their eyes ( hard to see the road due to the glare) and in the rush hour traffic ( traffic slows to 20 to 30 Km/hour, just like India). That would not annoy anyone. I usually get annoyed when someone drops in front from a side road or when someone changes lane cutting the traffic.

[FONT=&quot]Most people stay cool inspite of the annoying situation too. You are right, staying cool is the right action in that situation and that is the satvic action. That’s what I am on about.

Cheers![/FONT]

 

[Raghy]

Dear Sri. Ravi, Greetings.

I refer to your message in post #76.


To follow a satvik action, one has to be disciplined. That’s all. One doesn’t have to take any special diet or doesn’t have to follow any special life style.


Somehow you are associating satvic guna with vegetarian diet. I can see you seem to think vegetarian diet and refraining from alcohol somehow superior and you are connecting them to certain group of people to show they would be satvik by nature. No sir! I don’t see it that way.

Diet and/or life styles don’t determine one’s guna. One’s guna is not fixed either.

My messages do not restrict the population to Bs or NBs. I just look at the world population. Most peole would have read in Gita that one should treat a hermit, a dog and a dog-eater equally, means treat all of them without any prejudices. I don’t know about you, I did come across dog-eaters. My population in consideration is much larger.

I don’t consider any of the guna as superior. They are just gunas. In the same way, I look at actions as just the requirement for the given situation. Nothing is superior or inferior.

It is best to do the most appropriate action with most appropriate frame of mind although such actions or frame of mind do not have any black and white defenitions.

Cheers!

 

[kr sekar]

This has been discussed threadbare by CHO in his book/serial/drama called Enge Brahmanan. But I do not understand why you have raised this question. Before opening your post, I thought you are going to discuss something in detail. It is like an attractive Headline in newspaper without any content.

 

[C RAVI]

Dear Sri. Ravi, Greetings.

I refer to your message in post #76.


To follow a satvik action, one has to be disciplined. That’s all. One doesn’t have to take any special diet or doesn’t have to follow any special life style.


Somehow you are associating satvic guna with vegetarian diet. I can see you seem to think vegetarian diet and refraining from alcohol somehow superior and you are connecting them to certain group of people to show they would be satvik by nature. No sir! I don’t see it that way.

Diet and/or life styles don’t determine one’s guna. One’s guna is not fixed either.

My messages do not restrict the population to Bs or NBs. I just look at the world population. Most peole would have read in Gita that one should treat a hermit, a dog and a dog-eater equally, means treat all of them without any prejudices. I don’t know about you, I did come across dog-eaters. My population in consideration is much larger.

I don’t consider any of the guna as superior. They are just gunas. In the same way, I look at actions as just the requirement for the given situation. Nothing is superior or inferior.

It is best to do the most appropriate action with most appropriate frame of mind although such actions or frame of mind do not have any black and white defenitions.

Cheers!

Sri Raghy,


Your post above is very much acceptable to me, that's on broader sense, in the sense that, at the end of the day how a person's behavior, actions and reactions are presented with the influence of Sattvik guna no matter what's his/hers life style is and what he/she eats.

My previous post addressed to you was an attempt in elaboration to insist that Predominant Sattvik tendencies generally associated with Brahmins are not to show cause "Brahmin's Superiority" as claimed/guessed by you. As such, my post was elaborated, stating any one can work towards attaining Sattvik guna for the sole reason of peace within oneself and among others.

Attitude, priniciples, desciplined life style, vegetarianism etc, do play a major role in acquiring Sattvik Tendencies.

By my post I didn't mean that Rajo Guna and Tamas Guna are inferior to Sattvik guna in our mundane life. My point of contention is, having Sattvik Guna predominently would pave a way for healthy society, collectively. And that, there are certain factors that strengthens one's Sattvik tendencies.

 

[biswa]

LOL! Why is the German complaining?

Isn't the German supposed to be the Parama Aryan?

So why is he having Rajoguna? LOL

Only if he is a Nazi. LOL
Otherwise he is just a Gothic barbarian. At least that's what the great Roman civilization thought.

But I agree with Mr. Raghy. There are always some people who like to show off. Whether it is caste, money, connections or (perceived) gunas.

 

[biswa]

Yeah what's this harping over the sattvik guna? If everybody in the world practiced the sattvik guna, wouldn't the world be a rather boring place?

Likewise, if everybody in the world were a Brahmin (or any single caste), what would be the point of the caste system?

I think these systems have been created by humans just for one-upmanship purposes. If you are living well yourself, what is there to advertise? Just do it!

 

[renuka]

Yeah what's this harping over the sattvik guna? If everybody in the world practiced the sattvik guna, wouldn't the world be a rather boring place?

I fully agree..Imagine if everyone was Sattva....there will be no Porn Industry!

But we might never know..may be the industry itself has its own set of Gunas to fit the requirements of their clients! LOL

 

[sangom]

I fully agree..Imagine if everyone was Sattva....there will be no Porn Industry!

But we might never know..may be the industry itself has its own set of Gunas to fit the requirements of their clients! LOL

Can we not have sAtvik porn by "hit hard" principle?!

 

[renuka]

Can we not have sAtvik porn by "hit hard" principle?!

Dear Sangom ji,

May be we should wait for feedback from the resident Sattvagunamayi of Forum!LOL

 

[sarang]

There is no porn in our dharma. What is the samskrit or tamil word for it?

I fully agree..Imagine if everyone was Sattva....there will be no Porn Industry!

But we might never know..may be the industry itself has its own set of Gunas to fit the requirements of their clients! LOL

 

[C RAVI]

Yeah what's this harping over the sattvik guna? If everybody in the world practiced the sattvik guna, wouldn't the world be a rather boring place?

Likewise, if everybody in the world were a Brahmin (or any single caste), what would be the point of the caste system?

I think these systems have been created by humans just for one-upmanship purposes. If you are living well yourself, what is there to advertise? Just do it!

Can we accept existence of criminals who are into robbery and rape, stating without them there would not be any thrill, friction, conspiracy, horror, investigation and the life in the society would be boring?

Can we expect wars, civil/rebel wars, terror attacks etc to happen in different parts of the word, killing 1000s of innocent adults and children, stating that without these there would not be whooping business to arms and ammunition industry and that there would not be any Flash news on the media that can help in increasing TRP?

Can we expect human/flesh trafficking to continue to exist so that men can have verities to enjoy, from among any age group of females? Can we say that if such trafficking doesn't take place there will be no chance for few selfless and compassionate humans to take up the social cause of rescuing and rehabilitating the victims and there by the world will get boring?



Recently there was horrific twin bomb blast in Boston at the end line of the Marathon. 3 people died and many lost their arms. Now, President Obama and his FBI team members are all on their toes to go to any extent to find who did it and why he/they did it and that the perpetrators would made to feel the full weight of the law. It's a chance for the whole team now to demonstrate their skills, their power etc to unearth the facts and show how the law of the land would take the criminal(s) into task!! YES, if this horrific incident would have not happened, US would have lost the chance of adding spice to its operations.



Sattva, Rajo and Tamas gunas are inherent qualities of human species. It's in build. Humans have not invented it on their own to utilize them as and when needed.


Sattvik guna is expected to be predominantly influencing humans across the globe, irrespective of man made caste and religion.

And to work towards attaining such Sattvik Guna, humans need certain practices to discipline themselves.


The focus here is not to advertise any group of humans BUT to advertise the significance of having Sattvik guna predominantly among all the humans of this mundane life and the factors that can help strengthening such tendencies.


Let us think broadly for the overall betterment of human society across the Glob, rather being personally happy to experience spicy world around us that has hell lots of pains and suffering for many fellow humans.

Let us not be happy that, crime against women, crime against children, crime against nation, crime against poor, crime against business competitors, hatred-rivalry-murder, suicide, international wars, civil wars etc..etc, involving pains and sufferings to our fellow human beings are adding spice to our life.

Let us not just be happy with the fact that we our self are good and harmless person and there are many such people in the world AND that, existence of other undesirable tendencies among other fellow humans are helping us to see the different colors of this world, making our life spicy, every day in and day out.


I know expecting only goody goody things in this world would be a JOKE!! But, just because this world can not be changed for the better, IMHO, expecting and enjoying spicy world of crime and suffering with lots of thrill and suspense like how we expect and enjoy in thriller movies is certainly not my cup of tea.

 

[renuka]

There is no porn in our dharma. What is the samskrit or tamil word for it?

Dear Sarang ji,

What is so hard to coin a word?

There is no word for lap top, internet,broadband too in ancient Sanskrit but now we find new words being coined for these too.

BTW you seem to have forgotten that Vatsyayana Sutra is more imaginative than screenplay of any movie so far!

BTW it is not too hard to coin a word in Sanskrit.

The word Pornography is made up of 2 words >

Pornea a greek word meaning the act of union and graphy meaning a display in either tru a painting,sculpture,photograph or through movie/films.


So we can look for similar Sanskrit meaning words if we want too.

Maithunapradarshanam.


Grammar of the word:

It will be a Shastitatpurusha Samasa.

Vigravakyam(break down of the Samasa) would be:

Maithunasya Pradarshanam = Maithunapradarshanam.

Meaning: The display of union.

Maithuna = Union
Pradarshanam= Display

So Sarang Ji...over to you now..I am not that good in Tamil..so you coin the Tamil word!LOL

 

[sarang]

maitunapradarshanam or mituna darshanam is not the same as porn. Kajuraho sculptures were never called porn before the prudes saw it. You are missing the spirit by word to word translation. Disturbing the maithuna of animals and birds is considered sin. Anyway it was not a crime and no one was put behind bars for doing or seeing.

Dear Sarang ji,

What is so hard to coin a word?

There is no word for lap top, internet,broadband too in ancient Sanskrit but now we find new words being coined for these too.

BTW you seem to have forgotten that Vatsyayana Sutra is more imaginative than screenplay of any movie so far!

BTW it is not too hard to coin a word in Sanskrit.

The word Pornography is made up of 2 words >

Pornea a greek word meaning the act of union and graphy meaning a display in either tru a painting,sculpture,photograph or through movie/films.


So we can look for similar Sanskrit meaning words if we want too.

Maithunapradarshanam.


Grammar of the word:

It will be a Shastitatpurusha Samasa.

Vigravakyam(break down of the Samasa) would be:

Maithunasya Pradarshanam = Maithunapradarshanam.

Meaning: The display of union.

Maithuna = Union
Pradarshanam= Display

So Sarang Ji...over to you now..I am not that good in Tamil..so you coin the Tamil word!LOL

 

[sangom]

There is no porn in our dharma. What is the samskrit or tamil word for it?

The porn is perhaps not in "our dharma"; it will depend on how one defines "dharma". But there is lots of porn in our scriptures—rAsaleela is one example and this has been treated in different styles and details in different texts - srimadbhagavatham, ashtapadee, etc.

Since video was invented very late, we have temple sculptures in 3-D granite, temple paintings and so on, for visuals also.

 

[renuka]

Dear Sarang ji,

Where is the Tamil word yaar?

I am still waiting.

 

[Brahin]

Dear Biswa for your just 3 line post you got whole mahabharat as a reply.

 

[suraju06]

Reference post #90 and 91:

I asked the resident sAtva gunamayi. He says he prefers to keep quite and watch the dalliance of the resident/AsthAna porn artists staging an impressive and elaborate soft-porn dance performance here in the forum. He is wondering at the range and hold that the rajo guna has over these artists, who are also learned people.

Cheers.

 

[suraju06]

The porn is perhaps not in "our dharma"; it will depend on how one defines "dharma". But there is lots of porn in our scriptures—rAsaleela is one example and this has been treated in different styles and details in different texts - srimadbhagavatham, ashtapadee, etc.

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தானும் அதுவாகப்பவித்துத்தானுந்தன்
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கல்லாதான் கற்ற கவி.

cheers.