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Why I Am Not A Hindu ?- Book Review

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all our body parts act together as one group and can reap the result...

not a distant shot right...
 
you mean a gang of robbers isn't sufficient?

of course the result may vary upon individual .. leave the result first - but the act is done collectively what?
 
all governments are collective act or karma - and they reap the result.

that's why you have rich and poor nations
 
Seshadri Subramaniam said:
An event of large geographical magnitude could possible consume both good athmas as well as bad athmas... interpolating this to mean that the very same group could have had performed same bad karmic deeds together as a group is mere imagination...
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there is no bad aathmas. only bad actions and good actions and its relevant experience....

when natural calamities come - it affects both good and bad people of a region.

vice versa

" nellukku iraitha neer aange vaikal vazhi nirkkum pullukkum posiumam
nallor oruvar ullarel avar porrttu ellorukkum paiyum mazhai" (auvaiyar)

anaga enga kuttham eruntha thiruthungo....

that's why the good actions should be reflected often...

karmathin padhai sukshumamanathu....

regards
 
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there is a conscious will inside programmed cell.

a group of people can exercise a conscious will and can do a karma what? Like building a TEMPLE or many good things as a team... common...
 
i used the term "bad athma" generically to mean individuals who have no karmic demerit... maybe a misnomer...

the gang of robbers example:

each individual performs in his individual capacity and takes decisions in that capacity alone - whether it be a group behaviour or otherwise... so, the act may be as a group, but the responsibility is individual...

government acts are raja dharma... if you delve deeper, then it is individual persons who act behind the seal, and hence it filters to only individual actions...

if a person performs an adharmic deed, which is karmic, either collectively or as an individual, then it adds to his individual karmic account... i gave the example of lottery win being shared by a group... the group enjoys the prize money as per the contribution ratio... and they spend it individually... it is not binding on them to enjoy the prize totally and together as a group... if they win a car, they sell it and distribute the proceeds among themselves... you cannot argue here that they can all drive the car together (it is good for argument's sake, but it does not happen practically)...

if i go to a movie, and enjoy it - my happiness is due to my perception and liking, and not dependent on the other...

it is only from the self, that the perception of both the self and the other arises.... and hence, karma is individual in nature...
 
i never negate the individual aspect.

there is definetly a thing called collective will, collective identity.....
 
malgova.mango said:
there is a conscious will inside programmed cell.

a group of people can exercise a conscious will and can do a karma what? Like building a TEMPLE or many good things as a team... common...
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do you mean to say that even a cut off hand can perform on its own? all our body parts function due to the prana in our body... this prana is the athma, and all our functions are due to this prana alone...

a group of people can exercise a conscious will and can do a karma what? Like building a TEMPLE or many good things as a team... common...
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here you are talking about the action being done as a group, not the karmic merit...

i am saying that actions, whether done as a group or as an individual, the resulting karma is always to an individual self... it does not act as a group...
 
Seshadri Subramaniam said:
war is yuddham... if it is dharmic, it is dharma yuddham and adharma yuddham otherwise... it cannot and will not be group karma... just so the actions are performed as a group does not mean that karma also devolves collectively...
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One's war is always considered dharmic to oneself.. and the other is always considered adharmic. For both groups, their own side is the dharmic one.

There is nothing called a dharmic war. war is only for self-protection or self-propagation -- both are for self-ish reasons.

Muhammad led his men to defend the law of dharmic islam (dharmic = righteous). To them fighting for islam is dharmic, to us fighting for our own dharma is dharmic. There are always 2 dharmas playing their role on world's stage before both will be gone.
 
if you accept collective will and action.. then collective result should not be a far-fetched idea.

I'd suggest a reading on "Nala charitram" for those who want to know the workings of Karma
 
palindrome said:
One's war is always considered dharmic to oneself.. and the other is always considered adharmic. For both groups, their own side is the dharmic one.

There is nothing called a dharmic war. war is only for self-protection or self-propagation -- both are for self-ish reasons.

Muhammad led his men to defend the law of dharmic islam (dharmic = righteous). To them fighting for islam is dharmic, to us fighting for our own dharma is dharmic. There are always 2 dharmas playing their role on world's stage before both will be gone.
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i disagree... the mahabharatha itself is a classic example... duryodhana refused to give even one village (he went on to say that he cannot spare land equal to the tip of a needle) to the pandavas... and that is adharmic...

the resulting war is a dharmic war...

mahmud's islamic war was an invasion... an invasion is different from defence... is invasion itself is their dharma? if yes, it simply is a misconception....

to understand this, one must know the purport of dharma - "that which sustains all beings"
 
pali refers to kali yuga.. you are in previous yuga.

she says dharma is not found in this yuga
 
mango, have you heard the concept of karma-yogam... simply being detached to the results of one's actions? so, if one is a karma yogi and is participating in a team event, the results do not affect him... though it may affect the others... got it now?
 
nobody denies individual karma.

yeah! i get from where you are coming...

you missed the subtlety , that's why I referred nala charitram...

as a forest dweller, he can make a peaceful living like "agugan ... of nala charitram"
but he chose a violent life-style..... this is his own personal decision , though his riches are shared by his family.. when asked to share the effect of his papa.. they refused .. they got the right to refuse... because it is not their decision...

that's why karmam romba sukshumamanathu
 
malgova.mango said:
nobody denies individual karma.

yeah! i get from where you are coming...

you missed the subtlety , that's why I referred nala charitram...

as a forest dweller, he can make a peaceful living like "agugan ... of nala charitram"
but he chose a violent life-style..... this is his own personal decision , though his riches are shared by his family.. when asked to share the effect of his papa.. they refused .. they got the right to refuse... because it is not their decision...

that's why karmam romba sukshumamanathu
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now you are with me!

as an individual, we all have the right to action, to decide or not... and whether we do it as a group or not, it is OUR DECISION that matters...

this is the essence of karma...

thanks, i would be simply redundant if i were to drag this anymore...
 
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